Friday, February 13, 2009

And the Winner Is...

Osama Abdallah!

Congratulations goes out to Osama.
Out of all the blogs we've ever written, the one with the most comments was the one titled "The Abdallah-Wood Debate Revisited." Over 120 comments! Only one other blog has ever come close. Not only was Abdallah mentioned in the title, he was also an avid participator in the comment thread itself. Let's recap some of his invaluable contributions (bolds are Osama's emphases, colored ones are mine):
  1. Sam Shamoun is very stupid
  2. he has his phony agenda
  3. Are you just going to bark your tantrum?
  4. Or are you gonna bark your tantrum again?
  5. Blindness and foolishness at its best.
  6. I don't talk with fools. You seem to be a big one.
  7. You are blind and dumb.
  8. Your bible is so confused in its characters that one can't know for sure if there are 3 Johns, 4 Johns or even 5 Johns.
  9. You call such a joke a Divine Revelation from GOD Almighty?
  10. Obviously, you are a filthy liar
  11. You filthy liar
  12. Again, you filthy liar
  13. Also, you are too dumb and ignorant
  14. Obviously, this clown, Dan, had been smoked so bad, that...
  15. What a ridiculous clown indeed!
  16. Dan the clown,
  17. Your stupid blog is (by) a western clown not knowing Arabic
  18. Now get lost to Hell clown. I am done with you.
  19. Even the christian that I quoted is a filthy liar like most of the christinas I dealt with!
  20. He was left silenced like a muzzled dog.
  21. I smashed his bible into pieces for him.
  22. this proves that you are quite an evil and stupid man.
  23. As to the rest of your tantrum, yawn..... I already refuted all of this garbage of yours above.
  24. Get lost to Hell loser.
  25. The rabid christians on this board
  26. You are indeed a coward and a joke, Dan, Shamoun the coward
  27. Now Dan, get lost to Hell you hypocrite. I don't want you to convert to Islam.
  28. You are indeed a hypocrite and a snake. 
  29. you are a polytheist trinitarian pagan who worships men and idols.
  30. I smashed your bible
  31. You are no more than a foul-mouthed loser
  32. Other losers started to join in as we started to expose their foul behavior and lies.
  33. (Sam Shamoun) hides under a different name and dosn't have the integrity and the balls to reveal himself.
  34. To all of the rabid christians on this board...
  35. You are another filthy christian liar

All joking aside, goodness gracious, Osama! I understand that sometimes people weren't saying nice things back to you, but this amount of insults and name-calling is truly staggering!

I told Osama when he started posting on this site that I would be watching his conduct carefully. Within a few days, he has showed such poor conduct and conversational skills that I'm actually impressed (by the staggering lack of character, that is).

For mainly this reason I am declining to debate Osama. Of course, there are other reasons, too. To be explicit:
  1. I have heard Muslims complain that he is not a good representation of Islam and Muslim apologetics
  2. He doesn't seem to follow logical arguments
  3. He does not know the difference between John the Baptist and John the Evangelist
  4. He refuses to admit when he's mistaken
  5. He does not attempt to accurately handle his opponents' positions.

I simply think it would not be productive to debate Osama. I will advise David to not debate Osama, either.

73 comments:

Osama Abdallah said...

Nabeel,

I'd like to ask your readers to visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


When they do, they'll learn a whole a lot of great information about how deceptive and full of errors the bible and christianity are. And in the last link, they'll see the overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran.

Islam will win, and your polythiestic religion will fall.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

And Nabeel,

Just to prove to the reader that you are another snake, I'd like to ask them to read the threads from the beginning and see how your christians started the barrage of insults on me and my beloved Prophet and my Cherished Faith, Islam.

You are a false and incompetent person and a true liar, Nabeel. The reason for this is because you know well that there were many christians who were FAR FROM BEING PROPER AND POLITE. So why should I be nice to them after ample failed attempts with them?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

DAN12345 said...

Taqiyya at its best again,YOU insulted everyone,nobody insulted you read back all the post's,take the beer googles off and you will see who was wrong.It takes a big man to admit you was wrong in calling people dogs etc.Lets see if you can step up and admit this osama...i stopped people insulting you and you carried on insulting me,anyway water off a duck's back

Osama Abdallah said...

Hahhaha Dan, thank you for jumping in to HELP ME EXPOSE NABEEL to be a fraud!

You said, Dan: "Taqiyya (lying) at its best again". Hummm, doesn't this match well with one of my comments that the desperate Nabeel posted about me saying: "Foolishness and blindness at their best!"?

SO WHY DIDN'T NABEEL POST YOUR OFFENSIVE COMMENT THEN, DAN?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

And my comment was a RESPONSE to your offensive comment, Dan!

Yet, we don't see Nabeel caring to be honest enough to mention this. What a gang of snakes indeed!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

DAN12345 said...

Anything said on this blog about muhammad is not a lie it is the truth:
Narrated Ali: The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me, for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter Hell-fire. (Bukhari vol. 4, Book of Knowledge, no. 106)
Anything written about muhammad is here is not a lie,He killed,had people killed,tortured,raped,took his adopted sons wife after lusting her,so when these things are mentioned you are upset,but we are not lying about it,it is the truth...
So i stand on the good side against evil,god against satan,and every christian here will tell the truth about your "prophet" and his actions,but of course you cant handle the truth.We can see who the liar's are,and who the false prophets are
1 John 2:22:"Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son."
1 John 5:10:
"Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son"

DAN12345 said...

Show me my offensive comment please,,post it up here and we can all judge...

DAN12345 said...

Matthew 7:15
[ A Tree and Its Fruit ] "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Matthew 7:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 24:11
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Matthew 24:10-12 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Matthew 24:23-25 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.
Mark 13:21-23 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 6:26
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.
Luke 6:25-27 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter)
2 Peter 2:1
[ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 4:1
[ Test the Spirits ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter)

Osama Abdallah said...

Dan,

You have just exposed yourself to be a liar when you asked me to provide the evidence, because ironically, YOU STARTED YOUR POSTS HERE WITH INSULTS TO ME.

The reader can visit: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/02/abdallah-wood-debate-revisited.html and see where you acted RUDE, AND HYPOCTRATICALLY BY TOLERATING OTHERS TO BE RUDE.


Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

DAN12345 said...

Telling the truth is not an insult,the truth is the truth i told the truth,i never isulted you,you called me and other's rabid christians,you said Get lost to Hell loser's etc.I never said anything of the kind to you

DAN12345 said...

If i did please copy and paste it into this blog for everyone to see,you copy and paste links to your site enough so if i did insult you personally post it please so i can see the error of my ways

Osama Abdallah said...

Nice try Dan, but it only further proves that you are deceiving the reader. When they visit the link I gave, they'll see THE BARRAGE OF INSULTS I RECEIVED on myself, my beloved Prophet, and my Cherished Faith, Islam. They even insulted Allah Almighty's Holy Name!!

May Allah Almighty's Divine Curse be upon all of them. Ameen.

Long Live Islam. Islam will prevail and Islam is the Divine Truth. Your faith is based on false speculations and lies.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Dan,

Here is a link that refutes your points above about Islam:

http://answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm

SEE ALSO HOW THE CHRISTIANS JOCHEN KATZ AND QUENNEL GALE made up 19 lies about me. I listed them and exposed them in details one after another.


Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

DAN12345 said...

You still didnt post it,so you have again shown yourself to be a liar.You curse,we bless.
I hope jesus comes into your life as you seem to have a demon in you with your bad language.You are so brainwashed,show me one act muhammad done that was so incredible and amazing that he became your "beloved".Did he die for your sins?did he forgive the people who cursed him?did he forgive people like jesus did when he was on the cross,he prayed for them!Show me what makes him your "beloved".When you hear about jesus and his actions a man with a true heart will cry at the amazing acts jesus done for us.We feel his pain as he bore our pain.Show me some examples of the same type things muhammad did,and how he became your "beloved".

Matthew said...

Wow, muslims have great apologists.

Osama Abdallah said...

Dan and Matthew,

Where did I just curse?? Here is the post again since you're running away:

Your bible DOES PRAISE pornography. I've listed the detailed verses at:

www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links


My favorite verse is this: Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

YOUR BIBLE NOT ONLY PROMOTES PORNOGRAPHY, but it also promotes INCESTUOUS (brothers and sisters falling in love with each others) RELATIONSHIPS.

IS THIS DIVINE REVELATION TO YOU DAN, OR SICK PORNOGRAPHY?!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

DAN12345 said...

Osama's bible:Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
Any other regular bible:Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink,the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
Anybody notice the difference?

DAN12345 said...

Normal offical quran:". . . As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly). . ." (4:34)
What the quran REALLY says:". . . As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them,, refuse to share their beds,beat them. ." (4:34)
Does anybody notice the difference?

DAN12345 said...

Muslims can use this tactic anytime ()this always works in their eyes.What they want the script to say they just put ()and write what they want!
and osama wrote:[i.e., her vagina's semen!], when writing about what "spiced wine to drink " she was going to give him.But again EVEN if it was talking about sex,what is wrong with a husband and wife being in a loving sexual relationship? Nothing is wrong that is why god made man and woman!Thats why he made marriage to make us love somebody so much,for the two souls to become one,i think their love is too much for you to comprehend!

DrOakley said...

Nabeel:

I agree with your conclusions, and I have a pretty good standing to do so. :-) Of course, the explosion of irrationality I have seen in this comment thread and the preceding need to be contextualized. I'm afraid some Christians, seeing men like Osama, will forget that there are serious Islamic scholars and apologists out there. I believe we have produced a sufficient list of debates with the likes of Osama, Nadir, etc., that illustrate, for any rational person, their incapacity to engage in meaningful debate. We can't expect that they will ever consider their own behavior fairly, but given how brief a time we have to minister the truth, there does come a time when you have to say, "Ok, enough, we've been over all of this before."

james

OumAmir said...

4 لاَ تُجِبِ الْجَاهِلَ بِمِثْلِ حُمْقِهِ لِئَلاَّ تُصْبِحَ مِثْلَهُ.

5 رُدَّ عَلَى الْجَاهِلِ حَسَبَ جَهْلِهِ لِئَلاَّ يَضْحَى حَكِيماً فِي عَيْنَيْ نَفْسِهِ.

El-Cid said...

Osama said: "...:[i.e., her vagina's semen!].."

Osama, women do not have semen. If you are going to make up things and put them in brackets, at least make it biologically possible. Thanks.

I think you need a basic course in human biology and reproductive systems. Seminal fluid is produced by the seminal vesicles, prostate gland, and the bulbo-urethral glands (known as 'Cowper's glands'), and only exists in male biology. Or perhaps you got this idea of women having semen from looking in the Quran?

Dk said...

Methodology of Osama:

1) Copy and paste something from website attacking the Bible

2) Ignore the responses OR claim "I have refuted you" over and over.

3) Insult and attack those who disagree.

4) Now claim Islam has science miracles.

5) Insult again, more ignoring, copy and paste more about Bible from website.

I kind of predicted this kind of behaviour from him in the very first thread he posted in.

~ Prophet DK on the loose! ~

Bryant said...

Osama,

It is important for you to know that your immature behavior attracts absolutely no Christian to Islam. If indeed you care for our souls, and you are trying to show us the truth of Islam, then why invoke "Allah Almighty's Divine Curse" upon us? The truth is that you do not care for Christians at all. I can guarantee you that Christians look at what you type and are strengthened in their faith. If your attitude towards unbelievers is what we get as Muslims, then no thanks, we reject Muhammad and Islam.

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Fernando said...

OumAmir, forgeting surah 2:13, that saies that muslims must be fools, said...

«4 not to be ignorant of such so as not to become like him.

5 response to the ignorance of the ignorant as not to be sacrificed in the eyes of the same wise»
...

Amothere disciple off Usama?

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Well this what Osama Abdallah had to say about me (Elijah):

You are another filthy christian liar and a rotten example to CHRIST, like that snake Sam Shamoun (ben malik).

Elijah replies:

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am worried about this man's mental state.

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Fernando said...

Yes... brother Hogan... thise yeare, in this blog, has been prolixious in examples of muslims withe somekind off mental statte... can you imaginne how is the general condition off a typical uniformed and unstudied muslime around the worlde?

I trullie feel a deep sorrow for them...

That's whie this efford professor Wood, Doctor Nabeel, Jay, you, Ben Malik and others are doing in showwing the true face off Islam is so important to so manie muslims who just need some light to came outt of the dark path off theire false religion...

I just van't immagine someone feeling ok aboutt being a muslim after reading what people like Usama, and others, habe been postting here...

lets, with all our hearts, pray for them... may the love of our true God awake theire true human nature hat, in so manie cases, is completelie obliterated under a sheet of hate, violence, lies and unhumanity...

Osama Abdallah said...

So no answer everybody. Just like I expected. This verse, along with the 10s of others that I have, ARE SIMPLY UNANSWERABLE!

Thank you for confirming this. The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Ari said...

Osama logic applied to the Qur'an:

The Qur'an says "...associate partners with Allah!" Therefore the Qur'an promotes associating partners with Allah!

The Qur'an says "...commit adultery" Therefore the Qur'an exhorts us to commit adultery!

The Qur'an says "...call on Baal" therefore the Qur'an exhorts you to call on Baal not Allah almighty!

Ari said...

Ha! None of you Muslims can answer those objections! All you do is claim that they are out of context. How convenient!

*declares self undefeated champion of the world*

OumAmir said...

Fernando-

The English translation of

" 4 لاَ تُجِبِ الْجَاهِلَ بِمِثْلِ حُمْقِهِ لِئَلاَّ تُصْبِحَ مِثْلَهُ.

5 رُدَّ عَلَى الْجَاهِلِ حَسَبَ جَهْلِهِ لِئَلاَّ يَضْحَى حَكِيماً فِي عَيْنَيْ نَفْسِهِ. "

is


"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will also be like him.

Answer a fool as his folly deserves,that he not be wise in his own eyes."

It's from Psalm 26.

Fernando said...

Thanks OumAmir... mie arabic is not good...

and I habe to admite I didn't recognized ite as a biblical text...

coulde you please sai what translationne you usede?

I suppose that mie referance to surah 2:13 was precise (وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ آمِنُواْ كَمَا آمَنَ النَّاسُ قَالُواْ أَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَا آمَنَ السُّفَهَاء أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ السُّفَهَاء وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ: And when they are told, "Believe as other people believe," they answer, "Shall we believe as the weak-minded believe?" Oh, verily, it is they, they who are weak-minded -but they know it not!), but I can't see, bie ani meannes where psalm 26, 4-5 can be translated the way you proposed... it might bee from other biblical book -- perhapas another sapiential one full of ironie as they are... --...

I would be bery thankfull...

Fernando said...

Usama saide: «So no answer everybody. Just like I expected. This verse (...)» do you mean Song of Songs 8:1-3?...

The problem, I guess, his youre totallie lack off knoledge of the semitic value off the word "ha"... iff you knew it, you woulde see how ridiculous is youre positionne and understand whie no one didn'te eben needed to unser you... is that your best shotte? Poor sold... I'll be prayieng eben more for you...

It's like somme a colour-blind person saying in courte, after a car crash, when viewing a colour tape of his crash with the light cleralie in red: «the light was green!!!»... No one needed to say anything... they're sorrie for him... but then the judge would say: you're mistaken...

I'll show you whie: the masculine noun "ha" may referr to brother of blood, half-brother, close relatives AND milk-brothers (someonne from other familye who was fead with someone's other mother breast milk... as it was common with the son of princesses...)... it's clearlie this late the case in this text:

a) it's a poemme about a girl and a boy withe totallie different economic backgrounds...;

b) the girl his dreamming of an intimacie to the boy simmilar off the one milk-brothers habe (raised together since childhood...);

c) they crearlie doesn't habe the same mother... that's whie she sais: «bring you to my mother's house»... not «OUR mother’s house»… which would be eben more suitteded to the structure of the poem…;

d) no where is an incestuous relattion pointed outt here… so, the factt that she desires the boi to habe a tast of her’s vaginal fluid (bie the waie: where in the world does women habe semen? Perhaps in muslims countries… or it was a “lapsus linguae” that expressed, Usama, your more incontious desiresof drinking semen? Onlie you can saie…) -- «the nectar of my pomegranates» has YOU saide… -- doesn’t represent a probbleme… also in islam women fluid (“madhiy”) is not inpure…

Usamma: could you present here (so eberione can see your mentalitie and deep knoledge...) another text that can’t bee explained? I would gladdelie gibe an unser to you… butt perhaps you don’t won’t to show your ignorance anymore…

I’ll bee prayieng for you!!! May Jesus help you in your recoberie…

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Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Osama Abdallah wrote:

Thank you for confirming this. The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm

Elijah replies:

within the last 24 hours I wisited your website mr Osama

And my virus protection system, which is highly suffisticated both detected and removed a trojan horse from your website.

To everyone's attention, my virus system did not merely warn me about the website, it literally acted to protect my computer.

It is one thing when the system warns you not to enter the site, it is another thing when the virus system acts when you enter and informs you that it just had to sort a trojan horse.

Which means that within the last 24 hours your the website answering-christianity is still virus loaded.

Have you no shame?

Are you lying to us when you say that your website is not virus loaded?

How dare insult me and others, by calling us liars while you continually request us to visit your website which is potentially harmful for our computer or shall we say our identity, or both?

May encourage my brothers here to spread the news around, whether on forums, pal-talk and other websites.

My greatest worry is the typical trend of islamic internet terrorists who possess the tools to track down individuals (Christians and apostates from islam), even in muslim countries.

I write this so that you may protect yourselves.

Osama has willingly inviting you to a site that may harm your computer or possibly open up the possibility for muslim radicals to enter the data of your personal information.

As we have seen already, the man is ful of hatred, his favorit verse in the Bible is a passage in which he presumes that a sister has sex with her brother. I am just exposing the mindset, which he has revealed himself.

Let me warn you (and spread the news): Do not let such a person and his team get access to your personal information, especially if you are visting from a location that is islamic soil.

Brothers and sister BE CAREFUL.

Fernando said...

Hogan saide: «Osama has willingly inviting you to a site that may harm your computer or possibly open up the possibility for muslim radicals to enter the data of your personal information.»...

Yes... I had the samme experience... since the last time I visited his cloudesque site my spam bag becamme full of muslim hatred messages against christians... twive I has attackd with a trojan... I imediattelie wrote to Google to informme them of the fact in orfer they could put a labble of risk in that site...

It's shamefull!!!

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Yeah I know my computer has been destroyed more than once from debating Muslim online. This is something we have to be very careful about.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

I posted my personal rebuke on Osama Abdallah with some editions on my own personal blog as well:

http://christianityresponse.blogspot.com/

ben malik said...

That is from Proverbs 26, not Psalm 26.

David Wood said...

Osama said: "SEE ALSO HOW THE CHRISTIANS JOCHEN KATZ AND QUENNEL GALE made up 19 lies about me."

But isn't "19" the miraculous number from the Qur'an? This proves that Jochen and Quennel are prophets sent from God!!!

OumAmir said...

ah, duh, I'm an idiot. Thanks for correcting the reference, Ben. It's Proverbs 26:4-5.

Fernando said...

OumAmir... It lookes we bouth were mistaken... we are humans... great feeling isn't it?

KeithTruth said...

I now declare Osama the dumb stooge of islam. Blasphemy is Osamas hobbie it seems.

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

Very funny. Care to respond to my earlier post which you and the rest of your friends here had been endlessly circling around and not daring to respond to?

Here is the post again for you David, and I challenge you DAVID WOOD to directly respond to it:

Your bible DOES PRAISE pornography. I've listed the detailed verses at:

www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links

My favorite verse is this: Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

YOUR BIBLE NOT ONLY PROMOTES PORNOGRAPHY, but it also promotes INCESTUOUS (brothers and sisters falling in love with each others) RELATIONSHIPS.

IS THIS DIVINE REVELATION TO YOU OR SICK PORNOGRAPHY?!

Care to give a direct response to this one David Wood? Or are you simply too ashamed from your Bible?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Fernando said...

Usama saide: «your friends here had been endlessly circling around and not daring to respond to»...

Weel Usama... I gabe you an answere... It's you who are circling around: keeping a cowardlie silence and then posting a text in an almoste dead thread... it's you who don't dare to respond to mie gautlet to you... howe about thate? I'll let youre muslim pears to answer that...

I'll be praying for your recoberie... may our God Jesus Christ help your heart...

DAN12345 said...

I think all the muslims are very embarrased by Osama's behaviour,they havent even written on these thread,he is an embarrasement to islam and his fellow muslims just like nadir ahmed,i think its time for the muslims to stop these people discussing islam,as by their actions and behaviour to others it is a terible advert to islam.

Osama Abdallah said...

Fernando,

Your answer was no answer, and your English needs to be improved a lot in order for people to comprehend what you're trying to say. I do not mean to degrade you here, FOR I MYSELF HAD TO LEARN ENGLISH AND I AM STILL LEARNING IT, and will always continue to learn it.

Dan, how about letting David answer the post? Since you have no answer, then how about stepping aside and allow those who have?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Fernando said...
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Fernando said...

Usama saide «Your answer was no answer, and your English needs to be improved a lot in order for people to comprehend what you're trying to say»...

Well... thanks for your answer to mie words... but then: if mie " English needs to be improved a lot in order for people to comprehend what you're trying to say" howe then coulde you understand them enought to sai that mie «answer was no answer»?... strange loggic...

Yes... it was an answer thatt can be understood by anyone willing to see the truth... here is it again:

«the masculine noun "ha" may referr to brother of blood, half-brother, close relatives AND milk-brothers (someonne from other familye who was fead with someone's other mother breast milk... as it was common with the son of princesses...)... it's clearlie this late the case in this text:

a) it's a poemme about a girl and a boy withe totallie different economic backgrounds...;

b) the girl his dreamming of an intimacie to the boy simmilar off the one milk-brothers habe (raised together since childhood...);

c) they crearlie doesn't habe the same mother... that's whie she sais: «bring you to my mother's house»... not «OUR mother’s house»… which would be eben more suitteded to the structure of the poem…;

d) no where is an incestuous relattion pointed outt here… so, the factt that she desires the boi to habe a tast of her’s vaginal fluid (bie the waie: where in the world does women habe semen? Perhaps in muslims countries… or it was a “lapsus linguae” that expressed, Usama, your more incontious desiresof drinking semen? Onlie you can saie…) -- «the nectar of my pomegranates» has YOU saide… -- doesn’t represent a probbleme… also in islam women fluid (“madhiy”) is not inpure»
...

But iff you want another schoolar explanation, please read: Tremper Longman's "Song of Songs", p. 203 where he explains that the onlie reason the girll wanted to be the boy's sister was to be hable to kiss him like brothers in public without shame... she does not wantt to be her sister to have incestuos relations with him... see also Larry L. Lyke's "I Will Espouse You Forever: The Song of Songs and the Theology of Love in the Hebrew Bible"...

And waht mie gautlet? I'll be waitting...

Osama Abdallah said...

Fernando,

I never said that they were BIOLOGICAL siblings. This is clear in her wish if he were her brother. I said that the bible praises INCESTUOUS FANTACIES and relationships.


Whether the male and the female were biological siblings or not is irrelevant. You either missed the entire point or you're playing games.

Yes, your bible does praise pornography and incestuous relationships.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

This looks quite clear to me that is is 100% PORNOGRAPHY AND PROMOTING TO INCESTOUS RELATIONSHIPS and pornography!

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Osama Abdallah
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Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

And that is the exact context Fernando. Osama somehow fails to realise that the issue here is not sex but the desire of being together (that is the issue of concern), which is why the girl says: 'I wish you were like my brother to me', then no one critize their relationship (that is the two knowing each other).

At the same time Osama considers the phrase to be a permission from God to engage in such practice (that is sex between brother and sister); I simply fail to see how the narrative and the sayings of this girl becomes a matter of divine law or permission.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Osama wrote:

I never said that they were BIOLOGICAL siblings. This is clear in her wish if he were her brother. I said that the bible praises INCESTUOUS FANTACIES and relationships.

Elijah replies:

Where does the Bible praise anything in the context of the chapter?

And should you not rather worry about Muhammmad, a 50 year old dreaming about Aisha at her age of six, and actually engaging in sex with her when she is nine.

Seems like islam praises the fantazies of pedofilia, and praises the fulfilments of the dream:

Bukhari vol. 7, #65: "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 7, #88: "Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

Contrary to Osama, I can't say these are my favorit passages in the bulk of islamic literature.

Keep in my that even though Osama was correct about particular passage in the Song of songs, the girl who wished that her lover would be to her like a brother, is not the religious example of Jews or Christians, but Muhammad is the example of muslims.

Osama Abdallah said...

Hogan,

The entire book, that is supposedly praised by GOD Almighty in your bible, SINGS SONGS ABOUT HER:

1- BREASTS.

2- VAGINA.

3- "THEIR BED"


And you say it is not about sex? Why would GOD Almighty say this verse that clearly promotes both fornication/adultery and incestuous relationships? If she was his WIFE, then it wouldn't be bad to bring him home, would it?

Man talk about being desperate!! :-).

Song of Songs 8:1-3 "IF ONLY YOU WERE TO ME LIKE MY BROTHER, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links

Good night everyone!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Define pornography Osama?

Don't tell me that there are no references to sex in the Qur'an and the hadith, hence according to your methodology, islam promotes pornography.

Islam describes in great details sexual intercourse, both positions and...well, I will leave there.

It describes also sex (rape) with female captives, sex (rape) with slaves, sex with women in contemporary marriages, which is prostitution:

Shih Al-Bukhari part 7 page 37: While we were in the army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, you have been allowed to have pleasure (Muta) so do it. If a man and a woman agree to marry temporarily, their marriage should last for three nights, and if they want to continue, they may do so.

I will agree that the Song of song is clearly about romance and sex, which is a necessity in the human life. However in contrast to the view of Osama this is not to be mixed with pornography.

The baal worshippers of this time used to practice sex publicly in their shrines and temples and anyone interested was permitted to observe it--that is pornography.

In contrast the Song of songs serves rather as a manuel of romance and sex, and Muhammad (your prophet and supposed God's mouth piece) in the hadiths himself guided his followers in close details how sex was to be done, in what sense can you then condemn the Song of songs, which at least describes sex metahporically?

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Osama Abdallah wrote:

Hogan,

The entire book, that is supposedly praised by GOD Almighty in your bible, SINGS SONGS ABOUT HER:

1- BREASTS.

2- VAGINA.

3- "THEIR BED"

And you say it is not about sex?

Elijah replies:

I agree the book is about sex!

So?

Are you saying that sex is from the devil?

Are you then condemning your prophet Muhammad when he instructs his followers about sex.

Does not the Qur'an talk about breats, beds, does not Muhammad refer to the entirety of this matter in exact wording and details. I think you have shot yourself in the foot here.

Osama wrote:

Why would GOD Almighty say this verse that clearly promotes both fornication/adultery and incestuous relationships? If she was his WIFE, then it wouldn't be bad to bring him home, would it?

Elijah replies:

This is exactly my point! The verse is not promoting fornication, adultery and incestuous relationship. This is your own mind working Osama (when you decide to see sex everywhere you will see it), and this is exactly why I stated that you have not bothered to do a exegetical study of the book.

The two love birds are not married (true), but they are engaged, they desire each other, and they finally escape after the wedding away from the crowd and the people who have hindered their relationship (keep reading) to the spicy mountains. It was and is still rather common in eastern weddings to separate the girl and the boy, prior to, under and even after the wedding, in fact it is a common experience that a newly married couples in such a setting and culture only wish to get away and spend time in their private, that is basically what you see here.

There is nothing here that encourages sex outside marriage or among siblings. Read the book with a normal mind and grasp the beauty of it.

El-Cid said...

Osama said: "... would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!]..."

As I have already pointed out to you above, Osama, women do NOT have semen. If you are going to add words in brackets that do not exist in the text, at least make them biologically possible.

I suggest a basic biology course for you Osama.

Quoting myself from above in the thread: "Seminal fluid is produced by the seminal vesicles, prostate gland, and the bulbo-urethral glands (known as 'Cowper's glands'), and only exists in male biology."

You make yourself look really really ignorant when someone corrects such an obvious mistake that is a biological FACT, and then continue to use the exact same flawed statement.

I can't imagine why anyone would bother to have a formal debate with you. We have all seen here exactly why it is a complete waste of time.

Fernando said...

Usama, aftter another spin twist, said: «I said that the bible praises INCESTUOUS FANTACIES and relationships»...

no it does not Usama... and YOU know (or shoulde... since you are speaking off it...) it...

the onlie thing the Bible is promotting in the beautifull text you quoted is that one may desire the most intense intimacy with the loved one...

we Christians do not demonize sex...

and obviouslie you are ignoring that the Bible text must be interpreted in its broad meanings: historical and spiritual... The women desiring to become the "ha" of the male to be hable to express publicaly her affect to him is an expression of the love of humanity toward God... that's wie He became our brother and fulfilled the moste amaizing desire of the only One True God: marrie with all off us in an eternal nuptial love...

does spirituality, suported by the correct undestanding off the text, meaning mean anything to you Usama?

And Usama… does not the qur’an, who does not accept a spiritual readingg, promote pornographie?... see:

sura 2:223: «Your women are a tilth (space to receive the semen) for you (to cultivate your pleasure) so go to your tilth as ye will»;

sura 23:5-6: «guard your modesty (literaly: private parts, id est, the “pennies”); but you don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls»;

not forgetting that your “heaven” is an authentical and inmoral Bacchanalia…

and your god being totallie obcessed with virgins…

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Despite of turning our thoughts to Song of songs 8, I still wonder if Osama could explain to us why my computer virus system detects and removes a trojan horse attempting to enter my computer from Osama's website whenever I enter his website?

Osama may say that various virus protection systems have unjustly black listed his website. And he wants to take them to court.

But why does my virus system then detect and sort out a trojan horse upon entering his website?

This is still evidence that his website is not safe to enter, and that was only two days ago.

Would Osama not loose such a court case?

Even this morning I talked to a brother who also suspected Osama website to have somehow effected his computer. It is not just me!

No virus system would react in this manner when entering the majority of websites, whether Christian or Muslim, but answering-Christianity is clearly provoking the virus protection systems.

Why?

Is he collecting data? Is he involved with interent hacking on computers and Christian websites, their addresses and locations?

Could Osama please provide some explanation.

Osama Abdallah said...

Hogan,

You said:

"I agree the book is about sex!

So?

Are you saying that sex is from the devil?"

Answer:


When your bible praises sex between a boyfriend and a girlfriend (or a man and his lover), and when your bible praises her quote about her wishing that he was her brother so it wouldn't be a problem taking him home "TO OUR BED" anytime to obviously have sex, then yes, there is evil in that. It is definitely not about a husband and his wife, FOR YOUR WIFE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WISH IF YOU WERE HER BROTHER, Hogan.

Why is a prostitute's and a whore's words so praised in your bible? ARE THESE REALLY DIVINE REVELATIONS HOGAN?

THE READER CAN VISIT: www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links

Have a good day,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Fernando said...

Usama... once again... "ha" is nott de per se "brother"... how difficultte is it to see that fact? Did you read the books I presented here? As you know the division by chapters and verses are quite tardive... 8:1 does note makke a complete litterary unity with 8:2 or 8:3... they're individual statements... but eben iff that was not the case, there was no problem for the motives I presented before...

Usama: I'll be praying for your heart...

Fernando said...

For me I'm finished bie this debate... the onlie thing you do is repeating, and repeating, the same hallow statements that anyone can see that are due to the lack of knoledge of the text... I'll let your muslimes brothers judge you...

Osama Abdallah said...

And Hogan, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOUR WIFE need to take you to her mother's home to have sex with you???

It is clear that the book is talking about a boyfriend and a girlfriend, which means that YES, YOUR BIBLE DOES PRAISE fornication and whoredom in this book.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Osama wrote:

When your bible praises sex between a boyfriend and a girlfriend (or a man and his lover), and when your bible praises her quote about her wishing that he was her brother so it wouldn't be a problem taking him home "TO OUR BED" anytime to obviously have sex, then yes, there is evil in that. It is definitely not about a husband and his wife, FOR YOUR WIFE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WISH IF YOU WERE HER BROTHER, Hogan.

Why is a prostitute's and a whore's words so praised in your bible? ARE THESE REALLY DIVINE REVELATIONS HOGAN?

Elijah replies:

This is getting funny, who said that the boy and the girl were having illicit sex, who said anything about sex outside marriage.

Osama why don't you do an exegetical study of the Song of songs, these are not two youngsters engaging in sex, these are two youngsters who are bethroth to each other, who long for each other, this, mixed with some intriguer from the community to separate them, to keep them apart is what the context is all about.

In the last chapter, they are finally together and fly off to the spicy mountains, that is when sex takes place, and that is probably after their wedding if you know how to read the book.

The book is not chronological, I hope you understand that.

I explained this in details in an earlier post.

Anyway, you can make what you want of the book, the Song of songs is beautiful literature and indeed attractive, that is much more than you can say about a 50 year old man's marriage with a nine year old, if that is not illicit, I for sure fail to grasp what you find so disgusting about the Song of songs.

As to your brother-sister sex allegation, we have already refuted you.

You seem to just repeat yourself again and again despite us debunking you repeatedly, and you simply continue in the sama monologue without engaging into any meaningful dialogue.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

And Hogan, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOUR WIFE need to take you to her mother's home to have sex with you???

It is clear that the book is talking about a boyfriend and a girlfriend, which means that YES, YOUR BIBLE DOES PRAISE fornication and whoredom in this book.

Elijah replies:

You are completely reading your sick ideas into the book;

I take it that you completely lack the basics in reading literature.

As I said she longs to be with him, so yeah she longs to be with him and to engage in love making with him that is obvious.

Since the opposition of somekind hinders this, she wished that he was like a brother to her, but that is only in relation to their separation, and of course then the analogy follows she would take him home.

You need to separate between the analogy of her wording in which she grasps any analogy be with him (which refers to their unity) and her romantic desire toward him which culminates in what they will do when they once are together as a man and wife, that is 8: 14.

This has nothing to do with to youngsters having illicit sex in a mothers house.

Again I say, Osama do a exegetical study of the book. Or take a course in literature.

Literature can be a complicated study, that is why there are courses about it, and the Song of songs is certainly not the most easy book to get on board. I have spent significant time reading it back and forward and writing a number of assignments on it.

Osama Abdallah said...

Hogan,

Why don't you read the texts that I quoted from the book at:

www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm


In there, you'll see that they WENT TO THE FIELD AND SHE GAVE HIM ALL OF HER LOVE!

And you say it is not about them having sex??? Man, you are playing games!

Yes indeed Hogan! The book is PRAISING FORNICATION between the boyfriend and his girlfriend!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

I did not say its not about sex, I said that the girl uses various phrases in metaphorical terms to describe matters, and in chapter 8: 1 it concerns the attempt to keep them separate, she therefore uses an analogy, saying: I wish you were like a brother to me.

Why does she use such a phrase? Is it because God encourages brother and sister to have sex?

No!

But because people were intervening between them, it has absolutely nothing to do with sex between brother and sister or sexual fantazies between brother and sister.

Take a lesson in ancient literature Osama.

The Song of song has nothing to do with illicit sex between youngsters either, the problem is you Osama, because you fail to understand the book, you fail to understand its chronology and message.

As I said previosly as a muslim you should rather worry about you prophet engaging in sex with a nine year old girl and dreaming about her prior even to their engagement.

You should also worry about your religion encouraging rape of female captives, slaves and muta marriages.

So don't come and here and complain about the Song of songs and illicit sex.

Islam permits and encourages its followers to rape girls taken in war, that is what I call illicit.

Islam allowed the followers to marry for one night merely for sexual purposes that is why I call illicit sex.

Your religion permits a 50 year old to dream about sex with 6 year old girls and to marry and have sex with 9 year old girls, that is what I call illicit conduct and sex.

And there is no point asking me to read anything from your website, it is still virus loaded.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

And have you to say mr Osama about your website implanting a trojan horse on my computer.

Don't come and tell me that the virus protection systems lie, my virus protection virtually detected and sorted out a trojan horse from your website, only two days ago.

Don't ever encourage me to visit your website, I take that very offencive.

Please begin by explaining to us why virus protection systems react when people enter answering-Christianity?

Royal Son said...

Funny isn't it. Osama's site infects people's computers with trojans and he wants to sue McAfee.

I wonder how Osama would respond to multiple lawsuits from visitors to his site.

Not that I would do it, but it is curious the way his mind works.

KeithTruth said...

Osama is gay pervert. All he thinks about is sex and he projects his weird fantasies into the Bible and makes stuff up.

Fernando said...

Osama… since you have some problem with Song of Songs 8:1-3… here whate I explained before to you… no wonder you’re gettingue the fame off being someone with some kind off problemes… I’ll prayingue for you!!!

The problem, I guess, his youre totallie lack off knoledge of the semitic value off the word "ha"... iff you knew it, you woulde see how ridiculous is youre positionne and understand whie no one didn'te eben needed to unser you... is that your best shotte? Poor sold... I'll be prayieng eben more for you...

It's like somme a colour-blind person saying in courte, after a car crash, when viewing a colour tape of his crash with the light cleralie in red: «the light was green!!!»... No one needed to say anything... they're sorrie for him... but then the judge would say: you're mistaken...

I'll show you whie: the masculine noun "ha" may referr to brother of blood, half-brother, close relatives AND milk-brothers (someonne from other familye who was fead with someone's other mother breast milk... as it was common with the son of princesses...)... it's clearlie this late the case in this text:

a) it's a poemme about a girl and a boy withe totallie different economic backgrounds...;

b) the girl his dreamming of an intimacie to the boy simmilar off the one milk-brothers habe (raised together since childhood...);

c) they crearlie doesn't habe the same mother... that's whie she sais: «bring you to my mother's house»... not «OUR mother’s house»… which would be eben more suitteded to the structure of the poem…;

d) no where is an incestuous relattion pointed outt here… so, the factt that she desires the boi to habe a tast of her’s vaginal fluid (bie the waie: where in the world does women habe semen? Perhaps in muslims countries… or it was a “lapsus linguae” that expressed, Usama, your more incontious desiresof drinking semen? Onlie you can saie…) -- «the nectar of my pomegranates» has YOU saide… -- doesn’t represent a probbleme… also in islam women fluid (“madhiy”) is not inpure… but that’s not the case: the word yoy say it means vagina is navel… so sad for you…

But iff you want another schoolar explanation, please read: Tremper Longman's "Song of Songs", p. 203 where he explains that the onlie reason the girll wanted to be the boy's sister was to be hable to kiss him like brothers in public without shame... she does not wantt to be her sister to have incestuos relations with him... see also Larry L. Lyke's "I Will Espouse You Forever: The Song of Songs and the Theology of Love in the Hebrew Bible"...