Osama Abdallah has one of the largest Islamic websites on the net (Answering Christianity), and he's been involved in apologetics for a long time, so I was pleased when he challenged me to debate him on the prophethood of Muhammad. While Osama has upset a lot of people with some of the offensive material on his website, he was quite easy to get along with in person. I look forward to another debate with him. I have to say, however, that I think it was a mistake for him to request 50-minute opening statements. I know he wanted the time to lay out his arguments carefully. The problem is that it also gave me plenty of time to refute his arguments. I'll say this to Muslim apologists everywhere: A Muslim argument will only work in a debate if the Christian simply doesn't have adequate time to respond. Hence, giving a Christian a 50-minute opening statement and a 30-minute rebuttal is a recipe for disaster (for Islam). For those interested in the Argument from Scientific Accuracy, Osama and I discussed science quite a bit in this debate. My camera didn't catch his slides, but those who are interested can visit his site to see the images he refers to. [Note: For those who are already familiar with my arguments against Islam, you may want to fast-forward through about half of my opening statement. The arguments I used were virtually identical to the arguments I used in my debate with Bassam, but I soon focused on other issues.]
OSAMA'S OPENING STATEMENT
DAVID'S OPENING STATEMENT
OSAMA'S FIRST REBUTTAL
DAVID'S FIRST REBUTTAL
SECOND REBUTTALS, Q&A, CONCLUSIONS
For those interested in further responses to Osama Abdallah, see the articles here and listen to his debate with Sam Shamoun here.
36 comments:
David is there anyway you can transfer this debate to youtube or google video, motionbox just doesn't work properly for me.
I agree with DK. Can you please upload it to Google. Motionbox does not let me download it to IPOD. So I can't listen to it while I exercise or while I'm at work.
Couldn't get any sound... neither is this last debate, neither (what never happened before) in the previous (which I eard without any problem before...). What might be?
not to worry people, my guy on youtube will transfer these to youtube.
but anyways, i dont think anyone should everrrrrrr debate in this format, 2 opening 50 minute presentations is too long, and put that with 2 30 minute rebuttals! thats simply watching 2 lectures, not a debate. most people wont even be able to follow along, or remember what was said, by minute 43 of someones presentation no one knows what happened in minute 17 and so on.
the best format type is the one me and Wood did for our 3 debates.
I'm uploading the debates to Google, but it will take a couple of hours. (I agree with Sami about the format.)
David
Your last response is taht you were up loading the video's to google. That was over 24 hours ago. Any word on when that is going to be done.
I have problems uploading onto Google, which is why I prefer Motionbox. I've uploaded everything multiple times, but some parts keep coming up goofy. The first two parts are working, though, so I'll post those.
It is a aimless case i suppose
you are christian and whatever osama do you will not be muslim
osama is muslim and whatever you do he will not be chris.
If you believe your own words saying about islam i think it is your problem not osama's
you didn't and won't read quran
i very sure you had doubts about your religion
it is just your pride
i hope allah mercies you
I find it interesting that on the majority of challenging points Osama did not answer the question, did not give any reason or facts to back up. He only answers with either a question back or a slander against David or Christianity or the Bible. I've seen this alot with Muslims. When they have no answer they attack and slander and expect us to believe and follow this!
Mr. David Wood will be refuted in AUDIOS and Text, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing), very soon at:
www.answering-muslims.com/david_wood_rebuttals.htm
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Islam is the Truth. It is the true religion of Peace and Justice.
David, can you quote 1 verse of the Holy Qur'an or 1 Hadith at a time, so we can discuss it (for now stick to the 6 authentic Hadith and not to others)?
Why were the videos removed from this page?
No videos? What happened?
The videos of this debate can be found at:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/search/label/Osama%20Abdallah
Thanks,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Another location for the videos of this debate are located at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1188425590730949080&hl=en
Thanks,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
All,
I've debated David Wood on the Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran, and the debate can be downloaded in full at:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_miracles_debate_osama_abdallah_vs_david_wood.wmv
I did much better in this debate than in my previous ones. Lack of debate-experience and skills was a factor.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
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Question tot Osama:
Is there something in the quran that cannot be madeup by satan?
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Question to Osama:
Muslims always claim the quran is full of miracles, what i doubt.
But can you give me one miracle in the qoran that cannot be madeup by satan?
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I dont get how all of you Christians can believe in the Bible so much even though it gets changed almost constantly, the Quran has never been changed once ever since it was sent from Allah, and yet if you look at the kinds of things that are going on in the present time, the Quran has already foretold it over hundreds of years ago. You people should look more into the signs of the day of judgement in Islam that the Quran has foretold (Which you can compare to the present) and try to read and understand the quran instead of criticizing when most of you havent understood its meaning correctly, and also there is proof of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH), it is his very grave, which lies in Madinah.
I guess my curiosity is being aroused regarding Quran 19:19, in which Jesus is called pure, and my Quran footnotes say this means without sin.
But Mr Abdallah has said twice on this debate, and then in another one I was listening to, that Jesus was a hypocrite because he only prostated himself once, when he was "desperate"
How does that agree with Quaran 19:19. Maybe this is going to be addressed. I haven't heard the entire debate yet.
I just watched the entire debate and the things that stick out to me are Osama's hatred of adopted children, his comment about our morale-less society "women in bikinis", and how after Mr Wood started hammering away Mohammad, Osama's demeanor changed, he started talking faster and louder. I think he needs to go back to "deceiver school" and work on his deliver
Wali said......
the Quran has never been changed once ever since it was sent from Allah.
You couldn't be more wrong pal. The Quran hasn't been perfectly preserved. Uthman burned all the manuscripts of the Quran. He did this so that no one would know about the differences in other Qurans. He also made Zaid ibn Thabit's Quran (the one with a 114 chapters) the official Quran. A Quran which Abdullah ibn Masud (one of the experts of the Quran picked by Muhammad) said was a deception. So Wali, you have a big problem on your hands!!!!!!
you said:
I dont get how all of you Christians can believe in the Bible so much even though it gets changed almost constantly
I say:
Show me your evidence. When? Where? Who and What? I won't believe you until then.
We have over 24,000 manuscripts saying what I find written in the Bible.
Just take a quick look on the site of osama. My conclusion? This guy is really insane.
i dont understand muslims saying that Quran is never changed and all the previous messages got corrupted..
It says in the Quran that "We have sent the Quran and we have guarded it"indirectly he is saying the author of the previous scriptures(Bible) was sent by yahweh and he did not take care,and this one Book(Quran) i sent and guarded it.but you need to remember Yahweh did not give us this impression that all the scriptures will be corrupted.instead he said my Words will stand for Ever,and even Jesus said the same.Surprisingly all the 66 books written by 40 prophets of God at different times,different places but yet only one message.This is the Miracle of Miracles.Not Quran.
U people christians will never change 'cos of the hypocritical style in you all,,,Ur holy book has been heavily corrupted and you knw it and if you dont fools like david wood knows and thats why he keep posting letters on here to Hell Fire in heaven that they shld await his coming soon,,,,bye
Hi, David. Nice debate, though I see it took place a long time ago.
Might I suggest a scientific argument with a different twist concerning the prophethood of Mohammed? As far as I know no one has brought this up. Cervical cancer is a major killer of women, and today we know that this disease is nearly always caused by the human papillomavirus. The human papillomavirus can cause other maladies as well, and it is transmitted from person to person through sexual intercourse. The risk of being infected by it is greatly increased when the woman has multiple sex partners, or if her sex partner himself has multiple sex partners.
I would like a Moslem to explain to me how the Quranic allowance for a man to have four wives can be inspired by God. Does Allah promote high-risk behavior which can bring and in fact has brought great pain and misery to women? (There is a fairly high incidence of cervical cancer in Morocco, for example. I wonder why that is.) Or is this just one of Mohammed’s ideas? Since he claims to be speaking for God, then his ignorance of modern science is no excuse. Either Mohammed is a false prophet or he is the prophet of a sadistic God.
Excuse me. That last word in my previous comment should read "god," not "God."
I don't trust the god of Islam. I agree with Mosab Yousef 100% that their god is the greatest terrorist. His followers perform abominations which Jesus clearly indicated that people doing those acts cannot enter Heaven which is the kingdom of God. They sanction evil acts that make me puke: pedophilia, polygamy, suicide bombing, honor killing, barbarism, calling for jihad for people who don't accept Islam once they have the upper hand, taqiya and all forms deceiving people, robbing people of their land, country and many more. Read the Bible and you can see the evil acts that the True God prohibits. The authentic God put it in his 10 commandments, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal. Polygamy guys is the most abominable type of adultery. It is lust pure and simple. No wonder why the Islamists are expert in lying and deceiving because their father Satan is the greatest deceiver and the most proud one. He is constantly bragging and competing with God. Read the book "JOB" in the Holy Bible. May all Muslims realize that following Mohammad's way will put them all to Hell where Satan is the ruler. He is the most cruel master. If you die in your sleep tonight and continue on doing what Mohammad did, you will finally meet the man some of you Muslims even want to die for by doing Jihad that we Christians are correct because you will see Mohammad in Hell.
Muslims, I hope and pray you will be honest to open your eyes to accept the truth the Lord of Lords who humbled Himself to share in our humanity. He came to the world to destroy the work Satan by tempting Eve that's why all humanity will die in this planet Earth. After Jesus resurrection, everybody who accepted Him by obeying all He taught will be given the Eternal Life in Heaven with Him. He was begotten not made unlike all of us. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. I will pray for you Muslims to open to the Truth who will set you free from Allah (Satan).
Sadiq said :
"U people christians will never change 'cos of the hypocritical style in you all,,,Ur holy book has been heavily corrupted and you knw it and if you dont fools like david wood knows and thats why he keep posting letters on here to Hell Fire in heaven that they shld await his coming soon,,,,bye"
At least tell us the christians which chapter and verse were corrupted ? And maybe our scholar could check it out that to the early manuscript...
If you could not show the evidence to back up your arguments then i might say that you make a false accusation.
By the way according qur'an itself that no man can change the word of God, so if you say that bible heavily corrupted it mean you just condemn your own prophet n allah because they said otherwise. On contrary then if the bible is true then we as christians also must reject muhammad n islam because the teaching is contradict with Lord Jesus teaching.
So does this mean muslim face a dilema in their hands ? I hope this would stimulate muslim to go deeper in search the truth what is in qur'an n also what is in bible without any prejudice.
Hey I luv david & his team at abn, you are doing a excellent service to the ministry of christ & exposing the evils of islam & the evil deeds of mohd. if a man of 50 plus can lust for a 6yr old using his gods word to back up, marry his sons wife, promote adultery, murders, slavery you can makeout his roots from his fruits. Has a mother stoned to death, women legs tied to camels & torn apart,promotes 3 days contract marriage & receiving messages from satan. This satans prophet was killed by his allah by the cutting of his aeorta, as per slisha.
Thanks to David, he was too good in debates. How can any1 call a person who kills, steals, marries 6yrs old, teaches his followers to murder & commit adultery & murder captured women, to have contract marriage for 3 days like promoting prostitution, marries his sons wife, takes a jewish woman whose husband, father & brother have been murdered by him as his wife, & the same woman gives him poisoned snack which his companion eats but dies thinking that the prophet would save him, but dies, the false prophet dies after 3 yrs punished by his allah/ or killed by allah as per Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used tosay, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar,and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 714
David Wood your my Hero with Qureshi. God has blessed you with great wisdom to preach to the many millions of lost muslims. Keep the gd work
The measure of a "true" prophet is how "accurate" their prophesies are. Did Mohamed reveal prophesies? Yes, in many canonical Hadiths he did. Since Mohamed would have to be the best source to interpret the Quran, then he should know, as a "prophet" what will be to come. Let's see some of those "prophesies". Let's see what he revealed.
Islamic traditions have Mohamed predicting that the end was to come within the lifetime of his followers;
Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 7050: is a similar Hadith to the following below;
Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 7051: Anas reported that a person asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as to when the Last Hour would come. He had in his presence a young boy of the Ansar who was called Mohamed. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If this young boy lives, he may not grow very old till (he would see) the Last Hour coming to you.
Sahih Moslem, Book 41, Number 7052: is also similar to the above narration.
Mohamed clearly said that the young boy wouldn't have grown very old before the Last Hour came upon the people. Now let us be generous and the Last Hour was to take place a hundred years after Mohamed made these statements. Yet, centuries have passed and the Last Hour still hasn't come upon us.
But wait, there's more! According to the narratives of Imam al-Bukhari, Mohamed announced that everyone would be dead within a hundred years:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 116: is similar to the below;
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 10, Number 539: Narrated Abdullah: "One night Allah's Apostle led us in the 'Isha' prayer and that is the one called Al-'Atma by the people. After the completion of the prayer, he faced us and said, ‘Do you know the importance of this night? Nobody present on the surface of the earth tonight will be living after one hundred years from this night.’" (See Hadith No. 575).
Mohamed allegedly claimed that the Antichrist (Dajjal) was to appear shortly after the Moslem conquest of Constantinople. The following traditions are taken from the Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 37, Number 4281: Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).
Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 37, Number 4282: Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: This hadith is very similar to the one below;
Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 37, Number 4283: Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.
Moslems conquered Jerusalem in 636 AD. Constantinople was taken over by Moslems in the May of 1453 AD. Yet the prophecy regarding Yathrib (Medina) being in ruins and Antichrist's advent to take place seven months after the conquest of Constantinople did not materialize. Based on the preceding traditions, the Dajjal was to appear in November 1453.
So using ISLAMS OWN SOURCES, we can easily determine that Mohamed was A FALSE PROPHET. If Islams false prophet makes, well, false prophesies, then by all accounts he ALWAYS was a false prophet. His revelations, including what came from his mouth which revealed the Quran, many times "conveniently" to approve of his own immoral behavior, prove his word can NOT be trusted. Islams corruption and evil needs to be exposed so the truth can set its slaves free from its evil.
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