Tuesday, September 20, 2016

Did Jesus Pray Like a Muslim?

An odd but common Muslim argument insists that Jesus prayed like a Muslim, so Christians should pray like Muslims. In this video, I respond by taking a closer look at the prayers of Jesus.


Timothy Jordan said...

Actually, many Christians do make full prostrations with the head touching the floor. During the Holy Fast of Lent, Christians of the Byzantine Rite do it hundreds of times. We were doing this long before the false religion of islam came along.

youguerten ouikhalfen said...

Muslims pray both ways, Christians don't,the amazing things about the act of Prayer by MUslims is they're using not only their heart but also their entire body ,showing total submition to God all mighty ,if you continue reading that vers of the bible you find that Jesus want not to be killed in the cross ,if he is God he can just defeat his enemy,without praying to God to save him from the peopel,we all agree that God is all mighty and powerful,but according to that vers Jesus was not powerful.

John E said...

Another excellent video, brother David!!!

Praise our Lord Jesus Christ for your continuing work :)

In relation to your (obviously rhetorical) question of why so many Muslims engage in such deception, the truth is that such deception and lying is, as you know, taught in and endorsed by Islam.

The most famous of the several forms of deception permitted in Islam is 'Taqiyya' - and your video on this topic remains to this day one of my all-time personal favourites - but in this particular case, the form of deception being employed appears to be 'Kitman', or lying by omission (a common tactic when trying to make Bible passages appear as if they agree with Islam).

Other forms of lying endorsed by Islam, as you are no doubt aware, include 'Tawirya' (intentionally creating a false impression), and 'Muruna' (deliberately setting aside the practices of Islam and Sharia to 'blend in', while furthering the cause of Islam).

Compare and contrast such religiously-sanctioned lying and deception with the teachings and example of Jesus Christ, Who is not only the Way and the Life, but also the TRUTH; and through Whom there is no other Way to the Father (John 14:6).

So thankyou for once again for shedding the light of Christ's truth on the kinds of deception that Christians have to contend with in this area.

Your brother in Christ,

[PS In relation to the latter form of deception, please permit me to register a 'future video request' with you, as I would love you to explore and unpack the topic of 'Muruna' further (as you did for 'Taqiyya').
It seems to be a form of deception that has fooled many Non-Muslims and their leaders, by making them think that some Muslim Terrorists are/were not 'authentic Muslims' when they commit their atrocities (e.g. the 9/11 terrorists: who ate pork and drank alcohol to throw off suspicion, in the lead up to their attacks).
I think this is a topic that many people need to be made better aware of, and could really benefit from your unique touch.]

Dagmar van Dusschoten said...

Great video David,
however, I always understood this verse as one where Jesus was lying down, not kneeling down as is argued by some muslims. It was a exceptional prayer where He probably was at his most fragile, pleading for his life.

Sentient Christian said...

I wonder if Islam actually makes Muslims even more stupid or something ?

Troy_G said...

Hey DW,

I think should have a theme song. Watching one of your videos, a few lyrics came to mind, so I thought I'd butcher a song in your honor. And what better tune than "Eye of the Tiger"? Unfortunately, the first lyrics that came to mind went to the tune of “Rubber Duckie” (as sung by Ernie from “Sesame Street”).

1. David Wood, you’re the one,
who keeps dawah merchants on the run,
for the benefit of all us mushrikun
(to avoid dhimmitude.)

2. A new video! Joy of joys,
You cut clean through taqiyyic noise,
and take a wrecking ball to atheism too.
(presuppositional “One punch man”-fu)

Ev’ry day, when I make my way to the study,
I watch a Bronxy fellow whose apologetics are sahih,
taunting keyboard jihadis.

4. Thank you for giving the time
to teach on Muhammad and urine,
and Satan farting at the sound of the adhan too.
(so many ablutions to do).

Ev’ry day, when I need a way to de-stress,
I find the sound of two-forty pounds of awesomeness,
Squeezed into his wife’s dress.

5. David Wood, you’re the man
turning the light on to Islam,
David Wood, you're a top debater,
Watch out! Tocmar dropped his calculator;
“Oopsie!” No! Please just get it later...doooooo.

Maybe someone can help out by setting these lyrics to the music? I can hardly carry a tune in a bucket. Maybe make a composite video of people singing a line or two: Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller...? I have the ambition but not the ability.

The Burwell Family Travels said...

When defending a lie it is not possible to do so without resorting to lies and dishonesty. Christians are of the truth and need not and should not ever resort to such tactics.
I am fascinated that muslims never seem to notice that Islam needs the endorsement of Jesus and the Bible in order to validate it, however both completely repudiate Islam.

John Strickland said...

youguerten ouikhalfen, actually Jesus all powerful. He healed the sick, raised the dead, calmed the storm, walked on water, etc. Why did Jesus struggle in the garden? And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. - Philippians 2:8. Jesus did this for YOU and me and everyone else. God saves us. Through Jesus, we're not slaves. But sons.
Jesus, who is God, took on our humanity to redeem humanity. He knew the horror that was to come - the cross. He knew the anguish of what was to come of being separated from His Father because He took on our sin. That is Jesus' anguish in the garden of Gethsemane.

foofy said...


Since when do they pray both ways? S. Muslim v.4 0863 says Huraira says no, they are not allowed to. (Thanks to Dio Rex in the comments.)

Jesus stated numerous times that he was obligated to die on the cross. (Matthew 16:21, Mark 10:45)

Here's a verse for you:

AV Mt 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

AV Mt 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Your argument, thus about "killing his enemy"? God could have killed Jesus' enemies, but felt it was important not to. We still believe God was with Jesus.

Mojnu Mia said...

@youguerten ouikhalfen, when you pray, pray with your whole heart, closing the door. God sees our hearts. But Muslims pray on the street to show people, when they fast they spit frequently to show people. But Jesus said to behave normal when fasting. To understand Jesus being Son of God, did not ask for sending thousands of angel to fight for Him, you have to know purpose of his coming down into hell earth from Heaven. It is not that easy Muhammad presented in his Quran to lie about Jesus Christ.

surah 4:157- And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

This surah 4:157 is total lie and blaspheme to God’s love for mankind and Jesus’ sacrifice at the Cross. Muhammad never saw Holy God nor he talked with God like all other biblical prophets. He had no knowledge of God. Unless God forgive, Muhammad and his followers would pay price for believing this lie, burning in hell fire for eternal life.

May God help opening Muslims’ inner eyes to see His love for mankind!!

Andrew said...

Good stuff David.

Jonathan and Vlad parodied this muslim technique beautifully. They said they can prove atheism is true from the shahada, as it says "there is no god..."

Joseph Spitzig said...

Moslems pray bottoms-up, mooning the one true God.

otto lolich said...

So, Why does Jesus Pray to God???? I thought you guys believe he is God already.... HEHEHE. David, God prays to him self to be saved from evil people... Hahaha...OR, wait, He is dieing for criminals who are killing him so they can go to heaven... God dies for sinners???

Andrew said...

Dear otto, 2000 years ago the Apostle Paul said that the gospel was offensive to Jews and ridiculous to Greeks (gentiles). So it seems from your post that the more things change the more they stay the same.

Btw, your whole post looks a cut and paste job from Richard Dawkins "the God delusion".

If you really want an answer for why Jesus prayed to God, Paul explains in Philippians 2:5-6

John Strickland said...

That's because you don't understand the mystery of the Trinity and that the Son is distinct from the Father. David knows this and I'm sure he has heard what you're saying hundreds of times because I've heard it lots of times and I'm new at this. Jesus prays because he takes the form of a servant, a servant who is perfectly obedient in our place.It also reveals a relationship that existed in eternity. Hope this helps.

John Strickland said...

Also, the church had been battling the heresy that Jesus is not God since way before Islam. Nothing new under sun.

The Burwell Family Travels said...

yes Christ died for the ungodly, since there were and are nothing but sinners what other kind of people could He die for?