Monday, July 18, 2011

Muslims Execute 16 Pakistani Police Officers

***WARNING*** EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIDEO
On June 1, the Taliban crossed the border from Afghanistan and raided the Shaltalu area of the district of Dir in northwestern Pakistan. This video shows the execution of more than a dozen Pakistani policemen who were captured during the fighting. The Taliban leader gives a speech prior to executing the Pakistani men:

"These are the enemies of Islam who originated from Pakistan. They are the Pakistani police, soldiers and their supporters who recently lined up six kids in Swat and shot them execution style. These Pakistanis are now our captive and we will avenge the death of the children by doing the same to them."


***UPDATE*** GreekAsianPanda is having an incredibly difficult time understanding how this video is at all relevant to this blog. Muslims executing Muslims for allegedly killing Muslim children apparently has nothing to do with Muslims, so the video is completely irrelevant to anyone's concerns about violence in the Muslim world. GAP has interpreted the mere fact that I posted the video as somehow meaning that I support police officers who kill children and demand that such officers be exempt from punishment. I've tried to explain things, but maybe someone else would have better luck. (Note: I seriously doubt that these police officers killed children. The Taliban throws charges at anyone they kill.)

24 comments:

GreekAsianPanda said...

I think I'm missing something.

Are you saying that the people who killed six children *shouldn't* be punished? Why do you object to them being executed?

Gregor Alfonsin C. Pondoyo said...

this is crazy, reality is indeed stranger than fiction...

David Wood said...

GAP said: "I think I'm missing something. Are you saying that the people who killed six children *shouldn't* be punished? Why do you object to them being executed?"

Yes, GAP. You got me. When I typed "***WARNING*** EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIDEO," I really meant "I approve of killing children. It's okay to kill children!"

Once again, GAP dazzles me with her ability to read into anything I post.

Strange. If a Muslim slaughters people while quoting the Qur'an, GAP will respond, "How can you say that this violence had anything to do with his beliefs?"

But if I post a video, WITHOUT ANY COMMENT WHATSOEVER (save the warning that the video is graphic), GAP somehow interprets my post as defending alleged actions of the police officers (which, BTW, I seriously doubt had anything to do with these police officers. When the Taliban kills an American soldier, they say it's because American soldiers rape Muslim women. They always say it's because of some crime, when they obviously don't have the people who committed the crime.).

Wow. I saw the video on CNN, so I posted the video. I wonder if GAP is going to contact CNN to ask them why they support killing children.

I said this was getting old months ago, GAP. You are ready to defend Islam to the death, and you will give the benefit of the doubt to the most heinous Muslim butcher. Yet you repeatedly condemn and misinterpret anyone who criticizes Islam in any way.

Why the bias? Why the double standards? Why the desire to condemn any random news story I post?

You got one thing right in your comment though. You said "I think I'm missing something." You seem to miss quite a bit, regardless of the post.

taomeano said...

This is unbelievable. These are barbarians indeed. I hope and pray that they are brought to justice by the Pakistani government. I will be praying for the families of these police officers.

Dany M. [Writter] said...

When Muslims kill each other,

the killer always think he is going to paradise while the murdered ones are going to hell.

It's like they play the role of muhammad and play allah at the same time, they come from the seeds of Satan and not Ishmael !!!

valentin said...

Their spiritual father Satan was also a murderer from the beginning. This was a very graphic video, I didn't heed the warning:(

Bill Onesty said...

What do you expect from people who follow a pervert? Mohammed was a violent, child molesting, sick bastard. If you follow him, that is what you will become. He was a liar, so all followers of Mohammed are liars too.

I am sick of the politeness the west has towards Muslims. We need to call them to account and stop arguing with them.

simple_truth said...

Neither did I watch the video; nor do I like to see such things. I get the point without watching.

It is suspect in my mind the claim made by the Taliban about the children being killed. Even if this was true, who gave them the right to take matters into their own hands? As one poster said, it is like taking matters into their own hands and playing the role of God. That is something that our we should let their judicial system work out instead.

David Wood said...

Bill Onesty said: "He was a liar, so all followers of Mohammed are liars too."

It doesn't follow from "Muhammad was a liar" (which is a true statement) that "All Muslims are liars."

That would be like saying, "Since Jesus sacrificed himself for others, all Christians sacrifice themselves for others."

People don't always follow the example of their leaders.

TAREK said...

Dear Dr. David, just want to thank you for all the job you have been doing. Regarding this video we really need to pray for the truth to be know. Muslims will perish because of lack of knowledge. Yaweh gave life so he has the right to take it, and nobody else has that right. My prayer goes for the family of this outrageous act. MAY OUR LORD JESUS COMFORT the families of the victims. AMEN.

GreekAsianPanda said...

"Strange. If a Muslim slaughters people while quoting the Qur'an, GAP will respond, 'How can you say that this violence had anything to do with his beliefs?'"

I've never done this, so I have no idea what you're talking about. The only incident I can imagine that you're thinking of is when I commented about the stoning of Katya Koren, pointing out that reports differ on whether the killer actually said anything about Sharia and whatnot, which you took to mean that I think that even if someone is screaming "Allahu'akbar" it's still not in the name of Islam. I know when something is done in the name of religion, David, I'm just more cautious than you when it comes to determining a motivation.

"But if I post a video, WITHOUT ANY COMMENT WHATSOEVER (save the warning that the video is graphic), GAP somehow interprets my post as defending alleged actions of the police officers"

Well, since you posted it on your blog, which is meant to expose evils in the Islamic world (hence the title "Answering Muslims"), that implies that you think it was bad for the officers to be executed. Why would you post it otherwise? I wasn't saying you were defending the actions of the police officers who killed the children.

"(which, BTW, I seriously doubt had anything to do with these police officers. When the Taliban kills an American soldier, they say it's because American soldiers rape Muslim women. They always say it's because of some crime, when they obviously don't have the people who committed the crime.)."

I kind of doubt it, too, but we don't know for sure.

"Wow. I saw the video on CNN, so I posted the video. I wonder if GAP is going to contact CNN to ask them why they support killing children."

CNN is a news agency, not a blog with the purpose of exposing evils in the Islamic world. When they post it, it's because they consider it news. When you post it, it means you think it's bad and is worth "exposing."

"I said this was getting old months ago, GAP. You are ready to defend Islam to the death, and you will give the benefit of the doubt to the most heinous Muslim butcher. Yet you repeatedly condemn and misinterpret anyone who criticizes Islam in any way."

No, I just disagree with you on some things, and you don't like it, apparently.

mkvine said...

GAP,

I was very disturbed by your comment. Your "logic" is quite bone chilling.

Bartimaeus said...

Praise God we serve a Gow will render perfect justice to those who commited this crime.

Ans for GAP is this type of trial you would want if you were the accused or would want a trial by a jury of your peers?

David Wood said...

GAP said: "I know when something is done in the name of religion, David, I'm just more cautious than you when it comes to determining a motivation."

That's exactly my point. You're OVERLY cautious when something is done in the name of Islam, but you're happy to accuse Christians of virtually anything (caution gets thrown to the wind). And that's what I've asked you repeatedly. Why do Muslims get the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, while Christians are roundly condemned, based on your misinterpretations and distortions?

GAP said: "Well, since you posted it on your blog, which is meant to expose evils in the Islamic world (hence the title "Answering Muslims"), that implies that you think it was bad for the officers to be executed. Why would you post it otherwise? I wasn't saying you were defending the actions of the police officers who killed the children."

So you interpret "Answering Muslims" as "Won't Post Anything that Isn't an Attack on Islam"? I'm curious, why didn't you complain when I posted my debate with the atheist John Loftus? It had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. I posted it simply because I thought people my want to watch it. I didn't know there was some unwritten rule that doesn't allow anything other than attacks against Islam. Why didn't you respond, "David, I don't see how your debate with an atheist refutes Islam"?

THIS IS A BLOG, GAP. I'LL POST WHATEVER I FEEL LIKE POSTING. I'VE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE, AND YET YOU KEEP READING INTO MY POSTS. IT'S GETTING ANNOYING, ON PAR WITH OSAMA ABDULLAH.

But since you're having such a difficult time figuring out why anyone would ever post such a video as having something to do with Islam, let's go through the situation briefly.

There are two possibilities here. Either the police officers in the video slaughtered children, or they didn't. If they did, then Muslim police officers are slaughtering children in Muslim countries, which would mean that we should be concerned. If they didn't kill children, then the Taliban are rounding people up and executing them on false charges, which would mean that we should be concerned. Either way, it's something to be concerned about, so it's important to post. Yet you freak out whenever I post news from the Muslim world.

GAP said: "I kind of doubt it, too, but we don't know for sure."

That's why I simply posted the video, without comment. BTW, is absolute certainty your standard for reporting?

GAP said: "CNN is a news agency, not a blog with the purpose of exposing evils in the Islamic world. When they post it, it's because they consider it news. When you post it, it means you think it's bad and is worth "exposing.""

I like how you keep telling me what I can and cannot post on my blog, interpreting everything as an attack against Islam, when I've told you in the past that I post news from the Muslim world. "David, you must not post anything unless it is a direct attack on the teachings of Islam." I'm getting very, very tired of this, GAP.

GAP said: "No, I just disagree with you on some things, and you don't like it, apparently."

Sheer distortion. I don't like inconsistency, double standards, etc. I have no problems with disagreement. I disagree with everyone on this blog on various issues. But you're different. You misinterpret everything I post, while turning a blind eye towards all things Islamic. You tell me I can't post news from the Muslim world, which is absolutely absurd. You waste everyone's time by sending us on meaningless, ridiculous tangents. And you never seem to get the point. Do you really think it makes sense to complain that I've posted a video showing Muslims executing other Muslims for supposedly killing Muslim children??? Does it make sense to complain about such things in GAP world?

Jabari said...

David said in response to someone else:

Bill Onesty said: "He was a liar, so all followers of Mohammed are liars too."

It doesn't follow from "Muhammad was a liar" (which is a true statement) that "All Muslims are liars."

That would be like saying, "Since Jesus sacrificed himself for others, all Christians sacrifice themselves for others."

People don't always follow the example of their leaders.

My response:

I pray that I, David and all other true Christians will strive by the power of the Holy Spirit to sacrifice ourselves for others. If we fail, we have the grace of the King of Kings to rely upon. However, we need to be working on reaching that goal. It could be what will keep the West from being Islamized.

betwixt said...

GAP:
You disagree with the violent teachings of Islam. That is clear. You also have sympathy for the innocent Muslims. Okay. (By innocent Muslims, I mean the truly peaceful and sincere Muslims who seek only to please and serve their good and merciful god.) It is only right that we should be aware of them and be sensitive to them. On that point, I agree with you (assuming that this is the reason why you disagree with some of David's posts about the goings on in the Muslim world.)

However, I also wonder what it is that makes you suspicious of David's intentions with some of his posts. Perhaps you need to step back and reassess your understanding about David, his mission, and his works through Acts 17 and Answering Muslims. There is an overall context to David's posts, which, to me, does not seek to blame Islam for every sinful act committed by Muslims.

Jabari said...

Betwixt:
I couldn't have said it any better myself. David isn't try to blame Islam for everything Muslims do.

Truth said...

DANY M[WRITER] SAID - "they come from the seeds of Satan and not Ishmael"

ohh........... thank you so much Dany.......... thanks a lot to tell the truth. God bless you.

ohh.........I just love it. I just love this comment. Thank u so......... much.

Yusuf Alamo said...

In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful.

My natural question is: Why would those Muslim Police Officers kill children? Was it an accident?

{The Noble Qur'an [4:92] - Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.}

If (in fact) those Muslim Police officers intentionally killed Muslim children, then those Muslim officers left the fold of Islam.

{The Noble Qur'an [4:93] - If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.}

Allah knows best.

minoria said...

Hello GAP

I think your comments are ok,they give a different perspective.I dont agree with details or maybe I dont understand the details.

I see you are against Islam,the ideology.We all are,not against every detail in the ideology but against the negative ones.

Hello Jabar:

In a comment section in avraidire.com I recommended your blog about the persecution of Christians.I said they could translate it into French using Google Traduction.

Thank goodness the language barrier can be overcome.

simple_truth said...

Yusuf Alamo said...

"My natural question is: Why would those Muslim Police Officers kill children? Was it an accident?"

Should you trust that the Taliban's assertion is true before we critique? Muslims have a knack for blaming things on those that oppose them or those that they have conflicts with. Do you expect the Taliban to be truthful? Just how much trust do you have in what they say?

"{The Noble Qur'an [4:92] - Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.}"

This ayat has several exceptions; so; you should clarify them when you type. Here are the three main ones as cited by ibn Kathir:

"The blood of a Muslim who testifies that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, is sacred, except in three instances. They are:

• life for life,
• the married adulterer,
• and whoever reverts from the religion and abandons the Jama`ah (community of the faithful believers).

When one commits any of these three offenses, it is not up to ordinary citizens to kill him or her, because this is the responsibility of the Muslim Leader or his deputy.

"If (in fact) those Muslim Police officers intentionally killed Muslim children, then those Muslim officers left the fold of Islam."

Therefore, it is justified that the Taliban can kill them? Ibn Kathir states that only a Muslim leader or deputy can set the penalty for those policemen, if what the Taliban accuses is actually true. The Taliban has no authority to do anything to them.

"{The Noble Qur'an [4:93] - If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.}"

There are exceptions to this as well. It is still possible that that Muslim could repent and Allah could count any good deeds that he had done as a partial compensation (at least) for his sin. The Muslim may go to hell, but that does not mean that Allah will keep him there permanently.

mkvine said...

Yusuf,

Thanks for clearing that up bro! Now that you quoted the Quran, I can see Islam in a more peaceful light. (sarcasm)

Letitia (The Damsel) said...

Dear GreekAsianPanda,
//I think I'm missing something.

Are you saying that the people who killed six children *shouldn't* be punished? Why do you object to them being executed?//

As you can see, the only one that has suggested such a thing is you.

Sharia sanctions revenge. What these men did in what otherwise would be illegally crossing borders, kidnapping, and murder, is allowed in Islam.

The Bible teaches, "Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”" (Rom. 12:19)

Joe Bradley said...

How disingenuous and hypocritical of the Taliban to execute, let alone complain, of the actions of child killers whether real or imagined.

They are quite the baby killers themselves. [More on this story here]