Wednesday, June 19, 2013

How Isaiah 53 Proves That Muhammad Was A False Prophet Pt. 1

The following article was written by Sam Shamoun and is the first in a series of articles replying to Shabir Ally that will appear here and eventually on the Answering Islam website (Lord willing).


Noted Muslim dawagandist Paul Williams posted a short clip from another renowned taqiyyist Shabir Ally who claimed that Isaiah 53 is really about Israel, not about a single individual. Ally further contended that the Gospel writers took this prophecy and wrote a narrative around it in order to make it seem that Jesus fulfilled this prediction of the Servant who suffers vicariously for the sins of others in order to make atonement for them (IsIsaiah 53 ‘The Suffering Servant’ a prophecy about Jesus? DrShabir answers).

Ally isn’t saying anything new here, but is simply repeating and rehashing the same worn out objections and criticisms of liberal critics of the Holy Bible, as well as Jewish anti-missionaries whose entire mission in life is to convince their fellow Jews that they must reject Jesus as a false Messiah.

Now before we delve into our response it is vitally important that we actually quote the entire context of this amazing and supernatural prediction of the vicarious sufferings and exaltation of the Messiah, starting with Isaiah 52:

13 Behold, My servant will prosper,
He will be high and lifted up and greatly exalted.
14 Just as many were astonished at you, My people,
So His appearance was marred more than any man
And His form more than the sons of men.
15 Thus He will sprinkle many nations,
Kings will shut their mouths on account of Him;
For what had not been told them they will see,
And what they had not heard they will understand.
53 Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed
All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him
He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth
By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due
His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth
10 But the Lord was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand.
11 As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities
12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors

Tragically, in their zeal to attack the Christian faith and the inspired Scriptures of God, these taqiyyists fail to see how the arguments and presuppositions of the Jewish anti-missionaries and liberal scholars end up proving that Muhammad was a false prophet (which he was for a variety of reasons) and that the Quran is a book of deception (which it actually is). It further illustrates their inability to critically analyze arguments and shows that they lack the prowess to reason and think logically. This explains why these dawagandists are constantly raising objections which can and have been used against them to prove that their own religious sources fail the very tests and objections leveled against the Holy Bible and the Christian faith.

Take, for instance, the claim that Isaiah 52:13-53:12 is actually about the nation of Israel or, as some would argue, the righteous remnant of Israel who suffer vicariously for the sins of their countrymen, as well as the Gentiles, in order to bring about the salvation of all the nations. Don’t these taqiyyists see that this particular interpretation is at odds with their religious beliefs, since even this view basically affirms that the Hebrew Bible actually teaches that God accepts the sufferings of the righteous as atonement for the sins committed by others?

Don’t they also realize that this proves that tauhid or Islamic monotheism is wrong when it says that Allah will not share his exalted status and rule over creation with anyone?

Do you not know that Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and that besides Allah you have no guardian or helper? S. 2:107 Shakir

And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and Allah has power over all things. S. 3:189 Hilali-Khan

And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him). S. 17:111 Shakir

However, in clear contradiction of these statements, Isaiah prophesied that God would raise up his Servant to share in his exalted reign and glory:

Behold, My servant will prosper, He will be high and lifted up and greatly exalted (yarum wa'nissa wa'gabah).” Isaiah 52:13

Here, Isaiah uses the same words which he employs elsewhere in reference to Yahweh’s exalted position and throne from which he reigns over the nations:

But the Lord of hosts will be exalted (wayyigbah) in judgment, And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness.” Isaiah 5:16

“In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted (ram wa'nissa), with the train of His robe filling the temple.” Isaiah 6:1

The Lord is exalted, for He dwells on high (marom); He has filled Zion with justice and righteousness…Now I will arise,’ says the Lord, ‘Now I will be exalted (‘eromam), now I will be lifted up (‘ennase).’” Isaiah 33:5, 10

“For thus says the high and exalted One (ram wa’nissa) Who lives forever, whose name is Holy, I dwell on a high (marom) and holy place, And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit In order to revive the spirit of the lowly And to revive the heart of the contrite.” Isaiah 57:15

Isaiah even says that Yahweh will humble all those who exalt themselves since he alone is to be exalted:

“The proud look of man will be abased And the loftiness (rum) of man will be humbled, And the Lord ALONE will be exalted in that day. For the Lord of hosts will have a day of reckoning Against everyone who is proud and lofty (wa’ram) And against everyone who is lifted up (nissa), That he may be abased. And it will be against all the cedars of Lebanon that are lofty and lifted up (ha'ramim wa'hannissa'im), Against all the oaks of Bashan, Against all the lofty (ha'ramim) mountains, Against all the hills that are lifted up (hannissa'ot), Against every high (gaboha) tower, Against every fortified wall, Against all the ships of Tarshish And against all the beautiful craft. The pride of man will be humbled And the loftiness (rum) of men will be abased; And the Lord ALONE will be exalted in that day,” Isaiah 2:11-17

Thus, according to Isaiah’s prophecy the Servant, which taqiyyists like Ally and Williams want us to believe is Israel, reigns with Yahweh on Yahweh’s glorious throne, thereby sharing in his sovereignty over creation, something which Islam classifies as the unpardonable sin of shirk (cf. Q. 2:22; 4:48, 116; 6:83-88; 39:65).

And can’t these dawagandists see that even this interpretation necessarily includes Jesus? After all, isn’t Jesus an Israelite from the tribe of Judah, a physical descendant of Abraham and David?

“The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:” Matthew 1:1

Then they came to Jericho. And as He was leaving Jericho with His disciples and a large crowd, a blind beggar named Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, was sitting by the road. When he heard that it was Jesus the Nazarene, he began to cry out and say, ‘Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me! Many were sternly telling him to be quiet, but he kept crying out all the more, ‘Son of David, have mercy on me!” Mark 10:46-48

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, ‘Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.’ But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.’” Luke 1:26-33

Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.” Acts 2:29-33

concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,” Romans 1:3-4

who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.” Romans 9:4-5

Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel,” 2 Timothy 2:8

For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.” Hebrews 7:14

and one of the elders said to me, ‘Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals.’” Revelation 5:5

I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.” Revelation 22:16

And don’t both the Holy Bible and the Quran testify that Christ is absolutely righteous and pure?

And he was preaching, and saying, ‘After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals. I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.’ In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him; and a voice came out of the heavens: ‘You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.’Just then there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, saying, ‘What business do we have with each other, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!” Mark 1:7-11, 23-24

He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.” John 7:18

And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me?” John 8:29, 46

But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and asked to have a murderer given to you. You killed the source of life, whom God raised from the dead; we are witnesses of this.” Acts 3:14-15 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;” Acts 7:52

And he said, ‘The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.” Acts 22:14

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” 2 Corinthians 5:21

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15

The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.” Hebrews 7:23-28

how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Hebrews 9:14

knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.” 1 Peter 1:18-19

And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;” 1 John 3:3-7

"If thou fearest God ... He said, 'I am but a messenger come from thy Lord, to give thee a boy most pure." S. 19:19, Arberry

As such, wouldn’t this mean that Isaiah’s prophecy includes Jesus as well, seeing that he is an Israelite who is absolutely sinless?

To put this another way, if Isaiah 53 is a prophecy concerning the entire nation of Israel (as Ally and Williams claim), or a righteous remnant within it, suffering for the sins of others, then Christ must be included as part of Isaiah’s prediction seeing that he is the ideal Israelite, being the only One from among his countrymen to have ever lived a morally perfect life.

Since these gentlemen have demonstrated that they lack the capacity to think logically, I will try to help them to see how even their preferred interpretation actually ends up confirming the Christian understanding and explanation of Isaiah 53.

  1. Isaiah 53 announces that Israel, or a righteous remnant within it, will suffer vicariously and bear the sins of all the nations in order to procure their redemption and forgiveness.
  2. The Lord Jesus Christ was/is a righteous Israelite who is absolutely holy and morally perfect.
  3. Jesus is, therefore, necessarily included within Isaiah’s prophecy since he is an Israelite who offered his life as a vicarious sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.

No wonder the NT writers, in fact Jesus himself, alluded to,

For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” Mark 10:45 – cf. Matthew 20:28

The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, ‘Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him… For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.” Acts 3:13, 26

God exalted this man to His right hand as ruler and Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31 HCSB

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.” Hebrews 9:27-28

For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.” 1 Peter 2:21-25

Or directly quoted from this great prophecy to describe Christ’s atoning death:

For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.”” Luke 22:37

Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, ‘Do you understand what you are reading?’ And he said, ‘Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?’ And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:He was led as a sheep to slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He does not open His mouth. In humiliation His judgment was taken away; Who will relate His generation? For His life is removed from the earth.’ The eunuch answered Philip and said, ‘Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?’ Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, ‘Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ [And Philip said, ‘If you believe with all your heart, you may.’ And he answered and said, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.’] And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him.” Acts 8:30-38

Unlike Ally and Williams, these inspired spokespersons of the living God seem to have realized that if the Lord Jesus doesn’t qualify to fulfill Isaiah 53, then there can be no fulfillment of this majestic prophecy since no other Israelite has ever been, nor can ever be, as righteous and holy as Christ was (and still is).

Hence, what started out as a refutation of the Christian interpretation of Isaiah 53 ended up supporting the Christian view that this glorious prophecy necessarily includes, and was perfectly fulfilled in, the eternal Person of our blessed Lord and risen Savior, Jesus Christ since he is the Israelite par excellence, the true Israel that God intended the nation of Israel to be but never became.

So much for the deceptive and desperate polemics of Ally and his band of dawagandists.

We are not quite through yet, since the worst is still to come for these expert taqiyyists.


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Radical Moderate said...

Thats just brilliant. Its no wonder that Muslims are afraid to debate you.

Joe Daniels said...

Very well argued - I shall quote this to Christians of my ken who treat the Bible and Quran as equivalents. Thank you.

Samuel Green said...

Isaiah 53 is a great topic for us to have some debates on.

Gov Lee said...

Well written. Isaiah 53 speaks of no other but Jesus Christ. In fact, Ally has unconsciously underscored that.

TAREK said...

Dear Brother Sam Shamoun, It is great to read your articles which I have been reading and using them to clarify many points to muslims. I found many of them in answering islam. Brother Sam, my only concern is that muslims do not like to readand I am sure that Shabir Aly hasn't gone through this article especially that it is giving the contrary of what he has in his brain. I was watching on you tube one of the debate you had with him during which you were giving him a lot of paper and he asked to stop doing so. That alone tells me that he doesn't want to learn. On the other hand I am not asking you not to explain and give us in details all the relevant information needed for our own education. Again thank you so much for all you are doing. Please I would like to follow you on Paltalk if you do not mind. I wanted to call the show on ABN last week to thank you but was too late here in this part of Europe for me to make noise as GOD HAS JUST BLESSED US with a baby boy.
Warm greeting to Dr. David and his lovely family.
I have question Brethren; How can we get muslims to take a bit of time and really read not reciting?
My colleagues studied biology and some are muslims, when i came across the different stages of human formation in the womb I was perplex. So I keep asking myself how muslims medical Dr. combine the two different things, how do they reconcile the two teachings? Can anyone answer me please.

TAREK said...

And to Joe Daniels
Simple as good morning the HOLY BIBLE is different from the quran. 1-HOLY BIBLE but not HOLY QURAN
2-YAHWEH never "maybe" in the HOLY BIBLE but Allah said "maybe" many time in the quran; The list is long long. Please Daniels use this point as well to silence your muslim friends even though they hate to be.

Tom ta tum Tom said...

Wow. Just "WOW"! A blessed toure-de-force. Sam's knocking it outta the park and making it look as easy as batting practice!

LOL! ROFL! That the lies of Islam would evoke such powerful Christian Apologetics! Not only are the perversions of 'the enemy' being refuted in this amazing article but both Muslims AND Christians are being educated and UPLIFTED!! ROTFL! HALLELUJAH!

MAY GOD BE INSTEAD GLORIFIED by every attempt [made by those pitiful representatives of Allahu Ohynksmorr] to dilute the priceless worth of His Only Holy Written Word.



cheryl_maree said...

The koranic recipe is one dash truth- ten dashes lies = deception. Thanks Sam and keep Praying for Angela one day she will be a testimony for you and David!! Amen

cheryl_maree said...

Meant to say she will be a testimony for The Lord and you and David will be a part of that testimony!!

Osama Abdallah said...


I already challenged you to debate me on Isaiah 53 and the alleged crucifixion of Christ.

Want to take me on in this debate?


Anthony Rogers said...

Osama, it looks like road service was quick to scrape you off the road. Why don't you put up the debates that just took place and we will see if anyone wants to watch you debate ever again.

Anthony Rogers said...

And by "put up the debates" I mean the whole unedited version of what took place and how you behaved while losing so badly.

Osama Abdallah said...


If your organization wasn't scared of them, it would've put them up a long time ago. Like I promised you, by this weekend, insha'Allah, one or more debates will be up. All four debates will be up, insha'Allah. Don't worry. You lost miserably. Here is what you entirely messed up on from the Bible:

1- Your "criteria" that you used against Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, applied to the priesthood.

You missed the point that there were non-Israeli Prophets in the OT. So your criteria is self-refuted.

3- Your criteria doesn't apply to the Prophet of Arabia, who will come from the Lands of Kedar and Tema.

4- A reminder for you and everyone that Isaiah 41:1 and also 42:1 and many other verses that I quoted in the debate speak about THE WORLD HAVING A FRESH HEART AND START.

Like I said, if your organization saw you fit for a sound victory, they would've posted the debates a long time ago. I promise you that I'll have them up, but not before I seal your fate tight and expose your falsehood and mistakes.

And one last point: My videos are's production. You don't dictate to me how I produce them. I certainly will have a special production for that big buffoon, shampoo.

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

As to debating me, if I remember clearly, you have ACCEPTED my challenge when I stood with you and George. But quite frankly, I could careless if you turn back on your words.

Anthony Rogers said...

LOOOL! Osama you are so confident you are already admitting you are going to do some major damage control. As long as you don't cut anything out I don't care what comments you make flash across the screen.

I think it is fitting that you called Sam "Shampoo"; after all, he cleaned your clock. It also gives me the proud priviledge of being present the first time you were in the vicinity of any shampoo.

Anthony Rogers said...

Also, I don't recall agreeing to give you another shot at the tutle on Isaiah 53. We will see when the videos are up.

Anthony Rogers said...

Edit: tutle = title.

Sorry for the typo. I am using one hand on my cell phone. Don't worry, I am using my RIGHT hand.

Sam said...

I see that Osama, the oversized pussycat is talking tough behind a screen again, even though he got pulverized like the stone worshiper that he is. Osama and Nadir show some obvious signs of serious demonization, which is quite common among Muhammadans, since even their own wicked prophet was demonized. So it isn't surprising that his followers suffer the same fate he did.

Sam said...

Anthony, there isn't enough shampoo in the world to clean this Muhammadan of his filth and nastiness which he spews out with ease, which again is a sign of someone who is demonically oppressed, much like his wicked prophet was. Take his posts as an indication that even he sees how badly humiliated he was so he now has to go into damage control mode to save the little face he has left in the eyes of his fellow Muhammadans.

Osama Abdallah said...

"...It also gives me the proud priviledge of being present the first time you were in the vicinity of any shampoo."

Ha ha ha. Very funny comment, especially when it comes from a trailor trash who rolls with the pigs in the mud.

John 8:24 said...


If I were you, I would not trust Osama. He doesnt seem to be a trustworthy guy. He will certainly make cuts & edits. Why don't u just ask George to upload your video. End of story.

John 8:24 said...


Time and again you proved yourself to be nothing but full of hot air. No wonder no one takes you seriously anymore. If you indeed demolished Anthony in the debate why do you have to make any edits at all? Let the world see and decide.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama please put up your debate with Anthony first. And please don't voice over his part. You can do what ever you want with your end since I'm sure no one is interested in listing to it any way.


william t said...

hi, wondering if someone with some Arabic knowledge can help me. whilst speaking to a muslim and pointing out to him that the first person to commit shirk in the quran was allah: surah 7.11 "Almighty Allah also revealed: And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam'; and they prostrated, except Iblis, he refused to be of those who prostrate. thus Allah was the first person to join a partner in worship to himself. and thereby iblis(satan) was the first muslim as he refused to associate partners to worship other than allah. when I pointed this out to this muslim, he reverted to the Arabic language and said that the term prostrate is not an accurate translation. is this true?

Anthony Rogers said...

John, our unedited versions will be up soon. I am at the mercy of others since they have the copies. I was just challenging pussycat here to do the right thing first.

Osama Abdallah said...

Without my additions, and with the debate as is, I have around 70% of his arguments destroyed. But I am after proving Islam THOROUGHLY that is is the Divine Truth. That's why I am taking my time.

And like I said, if his organization saw that the debate was a sound victory by him, then they would've boasted about it and uploaded a long time ago.

Let me tell you this: From M2M's side, the debate will never be posted.

John 8:24 said...

william, if u go to and check the translations all the english translations use 'prostrate'. how come all the muslim translators get it wrong? i think your muslim friend is just trying to save his face by lying.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama just post the debates already lol

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama, save the drama for your Mama.

Our unedited version of the debates will be up soon.

If you think there is something you would like to answer that you did not get to, then the place to do it is in a follow up video or in an article. Creating a heavily edited version of the debate where both of us had the same time constraints gives you an unfair advantage and misrepresents what happened. In any event, the truth that you got pummeled will shine through clearly in our videos, and all your editing will only go to prove that you are Islam's worst debater who needs to do serious damage control to even look remotely like you have a case. The only thing you have going for you is that you aren't scared to get pwned in debate like so many of your co-religionists.

But since you admit that you need to and are going to edit the videos, all four of which show you losing your temper and the debate in view, you can be sure you will never get a chance to debate me again. You are a deceptive and untrustworthy liar like your false "god" and false "prophet".

Anthony Rogers said...

And to think, I was going to see if George would bring you down to California in September to school you on Isaiah 53. Unless you do the right thing, you can forget about it (and any future opportunity).

Deleting said...

so why haven't muslims tried to equate Muhammad with Isaiah 53?

They want to put him in a so-called 'dirty book of porn'...

Tom said...

@ Osama Abdallah:
Maybe my missing something here, "Is Isaiah listed in the koran as a Prophet"?

Osama Abdallah said...

"Osama, save the drama for your Mama."

See how low you are? You christians are the biggest filthy liars.

As to the debates, George probably had deleted the debate files because he was too embarrassed by you. He probably had them recycled already.

Osama Abdallah said...

"And to think, I was going to see if George would bring you down to California in September to school you on Isaiah 53. Unless you do the right thing, you can forget about it (and any future opportunity)."

Bro, let me tell you one thing. You'd be lucky if George agreed to bring YOU down to Cali in September, O Semper.

Osama Abdallah said...


The people were like whispering at me after our debate, apologizing to me for debating you :).

Foolster41 said...

Well, Osama is the guy who recently made the claim that Jesus said he didn't want to abolish the law, but that the NT is untrustworthy (Huh? How does that work?), and basicly blamed all the attacks including and since 9/11 on "zionists", and then he ran away when challanged with presenting facts to these claims. He's been challanged a number of times to explain how the NT, which sources from around 1 AD can be corrupted if it came hundreds of years BEFORE mohammad's time (zionist time travelers?). Also he's been asked what happened to the "real" NT that matches the teachings of Mohammad, that must have existed. Instead of explaining this seeming contradiction, he has run away. every. single. time. Many people have refuted Osama, many many times and he runs away instead of answering. If what he beleived was the truth, of course he wouldn't need to do that!

More questions can be found here:

Royal Son said...

Muslims don't even know if Isaiah was a true prophet of Allah or not, along with Jeremiah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Amos, Malachi, the list goes on and on.

Since they have deemed the Tanach to be corrupted, they are left between a rock and a hard place. Surah 4:136 says that Muslims must believe in ALL the messengers, and if they do not believe in them all then they have gone far astray.

Since Muslims are agnostic towards the above mentioned prophets as well as others not named in the Qur'an, they lack the necessary belief in them and according to surah 4:136 have thus gone far far astray.

What we are witnessing in Osama Abdallah, is a man who has gone far astray; Far astray from the truth, far astray from God, far astray from reality.

Osama I do not envy you, but I pray God would emancipate you from the shackles of your false religion, false book, and false prophet, and come to Christ the Way, the Truth, and the Life, that you would repent of your sins and receive eternal life.

bob said...

Good article. The 'Holy One' in Luke 4:34 is named about 30 times in Isaiah.

Anthony Rogers said...

I will be in Cali, Osama. You won't.

The "whispers" you heard were from your Shaitan. He was telling you that you are going to need to edit all of the debates.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama wrote...


The people were like whispering at me after our debate, apologizing to me for debating you :)."

There may have been people who came up and apologized for having you debate Anthony. The reason, because they felt sorry for you, because you were way out of your league.

Royal Son said...

Let's put my earlier statements to the test:

Osama - Was Isaiah a true prophet of Allah?

How about Jeremiah?
How about Ezekiel?

Osama Abdallah said...

Ok, since Anthony here is about to give birth from agony and frustration, then let me make something clear here, before he ridiculously explodes it into something very ridiculous like him:

This statement of mine was a joke:


The people were like whispering at me after our debate, apologizing to me for debating you :)."

Ok silly? Now get lost and stop crying like a little girl. Your debates won't be posted from your side, because you had no sound victory. By this weekend, as I promised, they will be posted (as many as I could from the four), insha'Allah


Anthony Rogers said...

Osama AbDULLah,

Why are you still commenting? Don't you have a lot of editing to do?

Also, why pretend that I am crying just because my jokes are better than yours? It appears to me that you joke as well as you debate. Let's hope for your sake that you are at least good at editing and damage control.

kenmehms said...

Anthony. Why are these debates not put up yet. Waiting to watch them.

Why are you waiting for Osama to put his edited versions up first?

Anthony Rogers said...


Let me give you some editing tips you are going to need if you are going to do an effective job of skewing what happened.

First, you are going to have to edit out my opening and closing statements as well as both my rebuttals.

Second, since you did such a poor job even without me pointing it out, you might want to do a voice over on your presentation and say something entirely different.

I am afraid if you don't do this then you and your religion will still end up looking foolish.

Don't say I have never given you any good advice.

Sam said...

Look who is talking about giving birth? What's a matter pussycat? You still upset after we humiliated you to such an extent that you started yelling and whining like like an overgrown baby, even shouting at me at the top of your lungs to shut up in front of people? No wonder you have absolutely no Muslims supporting you which explains why they never show up for any of your debates. They know like we do that you are a joke.

Anthony Rogers said...


I don't have the footage of the debates. There were three cameras there, one of which was Osama's. If Osama was an honest man it wouldn't matter who put them up first. As it is, Osama is so disreputable that he plans to put up his doctored versions. Since that is the case I have contacted those who are responsible for putting up our copies and they have told me they will be up by this weekend, probably Sunday (Lord willing).

Since Osama has a lot of editing to do, he will probably only be able to get one or two up by the time it takes us to get all four up in unedited format. Stay tuned and you will see why Osama is feverishly meowing like some starved alley cat stuck in a garbage bin.

kenmehms said...

Thanks Anthony I didn't realise.

Looking toward to watching it though.

But I don't know why you guys waste your time debating someone like Osama. He's got to be the worst Muslim debater there is, and now that's saying something since they are all pretty bad.

The man has no debate skills whatsoever and his knowledge is laughable. I actually feel embarrassed for him.

Oh Bro Sam, I sent you an email a few days ago re Nehemiah in relation to Deuteronomy 18.

Would love to know what you think.

I appreciate you are extremely busy, have been watching your shows on ABN recently with the family, what a blessing.

God Bless you guys.

Anthony Rogers said...

Hi Ken,

I didn't know you were the same guy who sent the e-mail to me and Sam on Deut. 18. We read it in Michigan but were too busy to get back to you. We liked your insight.

As for why we debated Osama, it is because what he lacks in sophistication he makes up for in brainless zeal. All the MDI debaters backed down and refused to debate. Osama alone was willing to get knocked down for Allah.

Radical Moderate said...


Just put the debates up already

aaron said...

@ anthony where can i find your email i wanna ask about several questions regarding theology

kenmehms said...

Yes Anthony it was me. Sorry I did send it to you as well.

I sent it to a couple of people but I couldn't remember who the others were.

Thanks for reading it.

Would be great to hear what you guys think when you get the time.

God bless.

Anthony Rogers said...


Click on my name and it will give you information, including my e-mail.

goethechosemercy said...

Reason is beautiful.
Passion is ugly.

Osama Abdallah said...


As I am typing this, my trinity debate is being uploaded to my Youtube channel. The other coming up, insha'Allah.

One point though. I used to think that Sam Shamoun and Christian Prince were the lowest and most hateful and obnoxious scums out of Christians. You're beginning to demonstrate that you are close to their level.

May I suggest raising yourself to levels like James White and David Wood?

As to shamfool, the listener will see what a joke he is. He abruptly left the debate while I was speaking. And he backed down from debating "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?", and he wanted to REPLACE IT with an Islamic topic such as "Is Muhammad a Role Model for humanity?"

Shamfool, I accept all of your debate challenges. But the reader will clearly see you consistent backing downs from defending the Bible. I have the text captured from George, and my and your exchanges before that proved that you're MORE THAN A MAN to debate an Islamic topic, but the biggest pussy cat when it comes to defending your Scriptures.

Again obnoxious loser and fool, shamfool, your video is coming up, insha'Allah. Just give me a few days.

As to Anthony, stop being low in your talk. No need to stoop to the filthy level of shamfool. He is too low and dispicable, and was KICKED OUT OF THIS BOARD BEFORE.

Osama Abdallah

Hazakim1 said...

Osama is an utter liar and fraud like Muhammad (God's wrath be upon him and his cursed seed ... oh, that's right, all of his sons died... a just penalty for such a filthy man).

Osama, PLEEZ debate me on Isaiah 53...I would wipe the floor with you sir.

Sam said...

goethechosemercy, just how passionate are you regarding your statements here? And is it reasonable for you to be passionate about what you just posted? ;-)

Radical Moderate said...

Osama the LINK PLEASE?

Anthony Rogers said...


Who do you think you are fooling? You are carrying on like someone in here is not going to notice that all my sarcasm is in reply to you calling people "buffoon," "trailor [sic] trash," "filthy liars," "most hateful," "obnoxious scums," etc. And why pretend that it is only me and Sam that you think of in this way when the truth is that you think this way of all Jews and Christians except those who follow your false prophet? Or do you not remember saying: "TRULY, JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ARE INDEED, BY THE ABSOLUTE FARTHEST, THE FILTHIEST SCUMS OF ALL HUMANS ON PLANET EARTH, with the exception of few who were promised Paradise by Allah Almighty!"?

If this is the high standard you are calling me to, then why not go on and tell me to repeat the following words after you: "Latinas are ... among the easiest [girls] to bang in the USA"; and "I'll be enjoying my virgins while you Christians rot in hell."

Also, as for people getting kicked off this board, you might want to check which one of us writes for this blog. Hint: it isn't you. As well, you might want to remember that you are the main reason we have comment moderation around here. In case you don't remember, it is in part because your mouth is almost as foul as Muhammad's was. (You have said some pretty despicable things here, but you have not yet told anyone to "bite his father's penis" like your prophet did. In other words: you are low, but not as low as Muhammad.)

P.S. If you are looking for a name for your video production company or youtube page, might I suggest - "Taqqiya Productions"?

Osama Abdallah said...

Is Jesus the GOD-Man Debate:

The other three are coming up, insha'Allah.


Foolster41 said...

Aww, I thought "shamfool" might be a reference to me, I guess Osama's going to contenue to ignore me rather than answer my questions or demands he apologize for his behavior(including slandering me by saying I want hate crimes to happen).
I'm realizing I never got that promised justification for his missrepresentation of 1 Chron 5:5 as well.
Oh well, same old Osama.

Radical Moderate said...

Thanks Osama can you put up the one with Anthony next please.


Osama Abdallah said...

Osama Abdallah VS Lewis "Lion Heart" on "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD?". Sunday June 16, 2013:


Radical Moderate said...

Osama after hearing your debate, I had to order Spagetti and Meatballs from Olive Garden lol

Osama Abdallah said...

"Osama after hearing your debate, I had to order Spagetti and Meatballs from Olive Garden lol"


Sam said...

It seems that pussycat is starting tom foam at the mouth like his prophet use to. For the record, when you post the UNEDITED debate footage people will see why I didn't ant to have anything with an overgrown clown who has no respect for himself, let alone the audience. You were a disgrace and an utter child, yelling and whining like a little brat. Moreover, just to set things straight, YOU TOLD GEORGE THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DEBATE ME EITHER. Now my reason for now wanting to debate you again is because it is a disgrace someone like you since it means we have to stoop to the lowest level imaginable. However,m if you keep running off your filthy, blasphemous mouth I may humble myself again and stoop to your level again and debate you on the issue of the Bible SO I CAN GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY OF UTTERLY PULVERIZING YOU. just like I did in our last two debates.

So keep running your mouth off pussycat and I will be too glad to shut it tight come this September. And I will make sure to stuff your face in all the spaghetti your wicked, blasphemous, pagan heart desires.

Sam said...

Sorry for all the typos. I wrote this quickly. Isn't it ironic that even though ours was the first Osama didn't post that one yet? The reason is obvious since he has to do A LOT OF EDITING for that one in order to hide the fact that he made himself look like a clown and a complete disgrace. That's what happens when you stuff your face with so much spaghetti.

Osama Abdallah said...

I am re-uploading the second video. Will provide the link once done, insha'Allah.

Shamfool, this is our second official debate, and in both debates, you have brushed aside my ENTIRE opening presentation as it is not relevant. So on that technicality alone, you have lost miserably.

As to not posting your debate first, I am cooking the goods for you to make you the complete clown of the internet. Hold your horses pussycat. At least IT IS ME who is posting the debates, and not your organization who is completely embarrassed by you. LOOLLL.

Osama Abdallah said...

And pussycat, will you defend the Bible? In September, MY CONDITION TO DEBATE YOU is for you to defend your Scriptures.

Why are you sooooooooo ashamed of them??? Scared of the overwhelming PORNOGRAPHY IN IT? LOOOLLL. What a puss!

Sam said...

Wow, the spaghetti monster is starting to foam at the mouth like his demonzed prophet! This is exactly what happened to him in the debates. Like I said, keep talking tough behind a screen. So far you have been humiliated twice by me. If you keep ranting like a madman then I may decide to go for three so as to really make the Muslims despise you for exposing your prophet to such shame and humiliation. In certain aspects you are even more disgraceful than Muhammad was. So return to your editing tricks and spaghetti slurping, pussycat, since that is all that you are good for. And thank you for allowing us to prove that Muhammad was a false prophet, and antichrist, and that Jesus is the God-Man, in fact Muhammad's God and Destroyer who is now under the feet of Jesus, humiliated and disgraced. I am sure the Muslims will love you for it. ;-)

Radical Moderate said...

Osama why did you take down the Lewis debate????

Was getting to watch it. Will be up later tonight?

Osama Abdallah said...

"Osama why did you take down the Lewis debate????

Was getting to watch it. Will be up later tonight?"

So that you would clearly and indisputably see this coward shamfool running away from the second debate. See hour 1:12. I posed the EXCHANGES that took place between me and George on behalf of this shamfool, and also the exchanges that took place between me and this shamfool, and you'll clearly see that this coward is terrified from defending the Bible. Notice how this shamfool never accepted my challenge for him right here and before everyone. What a dispicable coward he is, indeed.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama is the Lewis debate going to be up tonight? I mean is it uploaded and proccessing?

Sam said...

There goes pussycat foaming like a raving madman just like his prophet again! What's the matter pussycat, nto getting enough spaghetti? Kepe running your filthy pagan mouth so I can do yo you what I did in the last two debates, make Muhammad regret having followers like you.

Now go back to your editing tricks like the deceptive Muhammadan that you are. And make sure to slurp plenty of spaghetti while you are at it. At least that will prevent you from foaming too much. ;-)

Anthony Rogers said...


What are you talking about? I was present when Sam talked to George and when you talked to George. You both independently said you don't want to do a second debate with each other. Sam said it because you came unglued during your debate with him and lost all decorum, and you said it because you realized you made a fool out of yourself and were demoralized to the point of not wanting to risk further exposure.

Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...
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Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...

This is really annoying me, waiting for Osama to upload the debates. He skips the debates with Rogers and Sam Shamoun which were the first ones. He then uploads the debates with Edwards and Lewis, after uploading them he takes down the Lewis debate. Rogers hopefully you have the debates up soon. Christtheway 24

Royal Son said...

Osama, no offense but - what has happened to you? I mean I always knew you were a bad debater but this is horribly bad. It's seriously the bottom of the barrel, like limp fish shot in a barrel bad.

You interacted with pretty much nothing in Eddie's debate with you. All you could say was spaghetti. Osama, I recommend you take up Italian cooking if you like spaghetti so much because I can tell you, you were served up big time, cooked both sides. If you want people to say well done, then here it is Osama - you were cooked well done. In fact, it'd probably be more accurate to say overcooked. Actually, coming to think of it, you were burnt to a crisp!

Think of this as a pre-requisite to what is in store for you in the age to come unless you repent and turn in faith to Christ as your Lord and God, to receive the forgiveness of your sins.

Osama Abdallah said...

The debate with Lewis is at:


Derek Adams said...

Here are my thoughts on the two debates uploaded by Osama so far. Not necessarily on the content, because Osama is not much on substance, well, almost nothing.

The first debate he uploaded:

Osama was annihilated. Especially Declore's first cross examination section, Osama was stumped, because he just repeats information that is copied and pasted off his website, yet his website doesn't actually bother to validate anything it asserts, other than making his words colorful, bold and large, as if that is some how effective?

I would like to honestly know a single lexical source that says "Son of God" in the Quran or Bible means "Righteous Servant". Especially when he says "The Quran defines it as" LOL. That must have been a huge blunder.

The second debate:

I don't really call this much of a debate, but more a Circus.

What is painfully clear and obvious to everyone but you Osama, is you are not a debater, nor should you ever try to be one. You can't even respect the basic etiquette and rules of a debate, let alone control your conduct. It is not acceptable to behave like a savage when you are invited to participate in seriously scholarly discussion Osama. It is not acceptable to call people "liars", "cowards", "pagans", "Infidels" and make repeated insults. It is not respectful to come to a debate unprepared and have no scholarly sources for claims you repeatedly make, e.g. EGO EIMI being "I was". At least come with some basic knowledge of the topic. You said you don't know English or Greek grammar, then how do you expect to know how EGO EIMI should be translated?

Maybe we should give you a list of do's and donts , you know what children get to learn even younger than 5.

No insulting. No name calling.
No interrupting. No shouting, no yelling. No bringing up new arguments in the closing section. No talking over people, no disobeying the moderator. Follow the rules given by the moderator. No make up exuses like "I'm tired". No wasting peoples time, stay focused and on subject. Do not merely make "assertions", provide "evidence". Do not provide your own interpretation, provide EXEGESIS. So not make wild irrelevant rants, do not ramble, do not make red herrings. And for God sake DON'T ACT AS IF A CROSS EAXAMINATION IS A REBUTTAL SECTION AND A CLOSING STATEMENT IS A CHANCE TO BRING UP NEW INFORMATION.

The funniest part of the debate which I believe caused the thump created by Rogers.. and the laughter in the audience by Shamoun was when Osama proclaimed himself one of some pioneers defending the Quran against charges of bestiality. I literally was laughing out loud, I'm sure it would of been even more funnier and dazzling in person. If only the audience knew what a shit talker Osama is. lol

Besides Osama needing to give up his debate career and cocky attitude (albeit all bark and no bite), I honestly wish him the best and hope he actually makes some improvement before he dies.

Osama Abdallah said...


What are you talking about? I was present when Sam talked to George and when you talked to George. You both independently said you don't want to do a second debate with each other. Sam said it because you came unglued during your debate with him and lost all decorum, and you said it because you realized you made a fool out of yourself and were demoralized to the point of not wanting to risk further exposure."


No, George came to me and said that shamfool doesn't want to debate you anymore. I RESPONDED to that and said it's his loss, and since he doesn't want to debate me I also don't want to debate him IN THE FUTURE (referring to other dates, not that particular weekend, since we already had an agreement).
It was a generic reply tell George and you that shamfool is the one at loss here.

But after I realized that I was dealing with dishonest word games, I made it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR TO GEROGE that shamfool HAS THE MORAL OBLIGATION to honor his commitment; a foreign concept to this coward.

So my comment was a generic response to shamfool's comment, and it wasn't about that weekend. My comment was about upcoming events like that of September, O Semper.

Furthermore, go to my debate with Lewis: See Hour 1:12, and see the exchange that took place between me and George WHO WAS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF SHAMFOOL. Shamfool was still wanting to debate me on Sunday, but with a different topic. I made it clear to George that shamfool must honor his agreement.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THIS: Shamfool even on sunday never objected to debating me. He only pulled away from the topic that he agreed on. And you guys were playing silly word games like children. A clear sign of lies.

Osama Abdallah

Truth Defenders said...

My name is spelled L O U I S = Louis. Osama had misspelled both my first and last name, so I asked him to please correct that, shortly afterwards he removed the vid, so it may be that he is correcting the spelling, but I am not sure.

Sam said...

You see the effects of following Muhammad and kissing a black stone has on a Muhammadan's brain and integrity? Anthony is right and Osama is lying through his teeth since George himself confirmed that Osama didn't want to debate me NOT BECAUSE OF BEHAVIOR. That is my reason for not wanting to debate this overgrown buffoon who is an utter disgrace to his fellow Muslims which is why no Muslim attends his debates.

Remember folks, this is the same thug who published an apology on his website to Jalal OPNELY ADMITTING THAT HE FORGED EMAILS IN JALAL'S NAME!

The same evil spirit that demonized Muhammad is clearly also at work in Osama.

Listen pussycat, keeping running your mouth off here since that is all you can do. One our debate is published people will see what happened to you where you got humiliated once again since you have serious mental issues which can only be cured from turning away from your wicked prophet and accepting Christ, Muhammad's God and Judge. And you really need to lay off the spaghetti, pussycat, since it isn't doing much for your mental health.

Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...

By the way excellent job Louis in your debate with Osama, you kept your cool, you were confident and very solid.
Side note its also a relief that you used the presuppositional method, namely doing an internal critique of Osama's worldview and demonstrating the Quran appeals to the Bible.
Also you advocated how the Bible is the uncorrupt, inspired word of God, which you had no problem defending.
Unlike William Lane Criag and Mike Licona which they need to be reminded that Christ is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Radical Moderate said...


First let me say that I give u credit for being the only Muslim in the world that would show up to debate. That does say alot about you which is good. Let me also say that you debating four separate Christians in two days on four separate topics also says alot about you, and what it says is not good.

Osama I wonder if you can clarify some things. In your debate with Eddie you said a few things.

1. The word is divine.
2. God was talking to the Word.
3. Jesus is special because he was created from the word but he is not the word itself.

From an Islamic world view I believe you committed shirk, since only Allah is divine and not his word.

I do not know how God could talk to his word so you will have to explain that.

And isn't all of creation created from Gods word? Also the bible says "The word became flesh" and the quran even says that Jesus is a "a word from him"

As far as your debate with Luis, I'm sorry man but you lost it. Doesn't matter what Luis was saying the time to respond to him was in your rebuttal not when he was speaking.

Anthony Rogers said...


You are wrong, wrong, wrong in what was being communicated to you in text. I was present at Sam's conversation with George and your conversation with George. I was also present when George was text messaging you. George was talking on behalf of Louis in text since Sam said you behaved so terribly he would not do a second debate with you and you were so embarrassed that you said you did not want to debate Sam again. Once you upload the unedited video (yeah, right) it will be obvious why Sam did not want to debate you. In fact, you acted so badly in your debate with Sam since you couldn't defend your prophet's actions that they almost called the rest of the debates. Quit being such a Muslim and speak truth for once in your life. You can start by putting up your debates with me and Sam in unedited format. Don't worry, I know you are too dishonest and too scared to let the debates speak for themselves.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama come on man put up the debates with Sam and Anthony already

Osama Abdallah said...


The only liar here is your and shamfool. It was shamfool, not me, who withdrew. I simply said if he doesn't want to debate me, then it's his loss, and I too would then would not want to debate him either. It's not like I am dying to debate him.

And the texts that I posted, yes they were about shamfool. If I accepted to debate is Muhammad a True Prophet again that night (the title was colorfully changed by George to something similar), then shamfool would've stepped forward to debate on Sunday.

So it wasn't about not debating Osama Abdallah. It was about not wanting to honor his word and debate Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty, which he already agreed to debate.

Your debates are coming up, insha'Allah. Another two infidels biting the dust, and heading to the doom of Hell for their blasphemies and polytheism.

Osama Abdallah

Anthony Rogers said...


I am not going to keep spinning my wheels with you. The bottom line is I was the only common denominator to all these exchanges. If it comes down to my word against yours, the fact that you have completely discredited yourself in the debates and in your need to edit the debates shows who should be trusted.

Now go hurry up and finish editing our debates, because of course that is what honest people like yourself are good at.

Osama Abdallah said...

And shamfool, since you have no problem debating me on September, will you now honor your previous commitment and debate me on "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?"

It's a simple yes or no question, shamfool.

Notice everyone how he will drown this by a flood of insults and garbage.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama you going to have them up tonight?

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama Abdallah (<-- Watch me)

Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...

Rogers any updates regarding the debates? I assume they were suppose to be uploaded this afternoon, paltalk and the world is waiting to see Osama get crushed by you and sam

Anthony Rogers said...


Why would Sam debate you again? He soundly defeated you so badly that you have to dishonestly edit your debates with us, and we would be fools to believe that you wouldn't do the same thing again next time.

For my part, I agree to debate you on Isaiah 53 in September if you put up an unedited version of our debate. If you do not, then you can stay at home enjoying a plate of spaghetti instead.

Osama Abdallah said...


The word "Edit" is a bit misleading. It's more like exposing your fallacies. Plus, the first two debates hardly have any additions to them, besides showing images that expose shamfool's lies and cowardice on the debate with Louis. But my trinity debate didn't have any additions or "edits" as you call them.

Your debates are coming up. Cool your jets, dude. Your shamfool is the biggest ass of the internet. And you had no sound victory either. In fact, you miserably failed to refute any of my points.

But anyway, I'll have the debates up either tomorrow or the day after, insha'Allah. I got busy with so many things today.

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

"Rogers any updates regarding the debates? I assume they were suppose to be uploaded this afternoon, paltalk and the world is waiting to see Osama get crushed by you and sam."


Rogers won't upload any debate. He and shamfool are only a noise maker. I am the one who will upload the debates, and you'll see who got destroyed, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...


Why would Sam debate you again? He soundly defeated you so badly that you have to dishonestly edit your debates with us, and we would be fools to believe that you wouldn't do the same thing again next time.

For my part, I agree to debate you on Isaiah 53 in September if you put up an unedited version of our debate. If you do not, then you can stay at home enjoying a plate of spaghetti instead."

Quite honestly, I am not really sure if I want to put my body through all of this abuse again.

1- Preparing for four debates.

2- Sleeping in the airport after we had weather delays that caused me to miss my connection flight, and hotels were not available (after waiting on the phone for 2 hours).

3- Putting up with the garbage of your cheerleaders who were smirking and laughing my face while I was speaking.

4- Deal with the utter rudeness and arrogance that the trash team of yours had displayed.

5- Hear a barrage of insults on my precious and cherished Faith, Islam, and my Prophet.

I say go to Hell. I am not really looking forward to debates with you either. But if I were to do it all over again, it would be for the sake of spreading Islam and the Truth.

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

Truth be told though, the audience who were NOT part of your team, were nice and humble for the most part. But your thugs weren't.

Sam said...

Rogers, tell you whgat. If you want to pwn this oversized spaghetti buffon again in September then, Lord willing, I will stoop down to this thug's level, which is lower than the gutter, and OBLITERATE him on the topic is the Bible God's Word. So count me since I really need to humiliate this pussycat for running his wicked, blasphemous mouth again, even though I already did it the first two times this paper tiger had the guts to show his face for our debate.

BTW, I talked to George and he is going to try to post our version of the debates tonight, Lord willing.

Radical Moderate said...

Sam got a link to the Youtube page where he is going to posted it so I can keep checking on it from time to time?

Anthony Rogers said...


When George posts the debates it will be on Vimeo. Then David can put them on Acts17's YT account if he wants. George would otherwise have to do it in 10 minute increments, which he doesn't want to do.

Radical Moderate said...

Anthony got a link to the Vemio acount?

Anthony Rogers said...

Brother Sam,

As you can see, Osama is deathly afraid of actually doing another spate of debates with us. He knows what happened this time around and he knows the conditions for debating in September are to simply be upright and not EDIT the debates in the hopes of prejudicing his fellow Muhammadans against what we are saying. That is why you can be sure he will NOT put them up in an uncorrupted form. The last thing he wants is to debate Isaiah 53 and the Bible as the Word of God. He accuses you of running since you would not trounce him twice on the same weekend after he blew up in your first debate, but now look at him. He is doing everything he can to insure he will never have to face such a crushing defeat as was dealt to him recently, even going to the extent of pretending we were not good to him. He also seems to be altogether blind to how he has been carrying on in the blog, something everyone will see Osama doing to the third power in the very first debate that took place with you, thus setting the tone for the other three debates. Although we have given him a taste of his own medicine here, we have only given it to him in small doses. Nothing we have said comes anywhere close to his inflammatory rhetoric. It is obvious to me if not to anyone else that if Osama could get his hands on us he would love nothing more than to skin us alive. In fact, he has already wished upon us far worse. Osama wants us to "go to hell." I am sure that both of us want something far different for Osama. As much as we may join in on some of the banter, our deepest desire for him is to turn from his love for a false prophet and embrace God's offer of mercy in the Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, the only Savior of sinners.

Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...

Sam keep us updated on where to find the debates when George post the debates that ended the so called career of Osama.

Side note, Osama some what takes pride about not editing the debate that took place between him and Edwards,
I assume the reason why Osama didn't edit that debate because everything that Edwards said during that debate was over his head.
And attempting to edit it would also require refutations, which would mean he would have to research and we all know when it comes to researching the Greek and Hebrew words he is as lazy as a Fat Cat.

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama said: "The word "Edit" is a bit misleading. It's more like exposing your fallacies."

That's what you were supposed to try to prove in the debates, sir. Admitting that you now need to add editorial comments exposing our "fallacies" shows that you are admitting you did not do so in our debates. If you had said what you now think needs to be added, then we would have had opportunity to reply during our debates. Adding comments later is dishonest and give you opportunity to say what we have no opportunity to reply to.

Anthony Rogers said...



Sam said...

Anthony, just to confirm your sentiments, I do hope that our risen Lord grants Osama repentance unto life since you can see that he is a poor, lost soul who has no family or friends, but is all to himself. The thing is, Muslims can't stand him and he can't stand Christians, which is why he is so miserable and angry. His family life is no better since it takes a lot of grace to deal with such a person, and that grace only comes from knowing and being known by the risen Lord Jesus, the King of glory. So we pray that God will give him eyes to see and ears to hear, as well as a heart filled with love for his only God and Savior Jesus Christ. It is obvious that Muhammad has only brought misery and disaster for Osama.

Tom said...

@ Osama

So allah wants to share the same names of Jesus Christ as from the Bible which is listed in the koran?
Your allah surely wants to be like Our God & Saviour Jesus Christ!

Al Haqq = Truth. Jesus said, "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Al baeth = The resurrection. Jesus said to her, "I am the Resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die." John 11:25-26

Al awal = The FIRST & Al akher = the LAST. "Who has performed and done it, Calling the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD, am the First; And with the last I am HE." Isaiah 41:4 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First
and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13-16

Al malek = King of kings. Revelation 17:17 - "They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings."

Al Hadi = the Guide. Jesus said, "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and fine pasture." John 10:9

Al nur = The Light. Jesus said in John 8:12, "I am the Light of the World. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the Light of life."

Curious about this one..
Az-Zahir- The Manifest One

Osama Abdallah said...

Where are the debates, Shamfoul? Did you lie, yet again, about them?

There were:

1- Two other cameras beside mine filming.

2- Two computers capturing the debates in real-time and recording also sitting on chairs.

So there were a total of FOUR independent recordings were happening beside my camera. In other words, with my camera, there were a total of five.

How come everyone from your side is scared/ashamed to upload the debates shamfoul?

I am just curious here, why is it that I am a coward for taking my time to refute your fallacies THOROUGHLY, while the others aren't? Like I mentioned above, my videos are's production, and I am after THOROUGHLY proving Islam. Proving that I won or lost a debate is secondary to me. Everyone sees from the two videos that I already posted that I never lost. But I don't care about arguing this point.

So again shamfoul, where are the videos? How come they're not uploaded from YOUR side?

Osama Abdallah

Radical Moderate said...


After watching how well Osama did in the two debates he posted, I have to agree with him.

I think you guys are scurred to post them :)

Radical Moderate said...

BTW Osama can you show me the verse in the Quran that forbids makes Haram sex with Animals?

Osama Abdallah said...

"BTW Osama can you show me the verse in the Quran that forbids makes Haram sex with Animals?"

There are three thorough and ample Noble Verses for this:

The Holy Quran Commanded us, especially during the early days of Islam, that if we were in doubt about anything, ask the PEOPLE OF THE THIKR (OF MOSES) IF "YE KNOW NOT". So based on that alone, I can come to you and ask you, Mr. "Radical Moderate", what does your Law (Moses' Law) say about bestiality? Your answer would be to kill the person and the animal with him.

2- The Holy Quran Commanded the Muslims to follow what the Prophet of Islam Commanded. I have provided 28 Hadiths on my website that command exactly what I just quoted: Kill the man and kill the animal with him.

3- Allah Almighty made it clear in the Holy Quran that sex is to be done with the opposite sex, with one who is lawful to you. This was one of the main reasons why Sodom and Gomorah were doomed. Because they violated the Law of Allah Almighty on what Allah Almighty restricted for sex.

Please visit:

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

And in case Shampoon comes back and says oooh oooh look, the Quran doesn't give an EXPLICIT COMMAND on prohibiting bestiality, I tell him:

1- The Holy Quran does as I thoroughly demonstrated it.

2- You couldn't give me AN EXPLICIT COMMAND THAT prohibits lesbianism in the Bible. So using your absurd logic then, lesbianism is allowed.

3- Furthermore, fornication in general is punishable either by 100 lashes, or by stonning to death in Islam.

4- If you say that the pet is owned by you, I would tell you that Islam is crystal clear about SEX ONLY WITH FEMALE-HUMAN CAPTIVES is allowed. I can't have sex with my male captive, nor does my wife. And the same with animals.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

I meant to say slave, instead of captive. Captive is too limited, while slave is board.

Truth Defenders said...

Osama, you sir are a shameless liar. Are you going to correct the spelling of the debaters name. And why did you block the debater from commenting on the debate, you are a pice of work.

Sam said...

Did you see what this shameless stone worshiping thug just did? He appealed to the Torah to prove bestiality is condemned in Islam EVEN THOUGH ALL THROUGHOUT OUR DEBATES AND EVEN HERE HE HAS BEEN ASSAULTING THE HOLY BIBLE! This is a classic example of some who is so demonized then he can no longer think rationally, and has become a menace to society.

Now as far as appealing to the hadith are concerned, I already slammed Osama on this issue here:

Moreover, the fact that he can only appeal to the very hadiths which prove he tried to condemn and toss out in our debate since they conclusively prove that Muhammad was irrational, immoral and therefore a false prophet, Osama only ends up proving that the Quran is a book of lies and filthy porn since it claims to be a book that is fully detailed. See my next post.

Sam said...

This is a continuation of my previous post.

Here are the texts where the Quran says it is a fully detailed book, omitting nothing:

And thus do We explain the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) IN DETAIL, that the way of the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists, sinners), may become manifest. S. 6:55 Hilali-Khan Mecca

It is He Who has set the stars for you, so that you may guide your course with their help through the darkness of the land and the sea. We have (indeed) explained IN DETAIL Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, Revelations, etc.) for people who know. It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and has given you a place of residing (on the earth or in your mother's wombs) and a place of storage [in the earth (in your graves) or in your father's loins]. Indeed, We have EXPLAINED IN DETAIL Our revelations (this Qur'an) for people who understand. S. 6:97-98

Thus We explain variously the Verses so that they (the disbelievers) may say: "You have studied (the Books of the people of the Scripture and brought this Qur'an from that)" and that We may make the matter clear for the people who have knowledge. S. 6:105 Hilali-Khan

[Say (O Muhammad)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), EXPLAINED IN DETAIL." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. S. 6:114 Hilali-Khan

And this is the Path of your Lord (the Qur'an and Islam) leading Straight. We have DETAILED Our Revelations for a people who take heed. S. 6:126

Say (O Muhammad): "Who has forbidden the adoration with clothes given by Allah, which He has produced for his slaves, and At-Taiyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) things] of food?" Say: "They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) exclusively for them (believers) on the Day of Resurrection (the disbelievers will not share them)." Thus We explain the Ayat (Islamic laws) IN DETAIL for people who have knowledge. S. 7:32 Hilali-Khan Mecca

Certainly, We have brought to them a Book (the Qur'an) which We have explained IN DETAIL WITH KNOWLEDGE, - a guidance and a mercy to a people who believe. S. 7:52 Hilali-Khan

Thus do We explain the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) IN DETAIL, so that they may turn (unto the truth). S. 7:174 Hilali-Khan

And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and A FULL EXPLANATION of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns, and all that exists). S. 10:37 Hilali-Khan Mecca

More in the next post.

Sam said...

This is my third post to Osama. Here are some more verses:

But if they repent, perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) IN DETAIL for a people who know. S. 9:11 Medina

Alif Lam Ra. This is a Book, whose verses have been made firm and free from imperfection and then they have been expounded in detail. It is from One Wise, and All-Aware. S. 11:1 Shakir Mecca

Indeed in their stories, there is a lesson for men of understanding. It (the Qur'an) is not a forged statement but a confirmation of Allah's existing Books [the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel) and other Scriptures of Allah] and A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING and a guide and a Mercy for the people who believe. S. 12:111 Mecca

One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book EXPLAINING ALL THINGS, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. S. 16:89 Y. Ali

He sets forth for you a parable from your ownselves, - Do you have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e. your slaves) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Whom you fear as you fear each other? Thus do We explain the signs IN DETAIL to a people who have sense. S. 30:28 Hilali-Khan Mecca

A Book whereof the Verses are explained IN DETAIL; A Qur'an in Arabic for people who know. S. 41:3 Hilali-Khan Mecca

Here is another version of this last passage:

A scripture whose verses PROVIDE THE COMPLETE DETAILS, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know. Khalifa

So I again want to thank Osama for once again helping me to prove that Muhammad was a liar and the Quran a book of lies and deception. Keep up the great work spaghetti monster a.k.a. pussycat!

Sam said...

Oops, I forgot to post this link as well:

So enjoy!

Anthony Rogers said...


I stayed up until 4am on Skype with George trying to get at least the first debate uploaded.
George is trying to coordinate the cameras to make everything look good. I told him just to upload one camera at least and make a "pretty" copy later. He just won't do it. Unfortunately I can't do anything more than I have to speed up the process.

But go ahead and bask in the glory for now. It promises to be short-lived. The debates will go up. I even offered to pay George for the debates if he isn't going to step up the process.

Osama Abdallah said...


Your and sam's debates are coming up, buddy. Don't worry. Tomorrow insha'Allah one of you will be uploaded. The day after, insha'Allah, the other.

As to shamfool, notice his lies right through his teeth. Everyone who listens to at least the two debates that I uploaded, will clearly see how I elaborated on the LAW BEING A LIVING LAW in the text, even though the text isn't in its original form. I gave the example "Do not steal." Listen to the debates.

LOOOLL, man I can't believe this buffoon.

Osama Abdallah

Radical Moderate said...


What is funny is that you haven't posted the debates of you and sam and you and Anthony. What are u hiding from.

Tom said...

@ Osama

Hey Osama, what you think is this about lesbianism?

"Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonoured among them.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Tom said...

Bothers Sam & Rogers, on this issue of the video being uploaded we know that you have 100% integrity than this character osama, we know it will be uploaded in due course.. engaging this guy on this and in reality on other issue seems pointless!

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama said: "Your and sam's debates are coming up, buddy. Don't worry. Tomorrow insha'Allah one of you will be uploaded. The day after, insha'Allah, the other."

Then your unpersuasive prattling is about to come to an end. Enjoy tonight; tomorrow is coming. In the meantime, enjoy this from me and Sam.

Derek Adams said...

While your at it Anthony please make sure to tell George on behalf of all us Shamounians to upload the debate first Sam had with Farhan (that is not online), and the debate between Sheik Shamsi vs Anthony Rogers.

To be blunt, many of us are not impressed, why should these debates be eternally absent from the archives?

Many people are even willing to pay to see such material.

These kind of debates are not only a base source of entertainment, but to watch living legends in action is a real privileged, there is much to learn.

The opinion I am speaking is not merely my own, but people have waited weeks for these debates and years for others.

What is the real reason why George won't upload a simple copy?

Why is it Osama can do a better job than George?

rivan said...

@Anthony! i thought it was gonna be a video or article to refute Osama further. Nice one :)

Anthony Rogers said...

I agree Derek. You have no idea how many debates he is sitting on. I am thinking of having a special offer or mystery prize for the person who can guess how many debates George has but will not release.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Tom, you're another buffoon, because if it took the NT, which came THOUSANDS of years to explain that lesbianism is not allowed, then my point is proven.

By the way, I am not saying that the Law allows for lesbianism. But the fact that you have to go to Romans, which came thousands of years after it proves my point.

@Sam regarding the Holy Quran being "Detailed". That is a mistranslation. TIBYAAN, which is derived from BAYAN means to make a headline or a very very highlevel statement. This is what government BAYANS are. The Hadiths came to give the TAFASEEL and SARH of Islam. For example:

If I tell you it is forbidden to enter this building's territory. That would be a BAYAN. Going through the details of why, and what are the boundaries, and what are the consequences is TAFSEEL AND SHARH.

And indeed, the Holy Quran gives the BAYANS (ex: Pray). The Hadiths explain how to Pray, and how many times, and at what times.

I hope this helps :).

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

And @Tom, stop talking about my integrity as if you know me. This by itself makes you a liar. This is the thing about christians, they talk so arrogantly towards others, as if they are better and more righteous than them, when in reality they are the most crooked liars and biggest racists and bigots out there.

Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...

I would have to agree with my dear friend Derek Adams and excuse me if I come across blunt, but honestly Geoerge is being lazy point blank period.

He has other debates and videos he is sitting on which exemplifies poor work ethics, a simple task of uploading debates in which he seem he can't complete or get started.

It simply just shows how much he appreciates the hard work of the Answering Islam team.

I will remind George and the viewers the dedication and hard work of these men, and maybe it will motivate George to abandon the spirit of laziness which appears to be in Osama and others.

The Answering Islam team has always been consistent with their work ethics, Sam Shamoun writing paper after paper over the past 12 years now consistently.

He has always given lectures at churches, he has tons of paltalk lectures online. He has a facebook page in which he consistently post links to his papers and others.

Anthony Rogers has solid paper on clearly demonstrating the Angel of the Lord is YWH and other papers. He has been on ABN also takes him time out his day to go on paltalk and give lectures.

Not just only Sam and Rogers but others such as David Wood running this blog consistently and has wonderful appears on

He engaged in over 15 debates and has traveled across to world to preach Jesus to the Muslims.

David Wood has once debated an atheist in which he probably had 1 hour rest prior before the debate

Here is my point these men are hard workers and far from lazy for sake of Christ and because of the Christ of Grace.

If the debates were in the hands of Rogers, Sam or David Wood it would have been already uploaded these men don't sleep for the sake of the Kingdom Of God.

But hey what can I say there is always that one weak link that is given a simple task and still fails.

Foolster41 said...

Osama: Your integretiy is questiond because you've quite blantently said dishonest things (such as misrepresenting bible verses), and used dishonest slanders about other people (as you do again against Christians) and never apollogize.

For example, that you say Romans came "thousahnds of years" later proves that either you are an outragous liar, or an extremely sloppy scholar. You might want to try 200 years instead, long before Mohammad was born.

Saying that Chrisitans (or any group) are the biggest liars, bigots and hypocrites has nothing to do with arguing the truth, it's mud throwing. Stop it.

It's also hypocrtitical. You complain about lying when that's what you do here, quite frequently You complain about arrogance, but it's clear from your tone that you are sure you are right, and very rarely apologize for your mistakes. You call Christians "bigots" and "racists" but you quite frequently talk of anti-semetic conspiracy theory nonsense how Jews are really behind all of the terrorist attacks blamed on Muslims! Such hypocracy!

Foolster41 said...

" as if they are better and more righteous than them, "
Ah, but Chrisitans aren't told that they are the best of people and that other people are the worst of people. You might want to look at how people your own religion treat those of other religions before you try making this claim.

Once again, Osama's projectiing himself onto others, and his religion onto other religions.

Sam said...

The spaghetti eating buffoon tries to wax eloquent by pretending to know Arabic. Amazing. Now just to document why this guy is just as illiterate as his prophet was, the verses I quoted DON'T EVEN USE THE WORD BAYAN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF Q. 16:89! All the rest of them employ the word fasal. Now let us see how the lexicons define this root:

Fa-Sad-Lam = he separated/divided or put apart a thing from another thing, made a separation/partition, distinct/plain/clear/manifest, explain in detail, to distinguish, deciding between two things (e.g. what is true and what is not), distinct portion/section.

FASALA: To set apart, separate, distinguish, set a limit, part, depart, decide, set out, divide into parts, expatiate into detail, MAKE CLEAR (statement), distinct, judge, NARRATE A THING WITH ALL ITS PARTICULARS.
FASLUN: Distinguishing, Decisive

And now let us see how this same source defines bayan, the word Osama appealed to:

Becoming separated, severed, disunited, cut off or distinct
APPARENT, MANIFEST, PLAIN, CLEAR, known, distinguished from another
Disunion and union
Coming forth
Separation or division between two things (e.g. land)
An evidence, an indication, demonstration, proof, ARGUMENT THAT IS CLEAR, MANIFEST (INTELLECTUAL OR PERCEPTIVE/PERCEIVED BY SENSE), testimony of a witness

So even this word doesn't help Osama out, but actually confirms my point, thereby exposing him and his Quran as a fraud!

This is the result of pussycat spending too much time stuffing his face with spaghetti and fantasizing about smooching a black stone as the good little idolator that he is. It severely damages the brain's ability to think rationally and honestly.

Sam said...

I forgot to mention. Fasal is the root of the word Tafseel, THE VERY WORD OSAMA ADMITTED IS THE ONE WHICH WOULD IMPLY THAT THE QURAN CLAIMS TO BE FULLY DETAILED. Note his words:

"Going through the details of why, and what are the boundaries, and what are the consequences is TAFSEEL AND SHARH."

Now let me quote the passages which actually use the word tafseel:

This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, AND PROVIDES A FULLY DETAILED (wa'TAFSEELA kulli shay-in) scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe. S. 10:37 Khalifa

In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, PROVIDES THE DETAILS OF EVERYTHING (wa'TAFSEELA), and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe. S. 12:111 Khalifa

"And We appoint the night and the day two portents. Then We make dark the portent of the night, and We make the portent of the day sight-giving, that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the computation of the years, and the reckoning; AND EVERYTHING HAVE WE EXPOUNDED WITH A CLEAR EXPOUNDING (wakulla shay-in FASSALnahu TAFSEELAN). " S. 17:12 Pickthall

So again I want to thank Osama, my dear pussycat friend, for once again helping me to expose Muhammad as a false prophet and the Quran as a book of lies and deceit. He has not only been assisting me to do so here, but was also of great aid in assisting me in accomplishing my goal of exposing Muhammad and his religion in our most recent debate as well. For that I want to really thank him and encourage to continue doing what he does best, namely, exposing and shaming Islam and Muslims, since no one does a good of job as he does!

Radical Moderate said...

Osama where are the debates? What are u running from. Post the debates?

Radical Moderate said...

Osama where are u where are the debates you promised to post. What are u running from?

Tom said...


Quoting this raving lunatic, Osama:

" You couldn't give me AN EXPLICIT COMMAND THAT prohibits lesbianism in the Bible."

The Key word I see there is " The Bible".
Now you start rambling about 1000yrs and its NT blah blah, you are mad!

Next when The God of Abramham Created man he created Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve or he could have created Sarah & Eve if that was His design! Is'nt that clear enough from the beginning what is natural & His plans!
Until your god/allah turned up and introduced perversions & adulterations!!
Watching your debates clearly shows your standard of intergrity- patheticly low!

You have been ranting and raving with no control of your mind and Yet the owners of this Blog, let you continue in this mindless fashion speaks volume of their integrity & compassion.

Osama Abdallah said...

Sorry for not being able to upload the third debate out of four tonight, as I aimed to do. Had a long and busy day. It looks like I'll have to wait for the weekend, as I did last weekend, and upload the two remaining debates, insha'Allah.

So at the worst case, by the end of this Sunday I'll have one or the two debates uploaded, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Anthony Rogers said...


Osama has far too much to edit. It is taking him longer than he realized it would. Lying isn't easy, so give him a break.

Truth Defenders said...

Yes, isn't it funny, how Osama the liar blocks people from posting logical and relevant comments and yet these same people extend to him the courtesy to rant and insult on their pages.
Learn the value of fair play Mr. Slave of Allah. And you may one day change your name to Child of God, from save to an adopted child, how awesome would that be, to know the True and Living God in a loving and personal relationship.
Repent sir and live.

Derek Adams said...

1) Only snakes will not upload the debates. 2) George will not uploaded the debates 3) Osama will not upload the debates 4) Therefore George and Osama are snakes

Am done.

Am done.







Will you debate me about the DEBATES?

Anthony Rogers said...

Derek, make sure you record the debates yourself. :)

Jose Joseph/ CTW24 said...

Just Imagine if Osama didn't post the debates which took place with Louis and Edwards?

Which would mean instead of depending on two debates from George, namely the Sam Shamoun and Rogers debate,we will be currently waiting for all (four debates).

Notice the distinction between George and Osama, at least we know the reason there is a delay on Osama's part he admits he is editing the debates, but is George's excuse?
George has not at least posted one debate out of the four debates. My bets are on Osama uploading all four debates before George even with all the editing he is doing.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Sam, the tafseel was given to the Prophet and his Sunna. The Holy Quran Says that Allah Almighty sent down the Holy Quran in order for the Prophet explain everything.

I'll write an article about it to explain the whole misunderstanding.

Take care,
Buffoon :)

Sam said...

Pussycat, thanks for proving that you can't read since the verses I quoted from the Quran DID NOT SAY that the tafseel is Muhammad's Sunna, BUT THE QURAN ITSELF. Let me repost the verses, this time by placing the specific parts in capitals:

THIS QURAN could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, AND PROVIDES A FULLY DETAILED (wa'TAFSEELA kulli shay-in) scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe. S. 10:37 Khalifa

In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; THIS(QURAN) confirms all previous scriptures, PROVIDES THE DETAILS OF EVERYTHING (wa'TAFSEELA), and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe. S. 12:111 Khalifa

Notice that these texts do not say This Quran AND SUNNA. Now here are a few more:

Say (O Muhammad)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you THE BOOK, EXPLAINED IN DETAIL." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. S. 6:114 Hilali-Khan

A BOOK WHEREOF THE VERSES ARE EXPLAINED IN DETAIL; A Qur'an in Arabic for people who know. S. 41:3 Hilali-Khan Mecca

Here is another version of this last passage:

A SCRIPTURE WHOSE VERSES PROVIDE THE COMPLETE DETAILS, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know. Khalifa

Notice once again that these texts do not say that the verses of the Quran are explained in the sunna, BUT IN THE BOOK OR QURAN ITSELF!

This is why you need to get off the spaghetti and stop reading the Quran since they are turning your brain to mush. ;-)