Monday, July 1, 2013

Yahya Snow's Farcical Debate Challenge

A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. – Shakespeare

Yahya Snow, one of the least capable defenders of one of the world’s least defensible religions, recently issued a number of debate challenges to ABN. Hilariously, these challenges were not issued to anyone who has appeared on the “Jesus or Muhammad?” show but were instead directed at the “managers/editors” of ABN TV. This is all really quite strange for a debate challenge; particularly since those who appear on the “Jesus or Muhammad?” show regularly engage in just such activities. It is all the more risible since a number of people who appear on the show have been challenging Yahya to debate for several years now on his idolatrous, pseudo-prophetic religion.

What makes Yahya’s challenges even more laughable is the fact that he is not planning to debate anyone himself. Like the loud-mouthed girl who gets her boyfriend in trouble, Yahya hopes to have someone else do the debating for him. He also doesn’t even have Mr. Right lined up yet. Only if the good “managers/editors” at ABN agree to the debate challenges will Yahya seek to attract a Muslim dawagandist to come to his rescue and debate for him.

As someone who has challenged Yahya to debate in the past only to be met with a list of excuses almost as long as Muhammad’s blasphemies against God and crimes against mankind, I have naturally taken an interest in his recent “challenges.” Since Yahya keeps deleting my comments and has banned me from his blog only to turn around and lie about what I have said, much like he does when wrenching statements by Sam and David and others out of context in order to slander and discredit them, I have decided to respond here with the following counter-challenge:

Given that you [Yahya] want to debate the ABN “managers/editors” by proxy, I hereby agree to debate as proxy for them. You can choose the man who will be your prince in shining armor, and I will happily debate your champion live on ABN TV. If your stand-in would rather do it in person, we can do it in September in California since Osama Abdallah is clearly not up to the job. A letter from an Imam that the person is qualified to represent their mosque in the debate would be preferable, that way you can't complain when all is said and done.     
And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:5-8)


Justin said...


I'd say the gauntlet has been thrown down.


Deleting said...

Justin said, "Well.

I'd say the gauntlet has been thrown down."

By David yes....not too sure who Yahya will get to throw his down since he's ill-equipped to do it.

Also, I kinda thought debaters were supposed to debate other debaters, not people who don't debate.

I would love to see someone at ABN accept and wipe the floor with him though. I think yahya would have to think twice after that.

Zack_Tiang said...

Justin said,
"I'd say the gauntlet has been thrown down."

And I'll add,
"And the smack down was done by the time the gauntlet hit the floor."

Hazakim1 said...

To borrow the words of a battle rapper:

"(Anthony) will be gone before he hits the floor - And if he claims he won, he'll find him, and bust him up some more "

sla said...

"world’s least defensible religions"

You are probably mistaken , we do not believe in Trinity , incarnation and penal substitution .

It is Christianities central doctrines which are intellectually derailed .

Justin said...


Please demonstrate that the Trinity, the incarnation, and penal substitution are "intellectually derailed."

I do not believe that you can, beyond making brief, unsupported assertions.

Besides that, you did say "probably" mistaken.

I, for one, am not interested in epistemological "probability." I am not interested in thinking that perhaps, maybe, probably, the God that I have devoted my life to is only "probably" the True and Living God.

As I understand it, you serve the "best of all deceivers," and that might make absolute certainty a bit difficult, so I can understand your hesitation in using more absolute terms.

There are only two religions, in reality- the worship of the True and Living God, and the worship of idols. The world's "least defensible religion" is the worship of idols, because everyone knows the True and Living God (Romans 1).

At any rate, please proceed with your dismantling of the "intellectually derailed" doctrines of Christianity. Perhaps you'd take up the gauntlet and be Yahya's champion?


Anthony Rogers said...

Islam is one of the world's least defensible religions. Case in point: "...we [i.e. Muslims] do not believe in Trinity , incarnation and penal substitution," and thus have no basis for predication or any sure hope of salvation. Not to mention that little problem that the above goes against the teachings of all the prophets, the apostles, and the Lord Jesus Himself.

Derek Adams said...

If the Trinity, the incarnation, and penal substitution are derailed, make sure to present us the exact passages in the Quran and accompanying hadith where Mohammed explains what these doctrines teach and how they are logically fallacious. I look forward to the rebuking and rebuttal of these doctrines provided by Allah and his Messenger. O wait, the Quran never accurately defines the Trinity or any other Christian doctrine. In fact one of the greatest Muslim Apologists Bassam Zawadi admitted this in his debate with James White he concedes the Quran is general and ambiguous on purpose to cover Allah's supposed response to all of the possible Christian heresies that were flourishing. I happen to agree with Zawadi the Quran never once singles out the Trinity, incarnation and penal substition as something specifically to condemn. It does however condemn specific heresies such as tritheism and polytheism, which the Trinitarians conjointly agree are utter blasphemies.

Secondly if these doctrines are derailed, why do even worse perversions of these doctrines exist in the Quran and Sunnah?

An obvious example would be in Islam instead of God sending his Son and his Son heroically voluntarily laying down his life for God's people to save the creation he infinitely loves so much and accomplishes this redemption with perfect love and grace, rather than God exemplifying his infinite love and beauty you have Allah redeeming shameless sinful Muslims out of hell through placing the sins of the Muslims upon the sins of Jews and Christians who suffer double jeopardy making Allah completely incompetent and unjust. And that's only a case in point.

I hope Sia isn't the proxy that Yahya Snow ends up choosing.

David Wood said...

Sla, don't you know that, according to Islam, Allah is going to punish Jews and Christians for the sins of Muslims? It seems that your prophet definitely believed in penal substitution. But maybe you know better than Muhammad!

Abu Bakr ibn Abd al-Wahhāb said...

David, do you know what you have just uttered was a complete lie, because if you go to surah 2:286 it says- Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned.

So here it CLEARLY says that whatever good or bad a soul does, it will experience the consequences.

And again in surah 99:7-8 So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it,

And whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it.

David Wood said...

I'm lying? Then why do we open the Muslim source and read:

Sahih Muslim 6665—Abu Musa reported that Allah's Messenger said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim 6666—Allah’s Apostle said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim 6668—Allah’s Messenger [said]: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians.

110 Hadith Qudsi—Allah’s Messenger said: On the Day of Resurrection, my Ummah (nation) will be gathered into three groups. One sort will enter Paradise without rendering an account (of their deeds). Another sort will be reckoned an easy account and admitted into Paradise. Yet another sort will come bearing on their backs heaps of sins like great mountains. Allah will ask the angels though He knows best about them: Who are these people? They will reply: They are humble slaves of yours. He will say: Unload the sins from them and put the same over the Jews and Christians: then let the humble slaves get into Paradise by virtue of My Mercy.

Now since you've just called me a liar, and my claims come directly from Muhammad, you just called Muhammad a liar. Great, I agree with you!

Mike said...

Hi Anthony Rogers, perhaps Yahya should not be taken seriously, but why should we take you seriously? You just presuppose what you believe is true. So, on what basis do you believe what you believe is true? On what basis do you believe the bible has not a single error and/or contradiction? Also, on what basis do you suppose the exodus is an actual historical event as certain as the assassination of Abe Lincoln? Do you just presuppose that's true when the consensus of the archaeological community is that this story is myth? This is just one of many problems with the Bible? Just what is your basis for how you determine whether something is true or not?

Betsy_Ross said...

Adding to the confusion of Sahih Muslim (quoted by David), is the teaching on hell from Sunni book of "sacred law", p.824, "Believers Shall Depart From Hell": v2.7 It is obligatory to hold that true believers in the oneness of Allah will be taken out of hell after having paid for their sins, through the generosity of Allah Mighty and Majestic. No one who is a true monotheist will abide in the fire FOREVER.

This is only amplification on Maryam 71: "There is none of you who will not go down into it (hell). This was the unavoidable decree of your Lord. THEN we will deliver those who fear ..."

IF this lying lout, Allah, is going to substitute Christians and Jews for the hell bound Muslims, why put them in hell at all? Just shovel the Christians and Jews in their places straightaway, and be done with it.