Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Does Allah Love Unbelievers?

One of Allah’s 99 Names is al-Waddud, “the Loving.” Allah is called al-Waddud twice in the Qur’an. In 11:90, the prophet Shu’aib tells the people of Midian, “Ask pardon, then, from your Lord, then turn to Him; verily, my Lord is merciful, loving!” Likewise, in 85:12-16 we read:

Lo! the punishment of thy Lord is stern. Lo! He it is Who produceth, then reproduceth, and He is the Forgiving, the Loving, Lord of the Throne of Glory, Doer of what He will.

Nevertheless, other passages in the Qur’an qualify Allah’s love significantly. While Allah is said to love those who do good deeds (2:195), those who are pure (2:222), those who are righteous (9:7), and those who fight in his cause (61:4), the Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly, the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims:

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls, that He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.

Notice that 3:31-32 makes Allah’s love contingent on whether a person believes in Muhammad. This is similar to what we find in 19:46, which declares: “Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love.”

Hence, although Allah is called “the Loving,” the Qur’an only means by this that Allah will love people once they believe in him and obey his prophet. The god of Islam has no love for sinners and unbelievers.

Interestingly, the “Love me first and I’ll love you back” kind of love exhibited by Allah in the Qur’an is condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5:43-48:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

For more on the god of Islam, visit our “Allah” page. For more on Allah's love in the Qur'an, read Farid Mahally's excellent article, "A Study of the Word 'Love' in the Qur'an."

148 comments:

Anonymous said...

I went over to the Allah page. it's funny to see moohamid decsribing his imagination.

Yes, moo your imagination is wonderful, loving, kind, merciful.

Funny stuff.

Baron Eddie said...

Allah's names was 99 names and it has been like that for 1400 years

But it has been abrogated just like everything else!

29 names were taken out recently and replaced by new 30 names!

so now Allah has 100 names ... WOW!

for example the number (60)Al-Muhyi = “The Giver of Life” was taken out

I would agree with them that Allah is not the Giver of Life ...

another example

number (93) in your list "An-Nur" = “The Light” was taken out also ...

of course Allah is not the light ...

Prophet of Islam said "anyone memorized the 99 names of Allah will go to Janna(Islamic paradise)!

The prophet did not know there was 100 names!

Samatar Mohamed said...

Not a convincing argument. David brings up verses in the Quran showing Allah (swt) does not love those who disbelieve in Allah, those who are unjust, etc... We both agree on this point as the verses explicitly states. However, my issue is where David says that God will only love those who love him first. Allah (swt) extends his love to everyone, and only those who cast aside Gods love are those who God does not love. So rather, God loves everyone, except those who decide to dismiss or reject his love. Satan would be the perfect example. God extended his love for satan when he was in heaven with the angels, but when Satan challenged and disobeyed God did God not love Satan. Another quick point I had to make is that even the bible shows that God did not love everyone. Romans 9:13, Psalms 5, etc... are good examples showing God hating not only the sin but the sinners. So here is a question for you David, Did Yahweh Love EVERYONE?

David Wood said...

Nice try Samatar. Try reading my post again. Maybe you'll understand it this time. FACT: According to the Qur'an, Allah only loves people who first love him. FACT: Jesus condemns this sort of love. What does Satan or anything else have to do with this?

But let me make things even more clear for you.

(1) According to Islam, Jesus was a prophet.
(2) Jesus condemned the sort of love exhibited by Allah.
(3) Therefore, Allah can't be the God preached by Jesus.

Let me guess, you're going to raise a bunch of silly objections now, and fail to recognize that your religion self-destructed the moment the Qur'an affirmed the scriptures of the Christians and Jews. How original!

David Wood said...

Samatar says that Allah extends love to everyone, but then changes his mind when they reject it. But this is exactly the opposite of what we read in 19:46, which says, "Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love.”

Notice that Allah appoints love for people who believe, not for everybody. Apparently Samatar is ashamed of his god and trying to cover for him.

Unknown said...

@ Samatar,
You quoted Romans 9:13 and Psalm 5 as a proof that God in the Bible chooses whom He love or hate?

1. You are actually making a Tu quoque fallacy.
"You're saying that Allah doesn't love everybody? well, your God too.."

2. What is the full context of these Bible verses that you quoted? You didn't gave any. Does these verses entail positive hate?

One thing I found interesting, you said it was not a convincing argument (that Allah doesn't love everybody and he loves only those who love him first), yet you agree with what the verses explicitly state (which lead to the conclusion that Allah only love those who love him first)?

Baron Eddie said...

I am glad that someone mentioned Satan(Shytan) as mentioned in Islam.

Satan(Shytan) became Muslim (Al-hamdu Llah) and Satan has relationship
with the prophet of Islam Muhammad!

As mentioned in "Sahih Muslim" in book Sifat al-kyama wa al-janna
wa al-nar under section(Bab) "Tahreesh Al-shytan o Baa-thehee
sarayah L-Fitnat al-nas ...

Basically, the prophet of Islam was talking to a crowed and he said
that all of you have Satan ...

And the crowed asked Muhammad "You too?"
And he said "Yes, me too!"
but Allah helped on Satan and Satan became Muslim ...

This is disaster ... WOW

and not only that but Satan tells Muhammad with good things!

Shouldn't Allah tells Muhammad with good things ...

Arrow said...

Allah loves only the believing Muslims. Everyone else will go to hell, regardless how moral and righteous they were. For example:

In Sura 4:56, Satan says: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.”

In Sura 7:50, Lucifer says: “And the companions of the Fire will call to the companions of Paradise, "Pour upon us some water or from whatever Allah has provided you." They will say, "Indeed, Allah has forbidden them both to the disbelievers ."

In Sura 35:36, Beelzebub says: “And for those who disbelieve will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them.”

Arrow said...

I find the Muslim arguments quite compelling. Therefore, I have decided to embrace the religion of truth and proclaim the Shahada: I bear witness that there is no God but God and that Muhammad is the messenger of Satan.

Can I go to Mecca now?

Anonymous said...

The Love of the God of the Bible.

God always loves everyone first before they love him.
He would not create someone he hated.
He loved us even before we existed.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you. Jeremiah 1:5 (spoken to Jeremiah but applicable to all)

Since God is 100% love...

He who does not love does not know God, for God is love 1John 4:8

...there is no room for hate.

His essence and character does not change because of someone else's actions.

He has disgust and revulsion (translated as hate in some scriptures), sadness and anger at the sin and crime, but not hate towards the sinner; otherwise he would hate Islamist's who follow Mohammad's example and are alway's sinning and breaking his commandments, i.e. "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness" etc. and "You shall love your nieghbour as yoursef" Leviticus 19:18 (a nieghbour is anyone in our near vicinity at any time)

But God does not hate Islamist's or he would not have gone to all the trouble to hang on the cross for them (John 3:16).

God does not even demonstrate any hate towards Satan as shown in the book of Job.

Now there was a day when the sons of God [the fallen angels] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" (a polite manner of greeting visitor's) So Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it." (a polite manner of answering the host's greeting)

Then (it gets down to business) the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job...?"

Jesus (God was manifested in the flesh 1Tim 3:16), never demonstrated any hate towards Satan either, but just got on with the business of rescuing us from sin and the devil's hold over us.

Hatred is Satan's character and essence, not God's.

Compared to God's love, the devil's hate is a completely inferior and weak product.

"Our heart is much too limited to be able to grasp the scope of this great blessing. For such is its magnitude that if anyone were able to comprehend it... if we had a full understanding of this love of God for men, a joy so great would come to us from this recognition that we would promptly die because of it." Luther

Samatar Mohamed said...

@David

I don't think you even understood my argument. I said God loves everyone except for those who do not follow his commands knowingly. According to Islam, all children are born muslims, hence why children will go to heaven if they perish. So God does Love everyone from the moment they are born. Only those who have heard the true message of Islam and are willfully disobedient or unjust, etc... are those who God does not extend his love to. After all, these people have committed such a terrible sin that they will suffer an eternity in hell. It only makes sense that God would not love those people. And even the Old testament seems to agree with this so I do not see how you have any basis to stand on. The confusion may lie in what our definition of love really is. I equate love with having a positive affection for someone else. It doesn't even seem rational to think that God would have a positive affection for someone who has willfully disobeyed him (i.e. Satan) even after all God has given him/her, and who he will punish with eternal suffering. You still haven't responded to whether Yahweh loves the unbelievers, I'll be waiting.

1Universe Of Ideas said...

I am a Muslim there is lot of thing i don't understan in Islam and one of that is we all children of God or Allah why in Islam Allah want's muslim to killed unbelievers for eg,if a man has three children how can he tell to his one child to killed his both brothers. thats mean the father is bad person.

Michael said...

What is the common Muslim defense to the claim that Allah loves not the disbelievers? I usually hear them say that "no that's not what the verse means, it means Allah doesn't love that person's sins but he loves all." In a way I'm refreshed to hear Arrow agree with what Allah says but he's the only Muslim I know who admits it. Thoughts?

Unknown said...

@ Samatar,
I think the confusion lies not on the definition of love, but your categorical mistake by putting satan in the same group as 'everybody'.

Unlike us, satan wasn't created in the image of God. Satan is the embodiment of evil and unholiness. Everything that God hates, satan is and does.

So, to equate God's hate for satan with Him having a lesser degree of favor or love towards us is a good move to deflect the problem of Allah's grace/love as stated in the Quran. But, it's still a categorical mistake.

Baron Eddie said...

Satan became Muslim and Satan command Mohammad


The number is 2814
[2814] حدثنا عثمان بن أبي شيبة وإسحاق بن إبراهيم قال إسحاق أخبرنا، وقال عثمان حدثنا جرير عن منصور عن سالم بن أبي الجعد عن أبيه عن عبد الله بن مسعود قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ما منكم من أحد إلا وقد وكل به قرينه من الجن قالوا وإياك يا رسول الله قال وإياي إلا أن الله أعانني عليه فأسلم فلا يأمرني إلا بخير

This Hadith Sahih and ranked good

I want my Muslim brothers and sisters to watch for their Souls and for their eternal life

I pray that those deceivers (who don't translate everything and mis-tranlate some) their efforts
will come to nothing ...

Here is what Google translate to

"Tell us Osman Bin Abi Shaybah and Isaac Ben Abraham said Isaac told us, said Osman
told us Jarir Mansour Salem bin Abi Ja'd from his father Abdullah bin Masood said: The
Messenger of Allah peace be upon him: what one of you, however, has all its companion
of Gin said "and you, O Messenger of Allah" said, Me too, but Allah helped me Voslm not
telling me but okay"

I could tell those in Google Arabic department are Voslm "Muslims" ha ha ha
It should be "became Muslim"

Baron Eddie said...

Check this deception

in English site the above hadith is numbered 6757 (Sahih Muslim)
The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell
(Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wal Janna wan-Nar)'



Sahih Muslim in English

number 6757

and in Arabic is not the same

Sahih Muslim in Arabic

number 2814

In Arabic it says "Satan became Muslim" فأسلم

Why it not translated?

And how Satan command Mohammad "command me but for good"

Did Satan became and Angel?

I thought Allah suppose command for good!

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Aqeel

You said there were somethings you did not understand about Islam. My advice would be for you to examine the Quran, hadith, and the historical context of how certain verses in the Quran were used. It would be best if you went to someone knowledgeable about Islam, but don't just take his/her word for it. Check everything on your own also to make sure everything you are being told is accurate. You said that we are the children of God. I don't quite know where you got that from because that is not an Islamic teaching whatsoever and is borderline shirk. We are servants of God, not his children. He is our creator, we are his creation.

@Tiwas

You said I made a mistake by comparing satan with people with respect to God's love. I think my argument is solid and here is why. First off, it is important to note that satan wasn't always evil. He was at one point a good servant of God and it would only make sense that Yawheh would Love him. But once he rebelled against God did he not Love satan. I see it as the same for us humans. God extends his love to anyone until they decide to abandon it. After all, aren't Satan and unbelievers going to suffer an eternal torment in hell for the severity of their actions. You also said that humans are made in the image of God, I agree but what is your point. I hope you aren't using that as some sort of argument to show why God would love us and not satan. Yes, we are different from Satan, other animals, angels. But God loves all of his creation except for those who disobey him willfully. My final point is that if you look at the Bible and Quran, you see the same view on this matter. So if David has a problem with God not loving disbelievers, he should look to the Bible as well.

Anonymous said...

The Koran says that God does not love sinners and unbelievers, but this is just attributing weak sinful human nature to God's character; which is simply trying to make God into an idol of man's own invention; an invention presided over by the devil.

God's nature and essence (love and light) cannot change because of the behaviour of others. His nature and essence stands alone and is independent of the wilful sins/crimes, blasphemy and disobedience of man or angel.

This is why it was possible for him to...

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but everlasting life. John 3:16

...rescue us from sin and Satan's hold over us in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Samatar,

Asked "Does YHWH love unbelievers?"

Yes, he does.

See John 3 and the verses provided in this post.

Fyi, Theologians do distinguish between God's redemptive and general love.

Samatar let me take you to school. You see when the old testament speaks of God hating people, it's putting it in words we can understand.

God doesn't hate like we do. Our hatred is sinful. YHWH's hatred is perfect.

Did you read the verses provided in the post Samatar? In spite of God's hatred for the wicked, he still blesses them.

How about your god Samatar?

I'll be waiting.



Anonymous said...

Samatar,


Romans 5:8

8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.


See that while we were unbelievers God set his love on us.

Arrow said...

Dear Michael,

In a way I'm refreshed to hear Arrow agree with what Allah says but he's the only Muslim I know who admits it.

Muslim?

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Samatar

Samatar your explaination fails, it seems you don't want to read the verses so i quote it for you:

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers

-So let's think about this: If i don't love Allah (which i don't because i believe he is satan nor jews, Atheists dont because they dont believe in any god, Buddist dont because they believe in other kind of spirituality, hindus dont because they dont believe in Alah at all), i don't follow muhammad (which i don't because i believe he was evil, nor atheists, buddists, hindus,jews,etc), and abviously i have turned my back to him because i want nothing with such a God ( as atheists, Buddist, Hindus, Jews, etc), then surely Allah does not love any of us (the unbelievers), so we are forced to think that allah only loves Muslims... because you are the only ones who obey Allah and Muhammad and havent turned your backs on them. I mean how difficult is that to understand?

Also i find kinda funny how desperate you try to "Christianize" your God, to make him appear good and lovely as ours is, but if you travel 2 centuries back, and ask Muslims with their Quran in their hands: Does Allah love non Muslims? they would asnwer you very fast : NO!! and that would be supported by the Quran, but now that Islam is exposed to Christianity and other beliefs and opinions they can't just shut up with Shariah, you have to change the personality of your God to make him appear more like ours, you should ask yourself why you have to do that, why you have to twist the verses to make him appear more like YHWH.

Peace.

PS: this is true love:

Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Aqeel A

That's a good question, because you could accept this fight between brothers if they have become really bad and twisted towards them and other people, so the rightous one in front of the eyes of the father is commanded by him to kill the others 2, when the fathers knows they will not change and even in that case with pain in his heart. But in this case (Islam) we have a father (Allah), who deceives 2 of their sons (let's say Jews and Christians, because the quran actually say he deceive us to believe in what we believe), but even being deceived, we are not twisted and totally evil, we try to serve God the best we can (considering it was him who allowed his word being corrupted, meaning torah and inyil), and yet he tells the other son (muslim) to hate us, kill us, torture us, crucify us, slave our people, rape our women, etc. Then you wonder how come the muslim son is the good son? when he is the one who is actually twisted, and also you wonder why the father decided to deceive the other 2 sons so the muslim son could kill them and do all those evil deeds to them. If the other 2 sons are the bad, the corrupted, the evil, why is it the muslim son is the one allowed to kill, slave, rape, steal, lie, marry little kids, torture, etc etc.

I hope you think about this, and my advice to you is also the same Samatar gave you, "read the quran" and the tafsir, and you will see how evil it is, but if you want to notice it even more, read also the Bible, read at least one of these books: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and if you are yet interested read romans or Hebrews. May God open your eyes and be saved by his love and grace.

Michael said...

Hi Arrow,

No I'm not Muslim but when I ask my Muslim friends about this verse they give a different meaning of the verse (that Allah everyone including those who reject his message). I'm refreshed to hear your straight forwardness that the verse means what it says. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Arrow,

Are you kidding?

Ever hear what Martin Luther thought about your prophet it's really funny.

Luther believed that Muhammad was the first born child of Satan. It can't get any better than that.

Arrow said...

Dear Michael,

No I'm not Muslim

I know you're not, but you thought I am.

Nevermind.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@_

Sorry let me make my question more specific. Does Yahweh love ALL unbelievers?

You said:

"Samatar let me take you to school. You see when the old testament speaks of God hating people, it's putting it in words we can understand.

God doesn't hate like we do. Our hatred is sinful. YHWH's hatred is perfect. "

I don't quite see your point. I never argued that God's hatred of certain humans is sinful like the way we hate other people. My point is that the Bible said that God hated or did not love certain people. You haven't adressed this point.

@Christo Te Ama

My previous posts display my position. God extends his love to everyone, except for those who turn his/her back on him. So obdedient muslims (jinns and humans), children, and those who have not heard the message of Islam are not under the umbrella of those who God does not love. Rather, those who have heard his true and clear message, but choose to rebel or oppose it are the ones who God does not love. You have heard the message of Islam in its true form and because you choose to reject it, God does not love you. Just like Satan who disobeyed God. Now I must ask though, what is your issue exactly. Would you really expect God to love you after you have committed the worst possible sin (i.e. associating partners with him). The problem with christians is that they separate the action of sinning from the sinner. Remember, there is a reason the sinner is getting punished and not the sin. Do those who reject and abandon God's love deserve to still be loved?

Anonymous said...

Looks like Samatar is on the run again.

Anonymous said...

Samatar,

Yes, YHWH loves EVERYBODY Christian or not. However, he doesn't love everybody the same.

Once again Samatar you have to read the bible as a whole.


Unknown said...

@ Samatar
Not sure if you have children, but whether you do or not, if they sin or do wrong I'm sure u punish them but never the less I'm sure u love them no less? Are you saying ur love is greater than God? God is Love in it's purest form, we are his creation. He as a prefect judge must punish us 4 our sins just as u punish ur children but because his love 4 us is unwavering he gave his only begotten son that we may be saved!

Anonymous said...

I think Samatar's problem is the fact that scripture says God hates the wicked/ sinners but the new testament says God loves his enemies ie the wicked/sinners.

I guess Samatar thinks these poses a problem for the bible.

Remember Samatar love and hate are not mere feelings but are also actions.

Anyway, crusader made a good point. Samatar have you ever been angry or felt hatred for somebody that you love?

Samatar Mohamed said...

@coptic

"Not sure if you have children, but whether you do or not, if they sin or do wrong I'm sure u punish them but never the less I'm sure u love them no less"

That is a good point on surface level but not if you really think about it. As a parent, when you punish your child or children, the reason is so they learn from their errors and don't make the same mistake again. So although, you are punishing them, you are actually helping them in avoid any harm in the future because of their actions. So clearly the reason for punishing them is out of love and the intent is good. But when God throws unbelievers in the hell fire, this is no discipline that would help unbelievers in the future. There is no good that comes out of burning in the hell fire forever. Therefore, the argument may seem strong on surface level, but not when you analyze the analogy you provided.

@_

Have you even read the verses I showed you. Lets see Romans 9, verses 13 to 15.

13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

15 For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”


You clearly see that YHWH says he loved Jacob, but he hated Esau. Unless you are trying to pervert the passage, God is saying he loved Jacob, but he did not love Esau. Are you trying to tell me that hate does not mean "not loving". How do you define hate. hate is described as an extreme form of "dislike" against someone or something. To say that God loved Esau after the clear evidence is just you being biased because you are a christian. Your only other choice would be to agree to the obvious meaning of the verse, therefore, implying that the God of the bible does not love everyone after all.

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Samatar

You said: "those who have heard his true and clear message, but choose to rebel or oppose it are the ones who God does not love."

So he doesn't love us, that's what we are talking about, he despises us and even call us the worst of creatures, in the other hand my God loves you samatar even when you deny to believe in his son sacrifice, his words in the Bible, his Justice, so David Wood is right when he says that Allah's love is a low love as Jesus said, because he will only love me if i love him first, but if i refuse to love him, he hates me, i think that's a big difference between the IMperfect love of your god and our God, and that's what this is all about, we want muslims to notice how deficient is Allah's love, i.e I give a clear message to my son : "Don't go to that party" but he doesn't hear me and go anyway, SO I DONT LOVE YOU ANYMORE YOU BAD SON!!! i will only love him when he has a good behavior... i think that anyone would notice that there is a big fail in the love Allah has for us.I think that would answer this question you made to me : "Would you really expect God to love you after you have committed the worst possible sin (i.e. associating partners with him)." Even more considering it was your God who made Christianity (trinitarian) to take the upper hand, and be victorious, It was your God who decided to let his "other words" (bible and torah) be corrupted according to muslims (not the Quran), so he is the one who made us like this and now he hates us and despises us for believing in his corrupted words..

Then you said:
"The problem with christians is that they separate the action of sinning from the sinner".

How did you get to this conclusion?, we all know we are sinners, we don't say "there is a sin living inside me" we say WE ARE SINNERS, and that's exactly why we need Jesus, Samatar if we had take time to understand what you muslims believe, why at this point you don't know such obvious beliefs of our Christian faith?... But we do separate hate the sin from hating the sinner, you are a sinner in front of God, but you decide what sin is worst and what is not, and that simply makes you hypocrite.. i hate the sin of homosexuality but i will never hate the homosexual, i hate the sin of adultery but i won't hate the adulterer BECAUSE JESUS DIDN'T and those sins are commited against him not me, and even so he loved them!!

Cristo Te Ama said...

@Samatar
Then you said:

"Remember, there is a reason the sinner is getting punished and not the sin. Do those who reject and abandon God's love deserve to still be loved?"

So let me understand this, if i punish my little kid because he tried to put his finger close to the electricity or the oven, IT'S BECAUSE I HATE HIM? or it's because i love him and i know that if he keeps doing that he might one day DIE? and that happens even when i am not quite sure if he will eventually die for this, but GOD knows very well that if i keep doing some stuffs i will DIE (spiritually or even Physically), also "the sin" being punished does not make sense at all, you just have some strange idea about our beliefs that again i recommend you to take time to know what we actually believe and why we believe it.

About if those who abandon God deserve to be loved, my answer is: We all have abondoned God at some point of our lifes, wheater in the middle of our problems, or in rage, or in skepticism, ignorance, but God knows we are weak in our flesh and that's why He sent his spirit, because he loves us. Also i recommend you to read the story in the bible about "the Lost Son" in Luke 15:11-31, that will give you the clear Biblical answer from our God.

Ps: Look just how much our God loves humanity that even when we all were away from him, he sent his son so we all could be saved (John 3:16)
PS2: The way you so easily despise the people who "abandon God" shows us how low is the love the quran teach you for humanity, i.e David Wood used to be atheist, even when he knew about the Bible, so our God according to you should've hated him a lot because of that, yet our God even at that moment loved him because he knew he was lost in his own skepticism, but he finally opened his eyes and now he is being used by God so others can see the truth, the difference between YHWH and Allah behviour is that YHWH loved David all the time, but Allah would've only loved David now, but before that he hated him...

Peace.

Anonymous said...

Samatar,

Once again you have to read the bible as a whole.

God loves Esau but in comparison to Jacob he hates Esau. No, this is not a play on words but a rational inference.

Samatar go to "gotquestions.org" and search for the article "Does god love everyone or just Christians."

It may help with this matter. Plus you can search for other topics. It's a really good site for all seekers. I like and agree with the way it is put there.

YHWH loves all men the same. However, to those that believe in Jesus he extends his love further.

Blessings.



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Anonymous said...

God's 'hate' is better described as abhorance, disgust and anger at sin and crime.

"Esau I have hated" refers to God's rejection of the notion of physical descent as a critera for being selected for salvation. Salvation is for all.

There is neither Jew nor Greek [Gentile], there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christs, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3: 28, 29

This promise (not according to the flesh) from God was already established from the beginning in Genesis; because even the Jews are Gentile on the mother's side...

Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah as wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian... Genesis 25:20

...so they, and the descendents of Ishmael, also cannot recieve the promise according to the flesh.

In other words physical descent from Abraham is of no benefit for our adoption by God. The adoption is by promise, not flesh and blood descent.

...nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham... That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. Romans 9:7, 8

Salvation is based on a promise to all, not on the blood line of a few, especially since...

He has made from ONE BLOOD every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth... Acts 17:26

Prasanna said...

@Samatar,

Does the true God punish sinners/unbelievers/wrongdoers in hell? I suppose we both agree that He does! However, the question that distinguishes YHWH of the Bible from Allah of the Quran is as follows....

Does the Quranic Allah love the sinners/unbelievers/wrongdoers? If so where does the Quran says so?

The God of the Bible does love the sinners/unbelievers/wrongdoers despite what they are because of what He is. That's what the Bible says so...

1. Romans 3:9-26
2. John 3:16
3. Romans 5:5-8
4. 2Peter 3:9
5. Ezekiel 18:23
6. Ephesians 2:1-7

Peace!

Prasanna said...

@Samatar,

All human beings, except infants and children, have committed sins knowingly and willfully in defiance of God's commands in one way or the other.

God is love or loving or merciful by His very nature. That's why to begin with He Himself took the initiative to help save the sinners/unbelievers/wrongdoers. The true word of God the Bible makes it clear and gives categorical statements about this truth.

The Quran being of purely human origin fails to measure up to the Bible which is the true word of God in this area! In fact, the Quran introduces Allah as the one who 'creates many men FOR hell!' (Sura 7:179) This is a clear indication of the human origin of the Quran in its description of God. Muhammad with ulterior motives and having lack of the true knowledge of the true God who is holy, just and love gave verses like this!

Peace!

Prasanna said...

@Samatar,

I need to ask you two more questions in this context. Does the Quranic Allah love those whom he creates for hell according to sura 7:179? If so, does that mean the Quranic Allah creates them for hell because he loves them so much?

Anonymous said...

There is ONE God ... Jesus is not the 'son' of God nor does Jesus claim this. Paul has destroyed the Gospels, please refer to Jesus's teachings, not Paul's.

Murtadd said...

@Af Sha

You are so quick to throw your peas in the pot without
proper references.

Can you give me ONE witness that can confirm that muhammed indeed received his revelations from YOUR allah.

Also, please bring your evidence to substantiate your "claim".

If you are interested, ill prove to you that we DON'T worship the same GOD.
While you at it, can you please tell me why you still follow islam when muhammed himself confessed to fabricating your quran. See Tabari 6:111.

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ.
murtadd.wordpress.com

kingramses94 said...

You assume that loving means un-conditional love.

Nuff said!

Unknown said...

First off, everyone is created pure according to the Qur'an. Many try to present other religions through the lenses of their own. In Islam, they say Allah does not love first because Allah loves those who do good deeds and are pure. They maybe assuming that people are born sinners in Islam like in Christianity. However, this is not a tenant of Islam. So a person has to go astray first because Allah created man in the most excellent way.

Unknown said...

ALLAH IS SATAN, HERE IS THE PROOF


Luke 4:5 Then the devil ( allah/satan ) took him up into a high mountain, and shewed him all the
KINGDOMS of the world, in the twinkling of an eye.

6 And the devil ( allah/satan ) said unto him, All this power will I ( allah/satan ) give thee, and the glory of
those KINGDOMS; for that is delivered to me, ( allah/satan ) and to whomsoever I
( allah/satan ) will, I ( allah/satan ) give it.

7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, ( allah/satan ) they shall be all thine.


Surah Ale-Imran 3:26. Say (O Muhammad ): "O ALLAH! Possessor of the KINGDOMS, You give the kingdom to whom You will, and You take the kingdom from whom You will, and You endue with honour whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will.
In Your Hand is the good. Verily, You are Able to do all things.



Rev. 11:15 And the seventh Angel blew the trumpet, and there were great voices in
heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are our Lord’s, and his Christ, and
he shall reign for evermore.

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, Lord God almighty, Which art, and Which wast,
and Which art to come, for thou hast received thy great might, and hast OBTAINED THY KINGDOM.

Jesus does not retain the kingdoms of the Earth, UNTIL, He rains on Earth AT THE END.

anonymus said...

Muslim bible doesnt really doesnt support nonmuslim supporters...in 5:32 koran :that whoever kills a humanbeing for other than manslaughther or curruption of land it shall be as if he killed all mankind.......so killing someone for curruption of land/earth is permitted......nonmuslims are not considered innocent in koran but satan according to:45:31.........koran doesnt include statement that forbids killing of nonmuslim but says its muslim duty to go angaint nonbeliever since thede seened as corruption

nour said...

I would like to respond to Baron Eddie regarding the issue about SATAN becoming a Muslim and helping the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Hello sir, well, here is the issue, you actually either misunderstood the Hadith or you changed the word Satan so that it would serve your agenda ;) because the original Hadith states CLEARLY that

"There is not one of you who does not have a jinn appointed to be his constant companion. They (companions) said: "And you too, Oh Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Me too, but Allah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good."

OBVIOUSLY the Hadith doesn't say Satan, but it says jinn, the word jinn in Arabic means "demons" not satan, therefore the Hadith says that Allah helped the prohpet Muhamed (pbuh) convert his own demon to Islam NOT SATAN!! So don't try to play with the words please, and if you even know anything about the English language you will know that a demon doesn't mean the same thing as satan. However, satan was always an infidel, not because he disbelieves in Allah (swt), but because he refused to submit to Allah's order by prostrating to Adam (PRIDE).

Don Dan said...

So if the Christian God/Jesus, lives the righteous and the righteous then why would he throw people who don't believe in him into hell, that doesn't sound like much love to me.
Frankly, it sounds exactly like Islamic God, both deities will cast you into hell if you don't proclaim their tenets of belief

Life born to live for Jesus Christ said...

Get to know the heart of the God of His Son, Jesus Christ, whom is called Love and you will see the Islamic God and the Christian God are diametrically opposed. The God of Jesus Christ is the God who actively reaches out to us daily when we are still sinners and is always trying to get our attention to deliver us from hell. That is love. Whereas the Islamic God never once from within our hearts helps us in our sinful ways.

Jhughes said...

Allah loves no one not even himself. Allah is the red dragon the devil and Satan who is a bright colorful fallen angel with a deceptively beautiful voice speaking no truth at all. He fooled Mohammed into thinking he was Gabriel. Gabriel is kind, gentle and thoughtful. He would not terrify people choking them like that deceiver in the cave.

Unknown said...

I've read thru the articl and comments what struck me was Q3:31. Maybe off the point. It seems to me allah had doubt in muhaamad. If he was the selected prophet by allah. Why would allah still say. "If you turn from islam" my 2nd point is saw an article of a 2000 year old barnabas bible denying the crucifix. identical to the kuran. So where did muhammad came about that revelation and who gave it to him.

Unknown said...

The best logical and rational answer can be find itself in Quran 5:18 But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

Unknown said...

@ Samatar Mohamed

If we are all servants, than submitting changes nothing.

If we are free children of God, than submitting is everything.

You do not worship God, you worship a text. The God of your text doesn't deserve worship. The God of the Bible humbles a man with love, not fear.

Therefore I submit to God and his love. I pray for your eyes to see and your heart to open.

God is awesome. If your text doesn't reveal an awesome God, instead just a powerful God, it is not God.

Search for God because nothing else will matter soon. Find him or lose him forever.

In the name of our Holy Father pray, amen.

Unknown said...

@ My fellow Man, who are all children of God

We all put the horse before the carriage sometimes, in this life. We think we must. We believe we must know things. This gets us into trouble.

We did not come here to learn to define God. Won't he do that for us when we see him? We are in his image and yet nothing like him.

Transformation is our reason for this life. To transcend this creation the way God does.

Here is were we put the cart first though. To learn who God is and what his love his, you must experience it. Has anyone that relationship with God?

Why then are we defining a love that only God actually knows?

We can only know what we have experienced; everything else is faith.

Faith is so beautiful to God and yet we often choose to operate on assumptions.

Here is one of the few things we have yet to experience but still we know will happen.

We will die.

Still I do not understand death, not really.

This is because it is something I have not yet experienced.

What we should stop thinking is that we can comprehend in a meaningful way what God really feels and thinks.

If you cannot operate without that knowledge, study Jesus. Jesus was the embodiment of God on earth. If you want to know what God love is, read the new testament and study the new covenant.

The new covenant tells us everything we NEED to know.

Put the horse first and start with separating what we know from what we THINK we know.

Forget what you think you know and then start the process. You can't learn if you already know everything.

We came here to transform into something more. We are not there yet and that is okay. God has a plan and its bigger than any of us can see. Know that. Stop fighting, worship God and he will show you your path.

You will die. God won't. We will be judged by our creator. Not all of us will be saved. There is infinite love in God and that is why he gives us the separation we seek if we so choose. God loves us so much, he will even let us go if we choose, even if it wasn't what he wanted for us.

So my answer to your question is that all of God's creations are loved by him in the true meaning of the word love.

But if you want to change the meaning of the word love and ask does God have warm fuzzies for sinners, you should just ask him.

God has an open door policy meaning you can talk to him at any time. If he doesn't give you the answer you want, that might be because we rarely see things the way he does.

Lastly, my question about your question. How does it matter who God has warm fuzzies for?

God says nothing of that being a determinant for anything at any point.

It is my belief that we fight for nothing, we hurt in the name of good, and live completely lost while knowing everything all along.

Worship God. There is nothing else. Come to him. There is nothing he gets more warm and fuzzy about than that. That's my guess at least. I hope I am not wrong.

Unknown said...

@ My fellow Man, who are all children of God

We all put the cart before the horse sometimes, in this life. We think we must. We believe we must know things. This gets us into trouble.

We did not come here to learn to define God. Won't he do that for us when we see him? We are in his image and yet nothing like him.

Transformation is our reason for this life. To transcend this creation the way God does.

Here is were we put the cart first though. To learn who God is and what his love his, you must experience it. Has anyone that relationship with God?

Why then are we defining a love that only God actually knows?

We can only know what we have experienced; everything else is faith.

Faith is so beautiful to God and yet we often choose to operate on assumptions.

Here is one of the few things we have yet to experience but still we know will happen.

We will die.

Still I do not understand death, not really.

This is because it is something I have not yet experienced.

What we should stop thinking is that we can comprehend in a meaningful way what God really feels and thinks.

If you cannot operate without that knowledge, study Jesus. Jesus was the embodiment of God on earth. If you want to know what God love is, read the new testament and study the new covenant.

The new covenant tells us everything we NEED to know.

Put the horse first and start with separating what we know from what we THINK we know.

Forget what you think you know and then start the process. You can't learn if you already know everything.

We came here to transform into something more. We are not there yet and that is okay. God has a plan and its bigger than any of us can see. Know that. Stop fighting, worship God and he will show you your path.

You will die. God won't. We will be judged by our creator. Not all of us will be saved. There is infinite love in God and that is why he gives us the separation we seek if we so choose. God loves us so much, he will even let us go if we choose, even if it wasn't what he wanted for us.

So my answer to your question is that all of God's creations are loved by him in the true meaning of the word love.

But if you want to change the meaning of the word love and ask does God have warm fuzzies for sinners, you should just ask him.

God has an open door policy meaning you can talk to him at any time. If he doesn't give you the answer you want, that might be because we rarely see things the way he does.

Lastly, my question about your question. How does it matter who God has warm fuzzies for?

God says nothing of that being a determinant for anything at any point.

It is my belief that we fight for nothing, we hurt in the name of good, and live completely lost while knowing everything all along.

Worship God. There is nothing else. Come to him. There is nothing he gets more warm and fuzzy about than that. That's my guess at least. I hope I am not wrong.

Unknown said...

@ Hate

Why do you think we experience so much more about hate than love?

Do you believe God loves you sometimes and hates you others?

If Mohamed believed in Jesus, how come he didn't follow him?

What sin is greater than denying the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit exist in and with God and Jesus. Satan denied the Holy Spirit and was cast from Heaven.

This act of "anger" could only be in anger if there was also love.

When the twin towers came down there was horror in our hearts. The act itself was demonic. But we were also angry because we knew many lives were taken. Had I no love of life, I wouldn't have been angered as much.

God was betrayed by his most beautiful of creations. Surely God knew this would happen and that it must come to pass in order to achieve his design. But still it would seem that he would not have created something only to hate it. That is an interesting thought, but difficult to support.

When my Dog chews my carpet and walls to destruction, I am forced to act. The way I act could be interpreted as angry (I am) but I simultaneously love him. How?

Because my love doesn't go away just because he didn't do as I commanded. Pay checks work that way, God doesn't.

God also doesn't see your life as a struggle to get to heaven. There is not a checklist of things to do to get there. Again, that would be more like a Job, not God.

If you want to understand God, stop thinking you are God. Stop thinking the use of words that mean worship can replace real worship.

Because I worship God, I know I am a sinner. Because I know I am a sinner I submit to the one that loves me despite that. Perfection is a word we use a lot, yes God is perfect, but we have no idea what perfect is. Have you seen it? Describe it to a T now. Can't? Think about why we don't know that. Think about why all we have is an idea that varies from person to person. It is because it is a concept, not a definition.

If you have hate in your heart, it is taking up space that God would like to fill with his love.

Let God worry about who to hate, you worry about loving God and he will do the rest. He is God after all, he doesn't actually need you to do anything.

Unknown said...

One more thing,

God does not love me because I love him.

I love God because he loves me.

I didn't love him first.

Are you so egotistical that you believe you control God's love?

Are you so egotistical that you believe you control God in anyway?

Read the covenant God has made with us and know the truth of God's love.

Unknown said...

http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/did-god-really-forsake-jesus-christ-on-the-cross

This link is to a short video that looks at Jesus's last words.

I always wondered why Jesus said that God had forsaken him.

Now that I know, I want you to know what Jesus was telling us.

The short clip removes doubt that Jesus is THE Messiah.

Know your King and Savior, he has infinite titles, but only 1 name.

Jhughes said...

Here is the thing: There is no love in Allah. Allah is a fake god. His laws do not teach people to love people.His laws tech people to kill those that are not in name a Muslim. That self destructive. There is nothing constructive in that command. It was not Gabriel in the cave with Mohammed. It was Allah up to his deceptive tricks forcing Mohammed to recite. Allah looks like this beintg Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:13:Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
2 Corinthians 11:14:And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. That being fools souls departed from the body to end them to his prison.1 Peter 3:19:. 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing.
Jahanna is the devils prison not heaven at all. Jesus, the physical manifestation of God who had blood in him for a short time.

Jhughes said...


edited;

Here is the thing: There is no love in Allah. Allah is a fake god. His laws do not teach people to love people. His laws teach people to kill those that are not in name a Muslim. That is self destructive. There is nothing constructive in that command. It was not Gabriel in the cave with Mohammed. It was Allah up to his deceptive tricks forcing Mohammed to recite. Allah looks like this being Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:13:Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
2 Corinthians 11:14:And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. That being fools souls departed from the body to end up in the devils prison.1 Peter 3:19:. 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing.
Jahanna is the devils prison not heaven at all. Jesus is the physical manifestation of God who had blood in him for a short time.

Unknown said...

Many of us people cannot imagine the immense love God has for us and sacrifice it took to let His Son die on the cross. He is the creator of the universe and former of the stars. We are so small and insignificant in comparison to His creation, and yet so loved by Him. Jesus lives inside of every believer. 1 John 4:10 says "In this is love, not that we have loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins". Romans 5:8 states "But god shows His love for us that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us".
Tonights talk hinges on the phrase that : Jesus loves you. It might seem really simple, something we heard. But what can be more impressive and that would top out the reality that JESUS LOVES YOU. I don't know, if you love him or not? But I love the fact that Jesus decided what He was going to do, before you decided what you were going to do. Some of you are still thinking about it. Thats okay. He's not! Some of you are still in process. He's not in process. Some of you don't believe he loves you. Some of you haven't received yet that he loves you. Not stopping Him. Some of you cannot imagine comprehend fathom that someone like you a husband, a wife, a son, a mother, a child, a friend, at workplace someone told you that you were "unlovable"and you believed that. And that's defined you and it has cast an identity for you? So when someone says Jesus loves you, you find it hard to believe "My parents dint, my boyfriend dint , my husband dint, my wife dint, my neighbour dint, this person dint they dint, so I know if they dint, He probably doesn't either". I am here to tell you tonight that there is a cross spanning history and eternity and it is an I Love You that is brighter than the sun. You are loved by Jesus Christ tonight. Madly passionately deeply intimately eros-ly pursuing relentless unstoppable determined unending bottomless sure unshakable Love. Every way you can possibly be loved.
Humanity needs to be soaked in the belief, awareness and experience that they are loved by the Son of the living God. Let me tell you about the God who is madly in love with you. You can't always depend on love expect for the love of Jesus Christ because I cannot promise you if you would be loved your whole lifetime. With Jesus, You'll be loved every day your on this planet every hour you exist every moment you breath. His love is unshakable because He is unshakable. He is supreme and sufficient in every single way. All things were created by Him. You are the dream and conception of God. You were a dream in His mind and He decided to create you and love you. You were made for Jesus. Colossians 1:16 "All things were created through Him and for Him". Your lover created everything. He breath out stars. He spoke and the world lit up. Isaiah 40:26 "Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one and calls forth each of them by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing". The creator of the universe is here to tell you that He Loves You. We are so small, yet so loved. So tiny, yet so priced.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjSio8jur2Y
This documentary based on John 3:16 The story of Love, which truly explains the heart of our loving God. So blessed are we to be His children.
You are loved so deeply. God cares for us and longs for us to talk to him. Pray bodly to Him and He never let you go.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcqria2wmg

Jhughes said...

Allah loves no one. Allah is a liar. Allah is the one impersonating Gabriel in the cave with Muhammad.

Sojourner said...

Proverbs 25:11 - "A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver."

Somehow, barbed remarks towards the lost does not exactly fit this verse.

David Wood said...

Wow! I'm not sure how you can bear to read the Bible, since Jesus, Paul, Peter, and others made numerous "barbed remarks" against the lost. But perhaps you've edited those out of your Bible.

Unknown said...

@Baron Eddie
The hadith you are talking about never mentions Satan. But i'll let Mr.Wood explain it to you since he is an expert on Islam and a seeker of truth. He should have told you that you misunderstood the word kareen as Satan.

wheatington said...

I was buying a new Koran every month because they keep changing it! I'm going to wait a year or two now.

Jhughes said...

Allah loves no one including himself. Allah is not who people think. That being thinks he hides in the dark. It was that being who said recite to Muhammad. It is he who demands worship. It is He that makes Blasphemy be everything but against the Holy spirit. It is He that demands death when a person does b not bow to him. It is He that calls us a blood clot. God who made us would not say such a thing. IT is He that made the universe the way it is. God did not make Gas clouds. God the Father was one with Jesus. Who else could Jesus be?

Satan is not what art depicts. 2 Corinthians 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. This is a more detailed transcription of Satan who was called Lucifer before that being rebelled. Ezekiel 28:13:Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
KJV Cambridge edition 1611 or 1900. Satan wants to stand where he ought not to stand on the earth. Get away from him when that being is seen.

Jhughes said...

The Muslims role model is the fly off the handle with the slightest thing Satan.

Jhughes said...

Allah loves no one including himself. Allah is not who people think. That being thinks he hides in the dark. It was that being who said recite to Muhammad. It is he who demands worship. It is He that makes Blasphemy be everything but against the Holy spirit. It is He that demands death when a person does not bow to him. It is He that calls us a blood clot. God who made us would not say such a thing. IT is He that made the universe the way it is. God did not make Gas clouds. God the Father was one with Jesus. Who else could Jesus be?

Satan is not what art depicts. 2 Corinthians 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. This is a more detailed transcription of Satan who was called Lucifer before that being rebelled. Ezekiel 28:13:Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
KJV Cambridge edition 1611 or 1900. Satan wants to stand where he ought not to stand on the earth. Get away from him when that being is seen.

Karla Nunez said...

I'm just very knew to apologetics, and I've following David, Sam, Nabeel, and have watched YouTube debates until my eyes fall off... I've been relocated to India, and now I'm very good friends with a Muslim couple. They are freaking awesome. I am a Christian, and I've found myself questioning my faith a lot. In trying to reach to them, I've began reading the Quran, and learning as much of my faith and theirs so to know how they behave, and why. Anyway, I found this website helpful for the LOVE/HATE regarding Yahweh: http://www.mercifultruth.com/doesgodhate.html
It's long but worth reading. I do however feel that the prove that Yahweh loves even though He "hates"is that Jesus died on the cross. Allah only loves those who follow Mohammad, and that's what I feel everytime I read the Quran. If you reject the prophet, and if you do not have the faith (Islam) then you go to hell.

I guess I just want to say that even tough these sites are great for debate and discussion, there are real awesome muslims people out there whom we can love with the love that Jesus commanded us to do. It's not their fault they do not understand, but maybe we can help them? :)

Revenant said...

Baron Eddie, as to what you say about " 29 names were taken out recently and replaced by new 30 names! " and " for example the number (60)Al-Muhyi = “The Giver of Life” was taken out "

I think you are gravely mistaken or maybe someone tried to make you a fool by telling you something rather out of muslim contexts, I still see that name and I still speak that name because all the 99 names are still as they were before. Nothing is changed and even the name An-Nur isnt changed, I use that name too and I hear it said by so many other muslims even now. So i'd suggest you to stop making some strange self-made lies and put it on us, If you have proof then slam it here on the comments so that we all can see if you opened a "Against Muslims" web or maybe you were bribed to make some amusing comments.. which by the way if anyone wants to learn how to make lies should learn it from you Baron.

Revenant said...

As for David Wood says " But let me make things even more clear for you.

(1) According to Islam, Jesus was a prophet.
(2) Jesus condemned the sort of love exhibited by Allah.
(3) Therefore, Allah can't be the God preached by Jesus. "

1st point is correct yes Jesus was a Prophet who came before Mohammad 571 years before.

2nd point is laughable, You really think Jesus had any kind of authority to condemn anything he was ordered to do, sure he if ever had doubts he asked straight away like Mosses did and others before him did, but they eventually all learned the wisdom of those actions they were told to do. If God told Jesus to tell people to love him and to accept him and to find all the proof they can to challenge against his existence so that he may tell them where they need help in finding the truth and where did they needed explanations, Allah never said he hates non-muslims, right here above if you read about the whole sentence (and not just the one underlined) you will notice it says, "Those who turn away/back" meaning if you found the truth but still didn't investigated further and left or maybe because you knew Islam was true then you later felt like you don't "want" to be part of it despite it being true, *then* Surely Allah hates the non-believers, and why was the word "non-believer" used? because it points to those who "know" Islam is true but still don't want to join it.
So now you tell me, Would you love any man who will stand against and defy you, insult and be sarcastic about your existence when there is so much you do to help them sustain their life and protect them?

and so therefore your third point is also wrong. If I were you, I'd go investigate more.. unless if i was stubborn then I'd say everything this guy(me) said is wrong and is making a bunch of silly objections because "that" is what a response less man would also do. But you're not a response less man, you should really go search some true webs rather some cheap people who are just trying to frame us muslims. If you were framed in your life, then you would know how it feels like to have to explain 0.1 -100.0 everything exact.

Revenant said...

Answer to what David wood said in response to Samatar.

Allah does extends his love for everyone, it's why He never asked us to curse the rest in hell and set your own lives according to the religion, no He was very clear when he said he loves the human race the most and then the Jinns & Angels, because it is said even when a person is a non-believer he still looks after him/her in hopes that he will come and seek out the truth. Allah only hates those who reject his existence knowingly and those who are unjust and transgressors and proud and wrongdoers he also hates those who don't investigate and just live their lives blindly in the world who only crave to be rich and famous and out do not put much thoughts towards "which is the true religion, why is it true, how can it be true, and satisfied all the questions that are general and common sense."

In regards to what you quoted, if you were actually concentrating of what you quoted maybe you wouldn't have made this mistake. The verse is 96 not 46, and if you read the whole chapter then surely you will understand every meaning of every verse written inside, Picking out verses from one chapter and proving us wrong is something "also described in Qur'an of how you people do it." Now on to the verse,
Verse 60
Except those who repent, believe and do righteousness; for those will enter Paradise and will not be wronged at all.
Verse 63
That is Paradise, which We give as inheritance to those of Our servants who were fearing of Allah .
Verse 68
So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.
Verse 69
Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.
Verse 70
Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.
Verse 72
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.
verse 73
And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Which of [our] two parties is best in position and best in association?"
Verse 76
And Allah increases those who were guided, in guidance, and the enduring good deeds are better to your Lord for reward and better for recourse.
Verse 81
And they have taken besides Allah [false] deities that they would be for them [a source of] honor.
Verse 82
No! Those "gods" will deny their worship of them and will be against them opponents [on the Day of Judgement].
Verse 85
On the Day We will gather the righteous to the Most Merciful as a delegation
Verse 88
And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son."
Verse 89
You have done an atrocious thing.
Verse 92
And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.
Verse 93
There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant. (Jesus)
Verse 94
He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting.
Verse 95
And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone.
Verse 96
Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - the Most Merciful will appoint for them affection

Tell me you do see a match here, He is pointing it towards those who have wronged in this life and have disbelieved knowingly. And yes if you are suspicious about why I skipped some of the verses from between you are more than welcome to search them up and prove me wrong if you find any proof that stands against what I call "truth" I only skipped them to make it to the point and as short as possible. Allah loves all of his creations because he wants them to love him and seek the truth in life rather be seduced by Satan and be damned to hell for eternity.
And If Allah didn't appoint his love for only the believers then he would long ago asked us to kill all non-muslims in his name but he didn't because he doesn't wants any to fall to Satan's seductions or trickery.

Revenant said...

Baron Eddie, To your second post about Satan topic, You seem to have ran out of words or something because what you said is what I have heard of too, infact I was searching for the same thing which surprised me if every man has a Satan but the word Satan is only used for One Satan(Shytan) who disobeyed Allah, These satans have another word for them which some people who dont have the knowledge or are calling them satans since they whisper only evil inside of you.
The true word for them is "Qareen" not Satan, And Qareens are each for every human, they are appointed to whisper bad things in the ears of men and women and are the agents of Satan, Prophet Muhammad's Qareen was converted to Islam by Allah but not even the companions of Muhammad were saved from the Qareens. And Muhammad never sought help from anything or anyone except Allah unless Allah commands it from indirect means like from Gabriel.

Some people, (only muslims) call Qareen as Satan because their overall qualities and actions are exactly that of Satan so they tend not to give them a new name. Since every muslim only needs to know that he has to be careful from all the bad thoughts that Qareen encourages you.
If those books were made for Non-muslims too then surely they'd 'have' to call them by their proper names since it would raise lots of questions and by that I mean it would sound really strange like the one I'm giving reply to.

Revenant said...

In response to Bob's first post of 2012, 1st November:-
Yes Allah is 100% love but he is also just.
So when you say he doesn't hate the Sinners, then you should know that you are wrong. At the moment I'm 100% sure he hates us more than any other of how much we muslims are doing in the world, how much tensions we grow and families we ruin and countries we burn, and how much conflict we create and he knew this time would come, it was written in our Hadith. That one time will come when muslims will kill each other and hurt others but some will still remain in the world who will help and show kindness and be true muslims.
And Yes every muslim who did wrong in this world even if he did wrong with a Satanist shall be casted in the Hells to pay for his sins, it is said that "if you murder one man then you have murdered the entire human race and if you helped one man then you have helped the entire human race."

And as for what you quoted about John 3:16 I don't think thats true since Islam wasn't the name that time, It was Prophet Abraham's Monotheism that all prophets believed in, including Jesus.
This is what I found when searching for
"John 3:16"

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

which is exactly the same as muslims if you exclude the son from the quote because Allah is one and always have been and will be alone.

Jhughes said...

You are right.I am not a response less man. I know what I am talking about. Islamists will become alive when they die to themselves. They will become whole when they are broken. Allah is not the God preached by Jesus. Jesus and the father God are one. They are the same. Allah is loveless. He is Satan saying recite. Gabriel would not say recite to anyone. That being made Muhammad think he was going to die had he not recite. Jesus obeyed the spirit of God in him perfectly. Jesus did not condemn people. Jesus was into saving people. A human cannot do that. Jesus is the truth. Jesus is the word. Why challenge him in anything? Allah is 100% unreliable. He fools people into thinking he is not against non Muslims being exactly that. What do you think an infidel is? Muslims themselves can be seen as an infidel by another Muslim. It can be anything. The way they pray can be enough to give a death sentence. All Allah has is hate. Apostasy gives Allah an excuse to hate people through people. That is what gives Allah joy. Truth in Islam is only a word. There is nothing to support it. You hear the word truth with deafening silence coming after wards. Sustain: All Allah sees is the physical body. He is blind to the soul in others and his own soul. I I do not need the web. I see a sneaky liar in a cave. Who in the heck wants to trust a sneaky liar in a cave? It is wanting directions to go somewhere with a person saying: I know of a liar that will give you directions. People gather around that being stupidly asking that being for directions. That is Islam.

Jhughes said...

A being who behaves and talks like the devil not behaving or talking like Gabriel will tell the truth? you have to be kidding me. Allah hates all that God made. The first thing Allah attacked were the stars God made. That is why we have asteroids and meteors and comets and black holes and neutron stars and pulsars etc, etc. They are the stars looking like rosy paint. People who did wrong will see God's face as the fires of hell. God's son is not like our sons. God becoming like us allowing blood in him. That is the way it it is. That was for a short time.

Unknown said...

There is a common misconception amongst some muslims that we are worshipping the same God. This is an absolute lie. In Luke 9:35 and Matth 3:17 my God acknowledges he has a Son. According to the quraan Q 6:101, Q 72:3 and Q 10:68 allah denies that he has a son. I won't elaborate to much on this, there are many more examples. So NO!!!! We do not worship the same God.

If muslims worship the same God as christians, why are you commanded to kill those who leave islam. 'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith- Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57) If muslims worship the same God as christians, why are they commanded not to take us as friends surah 5:51.

Jhughes said...

Allah cannot have a son because of this. No angel can have a son. Satan would say recite. Gabriel would not do that. This is what Muhammad saw.2 Corinthians 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. This is what Satan looks like in more detail. Ezekiel 28:13:Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
KJV Cambridge edition 1611 or 1900. Satan wants to stand where he ought not to strand standing on the earth. Get away from him when seen.

Unknown said...

Allah is not. Satan. I will not argue with you guys, I hope Allah will guide all of you to the right path. InshaAllah! I recommend you to watch videos of sheik mufti menk and dr zakir. And btw if you have questions about the verses from the Quran, make sure to ask the expert so that youll understand the meaning of it. All of you kept on saying that Allah is like this, Allah is like that but in fact you havent even read the whole Quran. You guys dont even know what is Islam, you just define Islam from what you see on your tv screens or news from the internet BUT to tell you honestly, everything that is shown in the media are just lies. We all worship the same God but we muslims don't consider Jesus as a God. Because According to surah al-masad Allah doesnt have a partner and he doesnt have a child. But christians believe that 1+1+1=1 (God+Jesus+holy spirit=1) and we dont because Allah has no partners. He is the only God. But we all get to choose which religion to believe and follow. I respect that :) May Allah protect us and guide us all.

Jhughes said...

God did not bring death or mortality. God did not make the stars to look like they look. God did not make gas clouds and all of the anomalies in the universe. God did not even want to split the moon. God set everything where he wanted them to be all at once. Allah is Satan not telling the truth. look for the word ""SET". Version (KJV) 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.

Unknown said...

@Rawia
Wow you clearly seem to have the same Ahmed Deedat mentality. No dear we pray that OUR God guide you on the right path. You seem to stuck on a mathematical equation to define the christian trinity concept. Let me school you out of your ignorance.. I dare you to proof this concept as flawed. Do you perhaps know what 1x1x1 adds up to?

Let's look at the Trinity concept of us Christians. Muslims so confidently claim that we worship 3 Gods and not One God. These "experts" (sarcasm) in islam uses the addition of 1+1+1 to arrive at three.

The moment the muslim makes the God head physical they completely lose track of all their faculties. Only muslims can add up a Spirit and arrive at three much to the contradiction of their own quran.

Let's examine this.

In John 4:24 .God is a SPIRIT; and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The SPIRIT of God is an infinite entity and cannot be subtracted, added or diminished. It is a common misconception amongst anti-trinitarians that christians worship THREE gods and is thus guilty of polytheism. A lot of them so confidently argue that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit adds up to three gods.

Although the Trinity is explained as God in three "persons" we must bear in mind that all three are in actual fact SPIRIT.

We must not confuse ourselves to the fact that Jesus Christ was a PHYSICAL being on earth. Jesus is the "Word" in the flesh.
According to John 1:1 we can clearly see that the "Word" is a SPIRIT entity. The "Word" in his CAPACITY as Jesus still retained his divinity and infinity.

At this point we can clearly see that the Trinity or God head is a Spirit being. A Spirit can remain ONE in totality when imparted on believers. The SPIRIT remains singular throughout. When a Spirit is in 100 people they do not say we are filled with the spirits(plural), they correctly say the Spirit(singular). The Spirit although in 100 people did not diminish in itself and still remained ONE singular entity.

In view of the aforementioned, why is it so difficult to accept that the Trinity is God the Father, God the Son and of course God the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine "persons" the Father, the Son (Word) and the Holy Spirit. The three "persons" are distinct throughout the bible yet they are of ONE being. The christian God is in fact ONE but not confined to one.

So as christians we do hold to Deutoronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29, Hear O' Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE. Yes this may come as a surprise to our muslim folks. Our God is ONE but not confined to ONE .

Now let's look at Spirit entity in islam. According to surah 21:91 allah breathed into Mary of his spirit and in surah 32:9 he breathed into mankind of his spirit. Is there now two spirit(s) or more here? The one in Mary, The one in Mankind ( approximately 6 billion people) and the little that allah has left from using it all up. (sarcasm)

Now we ask, did the spirit of allah diminish when he used some of it for mankind, Mary, Adam and others?

The muslim will CLEARLY object to this question and say NO, NEVER.
Well then you share the same concept of a Spirit being as mentioned above. A SPIRIT doesn't diminish at all. Its an infinite being that can impart himself in more than one being and still remain singular (ONE).

In view of this only an absent mind can deduce that christians worship three gods. This is a blatant fallacy.

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ

Unknown said...


@Rawia.... part two

No dear muslimah. You're sadly misguided to believe that we worship the same God. I suggest you read your own quran and hadith more intensely as you have no concept of islam. In fact for a woman to be a muslimah is an insult to her intellect as islam offers woman nothing but misery. Islam approves beating you into submission, you are cursed if you fail to submit to your husband. Your prophet compare you woman to dogs. I have ALL the scripture to back me up. If you want I can post them for you to see what low thinking your own prophet had of you. In fact he said you muslimahs have half the intelligence of a man.

Anyway here why we do not worship the same God...

There is a common misconception amongst some muslims that we are worshipping the same God. This is an absolute lie. In Luke 9:35 and Matth 3:17 my God acknowledges he has a Son. According to the quran Q 6:101, Q 72:3 and Q 10:68 allah denies that he has a son. I won't elaborate to much on this, there are many more examples. So NO!!!! We do not worship the same God.

If muslims worship the same God as christians, why are you commanded to kill those who leave islam. 'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith- Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57) If muslims worship the same God as christians, why are they commanded not to take us as friends surah 5:51.

In conclusion, allah is a liar and a deceiver and you've clearly fallen for his lies. After the quran claims he is the best of deceivers. Didn't your allah supposedly make it appear as if Jesus was crucified so as to lead billions of christians into believing that. Thank goodness we don't believe islam to be the truth at all. Islam is based on the rantings and ravings of one fallible human being named muhammad. This character has no credibility at all.
I'm just curious what will a muslimah get in allahs paradise?

Secondly you're a hypocrite to believe that we all get to choose which religion to believe and follow.
Your as a muslim is commanded to kill us for our religion. According to the quran you have an open mandate to kill all unbelievers until we ALL submit to islam.


Quran (8:39) - "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do."

I hope my God guides you out of the darkness of islam into the light of christianity.

Matthew 5:44- But I say unto you,
Love your enemies, bless them that
curse you, do good to them that hate
you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you;

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ

Jhughes said...

Christians are not worshiping three gods. I never hear that from real Christians or false for that matter. Quran followers are the only ones saying that. Allah is death. We see it. The spirit in Allah is not God being the one who made nebula.

Jesus is Lord said...

@Jhughes So True! - A Case Of Hypocrisy: Muslims are quick to accuses us Christians of worshiping 3 Gods and denying Jesus being the son of God although what they failed to understand is Allah has 3 daughters: Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Manat. It is an incontestable fact that Muhammad was born of pagan parents. His father, Abdullah and his mother, Amina were both pagans and they used to worship many idols. His entire childhood (probably up to his teen) was spent in paganism. To day, many Muhammadans will find it extremely hard to digest this fact. However, Muhammad's pagan origin is disclosed by Hisham ibn al-Kalbi, writes:
'We have been told that the Apostle of Allah once mentioned al-Uzza saying, "I have offered a white sheep to al-'Uzza, while I was a follower of the religion of my people."
(Hisham al-Kalbi, Kitab al-Asnam (Book of Idols) , p.17)
In the statement above Muhammad clearly admits his past adherence to paganism-the then religion of the Quraysh.

Jhughes said...

Interesting information. The Muslim says, read the Quran. When people do that they find what you found. They come back saying: why do you give us hate? Truth has truly been spoken when they say that. They say Allah has no partners having three daughters. Allah Is Satan lying about everything.

Unknown said...

If the Christians say that God loves us all and we will all go to heaven, then why do we still commit sin and why is their such thing as good and evil.. I'll tell you why, let's put religion aside for a second. And view good as God and evil as Satan. If we all did good then we're with God, and if we all do evil then we're with Satan. It's as simple as that. And as a Muslim sister I am so upset to see different religious groups arguing with each other. The way I see it is if your religion preaches GOOD then that's good enough for me. Because good comes from the heart and mind and soul. salamualaikom

Hannah said...

God loves us all, but nowhere in the Bible does He say we are all going to heaven. Those who reject his Son Jesus, his death and resurrection surely are NOT. John 3:18. Jesus also preached more about hell than bout heaven. Jesus also said that no man is good, but YHWH loved us first, and all we need to do is repent of our sins and take up our cross and follow Him. Thru his blood which was shed on the cross that Muslims deny, we can be saved. " No man comes to the Father, but by Me." Read the Bible if you dare. But we careful, sister! The power of God , the Holy Spirit, might convict you and not leave you the way you started out. I pray that God will open your eyes and save youfrom the slippery slope of hell to which those who reject the only Son of God are headed. No. We are not all going to heaven if we don't love God and prove it by doing his will. The road to hell is described as the broad way. It clearly will have more people than the narrow way to heaven. Reject Jesus as God and John 3:18 will apply to you. May Jesus who died for us open your eyes. Remember, He will not force anyone into his presence precisely because He loves us so much.

Jhughes said...

Heaven is Jesus in us. Wicked end up being ashes body and soul. That is all.

Jhughes said...

Allah loves no one. God extends his love on all equally.
Matthew 5:45:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Allah is the unequal devil. 2 Corinthians 11:14: King James Bible
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
◄ Ezekiel 28:13 ► 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

Unknown said...

I appreciate what you're saying but how can I be saved by a religion that is false. and no where in the bible does jesus say 'I am God' and no where in the bible does Jesus say 'worship me' I challenge you to read the bible thoroughly as I have. I love Jesus and I do not deny him. Jesus is a messenger of God (peace be upon him) nothing more, nothing less.
Please do not reply to this message trying to persuade me to enter Christianity because you will surely be wasting your time because my heart is devoted to Allah the most gracious the most merciful. God bless you

Jhughes said...

Satan wanted Jesus to say who he was. The Father in him told Jesus to allow others to say who he was. That is why Jesus meekly said, he that hath seen me hath seen the Father and before Abraham was I am and I and the Father are one and you worship me in vain to the religious people who perverted God’s word. They did that trying to arrest and kill Jesus. This is what Satan looks like.
2 Corinthians 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

That is who Muhammad saw. That is what Allah looks like. There is no mercy in Allah.
This is what Jesus wants us to do and not do
1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together,
and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest , enter into thy closet, and when
thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father
which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly .
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Romans 12:10-1310 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13 distributing to the necessity
of saints; given to hospitality.
Galatians 6:2 2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of
Christ.

Romans 13:10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the
fulfilling of the law. The lusts of the body are what are spoken of in verse 13.
Romans 12:9: Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to
that which is good.
Colossians 3:9: Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place
unto wrath: for it is written , Vengeance is mine; I will repay , saith the
Lord.
James 1:20-2120 forthe wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. 21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness,
Luke 7:43. Simon
answered and said, I suppose that he,
to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.


God wants a changed heart no a cut body part. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16;
Jeremiah 4:4, Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15; Acts 7:51;Leviticus
26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3 >> 30, ROMANS 2:25.
of Galatians 6:15: For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision,
but a new creature.
Philippians 2:12: 12- Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and
trembling.
1 Corinthians 11:15:But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for
her hair is given her for a covering.1 Corinthians 11:14:Doth not even nature itself teach you,
that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1 Corinthians 12: 23And those members of the body, which we
think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our
uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
Isaiah 1:17 :Learn to do well ; seek judgment, relieve the
oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Ephesians 4:26: Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your
wrath.

Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever
things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be
any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

1 Peter 3:11:Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue
it.
1 Timothy 4:4: For every creature of God is good, and
nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1 John 4:8.He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition






Jhughes said...

Jesus saves. God in us saves us. A hum nan cannot save anything. How in the heck can Jesus be a man? Use reason. Jesus is not a boaster. Satan is.

Unknown said...

@Feryel Abib..

1/2

Again the same old muslim mentality claiming that christianity is false without a shred of back up. And no I have no intention to convert you at all since you already suffering from stockholm syndrome badly. Now!! muslimah you claimed that christianity is false because nowhere does Jesus say in the exact words " I'm God" or "worship me" and hope in default that makes islam true. What a hypocrite you are. In fact in your own words you claim Jesus is a prophet, can you show us in the quran in those exact words where Jesus say " I'm a prophet of allah".

I put it to you that islam is a false religion and lacks basic human morals and is especially anti-woman and I won't just talk ill prove it.

First of your own prophet confessed that he fabricated the quran ". Then Muhammad confessed: I ascribed to Allah, what He had not said. (Ibn Sa'd, vol. 1, p. 237). And " I have FABRICATED things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken. (Al-Tabari, vol. 6, p. 111)"

Secondly the quran is not so perfect as you have been indoctrinated to believe muslimah. Ever wondered why the verses of stoning and rajam are not in your quran. A sheep came and ate your quran. Where was allah to protect it as he so marvelously claims. Here's my proof..

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The
Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding
an adult ten times was revealed, and
the paper was with me under my
pillow. When the Messenger of Allah
died, we were preoccupied with his
death, and a tame sheep came in and
ate it." (Hasan)
Ibn Majah 3:9:1944.

Thirdly your own Uthman corrupted the version of muhammads revelation when he burned the quran and added what he believes was the right quran. And NO he didn't burn only those that differed in dialects but in surahs and ayats as well. In fact the copy of the quran that was approved by muhammad via Ubai was disregarded. After all muhammad himself approved Ubai as credible. Here's my proof..

In bukhari 6 : 61 : 510 we can see Uthman ordered his own version of the quran to be copied and burned ALL others copies, WHY. Because he wanted to conceal the different copies of the quran. In bukhari 6 : 61 : 527 Masu'd a reciter of the quran, approved by muhammad didn't agree with Uthman's version of the quran and had his companions conceal their copies of the quran. In bukhari 6 : 61 : 521 Mohammed said you should take the quran from 4 people, one of them Masud. As you can see Masud's copy of the quran differed from Uthman's. Masud's copy was approved by mohammed himself and wasn't used in Uthman's revision. Muslims are now sitting with an Uthmanic quran they claim is the truth. They don't know their "truth" went up in flames under the Uthman caliphate. On this particular subject I have more proof but will omit them as not to clutter... CONTINUES

Unknown said...


@Feryel Abid

2/2

...Fourthly I love how you muslim seems to discredit and proof your own your own allah useless. Every time you say that the christian bible is false then its proves allah is useless as he himself claimed he sent the Torah, Injeel and Zabur. In some case he actually referred you muslims to the previous scripture..

SURAH 10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad],
about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.

In fact if we christians corrupted the bible that we seems to be more powerful then allah because then we have proven that we can change the word of allah and that surah 6:1115 is a total lie.. If we have the false Torah, Zabur and injeel what happened to the original ones. Did allah fail to protect them as well..


Lastly you say so proudly that you're a devout muslimah. Perhaps you can tell us why this is so. What keeps you in islam. What morals do you have that lacks in christianity? It just amazes the mind why you would follow muhammad when he so balatantly say that muslimahs are more stupid then men and that men can beat them..

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826, See also: Sahih Bukhari 2:24:541 and secondly

Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301 and Bukhari 72:715 - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from BEATING her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

I'm also very curious as to what will a pious muslimah get in allahs heaven. The hadith and quran is replete with what men will get but what will you get muslimah?

In conclusion.. When a muslim keeps asking, where does Jesus say "I'm God or where does he say I have two natures". This is the answer to them. Not that they will understand this parable (no pun intended) ...MUSLIM CSI: A muslim man (allah worshipper) commits a heinous crime. The detective finds lots of witnesses, fingerprints, DNA on the crime scene linking him to the crime. When this muslim is arrested the murder weapon is found in his possession. The accused (muslim) appears before a judge along with his lawyer (Another muslim). The accused pleads not guilty. After the case is heard the judge gives the muslim 25 years. The lawyer (another muslim) claims his client is innocent. He ( the muslim lawyer) says to the judge, "can you show me in the docket where my client, says "I'm guilty, I committed the murder". Up to this day the lawyer claims that the court can't give him proof where his client said, "I'm guilty, I committed the crime". Moral of the story: Always follow the evidence.

Perhaps you should take some time to read your quran and hadeeth for yourself

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ.

Unknown said...

Why are all of you Christians being so rude and defensive. The only proof you have shown me is how much hate you have in your hearts.
I have no problem with Christians but it always seems that Christians have a problem with Muslims! at the end of the day we are all on nation regardless to what we believe! religion is meant to be about peace. Not war. So we all should exept that we have different views and beliefs and leave this in the power of God when the time has come. So until that day we should all learn to love rather instead of hate one and other because of our differences.

Jhughes said...

Jesus saves. God in us saves us. A human cannot save anything. How in the heck can Jesus be a man? Use reason. Jesus is not a boaster. Satan is.

Unknown said...

@Feryel Abid.

Nope sorry to burst your bubble muslimah. We are not rude and defensive when we defend our believe against slanderous attacks from the likes of you. The hate and victim claim will not help you in this instance. In fact islam itself is all about hate, killing and subjugation of other people to smart to join it.

You say you have no problem with christians, that might be so but your religion is not in line with your personal opinions. Yes you might be a sincere human being but islam is in conflict with your own personal morals. You are not required by islam to have "no problem" with christians. You as a muslim are required to hate us and not take us even as friends ( surah 5:51).

Again islam is not about peace as you so hopefully believe and islam doesn't require you to "love us" kafirs at all. Islam is the aggressor against other faiths and not the other way around. You are required to fight the kafirs until only islam exist ( Surah 8:39) that means until worlds end dear muslimah. You also kill apostates for leaving islam. You cut off peoples hands and legs, stone them to death. You take captives and rape them and also have no problem making bastards and its all acceptable in islam. ( Sahih Bukhari 3:46:718)

Islam requires you to subject us to dhimmitude and pay humiliation taxes. No dear muslimah seems to me you're in conflict with your own morals and the requirements of islam. As a muslimah islam overrules your personal opinions and thus you should have no problem to stone, kill and hate for allah's sake when required to do so. After all islam itself says that muslims are kind to each other but cruel to unbelievers....

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. -
Quran 48:29

So NO! Islam doesn't require you to love and live in harmony with kafirs. That is purely wishful thinking on your part.



The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr
and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs
dishonours the Muslims : The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling . It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam. Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter No. 163

Perhaps you should take a little more time and study islam for what it really is and not for what you hope it to be.


In Christ, for Christ, by Christ

UberGenius said...

"Snide" doesn't seem like the Christlike tone.

There is much complexity in the development and understanding of Christianity and in Islam. There is equal amounts of disagreement in the proper hermeneutical and exigetically methods of there respective texts. "Proof texting" in either case leads to misrepresentations. Clearly both can't be true but a reasonable discussion might be more fruitful. And would certainly better fulfill Christ's call for his followers to be ambassadors.

Jhughes said...




feryel abid: What rude word did I say? So far people been silent regarding that. Religion that is undefiled is one. It is Jesus in whoever being like he is. Religion being many is a satanic lie. That is a fact. How is that hate?
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Unknown said...

@jhughes lol not you love, you're cool :)

Jhughes said...

Thank you dear one. I love you too. The differences of Quran followers to true Chfristians is too different. Having them around is like having a poisonous whatever in a suit coat not seeing the deadly species. Quran followers need to see the soul killer Lucifer in their book. Their Polonius fangs will drop off when they see that. Sharia will be despised.

Jhughes said...


Thank you dear one. I love you too. The differences of Quran followers to true Chfristians is too different. Having them around is like having a poisonous whatever in a suit coat not seeing the deadly species. Quran followers need to see the soul killer Lucifer in their book. Their Poisonous fangs will drop off when they see that. Sharia will be despised.

Jhughes said...

I am he with more than an angel that is in me. The maker of the universe is in me. God made all things to never die in the beginning. Allah boasts about making what is as we see it. All things die in one way or the other as we see it. How can Allah be God? ISIS people need to know the naked truth. Those that turn from their violent ways will not see God's light as fire not feeing the wrath of God.

Jhughes said...

I am he with more than an angel that is in me. The maker of the universe is in me. God made all things to never die in the beginning. Allah boasts about making what is as we see it. All things die in one way or the other as we see it. How can Allah be God? ISIS people need to know the naked truth. Those that turn from their violent ways will not see God's light as fire not feeling the wrath of God.

Unknown said...

In Romans in state that while we were sinner Jesus died for us and because Muslims refuse to believe that Jesus was the sun of God they deny his crucifixion.

Jhughes said...

The two are connected. Jesus in a person will not deny that Jesus is the Father God that had blood in him. Those that deny that will want Jesus to talk like Satan his enemy. The body is in a sinful state because it dies. Jesus refused to do what devils wanted Jesus to do speaking through devil possessed people. That is what saved us. Jesus laid his life down being God with blood in him. Satan could not put him into his prison. That is why Jesus raissed up from the dead.

masteroftimeuk said...

God is injust unfair, what gives god the right to ruin a child life for his need? He gave us freewill and in islam to use to kill each other on earth for Adam sin.

I feel hurt for he lies for his need, not mine.

I know how job felt when he said i wish i'd never been born.

masteroftimeuk said...

Just to say i 100% know god exist, but his selfishness has left me hurt, what i mean by that is his test, if you listen at the right time in your life you can hear god, i did 100% he said to the angel his wealth, which i never seen, his working life my sins and the day i die.

Due to the test of god(Allah)i never lived and because of his action he has endanged my life. From my point of veiw god need to start listening to people because all i see is suffering for his image.

Jhughes said...

God is calling out all the time, but that voice will stop at one point in time. No one will be saved after that point in time. There will be suffering on this planet that has sin on it. God is long suffering in us. Allah instructs people to strike out. God is not like that. People who are like Jesus will be in his kingdom. we need to be good to people now to be good to people forever. Many have that backwards. Allah teaches people to get that backwards.

Jhughes said...

God saves the soul who loves others refusing to work ill to others. Islamic law is not fair. That law is born of Satan. Allah is Satan lying about Satan and everything else. Allah was in Cain having him kill Able. Allah is not God. God did not create Satan. Sin would be forever had that be true.

Dave said...

Let me keep this simple after five or six years of arguing on here. God is God no matter what you call him or her or it the human experience is entirely up to the individual. When God creates us and we exit the womb we are pure and innocent. Our experiences in life can take us and directions that are not impervious to fault and go against the purity of God. Can't wait all just understand The basic pretenses of all religion is to do right for each other and sacrifice our time and energy doing good in the eyes of our Creator. Instead we argue, go to war, kill and torture each other. We somehow place those actions in our minds as just somehow believing in words written books created not by God but by man. Why can't we just cast these novels aside and believe in the purity which is so basic and easy to understand we are born to do the right thing if we put our minds to it.

Jhughes said...

Jesus is one. Religon is therefore one in whoever being like Jesus. Many religions is a lie. Satan has a torturuious prison. He likes working through people to do here what is done there. Jesus in the mind will have us do the right thing. That is the only way. Muslims making Jesus a man makes that to not be possible.

Unknown said...

A nice topic brought by David

does Allah really like the Disbelievers ???

Quoting A single verse Doesn't represent Allah is not love able let us see the whole expression of those verses.......

before Quoting only Sura 30:31 verse You should Quote 30 to understand the whole Expression...

(3:30) The Day is approaching when every
soul shall find itself confronted with
whatever good it has done and whatever evil
it has wrought. It will then wish there is a
wide space between it and the Day! Allah
warns you to beware of Him; He is most
tender towards His #servants.


we all are His servants....


The same for sura Ar Rum plzzz Let us see the expression here also

30:41
Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers): Travel in
the land, and see the nature of the consequence
for those who were before you! Most of them
were idolaters. (42) So set thy purpose resolutely
for the right religion, before the inevitable day
cometh from Allah. On that day mankind will be
sundered- (43) Whoso disbelieveth must (then)
bear the consequences of his disbelief, while
those who do right make provision for themselves
- (44) That He may reward out of His bounty
those who believe and do good works. Lo! He
loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).


first of all this verse particularly talk about The hereafter and Allah won't give reward to the non Muslim on the day of Judgment.... that's clear



In fact Allah love His creation including us and Non muslim....


let us see Quranic verse

[39:54] Say, “O My servants who have committed
excesses against their own souls! despair not of
the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins.
Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.


Allah is loveable and forgives those who ask forgiveness


God of bible condemns others


“Therefore the curses and sworn judgments
written in the Law of Moses, the servant of
God, have been poured out on us, because
we have sinned against you. You have
fulfilled the words spoken against us and
against our rulers by bringing on us great
disaster. Under the whole heaven nothing
has ever been done like what has been done
to Jerusalem . Just as it is written in the
Law of Moses, all this disaster has come on
us , yet we have not sought the favor of the
Lord our God by turning from our sins and
giving attention to your truth. The Lord did
not hesitate to bring the disaster on us, for
the Lord our God is righteous in everything
he does; yet we have not obeyed him. –
Daniel 9:9-14.


phraim’s glory will fly away like a bird— no
birth, no pregnancy, no conception. Even if
they rear children, I will bereave them of
every one. Woe to them when I turn away
from them! I have seen Ephraim, like Tyre
planted in a pleasant place.
But Ephraim will bring out their children to
the slayer.”
Give them, Lord—what will you give them ?
Give them wombs that miscarry and breasts
that are dry. “Because of all their
wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there .
Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive
them out of my house. I will no longer love
them ; all their leaders are rebellious.
Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered,
they yield no fruit. Even if they bear
children, I will slay their cherished
offspring. ” – Hosea 9:11-16

Unknown said...

Quran and bible both are books inspired from god , first of all you people should learn to love each other and then to understand the love of god.

Unknown said...

As a theist rather than as a "Muslim" or "Christian" the argument seems to be about interpretation of what is said in the Bible and the Quran. For eg. Genesis 19:33 about the first born laying with their father- to grossly misinterpret it would mean having sex with her father although multiple interpretations of that word can be discerned. In this case Allah does not love the unbelievers. The question is unbeliever of what or unbeliever of whom? If for eg. It states that He loves those who do good and hates the unbelievers would it not mean that it represents a person unbelieving that doing good has no merit in our existence it does not specifically state that God hates non-Muslims. Another eg are passages which mention O people of the book - which refers to Christians and Jews and passages that exclaim muslimin and muslimat. Mukminin and mukminat. Those are passages which refers to those who do good are loved by Allah/God thoroughly as well. This is an examination of a passage which is taken out of context.

Jhughes said...

Genesis 19:33 Was lots daughters getting Lot drunk so he did not know what was happening when his daughters had sex with him. Allah does not know what love is. Allah has conditional love which is not love at all. A being like that does not know what a good deed is.

Unknown said...

I just wanted to add that, as a matter of fact, Jesus DID say that He is God. Please refer to Mark 14:60-63.

Jhughes said...

Yes. Jesus was humble about him being God visually seen. Saying I am is saying he is God. Jesus is God with blood in him for a short time.

Nathan Murados said...

The most loving act of eternity is described in Romans 5:8, “But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Anyone who ignores God’s love, who rejects Christ as Savior, who denies the Savior who bought him (2 Peter 2:1) will be subject to God’s wrath for eternity (Romans 1:18), not His love (Romans 6:23). God loves everyone unconditionally in that He shows mercy to everyone by not destroying them immediately because of sin. At the same time, God only has “covenant love” for those who place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation (John 3:36). Only those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will experience God’s love for eternity.

Anonymous said...

I´m just going to say something... I'm really bothered of what many christians wrote, first of all, there was even a woman who wrote Allah is Satan? I'm just going to say somethings first of all, we as christians should always respect other people religions and opinions and maybe you didn't swear but you were definitely rude in the way you explain things and argument of what some muslims said , @Samatar Mohamed I´m really sorry in the way many people in here talk to you, I, as a christian, could tell you your argument isn´t far from right, I am catholic, one day I asked a reverend if people of different religion can go to the heaven and he told that they could BUT if someone was once catholic and then change of religion, they will not enter to heaven, just like the verse the person who wrote this post showed from the Quran, so are you are right we have things in common and i understood what you said, please promote the respect guys, and I don´t know if you are from the Ahmadiyya; but just for the other people in here know, especially the one who wrote this post, they DO promote the love and respect to other religions, their slogan is: love to everyone and hate to no one (they interpret it from some verses of the Quran) so don´t generalize guys, and said what you want with respect and not judging other religions, especially we christians that many of you use what Jesus said, right? love those who hates you, so yeah that's it. Sorry if i offended someone.

Unknown said...

John 14:6 Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No-one comes to the father except through me. As "born again" followers of Jesus Christ, we believe this with all of our hearts.
This poses a number questions :-
A) Was Jesus lying ? When one reads the scriptures with an open heart, it would be impossible to come to this conclusion as it just does not fit in with his character portrayed by the early believers who wrote about him under the guidance of the Holy Spirit
B) Was he mad/deceived ? Again , it just does not fit in with the character portrayed by scripture.
C) Was this scripture corrupted.As for all born again believers, if this were true, we would be the most miserable if all people....we would be truly lost.
Since the Quran acknowledges that Jesus is perfect, it would negate to first two possibilities.
So then , if the the third possibility were true , please show us when and by whom this scripture was corrupted

Unknown said...

We only send the apostles to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned! (Surah Al-Kahf, 56)

-who wanna know more about islam,find and ask imam in the mosque

Unknown said...

Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear." (Surah Al-Ahqaf, 9)

who wanna know more about islam,find and ask iman in the mosque

Anonymous said...

How Silly of Muslims to even say that the God of the Bible does not love the unbelievers. The bible is so specific on this. The God the creator of the heavens and the Earth created Man and said it is very good. The wages of sin is death. But Adam and Eve did not die instantly after they committed sin. They were driven out of the Eden Gardens. This tells that God hates Sin, but not the sinners. His love for man was much greater than his love for the angel who later became Satan after Satan sinned. The basic fabric of bible says that God loves man so much so that he gave His only begotten Son to die to us. His love for man was greater than His love for His only begotten son.

The old testament clearly says that God does not pleases himself on the death of any man. For every unbeliever man who dies goes to hell. And so God opens a door for Him so that He can enter heaven through the righteousness of Jesus (not man's own righteanous). This Door is Jesus. All man have fallen short of being called a righteous man. No one can come to the father unless through Me says jesus.

I humbly request muslims to know the truth and come to the Lord. The god whose love is conditional is no god. The God mentioned in the bible has no conditional love for muslims. Every soul destroyed grieves God. God has no pleasure in your soul getting destroyed dear muslims. He grieves. You cannot compare this love with the love of Allah in Quran. Do not just argue just for the sake of argument. Know the Lord. taste Him. He is loving.

christian said...

Its strange that no- one has quoted that when Jesus went to John to be baptised in the river jordan, the holy spirit fell on Jesus in the form of a dove and a voice from heaven was heard saying"this is my beloved son in whom i am well pleased" i dont believe that this happened to anyone else ever? And after that he went into the wilderness and fasted for 40 days....was tempted by the devil, and afterwards began his ministry. He preached the gospel, healed the sick and cast out demons, he made the blind see and the lame walk. He raised people from the dead. He made enemies and disciples....some people loved him, others hated him. He told us to pray for our enemies. He told us not to fear those who would kill the body, but he who would destroy our souls. He told us to love one another as he loved us and died to set us free. And through it all comes the voice of the Father....this is my beloved son in whom i am well pleased....listen to him

christian said...

and Jesus went down to the river Jordan where he was baptised by John the baptist and as he came up out of the water the holy spirit ascended on him as a dove and a voice from heaven was heard saying "this is my beloved son in whom i am well pleased" then Jesus went into the wilderness and fasted for forty days and nights. Afterwards he was tempted by the devil. Jesus rebuked him. He then began his ministry. He preached the good news of the gospel, he healed the sick and he cast out demons. He made the blind see the lame Walk and raised the dead. He was loved and followed by many, feared an hated by others. He was tried as a blasphemer, crucified......and all hell broke loose.....earthquakes, darkness,graves opened and dead people walked. On the third day he rose from the dead and was seen by many people before he ascended into heaven....but the fathers words echo through all eternity...."this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased...listen to him"

Unknown said...

There is NOT ONE SINGLE PLACE in the Quran where Muhammad tells Muslims to love people of other religions. In contrast there are at least three dozen verses that tell Muslims to fight against non-believers, and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell. They are from each period in Muhammad's life, scattered across 87 of the Quran's 114 chapters.

To put this in perspective, nearly one out of every twelve verses in the Quran says that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he will torment them for eternity in horrible ways. The Suras that make reference to this comprise about 95% of the Quran's total volume. If Allah creates infidels merely to fuel the fires of Hell, then there no reason for Muslims to believe that such lives are of any worth in this world either.

Jhughes said...

That is right. The Quran is made by a violent liar. There are only two masters. People will accept one master rejecting the other master. Many religions with two Spirits is a lie. God is a consuming fire to lost people and fallen angels. The Quran lies saying no angels fell. There would be no death had no angels fallen. Wicked are reduced to ashes.

Unknown said...

Quran 60:8 Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

Jhughes said...

People don't get it. The wording in the Quran is deceptive. Jesus is not deceptive. Jesus who had the Father God speaking through him did not talk like the Quran is written.Therefore the Quran should not be considered in anything that is written therein. The words are the words of God's enemy masquerading as God. The words in the Quran lead to eternal soul death in God's light after the second resurrection. Religions have many names to confuse people. I am not confused. There are two masters unseen. Therefore there are two religions. Satan, a fallen golden angel with many gems or God who has hair that is white as wool and feet like brass refined in the fire. God's face shines like the sun. God's a body looks like jasper and sardine stone when in his glory. His face shine3s like the sun. The hiding of his power is in his hands where horns of light come forth.

Jhughes said...

Your fake God Allah does not know what justly is.

Jhughes said...

Sorry for the typo. Muslims don't knmow what justice is. Judge the fatherless plead for the widow. People like that are treated badly. Islam encourages it. Muslims Allah says a lot saying nothing. That being has no counseling not having any good laws.

Jhughes said...

We need to love others now to love others forever. There is no condeming in love. The desire to kill is not in a person who has love in them. That mentality will not be in God's kingdom. God will not allow minds like that to be in God's kingdom. Minds like that will be chaff in God's light to be burned up body and soul. Muslims Allah wants that to happen to as many people as possible. Muslims Allah cannot be God. God wants us to have a circumcised heart. God does not want us to cut the sexual parts on the body. That act cannot make a person to love another person. Satan wants people to kill people. That is the only way that Satan can snatch souls putting them into his prison. Satan looks for souls that are like he is. Muslims Allah wants Muslims to be like Satan.

Unknown said...

Jhughes ... The more you spread hate toward Islam, the more Islam will spread .... you cannot stop Islam to spread ... The best example is right in your time ... Look what happen after 9/11 World Trade Centre attack..... Everywhere there was chaos and all the Muslim were starred suspiciously..... But what was the outcome ..... Instead of downfall, Islam rapidly spread.... People from every country want to know about Islam...Quran 2:2 "This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of God. Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,".....And this is what happen ....Wise people understood the real concept of Islam and accept it.....but people like you who always spit on Islam dont even know that their activities unfortunately doing a great service to Islam and that service is called Advertisement.... your comments make people curious about Islam and there we get the numbers .... all the sick minded type people join you to do more service to Islam and rest who is wise and good accept Islam.... so keep it out brother .... Make the level more high .... Thank you

Anonymous said...

Jhughes. .. look it this way, god created the human being and later the devil got him lost right? okay now, god keeps fighting to bring him back to him so look at it this way......hundred years passing they(human being) got lost okay, now god has to act to save him, boom he sends a prophet(a book)...one prophet = one holy book..... then again human start cheating because the devil won't stop again cheating and again and again human got lost so now god has to act to bring you back to him boom another prophet (another book). Puff human being found god again then 100 years passing he gets lost again then when the time is right god sends jesus (another prophet) peace be upon him (with another book) human being finds him (god) again then he starts cheating the bible cuz of the devil right? and again manipulation etc. So now god says this time is final time... now for what reason he says that (my thinking is maybe because the devil is getting stronger i don't know but just something like that, that's how i put it,anyway) looks logical, cuz when is the devil getting stronger? In our times right? So god sends his final messenger mohamad alejhi selam (and final book). That's it. same god different laws(books) to save us from the devil in certain times. Once the devil got into it and managed to cheat the holy book completely boom another book from god, now devil starts working from the beggining to misguide us, so it takes time for him etc etc So you see how logical it is? Again the devil keeps working to cheat that new book but it takes time and he finally makes it but god is the almighty boom another law(book). The devil again from begining until the last book coran, no devil can cheat and fight it now, cuz it's something that god protects to the highest level of protection. That's it, so my point: -it's the same GOD we worship but the bible of today is a bit weak compared to Coran to fight the devil cuz he has managed to cheated it (the bible) so yes through Jesus alejhi selam you can of course follow the right path, islam is not saying no to this, as the matter of fact you see what i wrote up so all the books are from god thorah bible coran but all of them have gotten corrupted and are more weak than the last one Coran which came with the last prophet peace be upon him. So you can choose whatever you like, the history is history, a holy book weather be thorah, bible, or coran in our history has come from god in certain times of difficulty for us, to help us find him back and not get lost and, all these books that i mentioned cannot be from the devil cuz in the books there is verses of doing good and pray and love etc etc.. things that devil cannot say to a human being so you see what i mean. Now i know you going to say yeah but in the Coran it says kill or that or this, now what you don't understand is that god tried many times to rescue the human being and you still disobeyed, and god sees that the devil is getting stronger and stronger so now he maybe says to kill you in order to save you as a final act now, because he (god) doesn't want you to go with this strong devil of today cuz the devil must not corrupt Coran now which is the direct word of god so...(now i am not sure for that ( for the fact that god doesn't want the devil to corrupt the coran but seems logical to me) i am not sure but that could be one reason for god to say kill the disbelievers) lol :P hahhaha.

Anonymous said...

You see in the next life you will thank me for killing you, cuz i saved you in reality lol hahahhaa. Anyway it's just a joke of course cuz god in the Coran condems killing as well, he says whoever kills a human being is as if he killed the whole humanity, so don't worry about yourself :P and also in bible is mentioned to curse and kill so anyway, my point is all the holy books are not from the devil but devil has managed to corrupt them and misguide the human being so now this last one which is called Coran is very powerful and Jesus or Isa for the muslims peace be upon him was simply in god's plan, of course with all the other prophets peace be upon them to rescue us from misguidance and disbelief. Now do not take it very like heavy or being terrified by the book cuz i know you feel and see something and you get away, i was a christian before accepting islam i completely know how you feel in the beggining lol :P hahahhaa but do not see it as a way of loosing something or letting go of christianity just compare study and see for yourself where is right where is wrong but you must be pure and stay away from sin to correctly interpretate and thus complete yourself and arm yourself with protection. All the holy books are from god just they are corrupted compared to the coran. I am also telling you, you can follow Jesus peace be upon him, doesn't matter but will be more difficult than following the last prophet mohamad peace be upon him. So my point is you can still be a christian and in god's eyes is going to be no difference between christian or muslim as a matter of fact before the coran was the bible so muslims of today were christians before and vice versa so now i want you to truly get the whole picture of what is going on. God wants to save us no doubt but he is also JUST, god is just, he is love but a just love. It's like you have a son and you will never put him into fire, anyway let's not say fire in our case cuz the body in the world is not like the soul in the afterlife cuz the soul can handle fire and get tortured but the body in the world with fire is burned so let's say punish him badly i don't know another way say hitting him torturing him, you name it.

Anonymous said...

Now, you love your son so much and you will not do anything to him, but if your son burns the whole world and kill people with guns, other's people sons and daughters and rape or do bad stuff you name it. It will cause you terrible trouble in the world and you will absolutely punish him and the love for your son will go away from you right??? Same thing with god he trying to rescue you but you will not listen so now he says you know what kill him, meaning a disbeliever of the last word of god which are in the Coran is better killed than taken from the evil things he does, the reason i don't know god knows himself so anyway i am not going into this but to me seems logical after what god has done for us. God have tried to rescue you many times since the creation of humanity until today that we are talking and now for the reasons that only he understands would say kill him, but you are not a disbeliver, indeed you are a very brave believer of god, don't listen to some stupid muslims who don't know how to interpretate the holy books. So do whatever you want my friend and i wish you the best of luck with all my heart just remember god loves you more than hating you, check the history behind what i said he is trying to rescue you since the beggining of human race now the calculation you do it yourself my friend.

Anonymous said...

The problem is with some muslim stupid people cuz muslims are like christians some stupid and some smart same thing...this is what you don't see well cuz you are new to this thing, so some stupid muslim people interpret the Coran in their way and thus giving the wrong perception to other smart and intelligent people who actually use their intelect better than them, but those intellectual people are faced with something they don't know cuz they are in a different intellectual world so that's why they question themselves when faced to these stupid muslims who see nothing but fire and punishment from the almighty which is not the case. GOD LOVES BUT HE IS JUST. Meaning love is just here. Now there are muslims you can't beat in intellect cuz they have more answers than a very intelligent christian who actually today do not grow anymore in intellect for the simple fact that he separates and fragmentates his mind into pieces and thus cheating instead of growing cuz the devil has corrupted it (the bible) already, you see this is the thing with it. I hope it reasons with you and i was a christian before of course, if not i would not understand you, like the muslims who were born in a muslim family and know nothing about christianity up until now, so they will talk you without taking into consideration how you feel and etc because they don't really know. Now sctually we all are christians and muslims together i can't say a christian is not a muslim and a muslim is not a christian so we all are both(muslim, and christian) for those who don't see be it a christian or a muslim and we do worship the same god do not doubt it so that's what i had to say to you as a christian and muslim together. Actually if we collaborate together and guide each other in intellect the world will be a marvel place to live in cuz there is in both of our identities (as muslims or christians) stupid and smart people as well. PEACE.

4myGod said...

Hey David. It's 19:96 not 19:46 for: "Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love." Also let me know if you need any website help.

Unknown said...

First of all, I like to say ignorance is a bliss and the author and all his followers sound ignorant, Islamophobe and hateful. With that said let me try to enlighten you haters about Islam. I know most of you will dismiss real knowledge and keep spreading you false ideology about Islam and muslims etc. This is why many anti Islam, white nationalist are killing muslims everywhere. You are spreading hate.

What does Islam teach. Islam is not about hate, it about mercy, love and peace.

In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful

Islam teaches us to be merciful to the entire creation, to Muslims and non-Muslims, to friends and enemies and even to the animals. Mercy (raḥmah) in Islam has a very wide meaning that includes kindness, compassion, love, tolerance, patience with people, and to treat others the way we would love to be treated. This Islamic value is at the core of the prophetic message and meaning of faith, just as it was in all of the revealed religions before Islam. Every Muslim needs to strive to be an agent of mercy on earth for all human beings and creatures.

Allah said:

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ

We have not sent you except as mercy to the worlds.

Surat al-Anbiya 21:107

And Allah said:

ثُمَّ كَانَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْمَرْحَمَةِ

Then he was among those who had faith and advised one another to patience and advised one another to mercy.

Surat al-Balad 90:17


Abu Salih reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would address the people saying:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّمَا أَنَا رَحْمَةٌ مُهْدَاةٌ

O people, I am only a mercy and a guide.

Source: Sunan al-Dārimī 490, Grade: Sahih

Allah intends for the mercy of Islam to touch every person on earth. It is not as some have claimed, that Islam is only merciful to Muslims. Rather, Islam teaches us to be mercy to the entire world and everyone in it.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

الرَّاحِمُونَ يَرْحَمُهُمْ الرَّحْمَنُ ارْحَمُوا مَنْ فِي الْأَرْضِ يَرْحَمْكُمْ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاءِ

Those who are merciful will be shown mercy by the Merciful. Be merciful to those on the earth and the One above the heavens will have mercy upon you.

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1924, Grade: Sahih

Abu Musa Al-Ashari reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَنْ تُؤْمِنُوا حَتَّى تَحَابُوا أَفَلا أَدُلُّكُمْ عَلَى مَا تَحَابُونَ عَلَيْهِ

You will never have faith until you love each other. Shall I tell you what will make you love each other?

Unknown said...

Abu Musa Al-Ashari reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَنْ تُؤْمِنُوا حَتَّى تَحَابُوا أَفَلا أَدُلُّكُمْ عَلَى مَا تَحَابُونَ عَلَيْهِ

You will never have faith until you love each other. Shall I tell you what will make you love each other?

They said, “Of course, O Messenger of Allah.” The Prophet said:

أَفْشُوا السَّلامَ بَيْنِكُمْ فَوَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لا تَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ حَتَّى تَرَاحَمُوا

Spread peace between yourselves. By the one in whose hand is my soul, you will not enter Paradise until you are merciful to others.

They said, “O Messenger of Allah, all of us are merciful.” The Prophet said:

إِنَّهُ لَيْسَ بِرَحْمَةِ أَحَدِكُمْ خَاصَّتَهُ وَلَكِنْ رَحْمَةُ الْعَامَّةِ

Verily, it is not only mercy between yourselves, but rather it is mercy in general.

Source: al-Sunan al-Kubrá lil-Nasāʼī 5760, Grade: Sahih

Not only should we be merciful to human beings, but we also need to be merciful to the animals. All of Allah’s creatures have rights in Islam, humans and animals, so it is the duty of Muslims to uphold, and protect their natural rights.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

بَيْنَمَا رَجُلٌ يَمْشِي بِطَرِيقٍ اشْتَدَّ عَلَيْهِ الْعَطَشُ فَوَجَدَ بِئْرًا فَنَزَلَ فِيهَا فَشَرِبَ ثُمَّ خَرَجَ فَإِذَا كَلْبٌ يَلْهَثُ يَأْكُلُ الثَّرَى مِنْ الْعَطَشِ فَقَالَ الرَّجُلُ لَقَدْ بَلَغَ هَذَا الْكَلْبَ مِنْ الْعَطَشِ مِثْلُ الَّذِي كَانَ بَلَغَ مِنِّي فَنَزَلَ الْبِئْرَ فَمَلَأَ خُفَّهُ مَاءً ثُمَّ أَمْسَكَهُ بِفِيهِ حَتَّى رَقِيَ فَسَقَى الْكَلْبَ فَشَكَرَ اللَّهُ لَهُ فَغَفَرَ لَهُ

Once a man suffered from thirst while he was walking on a journey. When he found a well, he climbed down into it and drank from it. Then he came out and saw a dog lolling its tongue from thirst and licking the ground. The man said: this dog has suffered thirst just as I have suffered from it. So he climbed down into the well, filled his shoe with water, and caught it in his mouth as he climbed up; then he gave the dog a drink. Allah appreciated this deed and so He forgave him.

It was said, “O Messenger of Allah, is there a reward for charity even for the animals?” He said:

فِي كُلِّ كَبِدٍ رَطْبَةٍ أَجْرٌ

In every living being there is a reward for charity.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5663, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Qurra ibn Iyas reported: A man said, “O Messenger of Allah, I would have slaughtered a sheep but I had mercy on it.” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

وَالشَّاةُ إِنْ رَحِمْتَهَا رَحِمَكَ اللَّهُ مَرَّتَيْنِ‏

If you had mercy on the sheep, then Allah will have mercy on you twice.

Source: al-Adab al-Mufrad 368, Grade: Sahih

The only way we can secure mercy for our own selves on the Day of Judgment is to be merciful to the creation. Allah is not merciful in the Hereafter to those who are not merciful to people and to his creatures.

Abu Huraira reported: A man saw the Prophet kissing his grandson Hasan and he said, “I have ten children and I do not kiss any of them.” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

إِنَّهُ مَنْ لَا يَرْحَمْ لَا يُرْحَمْ

Verily, whoever does not show mercy will not receive mercy.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5651, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Jareer ibn Abdullah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَا يَرْحَمُ اللَّهُ مَنْ لَا يَرْحَمُ النَّاسَ

Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to the people.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6941, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Unknown said...

Usama ibn Zaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

وَإِنَّمَا يَرْحَمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ الرُّحَمَاءَ

Verily, Allah is only merciful to those of his servants who are merciful.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1224, Grade: Sahih

Abu Hisham, may Allah have mercy on him, said:

بَلَغَنِي أَنَّهُ مَكْتُوبٌ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ كَمَا تَرْحَمُونَ تُرْحَمُونَ

It has reached me that it is written in the Torah: As you show mercy you will receive mercy.

Source: Muṣannaf Ibn Abī Shaybah 24780

Hence, by being merciful to others we not only benefit them in this world, we also benefit ourselves in the Hereafter.

The Prophet applied the teachings of divine mercy throughout his entire life, even to his enemies and oppressors. On one occasion, the companions asked the Prophet to pray against his enemies who had been persecuting them for years, even raising an army against them and killing their innocents. Even so, the Prophet refused to pray against his enemies as it would have contradicted the message of mercy.

Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet was told, “O Messenger of Allah, pray against the idolaters!” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

إِنِّي لَمْ أُبْعَثْ لَعَّانًا وَإِنَّمَا بُعِثْتُ رَحْمَةً

Verily, I was not sent to invoke curses, but rather I was only sent as a mercy.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2599, Grade: Sahih

Perhaps the most famous example of the Prophet’s mercy was the forgiveness he showed his enemies after he finally had power over them. The Quraish tribal aristocracy had persecuted the Muslims for nearly twenty-three years only because they chose to worship Allah instead of the idols. They mocked the Muslims, threatened them, tortured them, punished them with an economic boycott, and even raise arms against them after they fled to Medina. They killed Hamza the Prophet’s uncle, mutilated his corpse, and unjustifiably killed many other Muslims.

Despite all of this, the Prophet was able to win the hearts and minds of the Arabs and he finally gained power over the Quraish when the city of Mecca surrendered. Rather than taking revenge, the Prophet forgave his enemies and declared it to be a day of mercy.

Al-Qasim ibn Salim reported: When they came to the Ka’bah they were holding onto its door and the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

مَا تَقُولُونَ وَمَا تَظُنُّونَ

What do you say? What do you think?

They said three times, “We say you are the son of our brother.” The Prophet said:

أَقُولُ كَمَا قَالَ يُوسُفُ لَا تَثْرِيبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْيَوْمَ يَغْفِرُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَهُوَ أَرْحَمُ الرَّاحِمِينَ

I say to you as Joseph said to his brothers: No blame upon you today. Allah will forgive you, for he is the Most Merciful of the merciful. (12:92)

Source: Sunan al-Kubrā 17714, Grade: Sahih

Ibn Asakir reported: When Sa’d passed by Abu Sufyan with the banner of the Prophet on the day Mecca was liberated, he announced, “O Abu Sufyan! Today is a day of slaughter! Today the unlawful will be lawful! Today Allah will disgrace the Quraish!” So the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

يَا أَبَا سُفْيَانَ الْيَوْمَ يَوْمُ الْمَرْحَمَةِ الْيَوْمَ أَعَزَّ اللَّهُ فِيهِ قُرَيْشًا

O Abu Sufyan, today is a day of mercy. Today Allah will honor the Quraish.

Source: Tārīkh Dimashq 23282, Grade: Sahih

Al-Mawardi writes:

فَجَعْلَهُ يَوْمَ مَرْحَمَةٍ وَأَنْكَرَ أَنْ يَكُونَ يَوْمَ مَلْحَمَةٍ فَدَلَّ عَلَى الصُّلْحِ دُونَ الْعَنْوَةِ

The Prophet made it a day of mercy and he rejected that it would be a day of slaughter. Thus, it shows that it was reconciliation without violence.

Source: al-Ḥāwī al-Kabīr 14/28

Indeed, the Prophet was so forgiving and merciful because Allah had revealed to him, as well as to the Prophets before him, that among the best and most honored people to Allah are those who forgive others and treat others the way they would love to be treated.

Unknown said...

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَأَلَ مُوسَى رَبَّهُ وقَالَ فَأَيُّ عِبَادِكَ أَحْكُمُ قَالَ الَّذِي يَحْكُمُ لِلنَّاسِ كَمَا يَحْكُمُ لِنَفْسِهِ قَالَ فَأَيُّ عِبَادِكَ أَعَزُّ قَالَ الَّذِي إِِذَا قَدَرَ غَفَرَ

Moses said: Who is the best in judgment of your servants? Allah said: Those who judge people as they would love to be judged themselves. Moses said: Who are the most honored of your servants? Allah said: Those who forgive when they have power over others.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 6352, Grade: Hasan

In sum, mercy is an essential defining attribute of the righteous Muslims and it distinguishes them from other religious groups. Those who fail to be merciful to others are among the misguided who have forsaken the teachings of the true religion and its divine values.

Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

وَأَهْلُ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ يَتَّبِعُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَالسُّنَّةَ وَيُطِيعُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ الْحَقَّ وَيَرْحَمُونَ الْخَلْقَ

The people of the Sunnah and the Muslim community follow the Book and the Sunnah and they obey Allah and his Messenger and follow the truth. They have mercy upon the creation.

Source: Majmū’ al-Fatāwá 1/278

Thus, we must do our best to be merciful to the entire creation, to the Muslims and non-Muslims, to our families and relatives, to friends and strangers, to people and animals, and even to our most bitter enemies.

Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best.

Anonymous said...

@Sanatar Mohamed , Yes, God ''hated'' Essau. But not the way you are thinking He hated Him Okay, let's see:
Loving someone means seeing him as something very important to you and wanting to help them when they need you. Hating someone is the absoloute opposite, which means you want to hurt the person you hate. But God can't have the desire to hurt someone since hurting people is a sin. Therefore, the word hate in that verse cannot apply to this type of hatred.

However, we can also say we ''hate'' someone when we dislike them in an extreme way. We can aalso say that we hate something when it bothers us a lot or if it is a very unrighteous action. Without neccecarily anting to hurt the person we ''hate''/dislike. We might find them completely disgusting, sick minded, unworthy and ugodly, but that doesn't mean we want to hurt them. This is the way God ''hated'' Essau. God did not like Essau. God felt disgusted by Essau. Yet, that doesn't mean that just because a Father feels disgusted by his son because he became a mass murderer or a serial thief and he now dislieks that child that he does not have fatherly feelings for that child anymore. Yes, that father ''Hates'' his child but he also also loves him.

Artie Whitefox said...

Muslims Allah does not love anyone, not even himself. I would say otherwise had I see the words of the master in the Muslims books. I don't hear the masters voice through Muslims.

Artie Whitefox said...

Muslims Allah loves no one, not even the stars or any planet in the entier universe. Genisis 1:17 God set them in the universe to give light upon the earth. Stars used to be immortal. That is not the case now. Jesus made those stars. Jesus is he that judges, not the unseen Father. The colorful Satan, dressed in every precious gem wanted to steal the throne that Jesus sits on. The unseen Father would have been put into Satan's prison, had Jesus sinned. That would have kept the Unseen Father God from raising Jesus up from the dead. Jesus would have remained in hell, being under the earth, in the tomb. A human cannot control when they die. The two theives had their legs broken. That did not happen to Jesus. He was God visually seen having blood in him untill he rose up from the dead.

Unknown said...

"Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind."
Al-Hajj 22:46
may Allah guide you all