Monday, July 18, 2011

Bottoms Up To Shariah

The following video is all the more poignant in light of David's last post.

12 comments:

Osama Abdallah said...

I am obviously a Muslim. I know that many many Muslims are into CHEAP scoring. This is quite dangerous and harmful to both Islam and humanity. And more importantly, it is against the Commands of Allah Almighty, when the Almighty Said:

[002:042] And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth WHEN YOU KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW(what it is).

[002:140] Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than God? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from God? but God is not unmindful of what ye do!


There are many Noble Verses that I could provide. But these should suffice.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Ali. seen through the veil of deceit said...

the fact that this video is shown is dangerous or the islamic teachings which approves of falsehood at fault? I am sure Osama Abdallah is sincere in his beliefs, but they are very obviously not what islam teaches; witness the video. The sly leer on the imam's face says a lot.

simple_truth said...

A few comments of mine intertwined with what you said, Osama Abdallah.

"I am obviously a Muslim. I know that many many Muslims are into CHEAP scoring. This is quite dangerous and harmful to both Islam and humanity."

I can agree that it is dangerous, but what about the many other things that are not disclosed to potential converts such as the apostasy laws that allow one to be killed if one does renounce Islam and doesn't change their minds? In my view, omission of information is just as bad as trickery.

"And more importantly, it is against the Commands of Allah Almighty, when the Almighty Said:

[002:042] And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth WHEN YOU KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW(what it is)."

I am going to nit pick here. This verse is referring to Jews who were supposedly hiding the truth of their books as part of their defiance of accepting Mohammad and Islam. I don't think that you should try to apply this to your context.

"[002:140] Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than God? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from God? but God is not unmindful of what ye do!"

This is more along the lines of the first one. It doesn't address what is expected of Muslims.

"There are many Noble Verses that I could provide. But these should suffice."

Perhaps you should give us some more pertinent ones.

Tizita said...

I love sign language, and can sign it fluently (even tho im not deaf).

The only thing i dont like abt the the Arabic translation is the fact that the signs for God and allah are the same. Uggg!

That gets on my nerve! every time! i seem him signing allah......they should get their own sign for allah and not use the western sign for it!!!

But then again its islam, they can never invent their own stuff!

The positive side is even the deaf people are given the opportunity to be exposed to the evil of islam, something good always comes from evil. So the deaf even have a chance to see this evil and be horrified by it and hopefully come to Christ! So keep on interpreting they deserve a fair chance also :)

Anthony Rogers said...

@Osama

Yes, many Muslims are into cheap scoring, plotting, scheming, deceiving, anything in order to trick a kaffir out of their "unbelief" and into the wonderful world of "belief", where a person can stop doing the terrible things they did before and start plotting, scheming, deceiving, and tricking the dirty kaffir, which is noble in the eyes of Muhammad's Allah. Such Muslims believe that Muhammad was actually predicted in the Law and the Gospel and Jews and Christians are guilty of knowing the truth but hiding it from themselves and others. Given this, many Muslims believe that the People of the Book can, in the main, be brought to Islam by any means necessary, including through trickery - just like killing is not allowed among Muslims but is permissible and even obligatory when it comes to pagans or People of the Book who don't accept Dhimmi status.

You know as well as I do that no Muslim of any competence in the Islamic sources has the slightest difficulty navigating around such passages of the Qur'an as you mentioned and finding much to legitimize "cheap scoring".

In fact, although I am not a Muslim, I have seen Muslims imitate the "beautiful pattern of conduct" and think I could do a good job roll playing. Tell me how I do:

The passages you cited are directed at the People of the Book. These passages tell the People of the Book not to conceal the truth, and the "truth" they are told not to conceal is the truth of Islam which the Qur'an errantly (deceptively?) says can be found in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures. In other words, these passages have nothing to do with whether or not Allah himself is given to trickery, or whether Muhammad himself ever engaged in chicanery, or whether he left ample excuse and encouragement to his companions and followers throughout the generations to engage in deception and other disreputable means in order to get THOSE who (i.e. the People of the Book) are commanded not to conceal the truth (of the coming of Muhammad, etc.) as they have it in their Scriptures.

Even if these passages were directed at Muslims and told THEM not to conceal the truth, it is still a far cry from proving that Muslims are told not to conceal the truth or to not use deceptive means of getting people into it. After all, Muslims are also told not to kill. But we also know this command does not apply to pagans who are under the ban or People of the Book who refuse to accept Dhimmi status, pay the Jizya, and feel themselves subdued and humiliated.

You simply can't use your Qur'an the way you do and expect all of us to fall for such "cheap tricks", which, as I have it on an authority you would accept, "many many Muslims" are into.

TAREK said...

Thanks Rogers very good response to Osama. Please Osama A. make me favour can you explain to me how muhammad died and where do you find his death in the quran and hadiths (sahih Al-Bukhari). Once you do this sincerely you will stop Tricks, think if you are on the right path or not and also think of your salvation after life on earth. Be Blessed

ogunitracy said...

Osama Abdallah, Lying is clearly allowed in Islam for good purposes.

Qur'an Qur'an (3:28)
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

Bukhari (49:857)
Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:
That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'"

But after all said and done, a lie is a lie.

I do wonder if you read the Qur'an in arabic. Maybe you can tell me the meaning of "Makr". It's a word used to describe Allah (hint: it's not a nice word).

The_Israelite said...

LOL.. How did this idiot keep his job after blatantly showing muslim viewers its ok to decieve for the cause of islam! LOL. This man is offically the biggest threat to islam. But then again maybe hes working for the jews since they are beind everything lol. (sarcastic joke) If he get canned from his job im sure hes definitely got a career in comedy.

Even Osama Abdallah feels the need to denounce this guys verbal diarrhoea . lol

Bartimaeus said...

I will Drink to that. Cheers.

Honestly Muslims are the best ones fro exposing Islam.

Death is the penalty for apostacy in in Islam

Osama Abdallah said...

Ok, in order for me to answer you, I need a deal with the owner of this site, David Wood, to allow all of my posts to be posted on any and all of the threads I choose to post to. If he wants to limit the number of posts per day or per thread to keep the peace between the readers and organization, then that's fine! In fact, I encourage this. But this selective allowance of my posts is deceiving.

So, do we have a deal David?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

TAREK said...

Mr. Osama, I do not think you need to write a long articles in order to answer me and beside that Dr. David is too big(not proud please do not get me wrong) and really busy to be having this type of deals with you please. Just answer me with verses from the quran and Hadith (volume, book and number). Please Mr. Osama be clear and get to the point. Thank you in advance. I'm sure Dr. David will not hesitate publishing any of your article as long as you say the truth and not using taqquyya. If you use the same old tricks then ........"pas la pein".
Dr. David thank you for publishing my view.

simple_truth said...

"Osama Abdallah said...

Ok, in order for me to answer you, I need a deal with the owner of this site, David Wood, to allow all of my posts to be posted on any and all of the threads I choose to post to. If he wants to limit the number of posts per day or per thread to keep the peace between the readers and organization, then that's fine! In fact, I encourage this. But this selective allowance of my posts is deceiving.

So, do we have a deal David?

Osama Abdallah"

Osama, I do feel as TAREK does. You don't need to make a very long speech like a newspaper in order to answer us. You can be concise and make your points in small spaces. If you are concerned with quoting long passages from your religious scriptures, then perhaps you can give the relevant parts and make references to the entire reference.

What I fear from you is that you are trying to make an issue with posting instead of just trying to answer the questions. Right now, you have wasted one post on asking the same question of David when you could have started your rebuttal. Do you see what I mean?

I will reiterate that those two examples you gave are matters with Jews and had nothing to do with what the subject is about. List other passages that do show that Muslims can't do as the video supports. Can we count on you to get to the point and start posting?