Wednesday, December 9, 2015

Does the Bible Predict the Coming of Muhammad?

Muslims have made the claim for a long time that the coming of Muhammad is prophesied in the Bible namely the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament), and the Christian Scriptures (New Testament). Why do Muslims make this claim?
 The claim rests on the assertion in the Qur’an that Muhammad’s coming is described in the Scriptures of the ahl al-kitab, i.e., the People of the Book, a title given to Jews and Christians. It states, “Those who followed the Apostle the unlettered Prophet [Muhammad], whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel” (Qur’an 7:157). The Law and the Gospel refer of course to the Jewish and Christian Scriptures respectively. An inconsistency emerges at this point when the Bible is brought into the discussion by Islam. Many Muslims charge that the Bible is:



1)  Corrupted and unreliable.

2)  Some parts of it are true.

3)  Some parts of it are false.



If (1) is true, then the argument that Muhammad is predicted in the Bible is moot and irrelevant because the Bible cannot be trusted. Both (2) and (3) essentially amount to saying the same thing and most Muslims opt for either (2) or (3). The reason for doing so however is not based on any consistent criterion but rather an ad hoc approach, it is contrived from the beginning. How do Muslims argue what parts of the Bible are true and reliable and which ones are not? They do so by using the Qur’an as their reference guide. When the Bible agrees with the Qur’an, it is right, when it does not, it is flat out in error. This is the exact same methodology that cults use in judging the Bible, if it does not conform with their “new” revelation or scripture, it is in error. The same methodology is employed by Islam in its treatment of the Bible.



In order for the Muslim to claim that the Bible predicts Muhammad’s coming he/she must hold to point (2) above. The three main passages that are quoted to support the claim Muhammad is predicted in the Bible are:



1)  Deuteronomy 18:18-19

2)  Song of Solomon 5:16

3)  John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7

We will examine each of these passages and see whether or not they substantiate the Muslim claim.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 (NIV)

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account."

Muslims reason that that Muhammad is “the prophet” spoken of here and argue that the expression “their brothers” refers to the Ishmaelites who were half-brothers of the Israelites by virtue of the fact that they were both descended from Abraham. The reason Muslims point this out is because Ishmael was also a son of Abraham and thus a half-brother of Isaac, the forefather of the Jewish nation. Ishmael, it is argued is the father of the Arab nation, and since Muhammad was an Arab, he would be a descendant of Ishmael, and hence relationally, a Semitic "brother" to the Jews. We point out however that if the Ishmaelites or descendants of Ishamel are “brothers” of the Israelites, why could not the Edomites also be their “brothers” spoken of here? The Edomites were descended from Esau (Genesis 36:9), who was the brother of Jacob from the same father Isaac making Esau a full brother.

Furthermore, Esau was a direct grandson of Abraham (Genesis 25:19, 24-26). If this is the case, would not the Edomites better qualify as full “brothers” of Israel rather than the Ishmaelites who were half-brothers? 

It is the immediate context however that concerns us here. From the context of the passage and that which precedes it, it is clear that the term “their brothers” is a reference to the Israelites exclusively and no one else. Note Deuteronomy 18:1-2: “The priests who are Levites-indeed the whole tribe of Levi-are to have no allotment or inheritance with Israel…They [the Levites] shall have no inheritance among their brothers…”It is clear from these verses that the “they” refers to the Levites and that “their brothers” refers to the remaining eleven tribes of Israel. In the preceding chapter, Deuteronomy 17:15, this point is further made crystal clear: “…be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite.”

One need only read the lists of the kings who ruled over the Israelites in the books of 1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings and 1&2 Chronicles to verify the fact that they were all Israelites. Throughout the Old Testament, one finds the expression “their brothers” referring to the tribes of Israel (see Judges 20:13; 2 Samuel 2:26; 2 Kings 23:9; Nehemiah 5:1). Who then is this prophet like Moses? Jews and Christians have consistently recognized this passage as referring to a prophet who would arise out of the people of Israel. The Bible which contains this prophecy of the coming prophet also provides us with the fulfillment of this prophecy. The New Testament reveals that this prophet is Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah. Jesus came from the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Judah, and therefore was one of “their brothers”, the Israelites (John 4:9, 20-22; Romans 9:4-5; Hebrews 7:14).

Jesus claimed to be the One whom Moses prophesied. Jesus Himself said, “If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me” (John 5:46). In fact, Jesus’ first disciples believed Him to be the “…one whom Moses wrote about in the Law…”(John 1:45). After Jesus sent the apostles to preach the Gospel to the world, the apostle Peter appealed specifically to Deuteronomy 18:18 as a prophecy which was fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah (Acts 3:19-26). Even Stephen, the first Christian martyr, when he stood before the Sanhedrin, also quoted Deuteronomy 18:18 as fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah, because Moses was one who also “predicted the coming of the Righteous One”(Acts 7:37, 52). The prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18-19 cannot be Muhammad, contextually, culturally or historically. He was not a Jew and not a member of any tribe within Israel as Jesus was. This prophet is Jesus Himself as the people of His day testified,“Surely this man is the Prophet” (John 7:40). Not only did the disciples of Jesus affirm this fact, so did Jesus (Luke 24:44).

Song of Solomon 5:16

If there was ever a text that has been so brutally contorted beyond the limits it is Song of Solomon 5:16. The unsound reasoning in the Muslim interpretation of this text is an example of the phonetic fallacy, confusing the sound of one word for another and assuming they are the same. If I were to say the word “sun” and “son”, even though they both sound the same, they are by no means the same by definition and context.

Song of Solomon 5:16 reads,“His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my lover, this my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”Muslims point out that the phrase “altogether lovely” in Hebrew is the word machmadim. This Hebrew word machmadim is a third person masculine plural noun and it comes from the root word machmad. They argue that the Hebrew word machmad actually refers to Muhammad! The first problem with this line of reasoning is that the word machmad is not a proper name like John, Tom, or even Muhammad. It rather functions in this case as an adjective even though it is a noun. The reason for this is that this word appears in an adjectival clause describing in the context of the Song of Solomon the love and desire that the woman feels for her husband.

The Song of Solomon is a poetic love poem addressing the delights of marital love between a husband and his wife. The context is explicitly clear on this point. The word machmad means “desirable”, “precious thing”, “pleasant thing” and its plural form machmadim in Song of Solomon 5:16 is grammatically intended to heighten the sense of the word. Hebrew scholars refer to this as the ‘plural of intensity’. In other words, this passage has to do with the description of the lover in the poem as being “altogether lovely” or “very desirable”. Muslims in this case engage in a form of eisegesis where they read into the text a foreign concept that was never part of the context. 

Another problem and inconsistency with the Muslim concept that Muhammad is referred to in Song of Solomon 5:16 is the passage in Song of Solomon 5:1 where the husband or lover speaks the following words, “I have eaten my honeycomb and my honey; I have drunk my wine…”. The problem here is the fact that the drinking of wine is strictly forbidden in Islam, “O you who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divine arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside that you may succeed” (Qur’an 5:90). The idea that Muhammad would consume wine as a prophet would be inconceivable. However, drinking wine in Hebrew culture was wholly acceptable. What is surprising from an Islamic point of view, is that while wine is forbidden here on earth, it will be permitted in abundance in paradise, “A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted ... and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers" (Qur’an 47:15). All of these points considered, grammatical, cultural, and historical militate against the inconsistent view that Muslims impose on this text. This text says nothing about Muhammad at all.

John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7

The other principal passage that Muslims appeal to is from the Gospel of John. What is ironic is that the Gospel of John which so forcefully advocates the Deity of Christ and amplifies the identity of Jesus as Son of God is also one of the main texts that receive the most scathing attack from Muslims. Here again the inconsistent methodology used by Muslims becomes apparent. Where they feel the gospel of John can be used to support the Qur’an, it is right, where it does not, it is wrong. In short, the reader will note that there is no concern for the biblical texts themselves or whether they can stand on their own merit. They are arbitrarily and selectively used by Muslims to suit the Qur’an. This would be the same as Christians using the Qur’an to prove the Bible whenever it agrees with it and rejecting when it does not. Our Muslim friends would be quick to charge us with inconsistency here and yet this futile exercise is always practiced in Islamic dialogues with Christians. It should always be remembered that an inconsistent methodology and argument, are always signs of a failed argument because in the end they are contrived.

Turning to the gospel of John let us examine a few passages:

“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.”   (John 14:16-17)

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.” (John 14:26)
                                    
"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."   (John 15:26)
                                   
“But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.”   (John 16:7)

The word “Counselor” in these passages comes from the Greek word“parakletos”and literally means “called to one’s side”. Thus one who is called to one’s side provides counsel, comfort, aid, help, etc and thus this word has also been translated as “Comforter”, “Helper”, “Intercessor”, and “Advocate” in other Bible translations, but they all convey the same idea. What is interesting is the Muslim claim that the “Counselor” or “Comforter” in these passages in John’s gospel is really in fact Muhammad. Moreover, they make the claim that the original Greek word here is not “parakletos” but “periklutos” which means the “praised one”, and is the equivalent of the Arabic name Ahmad, which Muslims claim is the short form of the name Muhammad. In the Qur’an it is stated that Jesus predicted the coming of “Ahmad” (Qur’an 61:6) whom Muslims say is Muhammad. Since Jesus predicted Muhammad’s coming, Muslims allege that the record of that prediction is found in John 14-16.

Again this is the selective methodology that we see in Muslim apologetics. The Bible is corrupted, except when they can use it to buttress Islam. The major problem with this approach is that all of the Greek manuscripts we have of John’s gospel ALL contain the word“parakletos”, which as we saw means “Counselor” or “Comforter” and never “periklutos”. We have over 5700 Greek manuscripts. Of the many that we possess, not one of them differs on this reading in John 14-16. Scores of these ancient manuscripts predate Islam. It should also be remembered that “parakletos” is a noun whereas “periklutos” is an adjective, thus grammatically they are different words altogether. The Comforter Jesus spoke of is not a human being, but as the text identifies is rather the Holy Spirit. “Counselor”, “Holy Spirit” and “Spirit of truth” are interchangeable terms speaking of the same Person. 

The fact that Jesus uses the masculine gender “he” and “his” doesn’t infer He is speaking of a human being. God is also spoken of in the Bible and Qur’an in the masculine gender, and yet God is Spirit (John 4:24). Similarly Jesus speaks of the Counselor as a Spirit, not as a man. The text logically bears this out.  The irony in the Muslim use of John 14-16 is that these chapters are heavily Trinitarian in nature. They speak of the economical Trinity and how the Persons of the Godhead function. For instance, the Father sends the Holy Spirit in the name of the Son (John 14:26). The Son also sends the Holy Spirit from the Father (John 15:26). Let us examine what Jesus said about the Counselor/Comforter and see if it fits the description of Muhammad:

1)“He [the Father] will give you another Comforter”. Jesus promised the disciples that the Father would give them another Comforter. During His earthly life, Jesus had been their Comforter. Now that He was going to leave them, He promised them another Comforter in His absence, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is “another Comforter” which implies more than one. In another New Testament passage Jesus is also called the “parakletos” (same word used of the Holy Spirit in John 14-16), our Advocate with God (1 John 2:1). The other “Comforter” was as He said, “the Spirit of truth”. If Jesus meant Muhammad by the word “Comforter”, would it not be absurd for Jesus to have said “He will give you another Muhammad”? The disciples did not have to wait 600 years for the Comforter to come, He came over a month after the death and resurrection of Jesus on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4).

2) “To be with you forever”. Jesus promised the Comforter would be with His disciples forever. Muhammad did not stay with his people forever but died in A.D. 632. The Comforter, the Holy Spirit has been with the Church for 2000 years.

3) “You know him” The disciples of Jesus knew the Comforter. Muhammad was not born until more than 500 years later and therefore was obviously not known by the disciples of Jesus.

4) “He dwells with you”. The Comforter, the Holy Spirit dwelled with the disciples of Jesus and thus this was something the disciples experienced in their lifetime. Muhammad was not even born yet.

5) “He will be in you”. The Comforter, the Holy Spirit would be in the disciples and by extension all believers in Jesus. This shows that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a spiritual reality, not a physical one. This can never be said of Muhammad.

It is clear from a consistent and honest reading of all the texts mentioned above that the Muslim claim that Muhammad is prophesied in the Bible is absolutely baseless. One can make the Bible or any book saying anything one wishes if context is ignored.  The same is true of the Qur’an. If we are going to appreciate proper exegesis (“reading out”) of the Bible we have to be consistent with its context, its grammar, and its historical setting. When the Bible is read this way it will become quickly evident that the Bible does not predict the coming of Muhammad at all. It rather points to Him who is the theme and subject of its focus, the One of whom the disciples testified, “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote—Jesus of Nazareth” (John 1:45).

32 comments:

Osama Abdallah said...

"In order for the Muslim to claim that the Bible predicts Muhammad’s coming he/she must hold to point (2) above. The three main passages that are quoted to support the claim Muhammad is predicted in the Bible are:

1) Deuteronomy 18:18-19
2) Song of Solomon 5:16
3) John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7"

Peace be upon all readers,

We don't just use these verses. And Song of Solomon 5:16 is one that is not much used.
There are many others from Isaiah 41, 42, 35, 60 and several passages from Jeremiah and several other books and verses that speak:

1- About the New Covenant coming from Arabia.
2- The New Servant coming from Arabia (lands of Kedar).
3- The House of GOD Almighty will be established in the desert.
4- The Path to the House of GOD Almighty will be called "THE PATH OF HOLINESS".
5- Arabia has not yet met its threshhold.
6- Arabia's time shall come.
7- THE GLORY OF GOD WILL COME FROM THE EAST. I just quoted the Bible here.
8- Jesus Christ will return from the EAST.
9- The Bible has thoroughly defined the EAST TO BE THE ARABS.
10- Islam declares that Jesus will return from the Arabs.

To see all of the Biblical passages on all of this, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm


As to the Bible being corrupt, we believe that all Bible verses and Hadiths from the Islamic sources that agree with the Glorious Quran are CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH. They're not absolute Truth, because on the Glorious Quran is, but they're closest to the Truth.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Mike said...

Osama Abdallah- do you believe all the revelations that mohammed laid forth as being trustworthy, true and worthy of praise?

Foolster41 said...

There's so much repetition of info on the pages of your site it gives me a bit of a headache to read. Also, I note you give two citatons for your proving that Mohammad was prophecized, which just lead back to the same page the link is on(?!).

I'm sure Tony or David will be glad to post an article refuting your claims on Isiah. They seem weak reliance on twisting of meaning of words, though I don't have the scholarship to make any specific arguments.

You might want to watch this video (Skip to around 52:15): http://www.answeringmuslims.com/search/label/Muhammad%20in%20the%20Bible%3F

"I hope this helps, insha'Allah."
Nope, because it's still circular logic, whether you call the parts the truth or "close to the truth" you're picking out verses that agrees with the Qouran and rejecting those that contradict it solely on what the Qouran (which came centuries after the bible) says.

Tom said...

@ Osama Abdallah

the sura 7:157 states:

"THEY".. will find in "THEIR" OWN scriptures... which is the Law & Gospel

Who is "THEY" and "THEIR OWN" scriptures.. "Law & Gospel"...
Isnt, "THEY" the Jews & Christians..... WHO NEVER found muhammad and REJECTED him from the start as a "prophet" of the Judeo-Christian faith!
So where is the debate?

We are to find muhammad in OUR scriptures.. not you, misguided muslims who totally pervert & corruptly misrepresent OUR Scriptures to desperately find this character called muhmmad, in the Bible.

The entire Old Testament is all about the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ, and there are some info to watch out for false prophets like muhmmad!

The Law is the first 5 books of the Jewish scriptures so when did
Isaiah, Jeremiah, (Song of Song) form part of the Law?

Does the koran record muhmmad's genealogy?

Andrew said...

Osama is a comedian. Psalm 83 calls Arabs enemies of God.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Andrew,

Psalm 83 was a Prayer to GOD Almighty that was rejected by GOD Almighty. This was when Gideon and his men worshiped idols after their vicotry that GOD Almighty gave them over their pagan enemies. See also Judges 8:27-35 and Jeremiah 21. I want everyone here to notice what this individual said:

******** "Arabs (are) enemies of God"

The low level of thinking is quite common. No entire nation is an enemy of GOD Almighty. You lie on your own Scriptures and you lie on GOD Almighty Himself. This is a typical Jewish lie that Jews keep inventing on not only Muslims, but on all non-Jews. And we find zionist Christians do the same also. But both lie on the Bible and on GOD Almighty. I call this "hijacking the Bible". THIS LIE THAT WALID SHOEBAT INVENTED had been thoroughly refuted at:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

I refuted him on Psalm 83 using Psalm 83 itself and Judges 8:27-35 and Jeremiah 21. This is where you'll get the full context.


@ Mike,

I encourage you to see the Glorious Quran's Stunning Scientific Miracles and what GOD Almigty Said regarding them to see for yourself the Divine Proof that the Quran is indeed from GOD Almighty.

And yes brother, I do find everything in the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah to be Praiseworthy and Trustworthy.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

levmaf said...

thank you David Wood for posting with good explanation about Islams confusion if osama do not understand the above clear evidence it shows that he do not want to admit it

David Wood said...

Levmaf,

Not my posting. We have several writers on AM.

Andrew said...

"A prayer rejected by God". You just made that up.

Hristov Apologeta said...

Islam, Qur'an and Muhammad don't recognize book of Isaiah as from the God, nor Isaiah is recognized as prophet in Islam, so you are committing blasphemy when you quote from Isaiah.

Qur'an only recognizes Torah, Psalms and book that Jesus carried with him - Injeel, which never existed.

That's it.

Moose ouma said...

Mohamed and allah are of so much significance (spiritually), there's no way their prediction could've missed in the laws and the gospels.Just to reference a few:

Rev 13:11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

Rev 17:3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.


@Osama Abdallah,

If you claim that saying "Arabs are enemies of God" is low level thinking, what about"

S 5:64- And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say.

Are you suggesting there's more than one "low level thinkers" or i just misread?

Andrew said...

Osama. You try and construe it is me calling arabs the enemies of God. It is not me. it is Asaph. He clearly states that edomites and ishmaelites who call for the destruction of Israel are God's enemies.

So your references to Gideon and Jeremiah to explain this Psalm is purely a figment of your imagination.

"No entire nation is an enemy of GOD Almighty" WHAAAAT!!!! have you even read the bible? ie the Amalekites.

Mike said...

Osama my prayer is that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would bless you in such a way that you come to realize that allah the great deciever is in fact the great deciever. As Moses told the Pharoah i tell the great deciever as named by mohammed to let Gods people go in Jesus name. Amen

Foolster41 said...

I like how Osama talks about how no entire nation is the enemy of god, but then rants (as he usually does) about "Zionists" (i.e. Isreali Jews) and the Jews. Of course to Osama everything bad a Muslim does is actually secretly done by zionists to make Islam look bad. (I'm not making this up! he blames 9/11 and numerous massacres on "Zionists").

I mean, it's not like the Qouran constantly derides Jews, compares them to animals, says some of them were turned into apes and piges and calls them inferior or anything. Oh. That's right, it does.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Andrew,

No I didn't make it up, and you obviously haven't read the verses that I gave you. Also, if you bother to read the Bible, you'd understand the following:

1- The pagans that were against the Jews were the ones against GOD Almighty. They were considered enemies of GOD Almighty because of their disbelief, not because of their nationalities.

2- As to the Ishmaelites and Edomites, the Bible says that THE NEW SERVANT AND NEW COVENANT WILL COME FROM ARABIA, and Arabia has not yet met its threshold, and that Arabia's time of harvest shall come. In my very first post above I have given the links that give ample Biblical passages for this. Not only that, but GOD Almighty orders THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF JACOB to follow this new Servant. This is in Isaiah 42. Because he was non-Israelite, the entire House of Jacob were commanded to follow him and to not be afraid of him.

Furthermore, Jesus Christ too will return as an Arab, not an Israelite. Visit the link that I gave you above.

All you've given were empty assertions. You were taught the Bible wrong. If you read from your Bible what I've quoted in the links above, then you'll understand, insha'Allah.


@Moosa Ouma,

Jews are not a nation nor a race. Allah Almighty responded to their claims. As to the beast and horns, what are you trying to prove here? That Islam is the beast and horn? Islam gave ample Prophecies about the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ) system that will rule the earth, and Israel will be the leader of this system. And we are living under this system today. And it is an evil and wicked system, thanks to Israel and its servants. You can learn more about Islam's End of Times Prophecies at:

www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm

I advise you and Andrew to remove from your heads the false teachings about the Arabs that you were raised with. I know you were taught "GOD LOVED JACOB AND GOD HATED ESAU". They were both brothers and sons of Isaac. They have nothing to do with Islam and the Arabs today. Some people's level of thinking is just too ridiculous! It's like you want to insist on hating for the sake of hating, even if your own Scriptures tell you otherwise.

Another advise is don't take what the zionists teach you. They're bigot, they're false and they're sons of satan. All they care about is how to make you a servant of Israel. But Israel is evil. It's not the symbol of Good. Even the book of Daniel said this about it:

Daniel 11:45: "(the evil one) will establish his settlement ***********between Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the Mediterranean sea. Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him."

The evil shepard's location is precisely Israel today. Visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

What do you get from Israel today? Making women more whores, and spreading lewdness and evil throughout the entire world. You can keep up with their Kardashians all you want. They won't do you any good.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Mister Who said...

Osama, I tried reading a bit of answering-christianity.....honestly I couldn't get through much. Your formatting is in dire need of help. It's very difficult to read, at least from an American English perspective (the only perspective from which I can speak). Further, after looking around the site a bit, it seems FAR more interested in attacking and insulting Christians, Conservatives, and non-Arab peoples than it does actually trying to create a sensible and thoroughly reasoned argument. Perhaps a culture barrier is at play, but your use of language (assuming you're the primary author of the site) is such that it's virtually guaranteed to turn away anyone who doesn't already agree with you before they've bothered to listen.

From what I read before apparent hate speech turned me away, it seemed that you had a hard time parsing through the difference between metaphor and literal meaning in the Bible.

Oh, and I'd advise against ever using the word "sheeple" to describe your ideological opponents.

God Bless

Andy said...

Osama essentially just repeated what the article said. He doesn't see the conundrum.

Ronnie said...

1Cor.1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2Cor.4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Thes.2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Regards Ronnie

HisBullAssh HamAndAss said...

We all can see how muslim show absolute favoritism and even unconsciously 'worship' Muhammmad in this matter, why there is not event one muslim try to validate any verses in OT to support for at least the Prophethood of Jesus, especially considering Jesus is JEWISH? Why muslim in so selfish way claim all of Jewish scriptures as referral to Muhammad and left none to Jesus whom they claim also as their prophet? what a hypocrite.

John 14 talks about 'Omni Present Spirit' who will dwell within all believers and it's obvious Muhammad is just limited human being, so clearly whatever nonsense being propagated by muslim yet simply based on this fact alone will annul them.

Some ignorant muslim foolishly quoted Isaiah 42 as an effort to proof of Muhammad's prophethood but even from their own Quran and Hadith support Isaiah 42 definitely refers to Jesus

Isaiah 42:1,4....I have put My Spirit upon him, Judgment to nations he bringeth forth....Till he setteth judgment in the earth, And for his law isles wait with hope.

The phrase I put My Spirit upon him, is validated by
The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him (roohun minhu) S. 4:171

never once in Quran nor Hadith Muhammad is mentioned of having Spirit of Allah being put on him



The phrase Judgment to nations he bringeth forth..Till he setteth judgment in the earth, And for his law isles wait with hope, is validated by

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, Surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and WILL JUDGE (ALL)MANKIND justly (as a JUST RULER); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than THE WHOLE WORLD AN WHATEVER IN IS IT

Muhammad even swore by his own life that Jesus will rule and judge all mankind in the WHOLE WORLD confirming Isaiah 42 as prophecy about Jesus.

Nakdimon said...

Hi Osama, how do you even know Isaiah is a prophet? You appeal to his texts but since you believe that the Bible can't be trusted, how do you even know that he waswas inspired by Allah?

HisBullAssh HamAndAss said...

In reference to Deut 18 , even taken from Muslim own sources they validate Jesus as the one whom being promised as the prophet similar to Moses.

Prophethood is a religious and spiritual matter so it should be looked primarily within that scope, here are spiritual and religious things of Moses and Jesus as being compared also with Muhammad :

1. In Quran Moses can raise the dead as well as Jesus while Muhammad can't!

2.In Quran Moses can turn a lifeless thing (rod) to become a living being(snake)perfectly match with Quran version of Jesus(turn clay into bird)and again Muhammad can not.

3.In Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Moses can bring down food from sky to the children of Israel and in Quran Jesus too bring down food from the sky to children of Israel and Muhammad can't not.

4. In Quran both Moses had a miracle healing from leprosy and Jesus performed miracle healing to lepers

5. Quran validates Moses and Jesus as prophet who was sent to the Israelite.


Now from the Bible:
First the life and teaching,

A. Moses and Jesus followed Saturday Sabbath, Muhammad broke it.

B.Moses and Jesus taught the fundamental law: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'
Muhammad did not.

C. Moses and Jesus followed Torah Dietary Laws
-Camel is detestable animal to be eaten, Muhammad not only ate it(stated in Quran) but also encouraged his followers to drink camel's urine(Sahih Bukhari).

-Sea creatures with no fins and scales are detestable to be eaten and their carcasses is specifically forbidden, Muhammad not only allowed the detestable sea creatures without fins and scales to be eaten but went further permitting the eating of their carcasses

-Animal with paw(eg. canine)is detestable, but Muhammad allowed the eating of Hyena(At-Timidhi and Musnad Ahmad Hadith)one of the most dirty animal in the world for its habit in eating rotten dead animal and garbage.

- Horse and donkey is forbidden to be eaten, but Muhammad ate donkey meat though later forbade it however horse meat is still permitted by Muhammad (Sahih Bukhari)

D. Moses and Jesus followed the Tabernacle rituals , Muhammad didn't.

E. Following the Torah, it's impossible for Moses and Jesus to approve any despicable act of a father having relation with their own daughter in-law, but Muhammad married his own daughter in-law.

F.Torah of Moses forbids Lying, Jesus also forbids lying, but Muhammad encouraged lying in three things; War, To Reconcile , and between Husband and Wife (Sahih Muslim).

G. Torah of Moses forbids Stealing, Jesus also forbids Stealing but Muhammad gives exception for a wife to secretly STEALS her husband's property(Sahih Muslim).

H. Moses and Jesus proclaiming the name of the true God 'Jahweh', Muhammad didn't know Jahweh.

HisBullAssh HamAndAss said...

Continuing in the light of Deut 18 on miracles of Moses and Jesus being compared to Muhammad:

1. Moses and Jesus experienced the miracle of radiant faces, Muhammad didn't.

2.Moses and Jesus defeated the dark forces of sorcery, Muhammad on the other hand became the victim of sorcery(Sahih Bukhari)

3.Moses and Jesus performed miracle of gathering the animal (Moses's locust miracle and Jesus miracle of gathering fishes), Muhammad none.

4. Moses and Jesus performed a miracle in giving food to a large mass of people, Muhammad didn't.

5. Moses and Jesus had a miracle in controlling the weather, Muhammad couldn't.

6. Moses and Jesus had done spectacular miracle with the water, turn water into blood or bitter water into sweet(Moses) and turn water to wine(Jesus), Jesus walking in mid of Sea of Galilee and Moses walking in mid of Red Sea, Muhammad none.

7. Thunderous voice of God directly spoken to Moses,especially at Mount Sinai, and Jesus at Jordan and mount of transfiguration, Muhammad none.

Andrew said...

No nation is entirely evil unless it is Israel. You are a laugh riot Osama. BTW read Romans 9,10 and 11. Its Paul's last word on Israel.

foxyman said...

Hi Dr. David, or anyone else, I need a little advice. Very often I will invite Muslims I 'meet' on the comments section of various posts, to have a private discussion via e-mail on the subject of Islam. Most accept, but as soon as they realise just how much I know, they disappear. My last recent mark, Mohammad, before he vanished, did bring up something that I need advice on. I did mention to him that in his own words, Mo said 'I have been made victorious through terror'. He scoffed at me asking just where had I seen that as he had never heard of it. I quoted him 'Sahih Bukhari 4:52:220. He retuned to me and stated that many of the Hadiths have been cancelled as there were too many of them and he thought that this was one of them.
My question is this:- The Qur'an cannot be......we all know the rest, what about the Hadiths? Can these be cancelled by mere mortals? I'm not too well up on the Hadiths and if it's of any relevance, I'm in the UK. Thank you in advance.

Foolster41 said...

" No entire nation is an enemy of GOD Almighty. "
"But Israel is evil. It's not the symbol of Good."

Osama in a nutshell. He can't keep his arguments straight, he blames everything on "zionists" (9/11, etc.) and has no moral or logical consistency. Also, he seems intent on ignoring my posts for now on. Heaven forbid he own up to his characterization of 1 Chron 5:5.

I've given up on debating with Osama, he has shown he has no morals or willingness to listen and be persuaded by arguments. Instead he instantly jumps to his (atrociously edited) site.

Still, it's good to point out his errors for the benefit of other Muslims so they won't be fooled.

Israel is evil he says, (for what? Defending themselves against genocidal terrorists who hide behind civilians?). I wonder if Osama would also condemn Saudia Arabia, Iran, the PLO and Hamas as evil? My guess is no, because you see, their Muslin, why would he condemn one of someone in his own "Family". Capiche?

Terry Bince said...

Here's a few scriptures to "refute" your erroneous claims Osama bin brainwashed...

Isaiah 21:16-17
(16)For thus the Lord has said to me:"Within a year, according to the year of a hired man, all the glory of Kedar will fail;
(17)and the remainder of the number of archers, the mighty men of the people of Kedar, will be diminished; for the Lord God of Israel has spoken it."
(Notice it says, Lord God of ISRAEL! Not of the Arabs or Kedarites.)

Jeremiah 49:28(b)
Thus says the Lord: "Arise, go up to Kedar, and devastate the men of the East!

How could the promised Prophet come from a place Jehovah God does not like & says Himself it will fail?

This next one the author is uncertain. But what is certain, he was an Israelite. A Jew. And tell me if this doesn't sound like radical islam of today.

Psalm 120:5-7
(5)Woe is me, that I sojourn in Meshech, that I dwell among the tents of Kedar!(6) My soul has dwelt too long with one who hates peace;(7) I am for peace; But when I speak, they are for war.
(Read the whole chapter. Verse 2 the writer calls the people he lives among, those with lying lips & a deceitful tongue.)

Ya, I can't see the Prophet Moses wrote about being from this band of lying, deceitful people. Besides, read Matthew 1:1-17. It tells you the genealogy of Jesus. The One Moses wrote about as the coming Prophet. And I didn't see Muhammad in there anywhere. Didn't even see his side of the family. Lol! Because it was prophesied the Prophet that Moses spoke about would come from the line of Abraham, Isaac, & David.

You can rant on all you want with your misguided jibberish Osama. You have no proof or facts to support your falsities...I have proof though. The proof to prove you wrong & the proof to support the truth.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Foolster41

Your own Jewish Bible calls your people prostitutes, and evil. And the Christians' Bible calls you sons of satan. At least Islam does not generalize you like that. We've always honored your Religion and respected your Holy Sabbath when you're under our Shariah Law.

As to the swines of the desert, this is what I used to call them on my website and drew so much hatred from Salafies and others towards me. THESE GOVERNMENTS WERE PUT BY THE ZIONIST BRITS AFTER WWI. These are not democratic rulers. They're puppets for the West, and all of their countries' wealth is in the Western banks. Fox News has once said that Arabs have close to ONE TRILLION US DOLLARS PUT IN THE USA ALONE in a period of 30 years. This causes corruption in the Middle East because there is virtually no private sect and enterprises. It's all government there. Meanwhile, the West enjoys the wealth.

Donald Trump asked why do people there hate Americans. Let me respond to that:

1- They don't hate Americans.
2- They hate the governments that rule them and the NWO governments of the West.
3- They also know that all of this is a fulfillment of Islamic Prophecies against them (the Arabs).

(a)- The Prophet said that the nations of the world will gather on YOU (Muslims) as predators gather on their prey. They asked the Prophet will it be due to our weakness and lack of numbers? He said your numbers will be great, like the drops of water in a flowing river. ****BUT YOUR POWER WILL BE LIKE THE FOAM THAT FORMS ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER. You blow it and it's gone.

(b)- Also the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ) system will rule the earth and will enter every home and spread its corruption in it, and will rule with fire and water, and will command the sky to rain and it will and command the sky to cause drought and it will. And this system will be lead by Israel.

So no, Muslims don't support these governments. ******THIS IS WHY THE ARAB SPRING ERRUPTED. The problem that the Arabs face is that the whole world conspires against them because of their oil wealth. But this is also all prophesied, and this is all paving the way for the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, who will come from the Arabs. This is both in your Bible and in Islam. Visit the links that I already gave above.


@HisBullAssh HamAndAss

Prophet Muhammad didn't marry his daughter in Law. He had no son. All of his sons were dead when they were babies. Islam doesn't recognize ADOPTED SONS AND DAUGHTERS. They don't inherit and you have no right to deny your child from marrying one just because you consider the latter as an adopted child. Islamically you have no right to say for example that your son can't marry her because you've been considering her your daughter for the past 15 years, and it's not right for your son to now marry her now that they're both old enough for marriage.

Allah Almighty ended this man-made practice and Commanded the Prophet to marry HIS ADOPTED SON'S FORMER WIFE, because he was never legally his son.

As to the other nonsense that you said, it's all been thoroughly proven to be lies and refuted at:

www.answering-christianity.com

Also to see THE GLORIOUS QURAN'S STUNNING SCIENTIFIC AND NUMERICAL MIRACLES, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

And yes, Prophet Muhammad too did have KARAAMAT, where he was full of blessings, and his wishes were answered by Allah Almighty, and he had special physical features and pleasing odor that were given to him, by the Creator. Allah Almighty even made the Romans defeat the Persians JUST TO PLEASE THE PROPHET AND THE BELIEVERS:

www.answering-christianity.com/defeat_romans.htm

There is even a stunning Geological Scientific Miracle in the Noble Verses.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Foolster41 said...

"Your own Jewish Bible calls your people prostitutes, and evil. And the Christians' Bible calls you sons of satan. At least Islam does not generalize you like that. We've always honored your Religion and respected your Holy Sabbath when you're under our Shariah Law."

"My people"? If you mean Jews, I never claimed to be Jewish.

Once again Osama is mangling scripture to fit his agenda. These are the names giving to UNFAITHFUL Jews in the OT, and Jews who refused to believe in the Messiah in the NT. I already gave examples of "generalizations" of the Qouran how unbeliever are the "Worst of creatures", so the claim is false on both counts (and I refused to believe he isn't aware of these verses as a scholarly muslim, but I'm glad to provide references if he needs them). Once again, see how Osama can't simply defend his faith, he has to attack other's faiths to do so.

See how he unequivocally calls Isreal evil, but he doesn't actually called Hamas, the PLO or Saudia Arabia evil. He says Muslims don't support them, but never calls them evil. Instead he blames all the terrorism on a "NWO", "Zionists" and the west. That's it, the "Zionists" are waging a genocidal war on themselves and living every day in fear, because... conspiracy? We should have known, both Jews and Palestinians are all Zionists!

Also once again no word on 1 Chron 5:5. It's almost as if Osama can't bring himself to ever admit he made a mistake.

HisBullAssh HamAndAss said...

@Osama
I notice u sort of agree with my explanation since u can't refute the proofs that Muhammad is not the prophesied one in Bible, such as:

-Muhammad is practically a Torah violator since he teaches To LIE and STEAL according (to Sahih Muslim Hadith) which breaks the Ten Commandments, he also teaches to eat Hyena one of the most disgusting animal on earth (Hadith Musnad Ahmad) and eating the meat and drinking the urine of Camel(Quran&Hadith) , all of these things are detestable according to Torah dietary laws which being kept by Jesus and Moses.

-You can't deny your prophet is a VICTIM OF the devil's dark force for being under the power of sorcery(Sahih Bukhari) when on the other hand Jesus casts out devil and Moses defeats Egyptians sorcerers which means they beat dark forces.

-Most of the miracles performed both in Bible and Quran by Moses and Jesus have more resemblance not only compare to Muhammad but even any other prophet possibly mentioned.

-Regarding Isaiah 42 that u seem to give emphasis a lot when being judged by your own authentic hadith in fact confirm that it's all about Jesus and not Muhammad, because according to your authentic hadith Muhammad swore by his own life that Jesus will rule and JUDGE All MANKIND on THE ENTIRE WORLD, confirming Isaiah 42.

-Even without Torah it'simply despicable to marry your owh daughter in-law whatever the condition is, the scenario is so predictable since Muhammad often visited Zayd and saw her wife within Zayd's house it's indeniable Muhammad had lust on her which is also another violation of 10 Commandments : Thou Shall Not Covet Another Man's Wife!

But just back to the rule of prohibiting to marry your daughter in-law, the law is made to accomodate NORMAL common sense of morality in prohibiting despicable act inside a family despite whether there were adopted child or not. For any normal descent human being with morality whatever their religion are ,this act of Muhammad is just purely filthy.

Gazza Sloane said...

Osama,

Why would Jesus return as an Arab?

The Quran says Allah raised Jesus to himself, correct?

So, wouldn't he return as he was born?

i.e A Jew?

Or is Allah going to have him be born and grow up again?

Please provide solid reference for your claims.

I refuse to go to your website because last time my firewall flagged up a Trojan virus within 30 seconds.

Andrew said...

Osama read Obadiah. Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 & 39 together. The fall of Islam.

Albert Devasahayam said...

Muslims are really deluded about finding Mohammad in the Bible. They have no choice because the Quran has deceived them with false claims which now Muslims are forced to affirm by hook or by crook. Muslims know if they concede defeat on this matter, their entire religion collapses like a house built on sand. Hope the time will come when God will open the minds and eyes of Muslims to realise that their religion is built on sheer falsehood.