Wednesday, January 4, 2012

New Blog to Follow: Liberated

Muslims in the West like to portray themselves as victims, even though they have the same opportunities and Constitutional protections as any other American. Indeed, Muslims have a privileged status here in the West. If you criticize Christianity or atheism, no one cares. If you criticize Islam, prepare to be labeled a "racist," a "bigot," and an Islamophobe.

Compare Islam's place of honor in America with the plight of non-Muslims living in the Muslim world. We routinely learn about Christian and Hindu girls being raped, kidnapped, and forced to convert to Islam. Churches are being destroyed in Egypt, Nigeria, and Ethiopia. Over the past fourteen centuries, more than 270 million non-Muslims have been slaughtered by Muslims.

There's far more going on that we never hear about. News is often filtered through a pro-Muslim media network, so we don't get to see life behind the veil.

A former Muslim named Shakila, who lives in a Muslim country, has started a blog called "Liberated" (with the help of Robert Spencer). Be sure to visit her blog regularly for a glimpse of life in the Muslim world.

Here's Shakila's first post. (There are already several more on her blog.)

I was born in a very typical Sunni Muslim household, not very conservative like the Arabs, but nevertheless religious enough. I was born in Karachi, Pakistan to a very respectable Mohajjir family (mohajjirs are immigrants from India from the time of the partition in 1947). I moved to another Muslim country with my parents when I was just 10 years old and still live there.

I really wish there were a way I could freely live in a free society where I could follow the religion that I want without any compulsion. So far, I am not really sure what I am. I just know that I am not an atheist, because I do believe in a God, but that God cannot be the Allah of Mohammed. God is kind and merciful, not evil, cruel, mean and sadistic, as is Allah.

Have you ever read the Quran in English? I never did, I mean all my life I just recited the Quran in Arabic without understanding a single word until August of this year, when I purchased a copy of the English Quran and read the translation for the first time. Previously I had read some parts of it in English, but never the whole thing. But this year in August I read it from cover to cover, and then also read other references on the internet. Then I finally reached the conclusion that this book is the most evil thing on the face of this earth. It teaches nothing else except hatred and violence. I can no longer be a part of a cult which subjugates its followers, making them mere blind puppets with no mind of their own.

During the course of last four months, I have done nothing else but read, read and read. I spend hours a day reading Ali Sina and watching videos of David Wood and others who are trying their best to expose Islam to the world. I read 23 Years by Ali Dashti. The best among them all is Ali Sina's Understanding Muhammad and of course Robert Spencer’s The Truth About Muhammad. These kind of books are banned here, but I managed to find Robert’s book on Ibook, so I purchased it and just finished reading it yesterday.

I don't know how to go about it. I mean, I want to remain anonymous, but at the same time I need help. I don't want to be killed just because I am brave enough to tell the truth. I am really in a terrible jam. I do not want to lose my life just because I do not believe in that evil religion anymore.

Last Sunday I went to the church here and attended the mass. Then I went to see the priest and asked him for help. He said that his hands were tied and he really could not do anything to help me, because when they had first gotten permission to built a church in this country, they had to agree to a few terms and conditions with the government here. One of them was not to convert anyone from Islam. He said if anyone finds out, the church would be closed and he would probably end up in jail.

The priest said he could not help me personally, but that I was more than welcome to attend the mass and sit quietly at the back. He said, “Do not talk to anyone or reveal who you are.” It is a good idea, but frankly, I am not sure if I want to do that every week, because last Sunday I saw quite a few police cars circling the church premises, and I am really scared. What if someone checks my ID or something? They would probably close down the church and put me in jail, and maybe even execute me. My life will be in danger if anyone finds out that I have left Islam.

I have a friend, a pretty young girl from Morocco who also lives here and works with me. She too has given up Islam recently but she is also very afraid of her life. This is what Islam does to you. When you are in it, your life is nothing but living in the fear of hell, and once you leave it, it is not less than hell because you are constantly scared to lose your life.

27 comments:

Mike A Robinson said...

Looks good! I followed it and since A.M. and R.S. recommend it, it should be a fine blog.

SGM said...

Islam is the only religion in the world which commands murder of apostates. There would be millions of Moslems who would leave Islam in a heart beat if they were not afraid of persecution.

SGM said...

Shakila in her testimony states, “Have you ever read the Quran in English? I never did, I mean all my life I just recited the Quran in Arabic without understanding a single word until August of this year.”

This is so pathetic that majority of the Moslems don’t understand Arabic, yet they recite the Quran as a parrot and think that they understand it. Seems like Allah has language deficiency.

Shakila also states, “God is kind and merciful, not evil, cruel, mean and sadistic, as is Allah.” Ever notice, anyone who comes to grip of reality realizes how evil, cruel, mean and sadistic Allah is.

Osama Abdallah said...

TheNuttyConfessor: So let me get this straight...Herman "handkerchief head" Cain SUSPENDED his presidential campaign. But, Michele "queen of rage" Bachmann ups and outright "QUITS"???? That is funny. The scurvy little beeyotch didn't even make it into the clubhouse turn. She pulled-up lame! No surprise really. I always said that she was more of a cow than a horse anyway. I suppose that this means that the Texas turd, pRick "bullbucker" Perry, will employ the use of CRYOGENICS and thereby freeze his campaign in the weeks to come. There must be a shelf in the chamber, right next to that frozen pea brain of his. Who'd o thunk it.....the three turds that swore up and down, that God told them, individually, to run for office are descending like flies on a heaping fresh and steamy pile of elephant doo doo as they take their final bows and scurry away, like the mangy rodents that they all are, from that GOP ship of fools. Boy oh boy; I'm telling ya.....Lucifer has a wicked sense of humor, doesn't he? God? Well, he has surgically, patiently and skillfully been going about the task of exposing all of the GOPee devil worshipers, one by one. Newt LeROY Gingrich's fall will make last year's earthquake and tsunami in Japan look like play-time in the kiddy pool. Lord knows that he is not going to go peacefully or quietly this time around. Mitt Romney....ya better watch your back. Newt is POed. Maybe now, all of you GOPee maggots will climb down off of your much ballyhooed wingnut and family values high horses and come to the realization that you are all, at best, a conglomerate of narcissistic, delusional, self righteous, and woeful village idiots.

LOOLLL, Christians crack me up big time with their "revelations with GOD" claims, only to find out that they're full of turd! :)

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Peter said...

I seriously hope that nobody finds out who she is. She could very well be in danger for writing those kinds of things in a muslim country.

I think that she is very courageous, and the world definitely needs more of her kind.

Peace.

Deleting said...

This is absolutely heartbreaking....but this is the choice many have to make.
This is why we need to stand up to islam because if we don't THIS will happen here.

And I don't know that this girl is reading this or if any other person in her position in the middle east is reading this but Walid Shoebat has an organization called rescue christians. the websites are www.shoebat.com or www.rescuechristians.org.
He's trying to move and relocate christians in the middle east. I don't know how successful he is or what it all entails but it's a start.

WhatsUpDoc said...

Very brave of her to acknowledge the truth unlike many who go in denial.

Radical Moderate said...

@David

I just read over this blog and this is scary really scary.

I sent a email to Mr Spencer I just wanted to express my concerns as an extreamly paranoid individual.

I hope Mr Spencer has set her up securly and by secure I mean radical moderate secure.

1. GPGP encryption for emails.
2. True Crypt steganography to hide volumes and even a OS.
3. WIFI setup via a RAS server and VPN
4. Posting via Encrpyted Anon Proxy servers.

And then there is ofcorse counter measures.

Billy said...

"How can a seventeen years old beautiful girl fall in love with an aging crippled man with a broken tooth and fetid smell? Read my book Understanding Muhammad to learn how Muhammad was deformed and smelled foul" (Liberated's blog).

Who knocked his tooth out?

Michael Schueckler said...

@Osama Abdallah,
You quoted the TheNuttyConfessor
".....the three turds that swore up and down, that God told them, individually, to run for office are descending like flies on a heaping fresh and steamy pile of elephant doo doo"

And then you said yourself:
"LOOLLL, Christians crack me up big time with their "revelations with GOD" claims, only to find out that they're full of turd! :)"

You really don't understand how God works through believers if you find TheNuttyConfessor's comment amusing and enlightening.

Not all Cristians who believe that God has specifically given them instructions necessarily have received instructions. But even for those who have and still did not reach what you would consider a success have failed to do what God wanted them to do. Yahweh gives good instructions and we are to obey. Obedience brings us closer to Him. Obedience is for His glory and not ours. We may never see the fruits of our labor but He does.

simple_truth said...

Osama Abdallah said...

Actually Abdullah said absolutely nothing.

What a waste precious bandwidth for his post. A one-year old could do much better and could be more entertaining as well as intelligent compared to this..... You deserve no respect.

Since you can't post a suitable response to the topic, I take it that you agree with what has been said against your prophet and religion. I take it that you have finally come to realize that defending Islam is impossible.

SGM said...

To All,

After reading Osama Abdallah’s comments, I was totally confused just as I read the Quran. It made no sense at all. I had to read it twice and still I could not figure out how it is related to the topic on hand.

Then suddenly a light went on, Osama Abdallah is a disciple of Mohammad and Allah. Allah also states things in the same manner. When he says kill all infidels he actually means love them. When he says beat your wife, it actually means honor your wife.
Same way, when Osama Abdallah is talking here about turds, Lucifer and maggots, what he actually is saying that he really feels sorry for this girl and completely understands her position. He knows that leaving Islam means persecution and even death.

So, instead of laughing at his comments, we should lament at them and pray that God would give him wisdom and understanding not to state things like Allah.

Osama Abdallah said...

@SGM TheNuttyConfessor/Abdallah 2012!

LOL

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

SGM said...

@ Osama Abdallah,
I am glad you enjoyed my comments. We should keep the humor alive beside our differences.

I would love to see you come to Christ this year. It is my prayer that God would open your eyes to really enjoy liberty in Jesus Christ then bondage of sin. You have no idea what peace it brings to know the true and living God of the Bible.

Also wish you a happy new year. I must confess that reading and answering your comments actually strengthens me in my faith of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It humbles me at the same time to know that I am no better then you, but my Lord had mercy on me and He pardoned my sins. I have surety now that after this life I will spend eternity with him. I hope that He would have mercy on you and many others who truly seek the truth. And this is a sincere pray, no humor in it.

search 4 truth said...

@ Osama

Did Allah tell Mohamed to eat the lamb?

Bukhari's Hadith 3.786:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle.


WOW!

BOOTA SINGH said...

Dear Osama Abdallah,
At last you have accepted that your Allah and Muhammad are all pagan worshipers. Qur’an is dictionary of lies. Muhammad was no more then, paedophiles, child molester, rapist, raciest, hate monger, blood thirsty and womaniser.
Now accept Jesus Christ as your saviour say this little prayer:
Lord Jesus, I have just realized that you are almighty God and saviour. Please forgive my sins, because you are the one who is without any sin and have authority to forgive sins. I accept you my Lord and Saviour, Amen.
Truly yours in Christ,
Boota Singh,Lahore,Pakistan.

Osama Abdallah said...

"@ Osama

Did Allah tell Mohamed to eat the lamb?

Bukhari's Hadith 3.786:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle."

RESPONSE:

Good question. Here is my response:


1- I am not sure what exactly happened back then and there. I watched David Wood's video, and read some of the references and see the point. But I am not sure if the event actually did happen.

2- The Glorious Quran is crystal clear in warning Prophet Muhammad. Double will be his punishment if he strays away, and his aorta will be cut/severed if he lies (EVEN A SINGLE LIE OR BS-TYPE JOKE).

3- Even if we assume the worst case scenario and accept that the poisoning of the Prophet, peace be upon him, did occur, then still none of this would disprove Islam. Why?

4- Because the Glorious Quran's Miracle is in Itself! There are Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and there is the "GREAT ONE (i.e., Miracle" that Allah Almighty put in the Holy Book to:

(a)- Strengthen the Believer's Faith and to increase it even more.

(b)- To assure the People of the Book (i.e., the Jews and Christians) that the Quran is not an invention of man.

*******This GREAT MIRACLE is the Number 19 Miracle:

[074:030] And over that (scorcher) are nineteen (angels standing guard).

[074:031] We have chosen to appoint the angels as wardens over hell, ********and We let their number be a trial for the unbelievers. So that, those given the scriptures may believe, and the believers may increase in their belief. Both _ those given the scriptures and the believers _ may not entertain doubts. Yet, those with disease in their hearts, and the unbelievers, would still say, “What does Allah mean by this example?” Thus, Allah leads astray whom He wants, and guides whom He wants. No one knows the forces of Allah except He. This is nothing but a reminder for the mortals.

[074:032] No! (I) swear by the moon!
[074:033] The night, as it retreats.
[074:034] And the dawn as it glows!
********[074:035] Indeed, it (i.e., the number 19 Sign/Miracle in the Glorious Quran) is surely one of the mightiest (signs).

Arabic (from right to left):
‏74:30 عليها تسعة عشر
‏74:31 وماجعلنا اصحاب النار الا ملائكة وماجعلنا عدتهم الا فتنة للذين كفروا ليستيقن الذين اوتوا الكتاب ويزداد الذين امنوا ايمانا ولايرتاب الذين اوتوا الكتاب والمؤمنون وليقول الذين في قلوبهم مرض والكافرون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا كذلك يضل الله من يشاء ويهدي من يشاء ومايعلم جنود ربك الا هو وماهي الا ذكرى للبشر
‏74:32 كلا والقمر
‏74:33 والليل اذ ادبر
‏74:34 والصبح اذا اسفر
‏74:35 انها لاحدى الكبر


For more details, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm

5- I am a worshiper of Allah Almighty only. I am not a worshiper of Muhammad. If Muhammad fell short and was punished by Allah Almighty as Allah Almighty Promised Him (if he were to fall short in life), then Muhammad bears his own faults. It has nothing to do with the Glorious Quran and Its Divine Miracles.

David, feel free to make a new thread on this so we can discuss it in great details. I'd like to nail this one for everyone. I respect your hard work and commitment to your convictions! I think you're a sincere and hard-working and smart man. I wish you can see Islam's Truth one day, insha'Allah. Ameen.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

The Glorious Quran's Challenge to the Jews and Christians:

In order for you to know, for sure, that the Quran is from GOD Almighty and not an invention of man, then investigate the number 19 Numerical Miracle in the Glorious Quran:

[074:031] We have chosen to appoint the angels as wardens over hell, and We let their number be a trial for the unbelievers. So that, those given the scriptures may believe, and the believers may increase in their belief. Both _ those given the scriptures and the believers _ may not entertain doubts. Yet, those with disease in their hearts, and the unbelievers, would still say, “What does Allah mean by this example?” Thus, Allah leads astray whom He wants, and guides whom He wants. No one knows the forces of Allah except He. This is nothing but a reminder for the mortals.

‏74:31 وماجعلنا اصحاب النار الا ملائكة وماجعلنا عدتهم الا فتنة للذين كفروا ليستيقن الذين اوتوا الكتاب ويزداد الذين امنوا ايمانا ولايرتاب الذين اوتوا الكتاب والمؤمنون وليقول الذين في قلوبهم مرض والكافرون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا كذلك يضل الله من يشاء ويهدي من يشاء ومايعلم جنود ربك الا هو وماهي الا ذكرى للبشر

Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

jonnykzj said...

@Osama Abdallah

It's funny you bring up the Quran's numerical "code" baed on no 19, OF WHOSE I WAS A STRONG SUPPORTER UNTIL ONLY ABT TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO NOW. IF you accept this miracle then you ought to be consistent and also accept Rashad Khalifah as a messenger coz he was the first to be inspired to reveal this supposed code. To separate the two wld be like saying one can believe in Muhammad being a Prophet but not that he revealed the Quran. Makes no sense. Infact i still agree that there is such a pattern in the Quran BUT MY CHRISIAN BRO RALE N I CMPARED THE ODDS of the initial coding in quran based on nr 19 which is arnd 1/60,000 prob by chance N THAT OF GEN 1:1 and JOHN 1:1 REVEALING PI N EULER'S NR RESPECTIVELY TO 5 SIGNIFICANT FIGS/applying the SAME FORMULA in both cases) whose prob by chance he calculated to be at LEAST 1/50,000,000(FIFTY MILLION). So the Bible's code SUPERCEDES THE QURAN'S BY FAR N MOREOVER even ppl back in Arabia cld count words and letters and easily make them xples of 19 COZ EVERY 19th nr is div by 19 so if say the author saw 2695 "Allah" terms in the Quran, ALL HE NEED TO DO IS MAKE UP SOME MORE VERSES CONTAINING THREE MORE "allah" to get 2698. It's not that difficult and doesnt impress me anymore. FURTHERMORE Muhammad also cldve had some demon influence which i and many of my christian bros beleive in he did coz islam just looks EXACTLY DESIGNED TO UNDERMINE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST'S DYING FOR OUR SINS ON THE CROSS, HIS RESURRECTION AND DIVINITY. ALSO after taking off my biased lenses i fnd the Quran to be FULL OF CONTRAS WHICH IT CLAIMS CLEARLY, UNLIKE THE BIBLE, THT ONE SHLDNT EVEN FIND THEM, not that once we find them we wld easily or finally resolve them for that can be done with other books too. As regards to the other scientific miracles, again after taking off my biased lenses and studied them again found them to be not impressive at all and those which were were merely reinterpretations AFTER THE DISCOVERIES which once again can be done WITH ANY LONG ENOUGH TEXT.

CristoTeAma said...

@Osama

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/search/label/Numerical%20Miracle

Osama Abdallah said...

Infact i still agree that there is such a pattern in the Quran BUT MY CHRISIAN BRO RALE N I CMPARED THE ODDS of the initial coding in quran based on nr 19 which is arnd 1/60,000 prob by chance N THAT OF GEN 1:1 and JOHN 1:1 REVEALING PI N EULER'S NR RESPECTIVELY TO 5 SIGNIFICANT FIGS/applying the SAME FORMULA in both cases) whose prob by chance he calculated to be at LEAST 1/50,000,000(FIFTY MILLION)."

RESPONSE:

John 1 says that Jesus was CREATED from the Word. He is a Creation from the Word, just like you are a creation from dust and Spirit.

Genesis 1 uses the Royal "WE" to speak about the Majesty of Allah Almighty.
Or, it could very very simply and plainly mean that Allah Almighty had an ARMY OF ANGELS and Creations, such as Matter, that made our physical Universe possible.

So the "We" here could mean an order from GOD Almighty to those who Created the Universe. Think of it as your Mom and Dad worked to make your flesh and blood possible. They're not your creators, but yet, you had to come through them and by them.

Rethink everything you were taught by your friend Rale. Islam is the Truth!

As to Rashad Khalifa, he was not the first one who discovered the 19 code. First, it was already mentioned in the Glorious Quran, and he only wrote a computer program (WHICH I COULD DO SIMILAR TO MY www.QuranSearch.com which I entirely created all by myself), and he started barking that he's a Prophet. Second, there were others such as Biltagi (I believe that's his name) that started such research.

IN EITHER CASE, your point falls on Rashad Khalifa.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Osama

Well how convenient of you to cherry pick what you want to believe! The fact remains, those are Sahih hadith and Mohamed did die from the poisoning. And nothing happens in Islam other than Allahs will. So unfortunately for your ridiculous rhetoric you are reinterpreting and revising and cherry picking to mold the facts into what you wish it were instead of what it truly is.

Typical Muslim delusion!

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama said: "LOOLLL, Christians crack me up big time with their "revelations with GOD" claims, only to find out that they're full of turd! :)"

Yeah, some professing Christians act like Muhammad and end up looking almost as stupid.

As for your #19 miracle hoax, do you also reject Surah 9:128-129 as did Khalifah (Edip Yuksel, et. al.) because it "upsets" the so-called mathematical code of the Qur'an and commits shirk to boot?

See for yourself:

To the Believers is He Most Kind and Merciful

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama,

Did you know that the Declaration of Independence, which is fundamentally inconsistent with Muhammad's religion of tyranny, is an inspired document as proven by the miraculous mathematical code concealed in the number 1776?

"[1776] is the year of the Declaration of Independence, a memorable event to every patriotic American [that excludes you, Osama, on the orders of your prophet - AR]. So those who are interested in Numerics as well as in history may be disposed to seek a reason that the date was 1776 and not 1775 or 1777. The number 1776 has two 7's in it. Add the first and the last figures together (1 + 6) and the result is a third 7. 777 is 7x111. Subtract 777 from 1776 and the remainder is 999. 777 and 999 in connection with 1776 look mysterious and significant. Other remarkable things can easily be discovered. 1776 is 4 x 444. So 444, 777, 999 are all concealed in it. Independence Day is the 4th of July. This accounts for the 4. 4 is also 1 + 3. 1 and 3 are the figures which compose 13. So each of the 4's in 4 x 444 may be regarded as a cryptic reminder of the 13 colony-states that ratified the Declaration. the reverse of 13 is 31. The Declaration was signed in July which has 31 days. If 444 is subtracted from 1776, the remainder is 1332 from which 333 can be formed just as 777 is formed from 1776. These three 3's in 333 and the 3 identical numbers in 999, 777, 444, 333, all serve to remind us that the monarch of whose misrule the Declaration was an indictment was George the Third. And so on ad infinitum. All of which "facts" lead inevitably to the conclusion that 1776 is a very remarkable number. Q.E.D. So reasons the numericist!" (Oswald T. Allis, Bible Numerics, P&R, pp. 3-4)

If you would like to remove the offending verses from the Qur'an, which of course will mean most of its verses and in some cases whole chapters, you are welcome to include this inspired document from American history between the pretty green covers. I would be happy to provide it in Arabic if English is a stumbling block for you.

jonnykzj said...

@Osama Abdallah

>>RESPONSE:

John 1 says that Jesus was CREATED from the Word. He is a Creation from the Word, just like you are a creation from dust and Spirit.<<

JK- FALSE. John 1:1 states CLEARLY that the WOrd was with GOD AND ALSO THAT THE WORD WAS GOD and then some verses later it says that THE WORD BECAME(NOT THT IT CREATED) FLESH.

>>Genesis 1 uses the Royal "WE" to speak about the Majesty of Allah Almighty. Or, it could very very simply and plainly mean that Allah Almighty had an ARMY OF ANGELS and Creations, such as Matter, that made our physical Universe possible.
So the "We" here could mean an order from GOD Almighty to those who Created the Universe. Think of it as your Mom and Dad worked to make your flesh and blood possible. They're not your creators, but yet, you had to come through them and by them.<<

JK- The 1st is impossible coz there is no royal plural in hebrew. So now you are saying that there were angels BEFORE THE BEGINNING? This doesnt make any sense to me. The beginning here to me denotes ALL CREATION AT LEAST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BIBLE. Coz otherwise it cld easily be implied that angels eternally existed with GOD which Christians wld call heresy and wld be the muslim equivalent of shirk.

>>Rethink everything you were taught by your friend Rale. Islam is the Truth!<<

JK- Man ive been in islam all my life before i made this decision. I was a very fanatic sunni muslim till abt 20 yrs of age when i became a follower of Rashad Khalifah. REM we even had a chat where i defended RK against ure accusations? IM THE SAME GUY IF U REMEMBER. SO i know most of the arguments u and other muslims use n i also know tht many of them r not wht the early muslims preached but u had to invent them in order to keep ppl from knowing the ugly truth abt islam.

>>As to Rashad Khalifa, he was not the first one who discovered the 19 code. First, it was already mentioned in the Glorious Quran, and he only wrote a computer program (WHICH I COULD DO SIMILAR TO MY www.QuranSearch.com which I entirely created all by myself), and he started barking that he's a Prophet. Second, there were others such as Biltagi (I believe that's his name) that started such research.<<

JK- He did not say tht hes a Prophet BUT A ME$SSENGER N MADE THIS DISTINCTION VERY CLEAR. The Quran also favors tht NOT EVERY MESSENGER IS A PROPHET NOT THE OTHER WAY ARND. I think we had a discussion on this too. NOW in regs to ur former pt IN THIS WAY THE QURAN WAS ALSO THERE IN THE MOPTHER OF THE BOOK WITH ALLAH FROM ALL ETERNITY N MUHAMMAD ONLY REVEALED IT. See how silly this pt is? code-19 was supposedly hidden in the quran n no one cld find it accept with him whom Allah wanted, is the argument n the arg itself is not bad. It's only tht i finally had to realize THT EVEN THE QURAN IS FULL OF CONTRAS DESPITE ITS CLAIM NOT TO BE SO N THE CODE NOT BEING AS SIGNIFICANT AS I ONCE THGHT ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE BIBLE.

aaron said...

Osama is a living proof of the brainwashing results of islam that he can't think critically. His desperation to disprove us is constantly shown in this site i mean look at at what he did to corintheans 5:5. he doesn;t even read the title at beginning of chapter. it says expel the brother and no where did it say kill immoral people but we see his insist on making wild claims.

Anthony Rogers said...

Osama,

I have long since refuted the claim (unargued on your part) that the Bible is using the royal we:

The Plural of Majesty

I have also refuted the idea that your own confused book is doing anything of the sort:

Allah's Use of Plural Pronouns: Part - I, II, III, IV, V

That means it is back to the drawing board for you.