"I challenge all of you to bring me the worst deeds you think the Prophet Muhammad did and show me your reasoning. I doubt you'll have success."
I'm not sure what she means by the "doubt you'll have success" part. If she means we won't be able to show that Muhammad committed some of the most horrendous acts imaginable, she's clearly wrong. However, if she means that we won't be able to convince her that Muhammad's deeds are horrendous, she's probably right. Muslims take Muhammad as the pillar of morality. Whatever Muhammad does is, by definition, good. Hence, it's nearly impossible to convince a Muslim that Muhammad's actions are evil, even when his actions include rape, torture, murder, polygamy, slave-trading, robbery, attempted suicide, racism, prostitution, and child molestation.
Of course, we have a ton of examples to choose from. I'll start a list, and others can add to it. Here are some of the things I find particularly egregious (in no particular order).
(1) Muhammad had sex with a (prepubescent) nine-year-old girl.
(2) Muhammad married more women than his own revelations allowed (he received a "special" revelation giving him the privilege of violating Surah 4:3).
(3) Muhammad married the wife of his own adopted son.
(4) Muhammad had sex with his slave girls.
(5) Muhammad attempted suicide.
(6) Muhammad delivered a revelation to his followers promoting polytheism.
(7) Muhammad supported idolatrous pagan practices such as kissing a black rock and bowing down to the Ka’ba.
(8) Muhammad ordered his followers to assassinate people who criticized him or his religion.
(9) Muhammad beheaded hundreds of Jews for trying to defend themselves once they realized he was eliminating them.
(10) Muhammad started a war with Mecca when he had a chance to live in peace in Medina.
(11) Muhammad committed numerous acts of terrorism.
(12) Muhammad enslaved thousands of people.
(13) Muhammad allowed his followers to rape their female captives (though he took the most beautiful captive back to his own tent).
(14) Muhammad told his followers it’s okay to beat their wives into submission.
(15) Muhammad hit his wife Aisha.
(16) Muhammad broke an oath to his wives (after receiving a "revelation" giving him permission to break his oaths).
(17) Muhammad wanted to divorce one of his wives once she had become old and unattractive.
(18) Muhammad showed favoritism among his wives.
(19) Muhammad told his followers that women are stupid and that their testimony is unreliable.
(20) Muhammad tortured people for money.
(21) Muhammad supported his religion by robbing people.
(22) Muhammad preached a message of violence, oppression, and cruelty.
(23) Muhammad taught his followers to believe in a god who loves only them, and no one else.
(24) Muhammad ordered his followers not to be friends with non-Muslims.
(25) Muhammad commanded his followers to fight and subjugate non-Muslims.
(26) Muhammad said that Ethiopians have "heads like raisins."
(27) Muhammad allowed his followers to have sex with prostitutes (though, according to some sources, he eventually changed his mind).
It's a start. As always, I'm happy to help Kim learn about her prophet!
45 comments:
Kim and don't forget this is the best of examples the template that all are to follow.
Good job David. I think we should have a project called
Mohammed this was you life like that old TV show of the 50s a sort of a documetary on the prophet of peace and tolerance
It's amazing to me how vastly different these later teachings are from his early ones. I seems to me that he must have started getting these anti-Jew/Christian revelations after he had developed a distinct animosity towards them. In earlier teachings (when he respected and admired "The People of the Book" Jews/Christians), Muhammad taught his followers to emphasize religious similarities between the three religions: "The God you serve and the God we serve is the same", as well as permitting the marriage of Muslim men to non-Muslim Jews and Christians. How different is that from the later teachings of intolerance and judgement! The command to not even be friends with the Christians and Jews. Muhammad broke under the pressure of being an extremely powerful leader and cultural figurehead, unacceptance as a prophet by the Jews and Christians, and most likely the stress of trying to convert people to his religion. I honestly see this as the only logical way such a change could have occured. The change from Christian-like, tolerant, and quite harmless, to hateful, war-like, and suggesting genocide and terrorism against "infidels". I've read that Muhammad tried to live among the Ethiopians for a time, as they were Christian, he was exiled from Mecca, and he hoped to find safe harbor with them. BUt he and his followers were erjected by the Christian Ethiopians. Could this explain why he called the Ethiopians "raisin heads"? Because they hurt his feelings and he hated them?
Wow 27reasons of why we should reject Muhammad and embrace JC!
Let me add on to the list which David started:
(28) Muhammad cursed and abused his own followers:
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/mo_curses.html
Congratulations and thank you. Is that all you got? I'm going to examine each claim after I finish my homework.
Also, what sources did you use to bring on that list?
Not everything is authentic.
David said :"If she means we won't be able to show that Muhammad committed some of the most horrendous acts imaginable, she's clearly wrong. However, if she means that we won't be able to convince her that Muhammad's deeds are horrendous, she's probably right." BINGO!!
That really is the heart if it, isn't it? A while ago I had the unfortunate experience of messaging back and forth on a comment forum like this with a very persistence Muslim who was trying to defend the good name of his prophet against "islamophobic liars" (i.e. informed persons) like me. I mentioned Muhammad's rape of Safiya to him but he came back at me that I was a lier because the Hadith that I gave him as an example mentioned that he "married" Safiya.
The Hadith even said that Safiya was manumitted and then married Muhammad without Mahr (dowery) because her freedom from slavery was supposedly her "Mahr".
I asked him a very simple question. I asked can a woman whose family was killed before her eyes and herself and her fellow tribes women taken as slaves want to sleep with the man to commanded their murder and enslavement? Is that really possible? And can a person whose very freedom is her Mahr refuse to sleep with her captor? Does she have any choice?
His answer after further impugning my character and motives for bringing this story up in the first place was that according to some other hadith that he brought up Safiya was in love with Muhammad and she had problems with her Jewish family and wanted eagerly to marry Muhammad and that when Muhammad was dying she was very sad and that shows her true love for him! And that the enslaving of the Jewish women was because Muslims at that time didn't have prisons to keep their POWs and they had to keep them somewhere safe! And also I should know that the "right of the slave" according to Islam are so advanced that even I a free women don't have those great "rights"! So I could only wish to be the slave at the hand of the prophet!!!
I asked: "Do you really believe this stuff? I mean if there ever was a fabricated hadith it must be exactly this one which makes such outlandish claim that a survivor of a massacre falls in love with the perpetrator of that massacre and desperately wants to be his wife!"
Well... unfortunately he went on further attacking me for bigotry against the prophet and claiming that if he digs hard enough in my life he can find much worse episodes that Muhammad's and that I am evil and call the prophet's marriage a rape to malign im and kept bringing forth quotes from Dhimmi western so-called scholars in the academia telling what a swell guy and a great character Muhammad was. The whole thing ended with him calling me with some rather colorful sexual insults.
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Kim said: "Congratulations and thank you. Is that all you got?"
No, it's not all I've got. Every time I leave the computer, I think of a few more. Jabari has already added one, and I've got some more in my head. After other people add their input, I'll update the list.
Kim said: "Also, what sources did you use to bring on that list? Not everything is authentic."
It all comes from Muslim sources (e.g. the Qur'an, Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan an-Nasai, Jami at-Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Majah, Ibn Ishaq, at-Tabari, Ibn Kathir, etc.). If you're doubting something on the list, just point it out. Better yet, why don't you list the items you agree with, and then list the ones you're challenging. That way, we can focus on the disputed issues.
BTW, "not authentic" according to whom? According to Muslims who want to deny the horrendous actions of their prophet?
Mohammed ordered to kill all dogs
I love dogs ...
I was going to say he had poets killed, but I guess that's the same as (8)...
Another thing to add on to the list:
(29) He had the hands and the feet of the 8 Uraynians cut off, burns their eyeballs out with hot nails and left them to die of thirst:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/shepherds.htm
While they did murder the shepherd, it wasn't necessary to amputate their body parts and burn out their eyes.
#1-8 Have already been wonderfully addressed by many Muslim apologists and I have no problems with them anymore.
#9 I don't know what you mean by "once they realized he was eliminating them. '
#10 He started a war or did they start with him form the beginning? He came back to destroy the terrorism of the Quraish on the Muslims and to spread Islam as prophecised in the Quran.
#11 Numerous acts of terrorism such as what? Raiding caravans? Examples please.
#12 He "enslaved" all of these people because slavery was inevitable in wars back then and the captives had to have been captured or left to be destroyed by other tribes in the desert. However the Quran strongly encourages the freeing of a slave for a good deed and also the treatment of slaves should be as you treat your brothers according to authentic hadeeth.
#13 This one makes me giggle quite a lot because whenever you see a verse in the Quran allowing men to have intercourse with their female captives, to you it means rape. It is permissible to have this itnercourse but it's not some kind of command you have to do? In fact it's better if you don't have intercourse with them. Im pretty sure there were historical circumstances for this.
#14-15 Both adequately addressed by fellow Muslims as far as I can understand.
#16 Show me what you mean.
#17 I read on that on www.call-to-monotheism.com and that cleared things up a lot.
#18 http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/document.aspx?lang=en&doc=245
#19 http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/women_not_deficient_in_intelligence_and_religion.htm
Simply amazing ^^
#20 I'm guessing that refers to the Kinana episode, that part of the Sirah which has no source or way to authenticate it. I'm not buying it.
#21 Already addressed (caravan raiding)
#22 Jihad is meant to eliminate oppression, violence, and cruelty by eliminating unjust dictators from lands that have people begging for justice. And Allah does not like it when Muslims transgress limits.
#23 Allah does not love the disbelievers and he has no reason to love his enemy. Someone who knows that God exists, and his true religion yet covers up the facts and decides to mislead people to hell, such as Satan. Allah does not love Satan (Iblis).
#24-25 There are good reasons not be close friends with non-Muslims especially disbelievers. And their subjugation is due to their disbelief, which is their choice. Worshiping God the wrong way after the right way has been clearly given is absolute nonsense, but Allah has given the non-Muslims their rights in a Sharia society.
#26 Failed attempt at cracking a joke. We know that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not a racist and that is basic elementary Islamic school knowledge.
http://www.islamdunktv.com/2009/09/was-prophet-muhammad-racist.html
#27
http://almutaa.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-did-prophet-muhammad-allow-it-for.html
When I say authentic or not I mean the opinion of the Hadith Scholars, not ordinary Muslims.
OH OH I got one. Torturing and murdering to extract information in order to commit a selfish crime of theft! And I got more to!
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515 "The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."
Purely selfish reasons he took this poor mans life who was trying to protect his property and the property of others!
David are you going to address all of these? Because I can help in any way you want.
But to tell you the truth. She has got problems bro. How she can rationalize and justify all of these actions. Just dismiss them as though they are nothing or extreme. It's beyond rational dude. It's been so ingrained and indoctrinated I think she was raised in a maddrasa , if they even have those for girls. I don't know. But this runs deep. It is a really sad thing to witness.
To hear a woman or a girl justify the rape of women, mother, and daughters. And not be able to have the empathy? I am almost speechless and very sad.
Adding,
(29) Mohammad make up the story about Jesus Christ does not die in the cross and resurrection. Bottomline, He lie to his followers.
Unfortunately, today, Muslim have carried the lie from Mohammad.
I think I know what this is. Kim is not a school girl.
@ Kim
Whose the scholar that you got your subjective perspective from? Because i see it differently. And it seems pretty clear to me.
Excerpts from - (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433),
(Bukhari 34:432), (Sahih Muslim 3371)
That
I think i proved far more than Muslims are allowed to have sex with captives.
1. I proved that Islam permits adultery - " and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
2. The captive women were married " were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers"
3. I can't think of any woman who would be in the mood for love with the people that just invaded their homes, killed friends and family, were married, and their husbands were still alive and captive. And they didn't have Jails so I am sure this occurred in the presence of their husbands. Duh, because that's what it says. " were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. " So tell me that this is not rape and I will tell you that you have no moral conviction or integrity!
And I could go on and on about kidnapping and ransoming of people. Not to mention selling them and trading them. You are truly a confused individual, like Allah and Mohamed!
Go ahead and address them as best as you can.
And yes I do go to a university :)
@ Search 4 Truth
It was the Muslim men who were reluctant. It doesn't say anything about the woman.
TA Ta Taqiyya. I already addressed something. Read it and get busy. And a person of any age or gender can go to University, at least in a non Islamic civilized westernized society. I only know of a few Islamic countries that the girls who go to school get attacked for trying to be equal intellect as men according to Mohamed's sunna where he said you are deficient.
I think short oh Mohamed saying I am a serial killer, rapist, child molesting thief and liar, torturing kidnapper who held people as slaves, captives whom he ransomed, concubines and traded, and was so terrified i thought I was possessed and then later on was possessed and said some things from Satan and was under a spell and thought I slept with all my wives and broke most if not all of the laws of the Prophets.
Then maybe, just maybe she might believe him!
Kim said...
"It was the Muslim men who were reluctant. It doesn't say anything about the woman."
It also doesn't say anything about the women wanting to have sex either. Neither does it say that the husbands of these women approved; so, your statement means nothing at this point. Anyone who gets captured is not likely to want to have sex with their captives, especially when their husbands are still alive and were also captured by the very same people. Don't you think that the women's loyalty would toward their husbands and their morality would be to have their husbands?
Nor does the passage command Muslim men to seek the permission of their sex slaves.
See, this is the problem. These aren't "worst" deeds. Muhammad could have killed a live puppy, cracked an infant's skull open, drank the blood of both, all while simultaneously raping toddlers---and muslims wouldn't care. The man brought them their "terrific" religion and their "perfect" book. Therefore, he's absolved of all these sins. Unless you want to take a relativistic approach, but even then--muslims ain't going to listen.
Kim, aren't you a woman? I assumed you were. Suppose a nation invaded our nation, and we lost, and our men were dead and dying and wounded. Would you be feeling like getting all hot and bothered by the enemy soldiers who attacked us?
donna60 said...
"Kim, aren't you a woman? I assumed you were. Suppose a nation invaded our nation, and we lost, and our men were dead and dying and wounded. Would you be feeling like getting all hot and bothered by the enemy soldiers who attacked us?"
I always say that if you can't use your own argument against you, then you aren't at the point of critical thinking. Thanks donna60 for trying to put some rationality into Kim's head.
Honestly, I think Kim is just messing with us to divert our attention from David's blog. Just look at the attention that she/he has gotten. But, I know that David is smarter than that--to let Kim get the upper hand, so to speak, and defeat the purpose of this blog. Kim should also realize that others will find this blog and see the silliness that he/she is spewing and will have reservations about Islam. This can and will backfire on Kim and her religion in the end. So, Kim, by all means, continue to help by making it easier to refute your religion every time you open your mouth.
Kim said..
"10 He started a war or did they start with him form the beginning? He came back to destroy the terrorism of the Quraish on the Muslims and to spread Islam as prophecised in the Quran."
I will ask you the same you ask to Daivd, can you give me theproof about those acts of terrorism? because when you read the Hadiths, you see that the ppl in Mecca say that Muhammad doesn't respect their gods and humilliate them etc etc with no reason" why Muslims need to copy from the history of early Christianity to make it look like it was just like them how Islam spread and how the first Muslims were? I think Kim is already to used to this level of violence that for her it is normal, besides their asnwers about the 27 bad deeds are perplexing like
"#1-8 Have already been wonderfully addressed by many Muslim apologists and I have no problems with them anymore". Really?
Muhammad presented God swearing in the name of created things...
Muhammad swore in the name of created things...
Muhammad associated himself with God, even arrogating to himself divine titles, and making the confession of his name necessary along with Allah's name...
Muhammad ascribed to God creaturely attributes...
Muhammad put contradictory teachings into the mouth of God, making him look like a liar and ignoramus...
Muhammad denied the Gospel, effectively cutting off millions of people from the only way of salvation...
Muhammad denied that the Son of God came in the flesh, marking himself out as an antichrist...
Muhammad denied the Father and the Son...
Muhammad altered words supposedly given to him by Jibril...
Muhammad turned his own obsessive compulsive behavior and weird taboos into laws that others were expected to follow...
Muhammad attributed indecent acts to the Spirit, saying he appeared as a man and blew into Mary's vagina...
Muhammad gave a convoluted revelations that can't be understood apart from traditions that can't be understood without commentaries that depend on the weak defenses found at Call To Monotheism.
Dear Dr. David,
Thank you for this wonderfull article.
MAY THE PEACE of our LORD be with us all AMEN
Dear Kim first of all I 'd like present my apology by uaing "he" in referring to you instead of "she" I didn't know you were a lady. very sorry for that please.
Surah 2 Ayat 84 "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction."
What do you think of Surah 2 ayat 29 Vs surah 79 ayat 27 to 33? I'm happy to read that you are an university student.
Do not forget that you did answer to my first question about the fridge and the bottle.(Surah 18 Ayat 86). So why are you still a muslim? Because the quran says if you find any mistake it 'd be rejected.
My dear Kim, Muhammad committed SHIRK
Please come to CHRIST like others did. HE LOVES you.
MAY PEACE AND LOVE OF CHRIST BE WITH us now and forever AMEN.
@ kim why does it have to say the women were reluctant? They are just chattel. They are not concerned with their rights. Mohamed and his Allah gave them permission to rape them, there is no question about if they were willing or not. They were CAPTIVES. A POSSESSION. THOSE WHOM THEY RIGHT HAND POSSESS.
I don't know about you but when I possess something I can do what I want with it. DUH!
The loops Muslims have to go to in order to justify the atrocious teachings and actions of Mohamed and Islam is just beyond anything I have seen in a circus!
keep it up
@ Kim and all the Muslims: Friends, please tell us what it takes for you to at least start thinking that there was something wrong with the way your prophet behaved!
If killing, fornicating, enslaving, robing caravans, and raping all are not enough for you to denounce your prophet then tell us what would be enough? What kind of things you should see in a person before you raise a red flag and say: "Hey maybe this guy wasn't that good and holy!"?
How is it that all of us human beings even those who lived back in those barbaric times in the past get on with our lives while avoiding most of these bad acts, but somehow when it comes to Muhammad the supposed holiest man that ever lived he suddenly couldn't have possibly done without them and had an absolute, super-good reason for committing such acts and atrocities!! How can this be rational?
Besides in relation to Muhammad's massacre of Banu Quraiza and Khaibar Jews I have a question to ask Kim and other Muslims. When ever we ask them why on earth Muhammad massacred those Jewish tribes they say: "Oh! It was because they betrayed him and broke treaty with him and aided and abetted the Meccans against the Prophet and that was a capital offense."
Well... all good and neat! Now by these standards I guess you accept then that any time we catch a Muslim Imam or any Muslim in America or Europe who is found to have financially or otherwise aided and abetted our enemies like Al Qaeda (and cases like this existed many times) then our governments are amply justified to round up all Muslims, gather all Muslim males and check for their pubic hair. If it has already grown then they are allowed to kill them on the spot as males belonging to an enemy group and also take all Muslim women and girls and if not sell them as slaves at least put them in some POW camp. Right? If not then why? Please answer and elaborate!
@The Purple Marquise,
Well said, Sister !
Kim, I was very disappointed in your response. You dismissed points 1-8 saying they've been refuted in the past without providing any explanation of your own. I want to see you get past point number 1:
Muhammad had sex with a (prepubescent) nine-year-old girl.
Please explain to us how this is morally acceptable to you.
By the way, what is the age limit for marriage in Islam? Going by your previous postings, it would seem that you'd condone forced sex on 9 year old Aisha and I guess any other married girls, since it's the husband's right.
Thank you for your response in advance.
- Mohammad dressed in woman's clothes (Sahih Bukhari number 2393) which is an abomination to the Lord (Deuteronomy 22:5).
What is particularly disturbing about this is that the hadith says that the inspiration did not come to Mohammad when he wore a woman's garment except that of Aisha. So here you have Mohammad supposedly wearing the clothes of various women, but the inspiration came to him when he was in Aisha's clothes and not that of other women. So who did He get the inspiration from? Could it have been the same God who said that for a man to dress in woman's clothing is an abomination? Would we expect that same God to give inspiration to Mohammad in such an abominable act? Or was the verse in Deuteronomy a corruption? Perhaps Kim can tell us. Maybe it's halal for men to wear women's clothing.
- Mohammad received a dream from Satan, since A) The commencement of the divine inspiration was in the form of dreams, B) That dream places Mohammad in the cave with jibreel whereby he had the nightmare of being choked, nearly dying from an experience with a being He thought was demonic (Sahih Bukhari vol 1 book 1 number 3) and C) Bad dreams are from Satan (Sahih Bukhari vol 9, Book 87, Number 113)
- Mohammad lied about the Qur'an being a clear book (surah 11:1, 12:1, 15:1,etc), backpeddaling and later saying some parts are ambiguous and understood only by Allah (surah 3:7).
- Mohammad attributed to God the command for angels to worship Adam. (Surah 2:34)
- Mohammad misled people into thinking that water infected with human or animal waste, corpses, menstrual cloths, etc was hygenic: (sunan abu dawud number 67)
The worst deed muhammad did was creating a "religion" that intoxicates the braines off all off thosee who follow it driving them into a sub-humane condition where morality is nothing more thane an emptie word...
From a core Islamic text, a hadith in which Muhammad said there is to be no punishment for murdering someone who insults Muhammad
From Sunan Abu-Dawud, a canonical hadith collection:
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother [a slave who bore children for him] who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He [the blind man] forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he [the blind man] took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
Another canonical hadith:
Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
Muhammad supported the murder of those who criticized him or Islam. He thus suppresses the rational-creative faculty (the divine Logos) and civilization itself.
Notice that the above hadith I quoted -- where Muhammad says there shall be no punishment for murdering someone who insults him -- can be used as a method to get away with the the worst crimes: Just say that your victim blasphemed against Muhammad or Islam. Muslim predators in many parts of the world use this technique to rape and pillage Christian or other minorities. See Pakistan, for example.
Hazrat Muhammad (Sm)is the best person of all time.
And I'd like some proofs about the things you wrote.There's no Guaranty that they're true and I don't believe the list
great article this proves that mohammad was EVIL and a FALSE prophet islam is religion of Satan
See guys I am a non muslim...but all of my life I have been living with muslims...i have a my best friend wo is muslim....he is the bestest of all..i have my girlfrnd wo is a muslim...she is the sweetest of all....i dnt see any of the bad traits in a modern society..the terrorism we see are simply the foolish people who use religion to justify their deeds which is wrong....no religion is good or baad...its all about belief...
Muhammad( may peace be upon him )was the greatest human being to walk this planet, he was the most beloved prophet to god, saying your false accusations haven't just angered muslims but they've angered God, i'd hate to be you right now,if you passed from this world who knows what your destiny would be, Allah Knows Best
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