Sunday, October 9, 2011

Kim's Muslim Scholars Command Her to Hate Non-Muslims

We've been discussing various issues over the past few days, and Kim has repeatedly quoted the Muslim scholars of "Islam: Question and Answer" in response to our claims. Kim's choice of scholars is quite interesting, since she tells us that Islam doesn't allow Taqiyya. Here is an excerpt from "Islam: Q&A" on Taqiyya and friendship with non-Muslims.

Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends, and He has issued a stern warning against doing that.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”

[al-Maa’idah 5:51]

Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In this verse Allaah tells us that whoever takes the Jews and Christians as friends is one of them because of his taking them as friends. Elsewhere Allaah states that taking them as friends incurs the wrath of Allaah and His eternal punishment, and that if the one who takes them as friends was a true believer he would not have taken them as friends. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers). Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before them; for that (reason) Allaah’s Wrath fell upon them, and in torment they will abide.

81. And had they believed in Allaah, and in the Prophet (Muhammad) and in what has been revealed to him, never would they have taken them (the disbelievers) as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers); but many of them are the Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

[al-Maa’idah 5:80-81]

Elsewhere Allaah forbids taking them as friends and explains the reason for that, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the Wrath of Allaah (i.e. the Jews). Surely, they have despaired of (receiving any good in) the Hereafter, just as the disbelievers have despaired of those (buried) in graves (that they will not be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection)”

[al-Mumtahanah 60:13]

In another verse Allaah explains that this is so long as they are not taken as friends because of fear or taqiyah (i.e., being friendly with them in order to avoid harm); if that is the case then the one who does that is excused. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Awliyaa’ (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allaah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:28]

This verse explains all the verses quoted above which forbid taking the kaafirs as friends in general terms. What that refers to is in cases where one has a choice, but in cases of fear and taqiyah it is permissible to make friends with them, as much as is essential to protect oneself against their evil. That is subject to the condition that one’s faith should not be affected by that friendship and the one who is behaves in that manner out of necessity is not one who behaves in that manner out of choice.

It may be understood from the apparent meaning of these verses that the one who deliberately takes the kuffaar as friends by choice and because he likes them, is one of them. End quote.

Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 2/98,99

One of the forms of making friends with the kaafirs which is forbidden is taking them as friends and companions, mixing with them and eating and playing with them.

In the answer to question no. 10342 we have quoted Shaykh Ibn Baaz as saying:

Eating with a kaafir is not haraam if it is necessary to do so, or if that serves some shar’i interest. But they should not be taken as friends, so you should not eat with them for no shar’i reason or for no shar’i purpose. You should not sit and chat with them and laugh with them. But if there is a reason to do so, such as eating with a guest, or to invite them to Islam or to guide them to the truth, or for some other shar’i reason, then it is OK.

The fact that the food of the People of the Book is halaal for us does not mean that we may take them as friends and companions. It does not mean that we may eat and drink with them for no reason and for no shar’i purpose.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on mixing with the kuffaar and treating them kindly hoping that they will become Muslim. He replied:

Undoubtedly the Muslim is obliged to hate the enemies of Allaah and to disavow them, because this is the way of the Messengers and their followers. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”

[al-Mumtahanah 60:4]

“You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Rooh (proofs, light and true guidance) from Himself”

[al-Mujaadilah 58:22]

Based on this, it is not permissible for a Muslim to feel any love in his heart towards the enemies of Allaah who are in fact his enemies too. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth”

[al-Mumtahanah 60:1]

But if a Muslim treats them with kindness and gentleness in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe, there is nothing wrong with that, because it comes under the heading of opening their hearts to Islam. But if he despairs of them becoming Muslim, then he should treat them accordingly. This is something that is discussed in detail by the scholars, especially in the book Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah by Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him).

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3, question no. 389.

So, Kim, do you accept these teachings from the website you've been quoting to us? Do you agree (1) that you must hate non-Muslims, (2) that you must not be friends with non-Muslims, and (3) that you can only pretend to be friends with non-Muslims when you're trying to deceive them? Or are you simply going to pick and choose what you like from what your scholars say, the way you do with Muhammad?

***UPDATE***

It seems that Kim is rapidly becoming more and more radicalized. In response to the above post, she wrote:

Yes I agree with what you posted 100%.
I have no problems with that.
Do you?

And here we can see the dangerous consequences of Islam. Kim just admitted that she hates all non-Muslims, that she will not be friends with non-Muslims, and that she will only pretend to be friends with non-Muslims in an effort to deceive them. Just a short while ago, Kim was denying Taqiyya, but now she fully embraces the doctrine! And since she hates all non-Muslims, she can hardly be upset when her fellow Muslims rape unbelieving women, slaughter unbelievers, commit acts of terrorism against unbelievers, etc. Notice that Kim was radicalized simply by learning what Islam teaches. This is a lesson for all of us. The radicalization process in Islam doesn't happen by someone misrepresenting and distorting Islamic teachings. Radicalization occurs when someone finally realizes what Islam teaches, and decides to follow it. Kim has decided to follow Muhammad's commands. Let's pray that she recognizes how evil and destructive these commands are.

27 comments:

donna60 said...

Kim,

I will be your friend, even if you don't want to be mine. Jesus was my friend, long before I became His, and I can do the same for you.

Hemel said...

I think she thinks islam is what her mind and ear allows her to feel good.I think she will use those stuffs from that website which makes her feel good and make islam look bad infront of the people whom she engages with.

Kim said...

Yes I agree with what you posted 100%.
I have no problems with that.
Do you?

Charis kai Eirene said...

I think what we have here is an example of how if a Muslim is committed to believing in her religious system more than she is committed to knowing the truth, then exposure to Islamic teachings will radicalize her.

If, however, a Muslim has not hardened her heart to the truth--to who God is, as His divine attributes are expressed in the magnificence of creation, and to the consciousness of morality we all have--then she will react to the ugly truth of these teachings by either trying to reform the religious practices by suppressing/reinterpreting the teachings or, if she really faces the facts about the perversity of Islam, she would most likely abandon it altogether.

I will say that if Kim is now endorsing taqqiya, then how can we believe anything she says?

Kim said...

I denied the Taqiyya in spreading Islam as invented by the Shia. But if my life is in danger as well as my family's and if it's ok with God, then I am allowed to pretend to be the friend of a disbeliever.
If I pretended to be your friend, how would that harm you? It's between comensalism and mutualism. Neither gets harmed.

If a Jew was to pretend to be your friend because he/she is extremely persecuted and is in danger then I doubt you'd see a problem there. It's only if a Muslim does that, then you complain.
You said this type of friendship is destructive. Please explain?
(Muslims aren't going to kill you if you are friendly, they don't bite except in Jihad.)

And of course I bet theres a lot of confusion about Jihad thanks to some special people!!

Kim said...

@ David
" And since she hates all non-Muslims, she can hardly be upset when her fellow Muslims rape unbelieving women, slaughter unbelievers, commit acts of terrorism against unbelievers"

Just because I have a type of hate for them it doesn't mean I should throw down all basic rules for humanity and treat them like dirt! I hate the disbelievers, not every nonMuslim is a disbeliever. They can't disbelieve if they don't know what Islam is truly about.
I am very upset when I see ignorant Muslims doing such acts of indecency and terror towards people of other faiths. Islam forbids men to rape other women or to go to villages and attack them because they hate their beliefs. I know Muslims bomb Muslims over simple issues on what we wear or unimportant things and all of these things bother me greatly because it isn't what my religion teaches!! And it distorts it's image greatly.

I've read some of the things you post and I wonder if you're being sarcastic or being serious. Everything you say is radically different from what I've been taught. And I'm struggling to find out if it's your biases or sarcasm or truth.

CristoTeAma said...

Wow Kim finally showed her true colors, or maybe it's because she finally realized what Islam really teaches, and she has decided to embrace it :S

andy bell said...

Well, it's fairly obvious that muslims hate.......{fill in the blank}. The religion is based on hatred of the other. The quran describes allah NOT loving.....and then a random list of things.

The bottom line is that muslims hate themselves. That's why muslims are so aggressive and paranoid. They hate the fact that their religion is so legalistic. Have you ever met a happy human being living under totalitarianism?

If you don't believe me, go to a muslim majority country--especially the middle east, the people are miserable.

Jabari said...

@David:

We should show Kim that Muhammad is a false prophet. This should show her that by killing non-Muslims, she's misguided and led astray.

Search 4 Truth said...

Yes I have a problem with it. And why shouldnt I and you? Everything you have been telling us over these correspondences is tainted. You cannot vbe trusted. Yu could trust us, because we have been telling the truth. But you on the other hand have been using deception to decieve us into thinkinv Islam is something thqat it is not.

I do not judge a person by the color of their skin or religious affiliation.I judge a person by the content of their character.

And you have no character. You have revealed that to us. And now we must be suspect of all Muslims because of the doctrine and the evidence of your actions. i gotta tell ya, This is disgusting.

Islam is from Satan sent by a demon who strangled Mohamed who thought he was possessed. To lead people astray from the truth and compassion of Christ.

But we must also remember, that Kim is a victim. And we must love her and feel sadness and compassion for her, just as we would feel compassion for the victim of schizophrenia or any other mental disorder.

Keep her in our prayers!

Fernando said...

Kim... I love you from my entirie heart! I'm praying with all mie streights to G-d in order you'll accept his Love and forgiveness...

protacult said...

To Kim

As someone who has sworn to defend the Constitution I must warn you. In my oath it says I will "defend the Constitution aginst all enemies foreign and domestic."

You accepting this doctrin has made you an enemy to the Constitution.

Any questions?

curly said...

@ Kim,
Please tell me you was just joke with us?

taomeano said...

Kim
Now thanks for your honesty. You are a true moslem who hates Jews and Christians. Now that your honesty is not in question can we now dialogue to see if it is a morally sound way of life to hate others? The difference between Christianity and Islam is that in Christianity we are commanded to love others even our enemies but in Islam you are commanded to hate non-moslems. Is that the way you want to live your life by hating other people. You decide.

I am still praying for you, because you are at least engaging us somehow.

search 4 truth said...

David, Heres an interesting hadith that commands Muslims to kill children if they think they will grow up to be non Muslims!

Sahih Muslim

Book 019, Number 4457:
This tradition has been narrated by the game authority (Yazid b. Hurmus) through a different chain of transmitters with the following difference in the elucidation of one of the points raised by Najda in his letter to Ibn Abas: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside.


So slaughter the child you think will grow up to be a non Muslim and leave the other to live1


What a lovely position to be in. I WONDER HOW HER mind will wrap around this one. Let me guess, Mohamed did not kill children. Even though it says you can if you know it wont be Muslim. Now all a Muslim has to do in an Islamic country after they kill christian children is, I knew the child would be a non Muslim!. Ok go home Salaam malakem!

Search 4 Truth said...

Kim your responses are so convoluted and contradictory it boggles the mind!

And yes Muslims are permitted to rape and commit adultery and murder of non Muslims as the hadith I previously presented. Just for the mere fact that they will not grow up to be non Muslim.

And so you also put a condition on non believers as people who are ignorant of Islam. And you are also misrepresenting taqiyya again. Di d you read what your source has said. You cant even be consistent from one of your postings to the next!


But if a Muslim treats them with kindness and gentleness in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe, there is nothing wrong with that, because it comes under the heading of opening their hearts to Islam. But if he despairs of them becoming Muslim, then he should treat them accordingly. This is something that is discussed in detail by the scholars, especially in the book Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah by Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him).

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3, question no. 389.

So as you can see, well as anyone with integrity can see, this is not under duress, but under the guise of getting them to accept Islam, but if the person is smart enough and able to see the lies of the Muslim, then the Muslim must not be friendly anymore! So are you incapable of critical and linear thinking? Or do you just continue to cover your taqiyya with taqiyya to cover the taqiyya that you used to misrepresent the facts about taqiyya?

Kim said...

@search 4 truth

You pretty much refuted yourself there. If you knew the story of Khidr, it was Allah that informed him about the child and what to do with him. Khidr had this knowledge because Allah has knowledge of our fates, Khidr did not.

Only Allah has knowledge of the unseen, and therefore he alone knows the fate of every single person.
So the Hadith is saying you shouldn't kill children unless you had that knowledge that only Allah has, and since we can never have that it's pretty much impossible to have permission to kill a child.

Just like in the Old Testament where an entire generation of babies were slaughtered because God had commanded them to be killed, since he knew that they would end up being rebellious sinners.

Search 4 Truth said...

Now as for rape and adultery and murder.

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)


* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }

(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War


* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }

And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

search 4 truth said...

So wait a second, Khadir is Allah? Can you present the evidence to your excuses. I havent seen any of your evidence. how do i know what your saying is factual. Please present your argument with factual evidence.

we already know you cannot be trusted.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

There are pink monkeys wearing purple polka dot pajamas on the moon. Believe me, because i said so!

search 4 truth said...

Also why is it not possible for Allah to tell another Muslim to kill a child? Cant that Muslim say, Allah told me to?

See how crazy that is? You have not refuted anything. And the people in the Bible were warned for hundreds of years and for only a specific people, place and time. This is an open ended comment.

To kill a n0on Muslim child and leave the Muslim child alone. Which is bigotry and evil in and of itself. Doesn't this point to the fact that all non Muslims are hallal to slaughter. Because after all, if you can slaughter a child for being a non Muslim, you can certainly slaughter an adult who has made up his mind and given his Life to Christ.

Thank you for continuing to show how incomprehensible and evil Islam truly is!


Kim i reject Mohamed and Islams allah 100%. And actually think Islams Allah is satan.

Is it just and hallal for you to slaughter me? I freely reject everything from Mohamed! So should i be slaughtered

search 4 truth said...

@ kim

I am going to repeat this as simply as I can.

If in Sahih Muslim it says to slaughter the child that you know will grow up to be a non Muslim. Then you must conclude that all people that are informed about Islam and reject it, must be slaughtered.

Because if its ok to slaughter a child if you know it will grow up to be a non Muslim, then the only reasonable conclusion one must make, is that non Muslim adults who reject Islam are hallal to slaughter at will.

And this is why Osama Bin Laden and others have formally invited the west to Islam. That way they can slaughter any and all of us at will because we are now informed of the invitation to Islam and have formally rejected your evil, Satanic, backward, fascist bigoted intolerant deviant death cult!

Now start spinning!

Kim said...

@ Search 4 Truth

You posted some things that don't prove anything besides the fact that it is permissible to have intercourse with female captives. Nothing about raping them.

@search 4 truth

Khidr is a servant of Allah. I never said he was God. I said that he was informed by Allah about the child's future and was give the command by God to kill him.

And the last Prophet of God was the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), therefore Allah won't directly communicate with any human being after that here on Earth.

And no, you shouldn't be slaughtered. You're free to believe whatever you want. But if you live in an Islamic state you will have to pay the Jizya (which isn't much at all) and would live under a lower social status as compared to the Muslims for your disbelief in the true religion of God, Islam.

Kim said...

I challenge all of you to bring me the worst deeds you think the Prophet Muhammad did and show me your reasoning. I doubt you'll have success.

curly said...

"Heres an interesting hadith that commands Muslims to kill children if they think they will grow up to be non Muslims!"

NO WONDER, where the honor killing come from !

John 8:24 said...

Jesus said: You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."(Matthew 5:43-48)

Jesus teaches us to loving our enemies while Muhammad teaches you to hate those who love you! Kim, now, which is superior Christianity or Islam? Ask your conscience.

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Kim

Whose the scholar that you got your subjective perspective from? Because i see it differently. And it seems pretty clear to me.


Excerpts from - (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433),
(Bukhari 34:432), (Sahih Muslim 3371)
That
I think i proved far more than Muslims are allowed to have sex with captives.

1. I proved that Islam permits adultery - " and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"

2. The captive women were married " were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers"

3. I can't think of any woman who would be in the mood for love with the people that just invaded their homes, killed friends and family, were married, and their husbands were still alive and captive. And they didn't have Jails so I am sure this occurred in the presence of their husbands. Duh, because that's what it says. " were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. " So tell me that this is not rape and I will tell you that you have no moral conviction or integrity!

And I could go on and on about kidnapping and ransoming of people. Not to mention selling them and trading them. You are truly a confused individual, like Allah and Mohamed!

donna60 said...

Kim, if you pretended to be my friend, it would harm me. I would spend money on you for your birthday; I would spend time on you; and I would help you when you need help.

Nevertheless, I am your friend. If I ever could help you, I would.