I'm not sure if he's trying to put some humor into this or if he's not mature enough to talk about this subject. Well..he explains crystal clear lol uhm. If that's how Paradise is going to be like, then so be it I don't have a problem with that. What's wrong with having a super beautiful wife/wives with you in the next life in Paradise. Only the people with pure hearts can enter so it's not like some pornstar is going to have fun in there, he'd be in Hell anyways.
The Paradise in Islam I'm sure has much different properties/laws than here on Earth.
Kim, you don't have a problem with women being treated primarily as objects for sex with no other worth? You have no problem with the fact that Islamic heaven is simply a place to have orgies? You have no problem with the fact that Allah holds marriage as such a trifle thing that he does not care about the men's wives or how they feel? You have no problem with the fact that Allah is so inconsistent that eh allows men to have 4 wives now, but 72 in paradise?
Kim said: "I'm not sure if he's trying to put some humor into this or if he's not mature enough to talk about this subject."
Most of what he's saying comes directly from the Muslim sources, so I'm not sure where the humor lies.
Kim said: "If that's how Paradise is going to be like, then so be it I don't have a problem with that."
Really? According to Muhammad, Muslim men in paradise will have (1) their wives from earth, and (2) their houris (specially designed sex machines). How do you think Muslim women would feel if they knew that, in Paradise, they'll be sharing their husbands with specially designed sex machines?
Kim said: "What's wrong with having a super beautiful wife/wives with you in the next life in Paradise."
Here's the problem. If there's really nothing wrong with sitting around having sex with dozens of women, why is it wrong in this world? How does a sex fest go from (a) evil in our world, to (b) good in paradise? Why does the moral law suddenly change?
Kim said: "Only the people with pure hearts can enter so it's not like some pornstar is going to have fun in there, he'd be in Hell anyways."
So a pornstar doesn't have a pure heart? If anything, the pornstar spends his life on earth as if he's in the Islamic heaven. Why would Allah bar people from paradise who want to live like they're in the Muslim paradise?
Besides, you're simply wrong. If the pornstar recites the Shahada, his sins will be placed on Jews and Christians, and he'll enter paradise. Further, a pornstar can easily enter paradise by dying in a jihad. In fact, for people who like pornography, Islam is the perfect religion. It offers an eternity of sex with the most beautiful women imaginable!
Kim said: "The Paradise in Islam I'm sure has much different properties/laws than here on Earth."
Yes. For instance, Muhammad said that men will have eternal erections, so they can continue having sex for eternity.
Well Kim if that's what you believe, so be it. Have fun standing off to the corner while your husband enjoys his virgins. I'm sure that's every woman's dream relationship. Right?
@Kim I noticed you dont respond but I will make an attempt to reach your intellectual integrity!
This is how Mohamed convinced his followers to invade, plunder, slaughter murder, and rape all in the name of their pimp Allah.Forgoing any concern for this life and the life of others.
While Christianity was spread by true martyrdom of laying down your life with non resistance and the love of the Lord, Muslims were imposing their will, converting by the sword and plundering whomever does not fall in line or be enslaved and subjugated.
Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
Muhammad said: 'Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory', and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger' (Sahih Muslim 31:5917)
"Allah:" "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." (Qur'an 8:12)
Muhammad: "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." (Ibn Ishaq 992) ----------------------------------- Jesus: "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (Matthew 5:14)
----------------------------------- "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Qur'an 3:110)
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"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. [34] And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. [35] But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [36] Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
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Now can you imagine the world if people followed Christ in actions and teachings instead of Mohamed's?
And I wonder what Kim would call the hate of the Islamic doctrine for all non Muslims?
Humanophobie? nonMuslimsaphobie?
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
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004.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.
This says we are all your enemies and are all going to attack you. Allah was mistaken.
Someone contact Cnn and MASNBC and Al Jazeera I just found the humanaphobia in the Quran.
BTW: @ 0:16 The learned Maulana says (Translation for this sentence omitted for some reason)"... You obtain dirty and filthy wives and forget Allah..."
How can this not be a problem for Muslim women? Women here are not even considered "Muslims" but sex objects. Is this not degrading .... Why there are still women in male chauvinistic cultic religion is mindboggling, and only boils down to the fact that the koran must have been written by a controlling, womanizing, male chauvinistic pig ... Mohammed? and women in Islam are in it's "trance".
Kim says "The Paradise in Islam I'm sure has much different properties/laws than here on Earth." Oh I'm sure it must but the koran only mentions paradise as an earthly carnal whore house with perpetual orgies for Muslim men, whereas women are nowhere in the equation... Do you not find that a bit odd?
In Kim's defense, you need to stop spreading Islamaphobia by posting this video! You shouldnt let non-Muslims know what Islam really teaches! This will incite feelings of distrust in Islamic theology and make it obvious to all that Islam is a man-made religion based on the cravings of fallen/sinful men!!! Stop the hate!!!
Hazakim1 said... In Kim's defense, you need to stop spreading Islamaphobia by posting this video!..........................Stop the hate!!!
KIM or HAZAKIM or any kind of kim, exposing the truth is not hate. Nobody is posting these videos to spread hate. but people are busy with entertainment programs and all, so plenty of people don't know what muslims are teaching to their fellow muslims against non-muslims. So it is necessary to post these videos to open the eyes of non-muslims. And people like brother David is not spreading hate by posting the videos. Actually muslims are spreading hatred among muslims against us non-muslims. so I think, you don't need to shout.
and here I also am going advertise two videos below again right now -
Thank you for clarifying. I am just confused that you had the time to say that "I do respond when I have the time =)"
But you are absent in responding to the factual and irrefutable evidence that I and others have provided.
I would greatly appreciate a response to the factual evidence I provided.
If you are unwilling or unable to refute the factual evidence that I, and many others including your scholars and prophet provided than I must assume that you are willing to accept the fascism and bigotry of Islam and it's open and clear commands to subjugate or kill all non Muslims until there is a universal caliphate.
What can be done to instill rational and critical thinking?
I thank God FOR MY ABILITY FOR OBJECTIVE REASONING AND CRITICAL Thinking.
An Egyptian Muslim Convert well said "If this is the heaven of Allah, what is wrong with our earth now"... ? A very pertinent Question and needless to say, he was killed for this statement by the "Religion of Peace".
Hey David,
Quoting our dear friend Sam who said very well in his last debate "I will rather be in the heaven of Paul in the company of our Lord Jesus Christ THAN in the BROTHEL of ALLAH".
If this is the heaven of Allah, I would rather be in Hell.
This is in Urdu (which I understand). Translation is slightly biased against the speaker/Muslims, adding words like "listen you Muslim fools" which isn't there.
*Had to come back and insert this comment* @2:34... "Luscious bearded faces"?! This translator is a nut! That isn't in the speaker's words at all.
But it looks like he's only adding silly afterthoughts. The subject matter isn't grossly affected.
Zowie, David, You might want to think twice about rejecting Islam. How can you turn down the chance to look at your wives' livers and see your own refection?
Oh Kim, I am a christian so I will restrain myself of what I really wanted to say to you. I pray that God will open your eyes so you will see the truth. Islam is a lie fostered by the devil himself and carried out by a sex maniac who enjoyed raping captured women after slaughtering their husbands while at the same time pedophiling a 9 year old playing with dolls. Is this the type of leader you want to follow ? I hope you see the light and give your heart to the LORD JESUS CHRIST. He is coming back again to rule the world, Islam's prophet is dead and can't help anybody.
Hi David or Nabeel Can you provide me with a resource that helps to refute Bart Ehrman's negative assertions about the New Testament? I would like to be prepared before any of my church members get troubled by Bart's attack on the New Testament. Thanks.
WOW!!! It is quite unbelievable and shocking what you wrote! IS THERE ANYTHING - NO MATTER HOW SICK - THAT WOULD MAKE YOU WAKE UP AND REJECT ISLAM???
Kim said: "I'm not sure if he's trying to put some humor into this or if he's not mature enough to talk about this subject"
Your initial reaction seems be of disbelief. MAY I ASK YOU WHY? I guess perhaps because you have some sanity still left in you. But then you are a brainwashed Muslim who wants to submit to Allah no matter how nonsensical, sinful and perverse it may seem to you! And therefore, even if you find something abhorring and detestable, you harden your conscience and look for a lame defense. Allah knows best!!!
To answer your question - no, the imam here is not trying to put some humor into this - he is seriously trying to motivate his male Muslim listeners to follow Allah by pointing to the "benefits" that are waiting for them in paradise! He rather seems to thrilled thinking of the sexual pleasures and is enticing his listeners with it.
Kim said: "What's wrong with having a super beautiful wife/wives with you in the next life in Paradise."
1) Why do you use "wife/wives"? To somehow play it down? It is 72 Houris - the imam gives you the exact number!
2) So is there nothing wrong with a brothel-like paradise?
3) Is this the kind of paradise that you are living for and faithfully submitting to Allah all your life? - a sex-paradise?
4) Is this what you are longing to do in paradise ALL ETERNITY?
5) How are things that are considered evil and haram in this world by Muslims pure and halal in a Muslim's paradise and what you actually wait for in heaven?
6) Seriously, what is there for a Muslim women in such a paradise?
Kim said: "Only the people with pure hearts can enter so it's not like some pornstar is going to have fun in there, he'd be in Hell anyways."
7) Are you pure in heart? Or the imam who speaks here? Or can you name some pure-in-heart Muslims for me?
8) Why do you expect a pornstar having fun here in this world to go to hell but a "pure-in-heart" Muslim who goes to a Muslim paradise and has similar fun in heaven is actually fine with you?
9) Which heaven is better: a) the one Jesus talks about - where there is no sex, no marriage and where we live like angels - rejoicing in the presence of God and praising him? (Matthew 22:29,30) A heaven of which the Bible says: "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (Revelations 21:3,4)
b) the one Muhammad offers you - 72 virgins, unlimited-sex, x-ray vision to see through clothes and meat, eternal erections, unlimited-wine
Lastly,
10) What if Allah and his prophet Muhammad are actually deceiving Muslims with a lure of such paradise? - for Allah is the best of all deceivers (Surah 3:54). Have you considered that possibility?
Please answer all these questions and not run away from them - as I notice you and other Muslims often do when they face uncomfortable questions. It doesn't show the "purity of heart", does it? The sad part is that these questions are only for your good and by running away you are actually deceiving yourself.
You have no problem with the fact that Allah is so inconsistent that eh allows men to have 4 wives now, but 72 in paradise?
Our lives on Earth is limited, Paradise is eternal, idk, think about it.
David:
How do you think Muslim women would feel if they knew that, in Paradise, they'll be sharing their husbands with specially designed sex machines?
We know from Islamic teachings that Allah will make our hearts pure, there will be no jealousy or hate or racism in Paradise whatsoever. Muslim women love God, and they don't mind it if their husbands will receive Houris in Paradise.
David:
Further, a pornstar can easily enter paradise by dying in a jihad.
Allah wouldn't allow an extremely sinful person such as a pornstar the chance to perform Jihad in his noble cause.
David:Yes.
For instance, Muhammad said that men will have eternal erections, so they can continue having sex for eternity.
You really see no problem here?
That's mean. Eternal erections? You mean nonstop erection? No.
Search 4 Truth:
Have you read any biography on the lives of the sahabah/companions of the Prophet? Or the full biography of the Prophet Muhammad himself? You post incomplete irrelevant hadiths that had to do with different issues concerning the Prophet's justice and wartime.
It is narrated by Abu Shurayh (R.A.) that the Prophet (S.A.W.) said
"Whoever believes in Allah and the final day (Day of Judgment) it is essential that he does not harm his neighbors and whoever believes in Allah and the final Day it is essential for him to entertain his guest with kindness and generosity and whoever believes in Allah and the Final Day it is essential that he speak what is good or otherwise remain silent."
In another Hadith related by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) the Prophet (PBUH) said, "By Allah, he is not a true believer, By Allah, he is not a true believer, By Allah, he is not a true believer (three times). He was asked 'Who?" Upon which he replied, "The one whose neighbors do not feel secure from his mischief and evil.
In yet another Hadith, related by Anas (R.A.), the Prophet (PBUH) said "He has not affirmed faith in me (i.e. he is not a true follower) who eats to his satisfaction and sleeps comfortably at night while his neighbor goes hungry - and he is aware of it."
It doesn't matter if your neighbor is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Atheist, we are required to treat them and feed them well in Islam.
Well isnt that funny how there are so many contradiction in the Quran and Hadith?
How are these irrelevant? And these are open commands,not just during times of war. You are either ignorant or deceptive! And Muslims are in a constant state of war with all non Muslims to impose their death cult on us!
048.029 Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward
And as far as subjective biographies i go straight to the sources, YOUR Islamic doctrine!
Muhammad (the subject) is the Messenger of God (its predicate) and those who are with him, that is, his Companions from among the believers (wa’lladhīna ma‘ahu, [another] subject, the predicate of which [is the following, ashiddā’u]) are hard, tough, against the disbelievers, showing them no mercy [but], merciful among themselves (ruhamā’u is a second predicate [of wa’lladhīna ma‘ahu, ‘and those who are with him’]), that is to say, they show mutual sympathy and affection for one another, much like a father and a son. You see, you observe, them bowing, prostrating [in worship] (both rukka‘an and sujjadan are circumstantial qualifiers). They seek (yabtaghūna is the beginning of a new sentence) bounty from God and beatitude. Their mark (sīmāhum is a subject), their distinguishing feature, is on their faces (fī wujūhihim is its predicate): this is a light and a radiance by which, in the Hereafter, they will be recognised as having been those who used to prostrate in this world, from the effect of prostration (min athari’l-sujūdi is semantically connected to the same thing to which the predicate is semantically connected, that is to say, kā’inatan, ‘[this] being [from the effect of prostration]’; syntactically, it is a circumstantial qualifier referring to the subject [of kā’inatan], which is also the subject of the predicate [sc. wujūhihim, ‘their faces’]). That, mentioned description, is their description (mathaluhum is the subject) in the Torah (fī’l-tawrāti is the predicate thereof); and their description in the Gospel (wa-mathaluhum fī’l-injīli, is a subject, the predicate of which is [what follows]) is as a seed that sends forth its shoot (read shat’ahu or shata’ahu) and strengthens it (read āzarahu or azarahu), nourishing it and assisting it, and it grows stout and rises firmly, becoming strong and upright, upon its stalk, its roots (sūq is the plural of sāq), delighting the sowers, that is to say those who planted it, on account of its fairness. The Companions, may God be pleased with them, are being described in this way, for at the outset they were weak and very few in number; but then their number grew and they acquired strength in the most wholesome way, so that He may enrage the disbelievers by them (li-yaghīza bihimu’l-kuffāra is semantically connected to an omitted clause, which is suggested by what preceded, that is to say, ‘they are likened to this [so that God may enrage the disbelievers]’). God has promised those of them who believe and perform righteous deeds, the Companions (minhum, ‘of them’: min, ‘of’, is an indicator of the genus and not partitive, for they are all possessed of the mentioned attributes) forgiveness and a great reward — Paradise. Both of these [rewards] will also be given to those who will come after them, as is stated in other verses.
Also you Are not to even have non Muslim friends or family members!
Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:
Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. So do you actually choose to remain ignorant? Or has Islam erased your integrity?
And these hadith that you failed to reference are speaking about being kind to other Muslim neighbors. It is not speaking about non Muslims. Because I have shown you cannot be friends and ACCORDING TO YOUR Allah you must treat us harshly.
Do you know that the zakat cannot be used for non Muslims? that means you cannot feed the non Muslim poor with the zakat moneys. I fear that you are just being deceptive and lack all objective reasoning, critical thinking, and intellectual integrity!
Dear Jihad Forum I never thought this would happen to me. My name is Abu, I am or I should say was a poor pesant Muslim in Pakistan, when the most amazing thing happened to me. I was praying at the local Mosque in Ghundi when another brother martyred himself and 50 of us. May Allah be pleased with this brother, because he gave me the most wonderful gift. I awoke in the splendor of Allah’s paradise, lots of wine, honey, and ohh the food there is food. But best of all, are the Hories, oh they are so beautiful, you can see right through them and view their meat. I swear by Allah it is better than roast beef, or a leg of lamb. It has only been a day but the joy of being in such lust and luxury is very pleasing to the senses. Well I have to go, the hories are calling.
Dear Jihad Forum, I have to report that the hadeeth are true, I have the strength and stamina of a hundred Muslim men. The Hories are non stop, I can not tell you about the food or drink as I have not had time to eat since the Hories will not let me be. It is a good thing the Kuffar are not allowed in Allahs paradise, they seek medical attention for a erection lasting 4 hours, it has been four months for me and still no end in site. Although I have not had a orgasm or a release yet, but I’m sure that Allah willing I will be able to soon. Then I can eat the food and drink the wine, INSHALLAH. Well I have to go more Hories are hear calling my name. It is the sound of angels.
Dear Jihad Forum It has been 10 years since I was martyrd and entered into Allahs paradise . I still can not tell you about the food since I have not been able to eat. All my time has been spent satisfying the hories who are never satisfied and they will not leave me alone. They incessantly call my name, and will not shut up. What at first sounded like angles now is the shrill screech of 70 banchies. May I have a orgasm soon Inshallah.
Dear Jihad Forum It has been over a hundred years, for the last decade I have been running from Hories, from one end of Allahs paradise to the other they have chased me. Calling my name “ABU,,,, ABU,,,, WHERE IS ABU….” The sound is like nails being scratched across a chalk board.
There is good news, since I have been on the run from the hories I finally did get something to eat. I never had wine before so I do not know., is wine supposed to taste vinegar? The honey although sweet, has a sacrin after taste that never goes away, and the meat is all fat and grizzle. I still have an erection May Allah Curse the day I was born, my scrotum is now hard and cracked like leather that has been dried in the hot Arabian sun. What once were my testicals now feel as if they are pieces of broken glass, and my penis feels like it has been scoured with sand paper and steal wool for over a century. I no longer desire the hories, or a orgasm, or even food or drink. I just want to rest, please Allah just make it stop. Oh no The Hories have found me JUST SHUT UP ALREADY AND GO AWAY.
Kim, let me explain to you a little something about being a woman. There is only one way that a woman can know her husband is attracted to someone besides herself, and that is if she simply has stopped caring about him.
And living with a husband that you no longer care for, is a form of hell-on-earth.
Please enlighten me. Why should I want to spend eternity in a place that all women understand is a place of emotional torment?
Is there a problem with Paradise having love and intimacy between men and women? If Paradise/Heaven is supposed to be the epitome of joy and bliss, then why is having intimate realtions out of the question according to Christians?
"Muslim women love God, and they don't mind it if their husbands will receive Houris in Paradise."
...and what about muslim men?
Do they not love God also? If yes, I guess they wouldn't mind that Allah would give their wifes 72 male houris for their own pleasure? Right?
Unless that you claim that men do not love God, and therefore only women will have the time to worship Allah, while their males will be busy having sex with their Houris?
Do you know that lots of the suicide bombers in the West spent their last days in sex shops, longing for the "pleasure" to come aftermath?
Is it the best way for a muslim to prepare for the encounter with Allah?
Is there a problem with Paradise having love and intimacy between men and women? If Paradise/Heaven is supposed to be the epitome of joy and bliss, then why is having intimate realtions out of the question according to Christians?
My response: There's nothing about having love and intimacy between men and women. But if sex is the primary focus in the Islamic Heaven then that turns it into a carnal whore house. Secondly the reason Heaven is the epitome of Joy and bliss is because our Ultimate joy and bliss comes directly from the Triune God.
The irony is that Pakistan means "land of the pure"! It is a pretending game which you can see a lot in Islam. It is not done with calling oneself pure, pridefully feeling to be pure or enforcing pseudo-purity through harsh rules!
Another thing: I posted 10 questions for you. Have you got the answers?
May God Bless you for making me life as I have never laughed since I saw David's video on "Houris or Rasins".
But I believe that God has used you to reveal further the Satanic truths about Islam.
For those of you who have not read these posts, PLEASE DO YOURSELF A FAVOR and read the satiric comments of Radical Moderate above on the possible scenario if Muhammad's version of heaven is true... LAUGHTER GUARANTEED.
There are Muslim brothers who see nothing wrong in this…
The Bible says so aptly “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks”. In any sense, this is nothing more than the wild sex fantasies of a nymphomaniac. Imagine the embarrassment of going around all the time with eternal erections on one side and a bottle of wine in a hand… does this portray the purity of what heaven is in ANY MANNER? Come on… renewable virginity, does this seem anything other than the fantasy of a desert dwelling, camel riding barbarian !!!
It’s definitely no wonder than that many media and sports personalities are converting to Islam… they are promised that they can continue their same earthly lifestyle in heaven for eternity. Guess they have not read Abu’s testimony… ABOVE….from @RadicalModerate.
As one writer well puts it “If Allah’s heaven is true, what is wrong with this world… isn’t this what our present world system seeping into??”. I would rather be in the heaven as described in the Bible comprising of continual fellowship with my Christ than in Allah’s harem.
I cannot wait for the day when I will be with Jesus as a friend as a brother… walking with him, speaking with Him, laughing with Him, debating with Him, singing to Him, asking him tones of questions and ofcourse giving Him a BIGGGG HUGGGGG… No one can ever describe this as boring. My heart leaps at the thought.
I look forward to being in the eternal company of my true Friend, Philosopher and Guide… MY JESUS.
I have already compiled the posts of @RadicalModerate above ("Testimony of Abu - A Jihad Martyr") into a document for circulation... That is the funniest thing I have seen after your post on "Houries Or Raisins"
Suggest you to put it on the front page... this is too good... I had sincerely thought of the implications but the same couldn't have been better put down than what was done by Radical Moderate. Makes me revolt at the thought of Allah's heaven...
It is definitely nothing more than a wet dream of a camel riding barbaric nymphomaniac... this is what you would expect to hear him say to ensure the allegiance of his blood thirsty hordes.
David/Nabeel: This makes the work that you do all the more crucial. You will know only in eternity when we meet in heaven as to how the information provided by you was used to get our Lost Muslim brothers and sisters to Christ.
Wow...I see my sarcasm above wasnt clear enough. At any rate....Radical Mod......HILARIOUS! True.....but sad at the same time. To think men have entered eternity for such a false promise, only to find God's wrath! Shame on Islamic clerics who teach this nonsense.
Concerning female suicide bombers....does anyone know what sort of paradise they expect?
I believe Naren and Hazkim understood my sarcasm in my little skit "Letters to Jihad Forum" however I feel I should explain a bit to others who did not get it.
Kim and other Muslims who have asked words to the affect of "So there will be sex in heaven what is wrong with that?"
I will be sadly disapointed if there is SEX in heaven.
The reason is that My GOD is so much more then what I can imagine, and the intamacy of being in his presence and in comunion with him will be far greator then SEXUAL intercorse with another one of his creatures.
I have corrected all the spelling and grammatical typos, cleaned up the looks and have added a few after thoughts to the document. I am now adding all the Quranic and Hadith quotes to make it more authentic. Can email it to you, it is worth a circulation to all your Muslim friends. I challenge them to prove me wrong since this is a logical follow-through of their proposition.
ALL THOSE WHO WANT THIS COMPILATION, PLEASE WRITE TO ME ON EPHESIANS4.14@GMAIL.COM.
In anycase, only one word I can think of "YUCK"... I am a man and do get quite a few corrupt thoughts but NO WAY I want a follow through in heaven. I would at any cost prefer an eternity in the fellowship of my Christ and my fellow brethren in heaven THAN the sex fest in Allah's brothel.
I have studied quite a few religions but NONE come close to the depravity in Muhammad's heaven. Discussing this with a Muslim friend of mine... his response was "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"... True example of someone brainwashed... Nothing but a lot of prayers can help us in this uphill task.
"Is there a problem with Paradise having love and intimacy between men and women?"
You have a point; especially that this was the case with Adam and Eve. However, the eternal life promissed by Jesus is far more than that. It is the internal explosion of joy in God's unlimited presence and love that will make the sexual act redundant in comparison.
Muslim scholars justify polygamy on Earth by saying that it is to solve the problem of the shortage in men numbers who dies generally in Jihad or wars. What about the countries where the opposite is true because of the selective gender abortion which favours the boys?
And does Allah have an exceeding number of houris, where he have to dedicate 72 of them to each man? I wonder how would a man have any time for Allah, being in permanent erection jumping from one houri to another with his heavenly sexual power duplicated?
Do you call this an act of "love and intimacy"? I rather call it an orgy. You can have it here already on Earth.
Wether here or in Paradise -you can call it what you want, a polygamy is a system designed to please the man. It's all about sex.... not love and intimacy.....
------------- Hazakim1, you wrote:
"Concerning female suicide bombers....does anyone know what sort of paradise they expect?"
Female suicide bombers such as chechnian "black widows" wish to join their husbands in Paradise, as Allah's promisses. He also promissed to get a husband for unmarried martyr women.
The problem is that in Paradise, they will be the master of the 72 houris dedicated to their husbands.
One imam said that there is no other joy for a woman than to see her man happy!
It may sound a curse, but it is still better than what awaits them if they do not satisfy their husbands on Earth: In hell, they will be hung in fire for eternity from their tongues, from their boobs, from their hairs, etc.
I am from India and Hindi is my mother tongue... the language this ass is speaking in is Hindi...
KNOCK KNOCK KIM!!!! KIM ALERT !!! In the first sentence as per the translation at 0:16, the translation shows "You Muslims throw away your heart on rotten decaying women"... THE ACTUAL TRANSLATION IS "YOU MUSLIMS THROW AWAY YOUR HEART ON ROTTEN DECAYING WIVES"....
Kim, if you are a man, this sentence is for your mother/wife/sister/daughter and if you are a woman, this sentence is for your mother/wife/sister/daughter... Hey, don't kill the messenger, this is your own Maulana quoting from the Glorious (sic) Quran.
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I'm not sure if he's trying to put some humor into this or if he's not mature enough to talk about this subject. Well..he explains crystal clear lol uhm. If that's how Paradise is going to be like, then so be it I don't have a problem with that. What's wrong with having a super beautiful wife/wives with you in the next life in Paradise. Only the people with pure hearts can enter so it's not like some pornstar is going to have fun in there, he'd be in Hell anyways.
The Paradise in Islam I'm sure has much different properties/laws than here on Earth.
Kim, you don't have a problem with women being treated primarily as objects for sex with no other worth?
You have no problem with the fact that Islamic heaven is simply a place to have orgies?
You have no problem with the fact that Allah holds marriage as such a trifle thing that he does not care about the men's wives or how they feel?
You have no problem with the fact that Allah is so inconsistent that eh allows men to have 4 wives now, but 72 in paradise?
well then...
Kim said: "I'm not sure if he's trying to put some humor into this or if he's not mature enough to talk about this subject."
Most of what he's saying comes directly from the Muslim sources, so I'm not sure where the humor lies.
Kim said: "If that's how Paradise is going to be like, then so be it I don't have a problem with that."
Really? According to Muhammad, Muslim men in paradise will have (1) their wives from earth, and (2) their houris (specially designed sex machines). How do you think Muslim women would feel if they knew that, in Paradise, they'll be sharing their husbands with specially designed sex machines?
Kim said: "What's wrong with having a super beautiful wife/wives with you in the next life in Paradise."
Here's the problem. If there's really nothing wrong with sitting around having sex with dozens of women, why is it wrong in this world? How does a sex fest go from (a) evil in our world, to (b) good in paradise? Why does the moral law suddenly change?
Kim said: "Only the people with pure hearts can enter so it's not like some pornstar is going to have fun in there, he'd be in Hell anyways."
So a pornstar doesn't have a pure heart? If anything, the pornstar spends his life on earth as if he's in the Islamic heaven. Why would Allah bar people from paradise who want to live like they're in the Muslim paradise?
Besides, you're simply wrong. If the pornstar recites the Shahada, his sins will be placed on Jews and Christians, and he'll enter paradise. Further, a pornstar can easily enter paradise by dying in a jihad. In fact, for people who like pornography, Islam is the perfect religion. It offers an eternity of sex with the most beautiful women imaginable!
Kim said: "The Paradise in Islam I'm sure has much different properties/laws than here on Earth."
Yes. For instance, Muhammad said that men will have eternal erections, so they can continue having sex for eternity.
You really see no problem here?
Wow, this guy puts Lary Flint to shame.
Well Kim if that's what you believe, so be it.
Have fun standing off to the corner while your husband enjoys his virgins.
I'm sure that's every woman's dream relationship. Right?
@Kim I noticed you dont respond but I will make an attempt to reach your intellectual integrity!
This is how Mohamed convinced his followers to invade, plunder, slaughter murder, and rape all in the name of their pimp Allah.Forgoing any concern for this life and the life of others.
While Christianity was spread by true martyrdom of laying down your life with non resistance and the love of the Lord, Muslims were imposing their will, converting by the sword and plundering whomever does not fall in line or be enslaved and subjugated.
Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
Muhammad said: 'Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory', and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger' (Sahih Muslim 31:5917)
"Allah:"
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them."
(Qur'an 8:12)
Muhammad:
"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
(Ibn Ishaq 992)
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Jesus:
"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 5:14)
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"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 3:110)
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"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)
Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. [34] And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. [35] But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [36] Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
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Now can you imagine the world if people followed Christ in actions and teachings instead of Mohamed's?
And I wonder what Kim would call the hate of the Islamic doctrine for all non Muslims?
Humanophobie? nonMuslimsaphobie?
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
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004.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.
This says we are all your enemies and are all going to attack you. Allah was mistaken.
Someone contact Cnn and MASNBC and Al Jazeera I just found the humanaphobia in the Quran.
Peace and love through Christ!
BTW: @ 0:16 The learned Maulana says (Translation for this sentence omitted for some reason)"... You obtain dirty and filthy wives and forget Allah..."
How can this not be a problem for Muslim women? Women here are not even considered "Muslims" but sex objects. Is this not degrading .... Why there are still women in male chauvinistic cultic religion is mindboggling, and only boils down to the fact that the koran must have been written by a controlling, womanizing, male chauvinistic pig ... Mohammed? and women in Islam are in it's "trance".
Kim says "The Paradise in Islam I'm sure has much different properties/laws than here on Earth." Oh I'm sure it must but the koran only mentions paradise as an earthly carnal whore house with perpetual orgies for Muslim men, whereas women are nowhere in the equation... Do you not find that a bit odd?
I do respond when I have the time =)
In Kim's defense, you need to stop spreading Islamaphobia by posting this video! You shouldnt let non-Muslims know what Islam really teaches! This will incite feelings of distrust in Islamic theology and make it obvious to all that Islam is a man-made religion based on the cravings of fallen/sinful men!!! Stop the hate!!!
Hazakim1 said...
In Kim's defense, you need to stop spreading Islamaphobia by posting this video!..........................Stop the hate!!!
KIM or HAZAKIM or any kind of kim, exposing the truth is not hate. Nobody is posting these videos to spread hate. but people are busy with entertainment programs and all, so plenty of people don't know what muslims are teaching to their fellow muslims against non-muslims. So it is necessary to post these videos to open the eyes of non-muslims. And people like brother David is not spreading hate by posting the videos. Actually muslims are spreading hatred among muslims against us non-muslims. so I think, you don't need to shout.
and here I also am going advertise two videos below again right now -
video 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAxXKjUfZY
video 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFSA6wp7qog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro0zK6g8Ybo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2p-6Z6vXek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nqYt-DQYyc
@ kIM
Thank you for clarifying. I am just confused that you had the time to say that "I do respond when I have the time =)"
But you are absent in responding to the factual and irrefutable evidence that I and others have provided.
I would greatly appreciate a response to the factual evidence I provided.
If you are unwilling or unable to refute the factual evidence that I, and many others including your scholars and prophet provided than I must assume that you are willing to accept the fascism and bigotry of Islam and it's open and clear commands to subjugate or kill all non Muslims until there is a universal caliphate.
What can be done to instill rational and critical thinking?
I thank God FOR MY ABILITY FOR OBJECTIVE REASONING AND CRITICAL Thinking.
And I` pray for Muslims!
In Christs name i pray for Kim!
Another discussion of the Islamic World today:
http://tinyurl.com/3swafxy
Hey Kim,
An Egyptian Muslim Convert well said "If this is the heaven of Allah, what is wrong with our earth now"... ? A very pertinent Question and needless to say, he was killed for this statement by the "Religion of Peace".
Hey David,
Quoting our dear friend Sam who said very well in his last debate "I will rather be in the heaven of Paul in the company of our Lord Jesus Christ THAN in the BROTHEL of ALLAH".
If this is the heaven of Allah, I would rather be in Hell.
GOD BLESS
In Christ
Naren
In times like these, I have a deep appreciation for good humor.....
http://youtu.be/mX0eJ1G1kzs
This is in Urdu (which I understand). Translation is slightly biased against the speaker/Muslims, adding words like "listen you Muslim fools" which isn't there.
*Had to come back and insert this comment* @2:34... "Luscious bearded faces"?! This translator is a nut! That isn't in the speaker's words at all.
But it looks like he's only adding silly afterthoughts. The subject matter isn't grossly affected.
Zowie, David, You might want to think twice about rejecting Islam. How can you turn down the chance to look at your wives' livers and see your own refection?
Oh Kim, I am a christian so I will restrain myself of what I really wanted to say to you. I pray that God will open your eyes so you will see the truth. Islam is a lie fostered by the devil himself and carried out by a sex maniac who enjoyed raping captured women after slaughtering their husbands while at the same time pedophiling a 9 year old playing with dolls. Is this the type of leader you want to follow ? I hope you see the light and give your heart to the LORD JESUS CHRIST. He is coming back again to rule the world, Islam's prophet is dead and can't help anybody.
Hi David or Nabeel
Can you provide me with a resource that helps to refute Bart Ehrman's negative assertions about the New Testament? I would like to be prepared before any of my church members get troubled by Bart's attack on the New Testament. Thanks.
Dear Kim,
WOW!!! It is quite unbelievable and shocking what you wrote! IS THERE ANYTHING - NO MATTER HOW SICK - THAT WOULD MAKE YOU WAKE UP AND REJECT ISLAM???
Kim said: "I'm not sure if he's trying to put some humor into this or if he's not mature enough to talk about this subject"
Your initial reaction seems be of disbelief. MAY I ASK YOU WHY? I guess perhaps because you have some sanity still left in you. But then you are a brainwashed Muslim who wants to submit to Allah no matter how nonsensical, sinful and perverse it may seem to you! And therefore, even if you find something abhorring and detestable, you harden your conscience and look for a lame defense. Allah knows best!!!
To answer your question - no, the imam here is not trying to put some humor into this - he is seriously trying to motivate his male Muslim listeners to follow Allah by pointing to the "benefits" that are waiting for them in paradise! He rather seems to thrilled thinking of the sexual pleasures and is enticing his listeners with it.
Kim said: "What's wrong with having a super beautiful wife/wives with you in the next life in Paradise."
1) Why do you use "wife/wives"? To somehow play it down? It is 72 Houris - the imam gives you the exact number!
2) So is there nothing wrong with a brothel-like paradise?
3) Is this the kind of paradise that you are living for and faithfully submitting to Allah all your life? - a sex-paradise?
4) Is this what you are longing to do in paradise ALL ETERNITY?
5) How are things that are considered evil and haram in this world by Muslims pure and halal in a Muslim's paradise and what you actually wait for in heaven?
6) Seriously, what is there for a Muslim women in such a paradise?
Kim said: "Only the people with pure hearts can enter so it's not like some pornstar is going to have fun in there, he'd be in Hell anyways."
7) Are you pure in heart? Or the imam who speaks here? Or can you name some pure-in-heart Muslims for me?
8) Why do you expect a pornstar having fun here in this world to go to hell but a "pure-in-heart" Muslim who goes to a Muslim paradise and has similar fun in heaven is actually fine with you?
9) Which heaven is better:
a) the one Jesus talks about - where there is no sex, no marriage and where we live like angels - rejoicing in the presence of God and praising him? (Matthew 22:29,30) A heaven of which the Bible says: "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (Revelations 21:3,4)
b) the one Muhammad offers you - 72 virgins, unlimited-sex, x-ray vision to see through clothes and meat, eternal erections, unlimited-wine
Lastly,
10) What if Allah and his prophet Muhammad are actually deceiving Muslims with a lure of such paradise? - for Allah is the best of all deceivers (Surah 3:54). Have you considered that possibility?
Please answer all these questions and not run away from them - as I notice you and other Muslims often do when they face uncomfortable questions. It doesn't show the "purity of heart", does it? The sad part is that these questions are only for your good and by running away you are actually deceiving yourself.
May the true God bless you and may you know Him!
ogunitracy:
You have no problem with the fact that Allah is so inconsistent that eh allows men to have 4 wives now, but 72 in paradise?
Our lives on Earth is limited, Paradise is eternal, idk, think about it.
David:
How do you think Muslim women would feel if they knew that, in Paradise, they'll be sharing their husbands with specially designed sex machines?
We know from Islamic teachings that Allah will make our hearts pure, there will be no jealousy or hate or racism in Paradise whatsoever. Muslim women love God, and they don't mind it if their husbands will receive Houris in Paradise.
David:
Further, a pornstar can easily enter paradise by dying in a jihad.
Allah wouldn't allow an extremely sinful person such as a pornstar the chance to perform Jihad in his noble cause.
David:Yes.
For instance, Muhammad said that men will have eternal erections, so they can continue having sex for eternity.
You really see no problem here?
That's mean. Eternal erections? You mean nonstop erection? No.
Search 4 Truth:
Have you read any biography on the lives of the sahabah/companions of the Prophet? Or the full biography of the Prophet Muhammad himself? You post incomplete irrelevant hadiths that had to do with different issues concerning the Prophet's justice and wartime.
It is narrated by Abu Shurayh (R.A.) that the Prophet (S.A.W.) said
"Whoever believes in Allah and the final day (Day of Judgment) it is essential that he does not harm his neighbors and whoever believes in Allah and the final Day it is essential for him to entertain his guest with kindness and generosity and whoever believes in Allah and the Final Day it is essential that he speak what is good or otherwise remain silent."
In another Hadith related by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) the Prophet (PBUH) said,
"By Allah, he is not a true believer, By Allah, he is not a true believer, By Allah, he is not a true believer (three times). He was asked 'Who?" Upon which he replied, "The one whose neighbors do not feel secure from his mischief and evil.
In yet another Hadith, related by Anas (R.A.), the Prophet (PBUH) said
"He has not affirmed faith in me (i.e. he is not a true follower) who eats to his satisfaction and sleeps comfortably at night while his neighbor goes hungry - and he is aware of it."
It doesn't matter if your neighbor is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Atheist, we are required to treat them and feed them well in Islam.
@Kim
Well isnt that funny how there are so many contradiction in the Quran and Hadith?
How are these irrelevant? And these are open commands,not just during times of war. You are either ignorant or deceptive!
And Muslims are in a constant state of war with all non Muslims to impose their death cult on us!
048.029 Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward
And as far as subjective biographies i go straight to the sources, YOUR Islamic doctrine!
Here are the tafsir. and it is open commands to treat all non Muslims harshly!
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّآءُ عَلَى ٱلْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَآءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِمْ مِّنْ أَثَرِ ٱلسُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي ٱلتَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي ٱلإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَٱسْتَغْلَظَ فَٱسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ ٱلزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ ٱلْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ ٱلصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً }
Muhammad (the subject) is the Messenger of God (its predicate) and those who are with him, that is, his Companions from among the believers (wa’lladhīna ma‘ahu, [another] subject, the predicate of which [is the following, ashiddā’u]) are hard, tough, against the disbelievers, showing them no mercy [but], merciful among themselves (ruhamā’u is a second predicate [of wa’lladhīna ma‘ahu, ‘and those who are with him’]), that is to say, they show mutual sympathy and affection for one another, much like a father and a son. You see, you observe, them bowing, prostrating [in worship] (both rukka‘an and sujjadan are circumstantial qualifiers). They seek (yabtaghūna is the beginning of a new sentence) bounty from God and beatitude. Their mark (sīmāhum is a subject), their distinguishing feature, is on their faces (fī wujūhihim is its predicate): this is a light and a radiance by which, in the Hereafter, they will be recognised as having been those who used to prostrate in this world, from the effect of prostration (min athari’l-sujūdi is semantically connected to the same thing to which the predicate is semantically connected, that is to say, kā’inatan, ‘[this] being [from the effect of prostration]’; syntactically, it is a circumstantial qualifier referring to the subject [of kā’inatan], which is also the subject of the predicate [sc. wujūhihim, ‘their faces’]). That, mentioned description, is their description (mathaluhum is the subject) in the Torah (fī’l-tawrāti is the predicate thereof); and their description in the Gospel (wa-mathaluhum fī’l-injīli, is a subject, the predicate of which is [what follows]) is as a seed that sends forth its shoot (read shat’ahu or shata’ahu) and strengthens it (read āzarahu or azarahu), nourishing it and assisting it, and it grows stout and rises firmly, becoming strong and upright, upon its stalk, its roots (sūq is the plural of sāq), delighting the sowers, that is to say those who planted it, on account of its fairness. The Companions, may God be pleased with them, are being described in this way, for at the outset they were weak and very few in number; but then their number grew and they acquired strength in the most wholesome way, so that He may enrage the disbelievers by them (li-yaghīza bihimu’l-kuffāra is semantically connected to an omitted clause, which is suggested by what preceded, that is to say, ‘they are likened to this [so that God may enrage the disbelievers]’). God has promised those of them who believe and perform righteous deeds, the Companions (minhum, ‘of them’: min, ‘of’, is an indicator of the genus and not partitive, for they are all possessed of the mentioned attributes) forgiveness and a great reward — Paradise. Both of these [rewards] will also be given to those who will come after them, as is stated in other verses.
Also you Are not to even have non Muslim friends or family members!
Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:
Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. So do you actually choose to remain ignorant? Or has Islam erased your integrity?
And these hadith that you failed to reference are speaking about being kind to other Muslim neighbors. It is not speaking about non Muslims. Because I have shown you cannot be friends and ACCORDING TO YOUR Allah you must treat us harshly.
Do you know that the zakat cannot be used for non Muslims? that means you cannot feed the non Muslim poor with the zakat moneys. I fear that you are just being deceptive and lack all objective reasoning, critical thinking, and intellectual integrity!
Dear Jihad Forum
I never thought this would happen to me. My name is Abu, I am or I should say was a poor pesant Muslim in Pakistan, when the most amazing thing happened to me. I was praying at the local Mosque in Ghundi when another brother martyred himself and 50 of us. May Allah be pleased with this brother, because he gave me the most wonderful gift.
I awoke in the splendor of Allah’s paradise, lots of wine, honey, and ohh the food there is food. But best of all, are the Hories, oh they are so beautiful, you can see right through them and view their meat. I swear by Allah it is better than roast beef, or a leg of lamb. It has only been a day but the joy of being in such lust and luxury is very pleasing to the senses. Well I have to go, the hories are calling.
Dear Jihad Forum,
I have to report that the hadeeth are true, I have the strength and stamina of a hundred Muslim men. The Hories are non stop, I can not tell you about the food or drink as I have not had time to eat since the Hories will not let me be. It is a good thing the Kuffar are not allowed in Allahs paradise, they seek medical attention for a erection lasting 4 hours, it has been four months for me and still no end in site. Although I have not had a orgasm or a release yet, but I’m sure that Allah willing I will be able to soon. Then I can eat the food and drink the wine, INSHALLAH.
Well I have to go more Hories are hear calling my name. It is the sound of angels.
Dear Jihad Forum
It has been 10 years since I was martyrd and entered into Allahs paradise . I still can not tell you about the food since I have not been able to eat.
All my time has been spent satisfying the hories who are never satisfied and they will not leave me alone. They incessantly call my name, and will not shut up. What at first sounded like angles now is the shrill screech of 70 banchies. May I have a orgasm soon Inshallah.
Dear Jihad Forum
It has been over a hundred years, for the last decade I have been running from Hories, from one end of Allahs paradise to the other they have chased me. Calling my name “ABU,,,, ABU,,,, WHERE IS ABU….” The sound is like nails being scratched across a chalk board.
There is good news, since I have been on the run from the hories I finally did get something to eat. I never had wine before so I do not know., is wine supposed to taste vinegar? The honey although sweet, has a sacrin after taste that never goes away, and the meat is all fat and grizzle.
I still have an erection May Allah Curse the day I was born, my scrotum is now hard and cracked like leather that has been dried in the hot Arabian sun. What once were my testicals now feel as if they are pieces of broken glass, and my penis feels like it has been scoured with sand paper and steal wool for over a century. I no longer desire the hories, or a orgasm, or even food or drink. I just want to rest, please Allah just make it stop. Oh no The Hories have found me
JUST SHUT UP ALREADY AND GO AWAY.
Kim, let me explain to you a little something about being a woman. There is only one way that a woman can know her husband is attracted to someone besides herself, and that is if she simply has stopped caring about him.
And living with a husband that you no longer care for, is a form of hell-on-earth.
Please enlighten me. Why should I want to spend eternity in a place that all women understand is a place of emotional torment?
Taomeano...
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Is there a problem with Paradise having love and intimacy between men and women? If Paradise/Heaven is supposed to be the epitome of joy and bliss, then why is having intimate realtions out of the question according to Christians?
Also, I'd like everyone to read this article here
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_christian_misconceptions_about_the_islamic_paradise_and_a_brief_look_at_the_christian_paradise_
Thanks Nabeel for the resource you directed me to. Truly appreciated. May the LORD bless you all in your efforts to contend for the faith.
@Kim. You wrote:
"Muslim women love God, and they don't mind it if their husbands will receive Houris in Paradise."
...and what about muslim men?
Do they not love God also? If yes, I guess they wouldn't mind that Allah would give their wifes 72 male houris for their own pleasure? Right?
Unless that you claim that men do not love God, and therefore only women will have the time to worship Allah, while their males will be busy having sex with their Houris?
Do you know that lots of the suicide bombers in the West spent their last days in sex shops, longing for the "pleasure" to come aftermath?
Is it the best way for a muslim to prepare for the encounter with Allah?
Mahdi:
Is there a problem with Paradise having love and intimacy between men and women? If Paradise/Heaven is supposed to be the epitome of joy and bliss, then why is having intimate realtions out of the question according to Christians?
My response:
There's nothing about having love and intimacy between men and women. But if sex is the primary focus in the Islamic Heaven then that turns it into a carnal whore house. Secondly the reason Heaven is the epitome of Joy and bliss is because our Ultimate joy and bliss comes directly from the Triune God.
Kim said: "We know from Islamic teachings that Allah will make our hearts pure (in paradise)"
Kim said earlier: "Only the people with pure hearts can enter (paradise).."
Which is it? You contradict yourself!!! Why would Allah have to make Muslim's hearts pure if that is the condition required to enter into paradise?
And I hope by "pure-hearted" you don't mean these kind of Pakistani Muslims:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/
The irony is that Pakistan means "land of the pure"! It is a pretending game which you can see a lot in Islam. It is not done with calling oneself pure, pridefully feeling to be pure or enforcing pseudo-purity through harsh rules!
Another thing: I posted 10 questions for you. Have you got the answers?
@Radical Moderate
I just had a laugh of my life reading your posts! Did you write that on your own? It needs to be published!!! It is hilarious.
I hope it would open some people's eyes.
Dear "Radical Moderate"
May God Bless you for making me life as I have never laughed since I saw David's video on "Houris or Rasins".
But I believe that God has used you to reveal further the Satanic truths about Islam.
For those of you who have not read these posts, PLEASE DO YOURSELF A FAVOR and read the satiric comments of Radical Moderate above on the possible scenario if Muhammad's version of heaven is true... LAUGHTER GUARANTEED.
In Christ
Naren
There are Muslim brothers who see nothing wrong in this…
The Bible says so aptly “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks”. In any sense, this is nothing more than the wild sex fantasies of a nymphomaniac. Imagine the embarrassment of going around all the time with eternal erections on one side and a bottle of wine in a hand… does this portray the purity of what heaven is in ANY MANNER? Come on… renewable virginity, does this seem anything other than the fantasy of a desert dwelling, camel riding barbarian !!!
It’s definitely no wonder than that many media and sports personalities are converting to Islam… they are promised that they can continue their same earthly lifestyle in heaven for eternity. Guess they have not read Abu’s testimony… ABOVE….from @RadicalModerate.
As one writer well puts it “If Allah’s heaven is true, what is wrong with this world… isn’t this what our present world system seeping into??”. I would rather be in the heaven as described in the Bible comprising of continual fellowship with my Christ than in Allah’s harem.
I cannot wait for the day when I will be with Jesus as a friend as a brother… walking with him, speaking with Him, laughing with Him, debating with Him, singing to Him, asking him tones of questions and ofcourse giving Him a BIGGGG HUGGGGG… No one can ever describe this as boring. My heart leaps at the thought.
I look forward to being in the eternal company of my true Friend, Philosopher and Guide… MY JESUS.
In Christ.
Bro. David,
I have already compiled the posts of @RadicalModerate above ("Testimony of Abu - A Jihad Martyr") into a document for circulation... That is the funniest thing I have seen after your post on "Houries Or Raisins"
Suggest you to put it on the front page... this is too good... I had sincerely thought of the implications but the same couldn't have been better put down than what was done by Radical Moderate. Makes me revolt at the thought of Allah's heaven...
It is definitely nothing more than a wet dream of a camel riding barbaric nymphomaniac... this is what you would expect to hear him say to ensure the allegiance of his blood thirsty hordes.
David/Nabeel: This makes the work that you do all the more crucial. You will know only in eternity when we meet in heaven as to how the information provided by you was used to get our Lost Muslim brothers and sisters to Christ.
GOD BLESS
In Christ
Naren
Naren
Thanks for the shout out. I don't mind if you copy it for distrabution however for the love of God please correct my spelling lol
Wow...I see my sarcasm above wasnt clear enough. At any rate....Radical Mod......HILARIOUS! True.....but sad at the same time. To think men have entered eternity for such a false promise, only to find God's wrath! Shame on Islamic clerics who teach this nonsense.
Concerning female suicide bombers....does anyone know what sort of paradise they expect?
@Naren and Hazkim1 and Muslims
I believe Naren and Hazkim understood my sarcasm in my little skit "Letters to Jihad Forum" however I feel I should explain a bit to others who did not get it.
Kim and other Muslims who have asked words to the affect of "So there will be sex in heaven what is wrong with that?"
I will be sadly disapointed if there is SEX in heaven.
The reason is that My GOD is so much more then what I can imagine, and the intamacy of being in his presence and in comunion with him will be far greator then SEXUAL intercorse with another one of his creatures.
Bro. @Radical Moderate,
I have corrected all the spelling and grammatical typos, cleaned up the looks and have added a few after thoughts to the document. I am now adding all the Quranic and Hadith quotes to make it more authentic. Can email it to you, it is worth a circulation to all your Muslim friends. I challenge them to prove me wrong since this is a logical follow-through of their proposition.
ALL THOSE WHO WANT THIS COMPILATION, PLEASE WRITE TO ME ON EPHESIANS4.14@GMAIL.COM.
In anycase, only one word I can think of "YUCK"... I am a man and do get quite a few corrupt thoughts but NO WAY I want a follow through in heaven. I would at any cost prefer an eternity in the fellowship of my Christ and my fellow brethren in heaven THAN the sex fest in Allah's brothel.
I have studied quite a few religions but NONE come close to the depravity in Muhammad's heaven. Discussing this with a Muslim friend of mine... his response was "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"... True example of someone brainwashed... Nothing but a lot of prayers can help us in this uphill task.
In Christ
Naren
Mahdi, you wrote:
"Is there a problem with Paradise having love and intimacy between men and women?"
You have a point; especially that this was the case with Adam and Eve. However, the eternal life promissed by Jesus is far more than that. It is the internal explosion of joy in God's unlimited presence and love that will make the sexual act redundant in comparison.
Muslim scholars justify polygamy on Earth by saying that it is to solve the problem of the shortage in men numbers who dies generally in Jihad or wars. What about the countries where the opposite is true because of the selective gender abortion which favours the boys?
And does Allah have an exceeding number of houris, where he have to dedicate 72 of them to each man? I wonder how would a man have any time for Allah, being in permanent erection jumping from one houri to another with his heavenly sexual power duplicated?
Do you call this an act of "love and intimacy"? I rather call it an orgy. You can have it here already on Earth.
Wether here or in Paradise -you can call it what you want, a polygamy is a system designed to please the man. It's all about sex.... not love and intimacy.....
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Hazakim1, you wrote:
"Concerning female suicide bombers....does anyone know what sort of paradise they expect?"
Female suicide bombers such as chechnian "black widows" wish to join their husbands in Paradise, as Allah's promisses. He also promissed to get a husband for unmarried martyr women.
The problem is that in Paradise, they will be the master of the 72 houris dedicated to their husbands.
One imam said that there is no other joy for a woman than to see her man happy!
It may sound a curse, but it is still better than what awaits them if they do not satisfy their husbands on Earth: In hell, they will be hung in fire for eternity from their tongues, from their boobs, from their hairs, etc.
You make the maths!
@Search For Truth
Was it you who wrote that you had all yoru sources saved in bookmarks and cross referenced.
I'm wodnering if you can share your book marks with us.
If it wasnt you then does anyone remember who that person was?
MISTRANSLATION ALERT
I am from India and Hindi is my mother tongue... the language this ass is speaking in is Hindi...
KNOCK KNOCK KIM!!!! KIM ALERT !!!
In the first sentence as per the translation at 0:16, the translation shows "You Muslims throw away your heart on rotten decaying women"... THE ACTUAL TRANSLATION IS "YOU MUSLIMS THROW AWAY YOUR HEART ON ROTTEN DECAYING WIVES"....
Kim, if you are a man, this sentence is for your mother/wife/sister/daughter and if you are a woman, this sentence is for your mother/wife/sister/daughter... Hey, don't kill the messenger, this is your own Maulana quoting from the Glorious (sic) Quran.
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