Monday, July 1, 2013

Dinner is Served

Inspired by Osama's mind-numbing and hunger-inducing performance in some recent debates that took place in Michigan, Radical Moderate has produced the following compilation of some of Osama's more memorable lines and precious moments, including making quite a spectacle of himself while calling someone "the biggest &*% of the Internet."

80 comments:

rivan said...

Radical Moderate...That was awesome!..Nice work and thanks for this :)

Trinity325 said...

Hey, this is bobo577. That video is so funny. Nice one.

ignatius said...

Anthony,

I recommend removing this. I think it is a bit malicious to post a film with the poor guy's worst moments concentrated in five minutes. Osama has real guts to defend the indefensible, so I have to admire him in a way, and I have hope that he will someday become a Christian. I would feel, however, quite ill used by Christians if they posted such a film of me in my low points during a debate.

Radical Moderate said...

There was so much I left out. Going over Sams debate I should of put in his goofy statements about the EYE only being given to Mohamed lol

DrOakley said...

I only have one question: why, oh why, do we waste our time with Osama? I beat my head against his invincible ignorance in 2008. Every debate is an utter wipe-out with the man. It was time to retire Osama and Nadir more than half a decade ago, wasn't it? Wouldn't it be better to have someone *role play* a Muslim than to suffer through this kind of silliness?

James

Osama Abdallah said...

"I only have one question: why, oh why, do we waste our time with Osama? I beat my head against his invincible ignorance in 2008. Every debate is an utter wipe-out with the man. It was time to retire Osama and Nadir more than half a decade ago, wasn't it? Wouldn't it be better to have someone *role play* a Muslim than to suffer through this kind of silliness?

James"

To the weasel Dr. Arrogance, who thinks he is all that, when he is none of that LOL. How were my debates disasterous? Did I not present my points thoroughly and clearly in all four of them? Why don't you come to California in September and debate me on your false trinity, so I would put you and your false faith in your place?

You believe in nothing but spaghetti and conjecture. You have a doctorate degree in conjecture and cooking spaghetti, Chef James White.

Your friends here know that I entered their den, and kicked the turd out of all of them! This is why they can't rest, and they have to come up with these silly videos. And this wasn't even my best performance. If we do this again in September, then you'll find a much better speaker with more thorough arguments.

Osama Abdallah

Anthony Rogers said...

Dr. White,

We are all in agreement. The debates scheduled in Michigan were supposed to be with others who backed out. Osama was quick to fill in for them and George told us late in the game that Osama would be filling in for the Muslims. I have already made it clear that I will not debate Osama again.

Osama Abdallah said...

"Every debate is an utter wipe-out with the man"

I don't think David Wood thinks his debates with me were "utter wipe-out".

I don't think the others I debated think that either.


You're too full of yourself, and you're too much of an arrogant clown. Learn to humble yourself a little. If you have humiliated me so bad, then why don't you post our debates? Instead, you posted only YOUR rebuttal, which showed that how I bombarded the hell out of you with points that left you silenced. LOOLLL. You know everything except the "kitchen sink" as you put it :).

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

Anthony the liar,

You have issued me a debate challenge during our debate. Man, I can't believe you people.

And by the way, don't think that I am dying to be in your fellowship. I am only for defending my Cherished and Precious Faith. I am not dying to be in your company. Know this well.

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

And Anthony the liar,

What was so disastrous about my debate with you? It went very smoothly all the way to the very end.

LOL, many you're amazing. And by the way, it was George who texted me. I never asked him. In fact, I refused at first because I am very busy, but he texted me again.

So your lies and arrogance don't hold water.

Osama Abdallah

Gazza Sloane said...

Dr. White!!
I've been looking for a contact email address for you because of something you said in a "About Islam" video. You said or seemed to imply that Pentecostalism is anti-Christian. I would just like some information for this about why pentecostalism is wrong.

My email is garethsloane@hotmail.co.uk

I hope you gets this James

Regards

Gareth

Radical Moderate said...

Dr White

He's the only one who would show up.

Radical Moderate said...

Ignatius

These were some of his best moments. Part of the problem of editing the four debates, (other then the fact I gained 4 lbs because I kept going to olive garden for spaghetti and ravioli) is that there was so much to include.

Osama Abdallah said...

And Anthony the liar,

Let's debate "Is Prophet Muhammad in the Bible?" again, so that I would thoroughly debunk and destroy those verses that you threw in the debate, which I have thoroughly refuted in my text-commentary in the video.

Your conjecture and spaghetti hold no water. You're only good in sneaking in "Fast Ones" in the debate. This is no real victory. This is a trailor trash screaming empty victory. You have to argue and put spaghetti crap forth to prove that Jesus is GOD? You couldn't simply find it there.

Osama Abdallah

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama said: "You have issued me a debate challenge during our debate. Man, I can't believe you people."

I hate to make you relive the experience, but go ahead and go back over our debate and see where I issued any challenge to you to debate anything in the future.

Osama said: "What was so disastrous about my debate with you? It went very smoothly all the way to the very end."

That's funny. Have you listened to the end of our debate where you started to interrupt me? I do grant that it was quite mild compared to your outbursts in your debates with Sam and Louis, but good golly man, you had no case and no self-control. Islam is doing you a disservice.

Osama said: "LOL, many you're amazing. And by the way, it was George who texted me. I never asked him. In fact, I refused at first because I am very busy, but he texted me again."

Did I say otherwise?

Anthony Rogers said...

BTW, Osama, have you seen the latest comments on your debate performance by Yahya Snow:

"Osama’s performance in many ways reflected this four-fold dilution despite making numerous good points he lacked flow, organisation of thoughts, coherence (at times), research, planning, structure and decorum (at times). This is not doing the Muslim community justice at all."

This is almost exactly right, except you had no good points (though minoria might disagree) and you have done plenty of research. You have been at this for a long time. I honestly expected a little (but not much) more from you. Take James' advice and hang up your hat.

Radical Moderate said...

Osama

You did so bad even muslims are saying you did bad, and not a single Muslim blogger has posted your debates.

That should tell u something. They have abandoned you.

Now come to Christ

Trinity325 said...

Osama, It's interesting you describe James White as Dr Arrogant, I don't see him in that light. Also, Didn't you get my video response to your video about Jesus not dying in the NT scriptures? I eagerly await a response.

As for your behaviour, at least wait until the person's finished before making a point, you did try and speak during some points. I am guilty of that in one debate I did but I now know better.

Regarding your debate with Anthony, you went off on a tangent about science in the Quran, unless you have a good reason for it?

bobo577.

Trinity325 said...

DrOakley, I have no idea why you guys debate Osama, regarding your question. Also, I myself am waiting for Shadid Lewis to respond to my videos but I am not going to hold my breath

bobo577

Trinity325 said...

Also another thing Osama, Why ON EARTH did you bring up the fact you had a Chinese Bible? Furthermore, What are you on about when it comes to the subject of Phoenician and Hebrew anyway?

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama, what is it about "I will not debate Osama again" that you do not understand?

Your dishonest maneuvering after the debate where you not only added comments to our debate but even blocked me from replying to them on your channel is more than enough reason not to debate you again. You did this even though I told you if you edit the debates I will not give you another chance to save face. The fact that you did so terribly in our debate (as well as the other three) and are not even respected by your co-religionists is another reason not to debate you.

Gazza Sloane said...

I would like to see the debate seen at 1:22

Radical Moderate said...
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Radical Moderate said...

Gaza

The debate at 1:22 is the debate between Eddie Delcour and Osama.

The quality production video by The Center for Religious Debate and Ministry to Muslims has not been posted yet.

So you will have to wait to see the quality production.

Hazakim1 said...

Say what you will about Osama, but his "Spaghetti" analogy is classic and should become added to the contemporary debate dictionary. I actually think Osama is a likeable guy...just sorely mistaken and proud. We love you Osama...you just need to humble yourself.

Hazakim1 said...

Osama...my first debate I got beat....granted I was at deaths door, had lost about 50 pounds and was debating an experienced debater. Part 2 was different as I learned a lot and came back swinging - winning the debate. You suffer from a smidgen of performance anxiety Osama and you let your emotions get the best of you. And to make matters worse, you argue in defense of a false religion.

Humble yourself, take your lumps, learn the craft, repent towards the Divine Messiah, join us and defend a solid faith. If you follow these steps, you may prove to be great!

Deleting said...

Hazakim1 said, "Humble yourself, take your lumps, learn the craft, repent towards the Divine Messiah, join us and defend a solid faith. If you follow these steps, you may prove to be great!"

Aside from his propensity to using the word 'Spaghetti' in an insult, looking like a'that 70's show' extra cast member reject and possessing absolutely NO TALENT or even ARGUMENT for his stupid religion you really hold out THAT much hope for him, don't you?

You are truly kind indeed.

Zack_Tiang said...

very disappointing performance... not a shred of professionalism... but all amateur and kindergarten tantrums.

But it is indeed commendable as Osama is clearly the sole champion who would dare face the Christian champions, even by himself, in four debates within a span of two days.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Gazza Sloan,

You can watch the debates at: http://www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.
I have one last one to upload, but the one you referenced is there.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

By the way, on the I AM point, I used THREE GREEK online dictionaries that prove that "eimi" means:

1- I was.
2- I have.
3- I existed.
4- I am.

Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm. I completely forgot to mention this during the debate. One important point that I missed. In fact, in John 3:28, it is translated as "I have".

Christian A. said...

Hajj Osama is obsessed with this spaghetti stuff

Trinity325 said...

Osama, I have a video series where Sam Shamoun, on my bobo577 account on YouTube which addresses what you say about the "before Abraham was born I have". Do that series of videos deals with the point you made.

Trinity325 said...

Also, what bearing does your point about I am or I have on John 8:58? I am not a Greek expert BTW, but wouldn't context determine how Ego Eimi is translated?

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama,

Please quit while you are light years behind.

The phrase "I have been..." in John 3:28 is one (and certainly not the only) way of translating the final clause of the passage. But worse for you is the fact that this is not a translation of an emphatic "I" statement (ego eimi) without a predicate but of the simple word "to be" (eimi) with a predicate. It is not the same construction that is found in John 8:58. Sorry to burst your bubble...again.

Anthony Rogers said...

Although the syntax is different from John 8:58, earlier in the verse John the Baptist says "I am not (ouk eimi ego) the Christ..." Notice that no translation renders it "I was not the Christ." In every case it is "I am not the Christ."

Herakleios said...

@Osama:
First of all, i am not an expert in ancient greek, but right now i am only a few days away from my "graecum". Dr. White could possibly give a much more detailed and correct answer, but as you mentioned the "eimi" again, here is my answer:
You are right about εἰμί. It can have the 4 meanings. Just like "be" can have the meaning of "to be", "will be", "has BEen". But just as in the context of "be", you have to look at the grammar, syntax, context. The greek word can change its form in this progress very strongly - that is why one has to learn a lot of formal stuff in greek, so that you can find a word in the dictionary. εἰμί is a good example for this. Just look at the following:
The form of the word εἰμί is: 1. person, singular, indicative, present, active. It means "I am".
Saying "i was" would be 1. person, singular, indicative, imperfect/aorist/perfect, active.
There might be very special cases and the NT greek is a bit different from the classical greek, so that the present form could have a more general meaning. This different meaning would have to be justified very strongly from the context, otherwise εἰμί plainly means "i am", or "i exist".
To say "i was" one would use, just as in english, a past-tense. In greek this could be "imperfect","aorist","perfect" or "plusquamperfect". This is even more important, when you want to stress the fact that it means „i was“. The word εἰμί however usually only comes in the present, future and imperfect form.
present: εἰμί
future: ἔσομαι
imperfect: ἦν
As far as i know, for the perfect/plusquamperfect form one would use the word γίγνομαι or other words.
So here are the forms for the „past-tense“:
imperfect: ἦν
aorist: in this case one would use the aorist of the word γίγνομαι, that would be then: ἐγενόμην
and perfect: γέγονα, γεγένημαι (both forms possible, again not using the εἰμί form).

As you can see, the word changes dramaticly and looking at the form ἦν, without the proper knowledge you would never look up the word under epsilon „ε“, but under eta „η“, because ἦν starts with eta – but you wouldnt find anything under eta in the dictionary … or maybe if you are lucky you could find a hint, to look under epsilon ;) . εἰμί in the dictionary sums up all the different meanings, including the past tense, including the ἦν-version, so that is why the dictionay lists "i was".
I hope i could clear the thins a bit up … to say it in short: eimi/εἰμί means usually something in the „present“ form. Future and Past forms would look very different, or at least the context would have to give a very strong hint, to NOT use it in the present form. Although eimi might have a more general meaning in this way, that would have to be justified very, very strongly by the context.
In the case of „ἐγώ εἰμί“ one could argue, that it is linked very closely to the OT and linking it to Ex3,14, the meaning of the name of god, giving it an eternal meaning – like the hebrew אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה … which can be translated in almost all time-forms, but usally with: i am, who i am, But this would further destroy your case, because it would link it even more closely to the divine nature of god. On the details about the hebrew, one would need a complete new article and again, i am not an expert, although i do can translate it properly.

rivan said...

Has anyone done a debate on the so called scientific miracles in the quran? Tried searching on youtube but couldnt find one with a good muslim debater. Any of our resident debaters( David,Sam,Anthony or Dr White) take part in any?

rivan

David Wood said...

I debated that with Osama a while back, but he refuses to give me an unedited copy to post on my site.

Radical Moderate said...

Rivan

I don't know if anyone has done an actual debate on the scientific miracles. But here is a video of Adnan Rashid embarrassing himself.

Adnan Rasheed

Herakleios said...

When i am finished with my graecum and have some freetime in September, i will put up an article, or maybe even a video that will refute Osamas "90 Feet Adam" science claim ... realy ridiculous, this "growing" earth claim.

Osama Abdallah said...

"When i am finished with my graecum and have some freetime in September, i will put up an article, or maybe even a video that will refute Osamas "90 Feet Adam" science claim ... realy ridiculous, this "growing" earth claim."

Make sure you also refute the scientists that I posted a video of, and articles, from Harvard University and NASA as well. Don't just re-manufacture the old garbage that AI's website has. My link can be found at: www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm.

Osama Abdallah

Herakleios said...

@Osama: Yes ... i have read your article and i will make my own article. Actually i havent read anything on AIs Website about this topic.
The scientists you quoted and your articles from harvard and NASA will not be a problem - actually you seem to have missunderstood a lot of things and my article will clear that up. Until then, i hope to see some more debates, those 4 have been very entertaining!

Radical Moderate said...

Osama why wont you release the debate you had with David Wood on the scientific blunders of the Quran?

Heraklios

Look up Osama Abdullah and the 90 foot Adam. Some atheist did a prank on Osama, something that to this day he has still fallen for.

Osama Abdallah said...

"Osama why wont you release the debate you had with David Wood on the scientific blunders of the Quran?"

I already released the "Is the Quran a Scientific Miracle?" debate years ago. It's David who never released it. It's at the top of the SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES Section on my website, and also on my youtube page:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom

Osama Abdallah

David Wood said...

Osama, we're talking about unedited footage, not one of your heavily edited and annotated editions. You added so much nonsense to your video, it ended up almost five hours long! You obviously didn't feel good about the debate if you had to add hours of additional material!

Anthony Rogers said...

I think I am starting to see a patter here.

Anthony Rogers said...

edit: pattern.

Osama Abdallah said...

Dr. David Wood,

I see your point. And my debate being between 2 or so hours longer than what it should've been sounds ridiculous. I agree with you. But my philosophy is this: If my video were to go out on its own into this world via CDs, links, or copies of it uploaded to other websites and Youtube and other Channels, then I want it to stand on its own without the help of my website. I don't care how goofy Osama Abdallah looks. It's prevailing the Truth is what I care about.

Another important point is: If I want to link this debate at the very top of my Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran Section, then it better be thorough and good :)). And at the end of the day, these are my copies, and I do to them what I please. I edit them, but I don't remove anything my opponent says. So really, I am adding to them. "Editing" sounds like I am chopping off from my opponent's talk, which I never did.

Osama Abdallah

Radical Moderate said...

Osama

Thats fine if you want to edit the video however at least release the un eddited versions as well

Anthony Rogers said...

Taquiyya Productions.

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama said: "...my debate being between 2 or so hours longer than what it should've been sounds ridiculous."

Finally we agree on something.

Osama Abdallah said...

Anthony,

When will you stop bullying me around and spewing lies? What Taqiyya Production are you talking about? Do you see me spewing lies in my videos? Do you see me cutting out clips from my opponents' talks?

And who told you Taqiyya was a bad thing? Do you even know what it means, and what it was sent for? It was given to the Muslims by Allah Almighty due to the overwhelming persecutions and slaughters that they went through. Bani Yasir (Tribe of Yasir) suffered the most, because they were the smallest and most vanurable. Many of them were tortured to death because they refused to renounced Islam. Allah Almighty allowed for the Muslims to renounce Islam verbally if they're in such situation, because it is "what's in the heart that matters". Keep in mind that 10s of Noble Verses that condemn the liars and lying. So don't think that this is a license for Muslims to lie.

So why don't you stop your lies and bullying, because you sound more stupid by the post.

And since you're so picky, why don't you examine how GOD Almighty tricked Saul when He had David annointed? Read 1 Samuel 16:1-13. And furthermore on LYING SPIRITS in the link below:

If GOD Almighty tricked His enemies in the Bible (not even during war times), then what do you call this Jackass Rogers?

Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/lying.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm

Osama Abdallah

Radical Moderate said...

Anthony stop picking on and bulling the Muslims lol

Osama Abdallah said...

Now Anthony, I 100% GRANT YOU that there are Muslims, especially among the Shias and extremist Sunnis, that lie and justify it by crap such as:

1- Darul Harb.
2- Dealing with enemies.
etc...

Let me answer this with the following:

1- Muslims are EXPECTED to be the best examples to all people:

[003:110] You are indeed the best of people ever brought forth for mankind. You enjoin (virtue and) the right (conduct), and you forbid the wrong (and the indecent). Had the people of the book believed, it would have been for their own good. Some among them are the believers, but most of them are evildoers.

2- Muslims are forbidden from tricking or lying to anyone:

www.answering-christianity.com/lying.htm

(MANY NOBLE VERSES PRESENTED IN THIS ARTICLE)

3- Muslims are forbidden from leading disbelievers into wickedness, or misleading them, or alluring them into wickedness and evil:

[060:005] `Our Lord, make us not a trial (فتنة) for those who disbelieve, and forgive us, our Lord; for, Thou alone art Mighty, the Wise.'

4- MUSLIMS ARE FORBIDDEN FROM playing around and playing tricks and acting smart with Islam:

[006:082] Those who belief and mix not up their belief with injustice - it is they who shall have peace, and who are rightly guided.

We are not Shias. And I am not a liar, nor do I tolerate liars. Islam Commands us to be upright and humble and honest. Keep that in mind when you deal with Muslims.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

Taqiyya is derived from Taqi, which one of its means is "to guard yourself". For example:

1- You taqi yourself from the rain by covering yourself under your embralla.

2- You taqi yourself from danger by not being careless.

3- You taqi yourself from toungue slips by being more careful of the words that exit your mouth.

4- You taqi yourself from aggressors by taking self-defense classes.

Taqiyya was allowed for the Muslims to GUARD themselves from the harm and killings of the disbelievers. It's not a license to lie and be wicked and deceptive and evil as I thoroughly demonstrated above.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Trinity325 said...

Osama, I still await a response to the talks that I have released of Sam Shamoun if you are up for the challenge, at least you can try do the thing Shaded Lewis has yet to do.

aaron said...

@Herakleios
we already had more then enough fun with Osama the adamn is 90 feet tall one was already exposed.

1. he took no notice of continental drift and plate tectonics
2. he completely ignored the calculations on earth's gravity even though i bothered to do it for him and pointed out if earth's radius did expand humans now would be taller then before which shuts down his argument.
3. i used Nasa sites even though this is common knowledge to me because i have studied it in university as a people outside faculty course and in high school as well.

BM200032 said...

There was never a 90 foot tall adam, no scientist has ever said there was especially considering we have human evolution mapped out to an exact science

If anything, given better nutrition and healthcare, humans have been getting taller, not shorter, and even then by increments of inches, not feet much less someone the size of a building, quite simply, muhammed spoke ridiculous lies and we can see that clearly now

Deleting said...

Osama said, "Allah Almighty allowed for the Muslims to renounce Islam verbally if they're in such situation, because it is "what's in the heart that matters".

He had in bold text "What's in the heart that matters'.

Yet Jeremiah 17:9 says "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

Osama Abdallah said...

"There was never a 90 foot tall adam, no scientist has ever said there was especially considering we have human evolution mapped out to an exact science"

Man was never gigantic. The ancestors of man today were not giants, but yet, the ancestors of all animals, even the insects were gigantic.

What a logic! Why don't you visit what the scientists that I quoted said before you make such an assertion:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

Fair enough?

aaron said...

Osama the only thing you did was misqoute the scientist and not understanding the mechanics of what he was saying in the first place on earth expanding. he says expanded but not why it expanded for instance and i already pointed out plate tectonics and the math proves your argument bogus

Osama Abdallah said...

Anthony,

I am sorry for the "Jackass Rogers" comment. I hope you forgive me.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

aaron said...

Osama also let me point out james maxlow is considered a minority of the scientist and his work is rejected by scientific consensus today

BM200032 said...

"Man was never gigantic. The ancestors of man today were not giants, but yet, the ancestors of all animals, even the insects were gigantic."

Exactly my point, man was never gigantic, and humans where not even around when dinosaurs where around either

And it's clear for all to see

Muhammed stated Adam was huge and mankind grew smaller

It would be more accurate to say we grew taller considering better healthcare in our age

Even then, by incriments of mere inches

There are no skeletons, bone fragments or even any scientific theories that hint at humans having any type of massive height at any time in the past, Adam or anyone else for that matter, a statement was made by muhammed to a primitive audience that did not possess the scientific faculties to confirm or deny his statements, but now we do and find muhammeds assertions to be absurd

BM200032 said...

But regardless of how I disagree with Osamas theological points, I really see great sense of sincerity in his heart and I really hope he goes with it and comes to the truth, he deserves it very much as we all do

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama said: "I am sorry for the "Jackass Rogers" comment. I hope you forgive me."

No problem you big bully. :)

bob said...

Osama, you said,

"why don't you examine how GOD Almighty tricked Saul when He had David annointed? Read 1 Samuel 16:1-13. And furthermore on LYING SPIRITS in the link below."

You forgot to mention that God rejected Saul because he disobeyed his commands.

“I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following me, and has not performed my commandments.” 1Samuel 15:10

As it says in verse 23,

“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He has also rejected you from being king.”

And in regard to lying spirits:

If we reject Christ...

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer [Christ], the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and the last; besides me there is no God.’” Isaiah 44:6 (repeated by Christ in Revelation 1:11)

...then we end up with the devil by default.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2Thessalonians 2:9-12.

The previous verse refers to the rejection of God’s offer of salvation.

“I have stretched out my hands all day long to a rebellious people...” Isaiah 65:2

But they provoked God to anger by choosing their own idolatrous ways instead (Isaiah 66:3), which resulted in God's judgement:

“...so I will choose their delusions, and bring their fears on them; because when I called no one answered, when I spoke they did not hear...” Isaiah 66:4

The Antichrist (of which Islam is a part), with its lying spirits, is not the source, but the net result; not the cause, but rather the accumulated effect of disrespect towards the God of the Bible.

God's wrath blinds before destroying.

“But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those that are perishing, whose minds the god of this age [Satan] has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” 2Corinthians 4:4

In other words, God's wrath is already at work in them.

Trinity325 said...

The craziness of trying to justify Adam being 90 feet tall. Let's face it, I find some of Answering Christianity's strange, including the Illuminati stuff, whether that is true is a different matter. I still don't know how Osama can still propagate the lies of Zakir Naik, Naik is pretty much an ignoramus. The very argument of Jesus not dying in the NT is absurd and I find it astonishing that Osama claims they anointed Jesus with medicine even though there is no lexical support for it, even Shadid Lewis thinks healing herbs were used on Jesus, LOL!!

The whole NT makes it clear Jesus died contextually.

Royal Son said...

Osama, since you said Muslims are expected to be the best example to people:

On a scale of 1 - 10, how much would you rate your example of conduct and debating skill during your debates?

And On a scale of 1 - 10 how would you rate the example of conduct and debating skill of your opponents during those debates?

Arrow said...

Osama,

Muslims are EXPECTED to be the best examples to all people

It doesn't say "expected". It says "You are indeed the best of people" (3/110).

Do you believe it? Do you believe "most" Christians are "evil doers" while most Muslims are not?

Osama Abdallah said...

@Bob,

The point I was making, sir, is that why would GOD Almighty, with all of His Majesty and Glory and Might, need to resort to planning a trickery on Saul?
And what is trickery? Doesn't it have lying in it? I am not calling GOD Almighty a liar here. But I am raising a question about the story in 1 Samuel 16:1-13.

So if GOD Almighty, with all of His Majestry and Glory and Might, needed to resort to tricking and deceiving Saul, then why is it the Ultimate Proof to you Christians that Islam is false because It allows for Taqiyya under dangerous situations? And would 1 Samuel 16:1-13 prove that Taqiyya is also in the Bible?

Now again and again, the Holy Quran Commands the Muslims to be UPRIGHT, HONEST AND HUMBLE. And Allah Almighty curses the liars and deceivers in the Holy Quran. I have already demonstrated all of this above.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

bob said...

Osama, you say,

“I am not calling GOD Almighty a liar here.”

But that is precisely what you are calling Him.

God is good, righteous and holy so he cannot do evil. If he commits evil acts then how can judge evil without being a hypocrite?

Saul broke the deal he had with God by disobeying him...

“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.” 1Samuel 15:23

...so God had no choice but to change his plan (he always has other options) by giving the kingship to Samuel instead. This was necessary because all of Israel depended on a king who was obedient to God for their safety and wellbeing.

This does not make the Almighty a deceiver. Rather, the blame goes to Saul’s ignorance of the reality of his own situation which he had brought on himself by his own wilful disobedience.

Saul, as the king of Israel, should have known better than to act so irresponsibly while holding such a high and important office with so many people depending on him to do the right thing. But God's righteous judgement prevailed and the situation was corrected.

Osama, you need to stop misinterpreting the Bible as means of defending Islam because you are just committing one blasphemy after another against the Almighty.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Bob,

But why would GOD Almighty, with all of his Power and Might and Majesty, trick Saul?
In the court of Law, if you withhold information, you could go to jail for it.

I am just curious here, why should the GOD Almighty of the Bible resort to PERSONALLY planning out a trick on Saul? I mean, it's not even a Prophet who planned it. It was GOD Almighty Himself!

You say Saul broke his covenant with GOD Almighty. Ok. I understand. I read it :). But it has nothing to do with the point I am raising. I am raising the GOD-Almighty-personally-tricking-Saul point. Why would and should GOD Almighty do this?

Osama Abdallah

bob said...

Osama,

If a policeman catches a criminal unawares, what is the policeman guilty of since he was discharging his office according to the law? The criminal has forfeited any of the freedoms and rights given to law abiding citizens. So the policeman has done nothing wrong in outsmarting the criminal. If the criminal was not aware of the law closing in on him then that cannot be called unlawful “trickery” as you put it. It simply means that the criminal was not as cunning as he thought he was. No one can outsmart God in respect to his laws.

“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” Galatians 6:7

So in the same way, God dealt with Saul as righteous judge would deal with a criminal. Saul, in disobeying God was guilty of criminal negligence. The nation that Saul ruled, whom God had installed as its king, was dependent for their safety and wellbeing on Saul discharging his duty according to God’s commands. When he disobeyed God he became guilty of sins/crimes against God and his own people and so he forfeited his office as king. If a criminal is in charge the whole nation will be ruined.

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Osama Abdallah said...

@Bob,

But the police officer is a human with limitations. GOD Almighty isn't. And "outsmarting" here is not fit in 1 Samuel 16:1-13, because GOD Almighty Commanded Samuel to go anoint the Servant that He chooses, but tell the people that he came to make sacrifice:

1 Samuel 16:1-13
1 The Lord said to Samuel, “How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his sons to be king.”

2 But Samuel said, “How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me.”

The Lord said, “Take a heifer with you and say, ‘I have come to sacrifice to the Lord.’ 3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.”

My point here Bob is this:

1- If even the Creator of the Universe Himself needs to resort to tricking, when why is Islam false when GOD Almighty allowed for the Muslims to spare their LIVES and their BODIES from death and/or torture by verbally renouncing Islam to the disbelievers, because "it's what's in the heart that matters" as the Holy Quran puts it.

And again and again, the Holy Quran condemns greatly the liars and the deceivers and the wicked. I've demonstrated this above. So please don't think that I am arguing for lying here. I am just proving a point, which is:

1- If GOD Almighty Himself needed to resort to trickery and deception to anoint a new king, then you could not possibly fault Islam for allowing the Believers from sparing their own lives and bodies by also tricking the disbelievers by verbally renouncing Islam just to spare their own lives.

And again, this is NOT A LICENCE to lie for any Muslim!

I hope this point is made clear to you, Mr. Bob.

Regards,
Osama Abdallah

bob said...

Osama,

In reality, there is only one kind of lie and that is the lie that harms our neighbour either in soul, (such as the lies of Satan), or bodyy or their possessions or their honour.

God had made up his mind as to who was going to be king.

1 The Lord said to Samuel, “How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his sons to be king.”

But both God and Samuel knew that Saul would kill him...

2 But Samuel said, “How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me.”

...so God put something in place to prevent this from happening.

The Lord said, “Take a heifer with you and say, ‘I have come to sacrifice to the Lord.’

3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.”

So God’s ‘trickery’ was a mechanism designed and put in place for the greater good and to protect the innocent. He is therefore doing no wrong.

The problem with the following statement that you made is that it tries to use God’s actions in the Scriptures as camouflage.

“If GOD Almighty Himself needed to resort to trickery and deception to anoint a new king, then you could not possibly fault Islam for allowing the Believers from sparing their own lives and bodies by also tricking the disbelievers by verbally renouncing Islam just to spare their own lives.”

God’s actions concerning Saul and Samuel are in a completely different context to:

“...you could not possibly fault Islam for allowing the Believers from sparing their own lives and bodies by also tricking the disbelievers by verbally renouncing Islam just to spare their own lives.”

God would never command anyone to publicly renounce him.

The following will show that it is really a means of buying time and an excuse to play the victim and is therefore a pernicious lie designed to sneak up on and harm the innocent:

(1) When there are only a few followers, behave nicely until you get your foot in the door.

Say: ‘Unbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your own religion, and I have mine. 109:1

(2) When there are more followers, start playing the victim.

Permission to take up arms is hereby given to those are attacked, because they have been persecuted. And surly Allah is able to make them victorious. There are some who have been driven out of their homes unjustly because they said “Allah is our Lord.” If Allah had not repelled some men by using others [war], the monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which Allah’s name is praised, would have been destroyed. But surely Allah will help those who help him in his cause. Allah is strong and mighty. Allah will surely help those who, once we establish them as leaders in the land, pray regularly and pay the poor tax and command what is right and forbid what is wrong. And the final outcome of all things is in Allah’s hands. 22:39

(3) When there are sufficient number of followers, start killing and stealing.

Then your Lord spoke to his angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs’ [unbelievers] hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!” This was because they opposed Allah and his messenger. Ones who oppose Allah and his messenger will be severely punished by Allah. We said, “This is for you! Taste it and know that the kafirs will receive the torment of the fire.” 8:12

When the sacred months are past, kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush.
If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. 9:5

bob said...

Osama, you also said,

“But the police officer is a human with limitations. GOD Almighty isn't."

The police officer catches the criminal by outsmarting him and then the criminal ends up in court where he tries to talk his way out of it and the judge then catches the criminal in his own words.

This is a system of justice instituted by God himself to keep chaos in a sinful world to a minimum. So God also operates in the same manner when dealing with wilful sin/crime.


"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authority [temporal government] resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgement on themselves [for criminal behaviour].

For civil authorities are not a terror to good works [abiding by the law], but to evil [crime]. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is Gods servant to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword (law enforcement) in vain; for he is God’s servant, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’s sake.

For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers [public servants – judges, magistrates, police] attending continually to this very thing.

Render therefore to all their due; taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue, respect to whom respect." Romans 13:1-7.

And the higher the office the greater the responsibility; judges and magistrates for example, are given strong warning against being corrupt or giving weak verdicts...

“Woe to those judges who issue unrighteous decrees, and to the magistrates who cause unjust and oppressive decisions to be recorded, to rob the needy of justice, and to take what is right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless. What will you do in the day of punishment, and in the desolation which will come from afar? To whom will you flee for help?” Isaiah 10:1-3

...and that they are also under the close observation of the Highest Judge while performing the office ordained by him, and that they judge on his behalf as his representatives.

"God stands in the assembly of the mighty; he judges among the gods (judges). How long will you judge unjustly, and show partiality to the wicked?

Defend the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and needy; deliver the poor and needy; free them from the hand of the wicked. They do not know, nor do they understand; they walk about in darkness; all the foundations (the principles on which rests the administration of justice) of the earth are unstable." Psalm 82

God necessarily abides by the same system of justice that he himself has instituted as derived from his own character.

Tom said...

@Osama:

"“I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following me, and has not performed my commandments.” 1Samuel 15:10

In all your rhetoric, "What is the punishment for disobeying the God of Abraham"?
One of the factors in disobedience is because you dont trust God who gave you the command & you put trust in your own abilities!
So Based on that, Should there be a punishment for Saul?

Let me clue you in, The Old Testament is a record man's failings & perversions and God's remedies & responses!
Hope you will spend some time to reflex on that and put it in jutaposition with your koran!
I see alot of BUTs in the koran after the law is given!

bob said...

edit: 4 comments back should read,

"...by giving the kingship to David instead." [Not Samuel]