Saturday, September 19, 2009

Child Bride Dies in Labor

When a girl hasn't gone through puberty, her hips often haven't widened for giving birth. Such girls can easily die in labor, along with their babies. This is why girls who haven't completed puberty shouldn't be having sex. Unfortunately, Muslims are commanded to follow the example of Muhammad, who had sex with the prepubescent Aisha when she was only nine years old. The Qur'an also allows men to have sex with prepubescent girls (see Surah 65:4 and Muslim commentaries on the verse).

Notice that the reporter attributes the problem to "cultural" practices rather than to Muhammad.

18 comments:

Bartimaeus said...

Thank you puttting this one up Savid. I also have put this one on my nlog as well. People need to see exactly how women are viewed in Islamic countries. Muslims want to ignore these stories and tell us it folk Islam or culture. Consider Mohammed took Aishah as a wife when she was six and consumated the marraige when she was nine show that is is a common practice in Islamic countries. Afghanistan is another example of child brides. Pakistan woman are beaten for rejecting a man's advances.

One person observed that the world's largest women's prison is Islam

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey all,

I know that the Muslims here deny that Muhammad was a pedophile and I’m not qualified to dispute their claim. So I won't.

However, as the woman anchor in the clip pointed out the vast age differences between these men and their “brides” is also very disturbing. Is such a thing encouraged in Islam?

Even if we grant that the marriage between Muhammad was not consummated till she reached puberty his actions were still morally reprehensible. To emulate him in this today would be perverse IMHO.

Ive yet to get an answer to my questions about this issue so I will ask them again.

1)Suppose it was undisputed that Mohammad was a pedophile would that make pedophilia acceptable in Muslim eyes?

2)Would such a thing (that Muhammad was a pedophile)make you question his claim to be a prophet?

3)would it matter if it were shown that pedophilia was not frowned upon at the time?

Now looking at this from another angle


1)Suppose Ehteshaam Gulam is correct and Mohammad only married a prepubescent girl in his old age but waited until she reached puberty before he knew her (in the biblical sense) would that make this practice acceptable for a Muslim today?

2)If I find such a practice (an old man marring a innocent prepubescent girl) to be immoral (and I do), would I be justified in denying Mohammad’s claims to a prophet?

3)Should it make a difference if such a practice was common at that time?

I’m STILL trying to understand where you guys are coming from.

I'm not trying to score debating points

Thanks in advance

peace

The Fat Man said...

I can just hear the Muslim response.

"the real problem is that she wasnt able to get modern medical treatment for two days."

The reporter said these girls are known as "DEATH BRIDES" in Yemin. So the muslims know about the danger, the risk and what it does to a girl who has not comopleted puberty. They know and they do nothing, they don't care.

But allah is so merciful because these girls will be allowed into Jenna because they died in childbirht. I guess this is the muslim way of saving souls.

Also notice the girl can be maried at 11, or 12. But 17 year Rifqa Berry is not old enough to choose her relegion.

The Fat Man said...

Fifth Monarchy Man...

I for one dont think that Mohamed was a pedaphile. He could of been, but if he was there would of been more documented instances of him marying more then one victim.

And for the muslism even if Aisha had reached puberty, there are many levels of pedaphila. Some like prebubesent boys and girls. Some like 4 to 5 year olds, in this age range the sex of the victim doesnt matter to these animals. Others like sertin boys and girls at various stages of the tanner scale. So even if Mohamed had a thing for tanner stage one girls that would still make him a pedaphile. But like i said I dont think he was.

I think that Mohamed was just a sex addict. Like any addicted the way in which the drug is delevered doesnt matter as much as the drug itself.

Smoke it, snort it, inject it, eat it. In the end the drug gets into the system. The same with Mohamed, age, race, social status, wether they were still breathing, or even human really didnt matter to mohamed.

Even when Mohamed suffered from imputancy he still had to make up a story about being bewitched to account for his lack to perfrom. In other words he still thought about it, still craved it, but just couldnt have it.

Secondly I dont have a problem from a historical or cultural point of view when it comes to Mohamed having sex with Aisha. This seems to be a common social norm and pracitce in 7th century Arabia. All the cool kids and prophets where doing it.

The problem that I have is that Mohamed froze this 7th Centruy arab custom in time. He made it lawful for any culture, in any time to mary children. And that is Mohameds true crime.

The Fat Man said...

This link isnt veted. I only post it to see if anyone can get a more reliable source.

Hamas sponsored a mass wedding for four hundred and fifty couples. Most of the grooms were in their mid to late twenties; most of brides were under ten.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2310732/posts

ubiquitouserendipity said...

i consider myself an empathetic person. i have worked diligently to refine my skills at engaging people in crisis, embracing their pain, comforting and assisting them at finding resolutions. i cannot wrap my head around this thing they do,,, marrying and having sex with little girls. i've stated enough times here what i feel needs to be done with all pedophiles, so let's go to the videos.

the following wedding took place in july,,, right after caliph obamallah gifted hamas with their jizya,,, er, uh, welfare checks. everybody got a new suit and a child bride,,, whatta' country that,,, oh, gaza isn't a country, it is occupied israel. here's the vid of the proud pedophiles, and check out the promenade at 4:08 on. these people are disgusting,,, and true representatives of their beliefs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL8ozDosTsQ

here's another short clip of the proud followers of mohammed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYmtaXQHEtw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

oh moslum,,, can you not see that what you follow, what you seek to emulate, is disgusting and perverse? can you not see that your religion teaches you to dehumanize and degrade women, young girls, and little girls? can you not see that this dishonors you? there is no honor in following mohammed and his cosmic bell-boy allah.

may the G_d of love and light transform your hearts, and enlighten you spirits with His Holy Spirit. in Jesus' precious name, to the glory of G_d the Father, amen

Yahya Snow said...

The issue of surah 65:4 is discussed here:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Does%20the%20Quran%20allow%20Sex%20with%20immature%20girls%3F

As a note to the author of this thread:
You lack sincerity as you just used the death of a young girl for your own twisted agenda. Sad. Yet you claim to have a god inside you. This reflects poorly on your faith and your 'god'.

May Allah give the girl paradise and may Allah make it easier for her family who are left behind.
It is Eid today, I was intending to wish people a happy Eid but the mood has been somewhat spoiled.

The Fat Man said...

Yahya Snow said...

"As a note to the author of this thread:
You lack sincerity as you just used the death of a young girl for your own twisted agenda. Sad. Yet you claim to have a god inside you. This reflects poorly on your faith and your 'god'."

This is almost to easy. I mean its not like the muslims on this blog havent been told over and over again. No matter how much they are told they just can't help themsleves.

A young girl, not woman, dies in childbirth. This young girl is a muslima and was married to a older man. Is there any condemnation of this practiced carried out in Islamic Countires. NO the only thing that is condemed is David Wood for bringing another one of Islams dirty little secrets into the open. Amazing, simplly amazing.

Yahya Snow also said....
"It is Eid today, I was intending to wish people a happy Eid but the mood has been somewhat spoiled."

Well Yahya I'm sorry if exposing Islams dirty little secret spoils your appatite. What a relegion you have. I believe it was Lennen who said "Relegion is the opiate of the masses". Well if thats true then Islam is PCP, Crystal Meth, and Crack all rolled up into one.

So Yahya take another hit off of the pipe, and it will all just fade away.

DMartyr said...

Ref: Yahya Snow's comment above

I cant help noticing how exposing the link between this poor child's death and islam appears to have spoiled Yahya's Eid, yet the too common practice of modern child marriage under islam is not a concern.

Yahya demonstrates the modern muslim mentality that insulting islam (or muhammad) is a much worse offense than the abuse and slaughter of innocent children.

It brings new meaning to the verse 2:191 in the quran:

"And slay [unbelievers] wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter."

per·se·cute /--p?rs??kyut/ [pur-si-kyoot]
–verb (used with object), -cut·ed, -cut·ing.

-- to annoy or trouble persistently.

Fernando said...

Hi Yahya Snow...

ehre are just some threads in this blogg where it was dealt surah sura 65:4

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/01/response-to-javier-on-child-brides.html

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/08/isna-2009-brittany-converts-to-islam.html

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/09/ehteshaam-gulam-proclaims-muhammads.html

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/06/fot-foundation.html

in some of them many people, including debating withe you, showed why your statemensta re false...

may the true God forgibe those wgo follow some barbaric elements tahtre are in some cultures due to islam...

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Yajah,





I read your link and to say the least I am shocked. You seem to be saying it is perfectly fine for an old man to marry a pre-pubescent girl today as long as they don’t consummate until she reaches puberty (somewhere between 8 and 14) is this correct?

In your link you said:

An allegation by Islamophobes on the internet; they claim the Quran allows sex with pre-pubescent girls, this is a hateful and bigoted allegation that has no other intention but to demonize Muslims.


I say:

This video is not about pedophilia it’s about young girls having babies. I could grant your argument completely and it would not make any difference this girl still would still be dead

You say:

I am a student of comparative religion and it astounds me that anybody can make such sullying claims against any religion, through study you realise that all religions teach good basic morals and encourage good and just actions.

I say:

I would like to compare Islamic morality with Christianity in order to do that I need to get a good understanding of where you are coming from morally speaking. That is why I asked my questions. Please answer them.




You say:


They allege that this verse means that Muslims can have sex with pre-pubescent girls (paedophilia) as Muslims are allowed to conduct marriages between immature girls and men.

I say:


I want to be completely sure I understand you .

It is OK for an old man today to marry a prepubescent girl as long as the marriage is not consummated until she is pubescent? Is this good basic morals in your view? Is it behavior to be encouraged?

Are you saying that the practice that resulted in the death shown in the video is morally acceptable?

The girl in the video was pubescent, after all she could not have conceived if she was not.

If I disagree (and I do strongly) am I justified in calling Islam immoral and evil? If not why not?

It is just morally wrong for a for a 9 to 13 year old girl to be married and having babies I would hope we could agree on that.


peace

Fernando said...

Dear Yahya Snow... you saide: «I am a student of comparative religion»... coulde you sai which religions do you study? This woulde be great... thanks...

Nakdimon said...

Fifth Monarchy Man, you raised some interesting points that Muslims need to answer. I would add a question of my own:

Since the Quran tells Muslims to emulate their prophet, will Muslims marry and have sex with 11 year old girls that already happen to have their menses?

Or will they be so conforming to Muhammad's demeanor to give up their own daughters up for marriage at the age of 11 to have sex with adult men?

If not, then why not? If so, then why?

Nakdimon

ubiquitouserendipity said...

Yahya Snow said...

deleted text...

You lack sincerity as you just used the death of a young girl for your own twisted agenda. Sad. Yet you claim to have a god inside you. This reflects poorly on your faith and your 'god'.

May Allah give the girl paradise and may Allah make it easier for her family who are left behind.
It is Eid today, I was intending to wish people a happy Eid but the mood has been somewhat spoiled.

ubiquitouserendipity says: refer to bolded text above re:

1. hello pot

2. all allah can give anyone is an eternal heat rash. mohammed's cosmic bell-boy isn't capable of hearing you, he's busy devising ways and means to keep you ignorant of truth and love,,, silly goat.

3. keep your "wishes" to yourself. we serve the One True and Living G_d,,, why should we care about some pagan's celebration of their moon-god worship? eh???

gosh i am so sick of these phony religionists who follow a man, and couple that man with a supposed god, in violation of their own stated beliefs about shirk. the mohammedan trinity of worship: a putrid man (mohammed), a rock which you all desire to kiss and wobble around, and a book of 7th despicable pagan arabian poetry. you poor souls are so blinded by your hatred for G_d that you call bad good, love you call hate, and satan (allah) you call god.

Peace, in His love, papajoe

Adam said...

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Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Guys

I understand that our resident Muslims are not happy with the recent posts on this site and I agree that they have not been very pleasant as of late.

I would hope that we could discuss the differences between our faiths with out talking about porn or child brides or domestic violence or killing apostates.

I would like to offer a chance to forever move the discussion beyond such things. All we have to do is establish for certin that you guys find these kinds of thing to be morally reprehensible. To do that it’s important to establish the method that you use to formulate your ethics.

As of right now I really don’t know on what basis you decide if something is right or wrong. I don’t know if you consider the things that have been posted in the last few days to be wrong or not and why you would do so.

It would be really helpful to me if you would answer my questions.

If you continue to ignore them I will have to assume that you are ashamed of your answers.


Thanks in advance

peace

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Guys

I understand that our resident Muslims are not happy with the recent posts on this site and I agree that they have not been very pleasant as of late.

I would hope that we could discuss the differences between our faiths with out talking about porn or child brides or domestic violence or killing apostates.

I would like to offer a chance to forever move the discussion beyond such things. All we have to do is establish for certin that you guys find these kinds of thing to be morally reprehensible. To do that it’s important to establish the method that you use to formulate your ethics.

As of right now I really don’t know on what basis you decide if something is right or wrong. I don’t know if you consider the things that have been posted in the last few days to be wrong or not and why you would do so.

It would be really helpful to me if you would answer my questions.

If you continue to ignore them I will have to assume that you are ashamed of your answers.


Thanks in advance

peace

mkvine said...

I wonder what doth Bassam sayeth?