Monday, November 16, 2015

Islam and the Siege of Paris

Following the recent terrorist attacks in Paris, millions of people are once again trying to understand the relationship between Islam and terrorism. Both peaceful Muslims and jihadists quote the Quran to justify their views. In this video, David Wood examines two verses of the Quran to determine the Quranic stance on terror.

 

57 comments:

WeimMom said...

I would not be surprised were this not a 'false flag', a warning to Russia to back off killing ISIS. Russian plane bombed....

Since Obama trained, funded and armed ISIS (take out Assad), would that not make him responsible?

goethechosemercy said...

The text on its face & in its content is an objective fact. It contains operational truth.

Gazza Sloane said...

&WeimMom

ISIS would not dare attack Russia. If they did our ISIS problem would go away pretty darn quick. Russia does not allow itself to be spineless like the West. Russia would get even, and then some.

Keith said...

Great video as always Dr Wood. By the way, would you recommend your barber to me?

pacman said...

Knew that was coming

pacman said...

A transcript would be appreciated.

Search said...

Brave work and needed work.

I knew basically next to nothing regarding islam until I ran across one of your videos about four years ago. I was reporting on a liberal protest in Manhattan regarding the Mosque at ground zero when a person saw my press credentials and asked me for my opinion which, out of ignorance, I did not have.

Angered by my lack of knowledge, I decided to read all I could and thus ran across your videos along with some books. Thanks for the vast amount of information. I since then published articles on Islam which was not received with open arms. There is nothing like a good death threat to end the day. As I told one of my friends, I never fear the ones that call me, I fear the ones that don't. Keep up the great work/ministry.

amessageforallnations .com said...

Excellent. The only way we can combat this cancer is...... knowledge. I will not be silent.

Luther-Carlo Suvu said...

Although what Bro.Wood expose is all true however to make this truth acceptable is not as simple nor easy as we wish to be.

Actually the western society is cornered between two options :
A) Deny the truth of islamic brutality in order to appease the so called moderate muslim hoping they would cooperate w/ Westerner to fight the jihadist BUT for doing so consequently LIKE CANCER the 'harsh' part of Islamic teaching would be stay hidden yet malignant &progresively spread PLUS the Westerners would INDIRECTLY have to tolerate any event of islamic terrors in a sense of the Westerner would have to deny those terrors have any relation w/ Islam though deep down Westerners know exactly undoubtfully that Islam is the cause.

or

B) if all Westerners were finally acknowledging the true face of Islam then there would be no choice then to at least isolate the Muslim coz it's obvious they are dangerous . And worst for muslims part if this truth were widely acknowledged then actually we would make both the "genuine&pretend to be peaceful muslim, change their gear from Peace/Moderate Mode to Full Jihadis Mode.

Sorry to say to all the apologists despite your sincerity along with the validity of the truth about Islam y'all have been exposing still for this truth to be accepted in real wide society is hard considering the severity of implication that we would have to face in the world.

Osama Abdallah said...

Hi David,

I am going to debate Sam Shamoun soon in a few weeks, GOD Almighty Willing. George Seige will host it in Chicago where we both live. I would like to challenge you on debating me on this very topic. You can also choose another debate of your choice to make it a total of four debates.

It's easy to make one-sided videos about anything. We can go over the Glorious Quran's Verses and also the interpretation about the people who pay taxes are just as guilty as those who kill Muslims, and we can also go over whether the soldiers themselves should be targeted according to the Glorious Quran and Hadiths, and see if your position is valid or not.

If interested, then I hope to see you in Chicago.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Usedc Cavite said...

Don't waste your time sir David to all narrow minded people around you. You have the best material and that is the truth. Keep doing the good works!

John Hunt said...

David and Sam's videos are really great!

Keep up the good work brothers,

John Hunt

amessageforallnations .com said...

@Luther:
You are right - there is no simple answer, if there is any answer at all, at least politically. Let us not forget this is all so prophetic:

Genesis 16:12 And he [Ishmael] will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

The irony of God's plan, that this would play out in the world stage through Islam. I do not expect Moslems to abandon their faith en mass any more than I expect Jews to embrace Jesus as their messiah en mass until and unless God lifts the veil of blindness:

Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.


The best we can do is to is work to contend, convince and convert - one soul at a time, as we watch the drama of the end time unfold.

On another note:

I came across this article on our 'good ally', Saudi Arabia, entitled, 'How Saudi Arabia exports radical Islam':

http://theweek.com/articles/570297/how-saudi-arabia-exports-radical-islam?google_editors_picks=true

If this is so, western society cannot be serious about fighting terrorism without dealing with Saudi Arabia.

This needs to be addressed - "David Wood" style!

Gerdy C said...

From the facts presented here, could we not draw a second conclusion, i.e. that Muslims who do quote (one of) their verses incomplete 'only remember' (or want to remember) the parts that support what they themselves value in life ? In doing this (knowingly or unknowingly), are they not expressing our commonly felt human longing for peace, so is it not those people that 'the world is waiting for' ?

Thnx for the work done here, which I find very stimulating in helping to sharpen my insight.

akairey said...

@Search.... this might be enlightening for you to watch and use as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0&index=10&list=FLo-qZ8onMje41k9J87KapKg

Nojmul Huda said...

Dear Osama Abdallah;

Don't you feel shame to say "glorious Koran" for the book, which turn young people to become terrorists? Thousands of innocent people are being killed daily around the world by the inspiration from your Koran and you say it “glorious Koran”. You should be brought to justice praising a book that inspires killing innocent non-Muslims like me. Can you deny facts that "Allah-Hu-Agbar" is not in the Koran? And by this mantra “Allah-Hu-Agbar” Muslim animals are killing Christians in Europe, America, Russia, Africa, Pakistan, etc.; Hindus in India, Bangladesh; Buddhists in Sri Lanka, Burma; Shia Sunni in Middle East, Pakistan etc. Is that book can be a glorious book?

Dr. Wood proved referring from Koran that all evil power such as killing, raping, child abuse, sex slaves etc. comes from teaching of Koran. You should remember that your Allah in Koran and Almighty God in the Holy Bible are of two different powers. From the Bible we find God of Abraham, creator of heaven and earth, is merciful, kind, righteous and justice to all His creation. But Allah in Koran we find a giver of evil strength, by “Allah-Hu-Agbar” Muslims get strength to kill innocent people. There are millions of Jihadists around the world. But True God in the Bible teaches people to love enemies; people of France and America proved that teaching forgiving Jihadists. But 1 billion Muslims around the world still could not prove to the world that their Allah too teaches Muslims to love the enemies. You should challenge David to prove that Koran makes better human than the Bible.

Matlin said...

Osama,
When and where is the debate?

Luther-Carlo Suvu said...

@Nojmul Huda
I predict in advance Osama as typical as other muslims would use the Western conquest and colonialism argument. Frankly I'm sick'n tired with this lame but widely spread propaganda.

For me to say original teaching of christianity propagate war using the Western Imperialism argument is as like saying Budhism is a violent religion based on wars and conquests by Tang Dynasty(China),Thai Dynasty(Thailand), Tibetan Empire(Tibet), Srilankan Kingdom and also Japan's atrocities in WW2 (50% of Japan are Zen Budhism or mixed w/Shinto).

Concerning Western Imperialism everybody knows that this conduct is not compatible with christian teaching as also all the wars which were conducted by Budhis Kingdoms are not representing Budhism.

Budhism, and Christianity both certainly teach peace and separation of religious institution and state where despite a nation could be influenced heavily by a religion yet still religion can't dictate the matter of state. I call this what a 'real society should be' where religion stays within the perimeter of soulish and spiritual matter only.

Have there been any deviation from the genuine peaceful teaching within Budhism? YES! there had been many occurrences in Japan, Thailand and Burma by certain 'radical monks' in propagating violence. But again it should be EMPHASIZED that those events are ALL DEVIATION FROM ORIGINAL PEACEFUL TEACHING of Budhism.

The most easy and simple way , just look at the founder what they did and taught, It will be so out of reality if any person perceives Jesus and Budha as a violent, war-monger person and also on the other hand it will be totally misguided out of common sense person when one can't see Muhammad as a Violent War-Mongering Blood Thirsty soul.

Answering Judaism said...

These attacks in Paris and other places cannot be ignored.

Answering Judaism said...

We need to pray for the People who have been entangled into Islam.

Moose ouma said...

Guyz,

Nobody ever got answers from the quran, only denials and lies- if a muslim has to accept that the quran is violent, he has to denounce allah and islam (it is not going to happen). Only the bible holds the truth about these issues and also how it's going to play out till the end.

Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, AND BY PEACE SHALL DESTROY MANY: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

In other words, when people are still saying that islam means peace, many shall die by islam.

Dan 7:21 "I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.

Whoever says that these things can be ironed out by discussions and reforms is a lair. It is cast on stone and no one can change this.

Luther-Carlo Suvu said...

@amessageforallnations

Frankly speaking I myself don't have the answer for the dilemma in exposing the truth about violent teaching of Islam. I'm just describing the dilemma we face.

Let me point it out again that:
-If we did not expose the violent teaching of Islam, then like cancer it would spread silently yet malignantly in muslim community and have the potential for anytime to explode.

-If we exposed the violent teaching of Islam to the West and being accepted as truth then there would be some isolation/segregation policy toward muslim community (unless they would genuinely renounce their faith, either becoming atheist or any belief but Islam), and on the other side it would just make the moderate muslims fast-forward themselves from Peaceful Mode to Jihadis Mode. And another addition there surely would be OIL & ECONOMIC CRISIS (since Muslims not only controls the oil but from their oil money they're also control the finance of the world)

Of course we might WISH that muslims would embrace the view of people such as Zudi Jasser, Tarek Fatah or Irshad Manji who posses a very liberal view ( HERETICAL to be exact according to Authoritative Islamic Theology)but I think it's just a wishful utopian thinking.

Btw regarding Saudi Arabia, as long as the West still uses oil-consuming vehicle and has no real replacement for oil, I doubt Western governments have the guts to confront the Arabs and their religion of hate.

TPaul said...

This is true Najmul Huda.
I am surprised as the events of the days unfold and Islam reigns terror in the hearts of every human being on the planet, why the number of Muslims do not decrease.
Are 1.6 billion Muslims actually so blinded by their cult that they do not see anything wrong with it? It boggles the mind.

In retrospect people realize how evil Nazism really was such that any kind of association to this cult is a taboo. When will we get the same kind of enlightenment when it comes to Islam?

Maybe when our dependence on fossil fuel is diminished and Arab nations don't have that much of disposable income to buy off our politicians, leaders and university professors.... Maybe then only will the truth about Islam's brute force will ever be exposed.

Osama Abdullah, " glorious" ? Really ? In what way exactly? It is in fact the only single piece of literature that is without doubt the cause of death and destruction the world over and you still find that glorious?

If such vile negativity, death and destruction are the hallmarks of an Islamic deity, then is there even a need for an evil counterpart in this peculiar ideology? Allah's evil nature surely overshadows iblees (Satan)

AM said...

Hi David
Hey I just saw your video on ISIS which was published more than a year ago... 18th Oct 2014
..
Man u had the insight and the knowledge about them last year, and they proved u right again with their attack in paris this year.
I'm just surprised how the Govt with all its high tech cant grasp what u have said such a long time ago....
U r great. God Bless you always.

Osama Abdallah said...

@Matlin,

"Soon" I was told.

@David,

When you create your ISIS and terrorism videos on Islam, just remember that Prophet Muhammad Commanded the Muslims to not:

1- Cut any tree or damage any crop.
2- Kill any animal.
3- Kill any unarmed person.
4- Kill any soldier/fighter who surrenders.

See the following Hadith references:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.
Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4319
Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4320.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 008, Hadith Number 2663.
Maliks Muwatta, Book 021, Hadith Number 008.
Maliks Muwatta, Book 021, Hadith Number 009.
Maliks Muwatta, Book 021, Hadith Number 010.
Also about kind treatment to animals in general, see:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 174.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 535.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 712.

Regarding humans, plants and animals, see the following Noble Verses from the Glorious Quran:
22:18, 24:41, 6:38, 76:7-10.

So much for paying taxes makes one's blood lawful to be shed. All of the animals, plants and civilians and unarmed soldiers pay taxes and support the enemy. Yet, the Prophet forbade their blood.

There is a lot more I'll add if you and I were to debate this. So please accept so that we can prove once again that ISIS is zionist and false. They don't represent Islam, and you David Wood, have a Moral Responsibility to be honest about Islam, even if you don't believe it is from GOD Almighty.

I hope you accept to debate. Please contact George Siege for setup and date and time.

Hope to see you in Chicago, soon.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Nojmul Huda said...

I agree with President Obama at least in one point that "no American boots" to fight with ISIS. Why should our brave soldiers shed blood for Muslims cause? It is responsibility of “good Sunni Muslims” like Osama Abdallah to fight against ISIS, if “good Muslims” think ISIS blasphemed Muslim Allah and Quran by killing innocent people. Osama may go to debate with David Wood to defend notorious Koran but he or Sunni Muslims won’t go to fight against ISIS to defend Koran if it is glorious. This proves that David’s interpretation to justify ISIS to fight against 5 billion non-Muslims of world is to be correct. World is watching with surprise to see that there are no million march by Muslims in Washington DC to show solidarity with peace loving people of the world for killing innocent peoples by the name of Allah-Hu-Agbar. By last two weeks Muslims killed more than 600 people including Paris, and Lebanon.

Gaius said...

David I believe you should state as many times as possible that the Koran is not written chronologically, that when it is organized as such (Mecca 1 Period, Medina Period, and Mecca 2 Period) the Mecca 1 Period has all the peaceful verses because he was trying to get accepted. But the other 2 periods, when he was a war lord and in power, show the violent verses including the abrogation of the peaceful verses of the Mecca 1 Period.
I believe it would help your excellent job of showing the true nature of the ideology.
Regards

unknown said...

This religion is the most detestable religion there is in my opinion, especially when you hear the history ,the real history of Mohammad. It's obvious that he was a hypocrite, getting revelations, that keep constantly changing and contradicting his previous revelations, in favor of his pleasure and selfish ambitions. What a disgusting religion!

A Friend in GOD said...

Hey David,

I don't have your email address but I wanted to get in touch with you.

I was listening to this very disturbing testimony of John Ramirez who wrote the book "Out of the Devil's Cauldron". Long story short, this guy was a high level
Warlock in a demonic cult before he was converted to Christianity. Of all the unbelievable things he described, one of them was that he was able to talk and have conversations with demons one on one,
just like you would sit down and talk to a friend. He had knowledge of how principalities and powers operated, and he disclosed something that I thought you would want to investigate:

He revealed that Islam is run and controlled by the demon named "Satamanda" the green realm demon. He mentioned Hati as well... the overseer of which is a demon called "Condelo" the demon of fire.

He revealed this as if it was plain old common knowledge to him.

So if this is actually true.(and it will require some more research... perhaps even interviewing John Ramirez himself) then this clears up a lot of questions concerning Islam and where it REALLY came from.
I would love to hear you comment on this once your research is done. If John Ramirez is out to lunch then i'd like to know that too... but if you listen to his interviews or read his book... he really
seems to believe what he has written.

There are several interviews with him on you tube but the one where he revealed "Satamanda" as the controller of Islam was in the almost 2 hour interview called "Secrets of Darkness by John Ramirez"
you can do a you tube search to check it out.

If you have a reply you can email me at: afriendingod@gmail.com

Peace be with you brother!

-A Friend

Foolster41 said...

"So please accept so that we can prove once again that ISIS is Zionist and false."
It's interesting how many jew-hatring Muslims are secretly "Zionist". It's not enough for some Muslims to say other Muslims are incorrect in their theology, they have to throw in this frankly anti-semetic conspiracy theory as well (though I'm hardly suprised, Abdullah has many conspiracy theories that the Jews are secretly behind many actions that are elleged to be by Muslims) , simply because they are making Islam look bad!

I suppose the PLO, FATAH and HAMAS are all Zionist plots too!

SG said...

Great work as usual. It's unfathomable that there are some who are blaming the west for this, and I came fresh off reading a tweet saying that French colonialism was the indirect cause of this. This has been a particularly crazy week that reminded me why I turned my back completely on liberalism.

Nojmul Huda said...

“…you David Wood, have a Moral Responsibility to be honest about Islam,…” - Osama

Dear Osama Abdallah,
As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu "the peace be upon you".

You have responsibility too to be honest to acknowledge truth about your “glorious Quran” if it teaches notorious demonic teaching without fear of being killed by devil Muslims. I believe you are educated, not illiterate Muslim Mullah found in Muslims countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan, Africa etc. who act like ISIS and kill innocent people justifying Quranic demonic surah by the mantra “Allah-Hu-Agbar”. They are majority jihadist sympathizers and that is why after a bomb blast we do not see any protest against jihadists from majority people.

Dr. Wood referred Surah 5:33 which says “..Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger …. they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. “

Is this surah not stated in your glorious Quran? Then justify where did Dr. Wood lie about the Quran? And why does this Quran not be called a notorious book which defile Holy Name of Holy God by Whose name evil Muslims kill innocent people?

Appreciate your reply!

Thanks,

Revelations said...

I have a few questions.
Is it possible that the dragon thrown out of heaven in revelations was Allah ?
Is Jhon describing the migrants coming out of the sea in rev 13? Is Jhon refering to Muhammed (the head with the fatal wound that had healed?) Jhon refers to the second beast who gives authority and power to the first and its name is 666. Is this the smart phone? Apple have three sixes in their stable, and without the smart phone all the radical Muslims would be powerless. I would like to ask all Christians to pray, for all the good people who follow islaam

Mikael Ollars said...

I am from Sweden and have shared this on facebook.God bless you for your work, David.
I like the way you show courage to confront these things openly. It is needed.

Richard Barton said...

Thank you David. I fight alongside you sir.

D. Collaric said...

quote: Osama Abdallah said...


[...] just remember that Prophet Muhammad Commanded the Muslims to not:
1- Cut any tree or damage any crop.

59:5 Sahih International Whatever you have cut down of [their] palm trees or left standing on their trunks - it was by permission of Allah and so He would disgrace the defiantly disobedient.

o9.15 It is permissible in jihad to cut down the enemy's trees and
destroy their dwellings. ISLAMIC SACRED LAW aka Sharia


2- Kill any animal.
If this were the case you muSlimes would all be VEGETARIANS :-)

3- Kill any unarmed person.
4- Kill any soldier/fighter who surrenders.


Ishaq:369 (PDF:209)

The Apostle said: 'Kill any Jew that falls into your power'.


“Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘


By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you,

my brother,

I would have cut off your head.’

Wherein the brother said,

‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’”

[marvelous renders this another translation]

He became a MUSLIM....

[eoq]


Muhammad: His life based on the earliest sources....
Martin Lings pdf 155-6

[...]
Early next morning he set off for Medina with his army and the spoils. Two of the most valuable captives, that is those whose families could be relied upon to pay the full ransom of 4,000 dirhems, were Nadr of 'Abd ad-Dar and 'Uqbah of 'Abdu Shams. But these were two of the worst enemies of Islam, and if they were allowed to return they would im­mediately resume their evil activities, unless the Muslims' victory at Badr against such odds had made them reflect.


The Prophet's eye was now constantly upon them; but there was no sign of any change of heart in either man, and during the march it became clear to him that it was not in accordance with the Will of God that they should be left alive. At one of the first halts he gave orders that Nadr should be put to death, and it was 'Ali who beheaded him. At a subsequent halt 'Uqbah suffered the same fate at the hands of a man of Aws.

= end of quote =

You see OK-muSlime, ONE can bring FOR ALL situations SUPPORTING text.
Now I'll tell you why I NEVER will accept Islam as VALID.
Allah could NEVER EVER have send Jesus with the message "FORGIVE/LOVE YOUR enemies" Allah KILLED his enemies (battle of badr FYI)

btw I've came across the video of Christian Prince in which you at the end left, after LYING about Jesus.

Osama Abdallah said...

@D. Collaric,

You called me "MuSlime". I'll leave the slime to you and your corrupt leaders and corrupt churches, where children get raped and idols get worshiped, polytheism is revered, and people get ripped off and robbed. Now, as to the Noble Verses that you quoted above, here is my response:

Noble Verse 59:5 does not Command the Muslims to just burn down plants. It talks about the Muslims' gains over the infidels. Plants and animals do live in communities like us:

"Seest thou not that to God bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? But a great number are (also) such as are fit for Punishment: and such as God shall disgrace,- None can raise to honour: for God carries out all that He wills. (The Noble Quran, 22:18)"

"There is not an animal (That lives) on the earth, Nor a being that flies On its wings, but (forms Part of) communities like you. Nothing have We omitted From the Book, and they (all) Shall be gathered to their Lord In the end. (The Noble Quran, 6:38)"


As to Noble Verse 9:15, it doesn't say what you claimed about it. Here is the Text of the Noble Verse:

[009:015] And still the indignation of their hearts. For God will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and God is All-Knowing, All-Wise.


As to the quotes about killing Jews, this probably happened during the times when they broke their treaty and betrayed the Muslims. Regular civilians weren't killed. Certainly, children weren't put to death, and neither women and elderly, and unarmed men. Your quote only names one Jew who was killed. There is probably a lot more to the store and context. Random killing is certainly forbidden in Islam, and I have given ample references above.

Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

"Allah could NEVER EVER have send Jesus with the message "FORGIVE/LOVE YOUR enemies" Allah KILLED his enemies (battle of badr FYI)"

Yet, when Jesus Christ returns, he'll put the entire planet earth to the sword. He'll dwarf any killing done by any Prophet or Believer.

You are ignorant, and your mind is too fogged up and clouded that you have become spiritually blind. IF you want want to compare the killings done by Prophet Muhammad and any of the Bible's Prophets (Jesus included) who did and will kill in battles, then Muhammad will be the least one. And Islam forbids killing of civilians and even captive fighters:

"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' (The Noble Quran, 76:7-9)"

Osama Abdallah

Jorge Izurieta said...

The following excerpt from the Quran should be the basis of all context for what you have spun only 2 verses to be.

"But recite unto them with truth the tale of the two sons of Adam, how they offered each a sacrifice, and it was accepted from the one of them and it was not accepted from the other. (The one) said: I will surely kill thee. (The other) answered: Allah accepteth only from those who ward off (evil). (27) Even if thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee, lo! I fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. (28) Lo! I would rather thou shouldst bear the punishment of the sin against me and thine own sin and become one of the owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers. (29) But (the other's) mind imposed on him the killing of his brother, so he slew him and became one of the losers. (30) Then Allah sent a raven scratching up the ground, to show him how to hide his brother's naked corpse. He said: Woe unto me! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my brother's naked corpse? And he became repentant. (31) For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. (32) The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; (33) Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (34)

This "paragraph" describes the pretext, action, and result of Cain's murder of his only brother. It is because of Cain's sin that our God decreed that murder be forbidden, except in the case where one has committed murder or one has grown corruption in the land. Gods angels brought this message to the prophet Moses and to the children of Israel. But still the people did not pay attention to the commandment.

Jorge Izurieta said...

So we know from this story that anyone who commits murder will know in his soul the disgrace he has brought on himself in the eyes of The All-Mighty God, instantly. No matter how deep he digs the grave, he cannot hide his sin from the Lord.

I ask that you to realize that the children of Israel are the same as the rest of the human race. We are all created equally by God. So to say that God said to the children of Israel one thing and then changed his mind is regarding our Lord as fallible. You know that He isn't.

Now what punishment could be more severe than betraying Gods commandment and the resulting fall out on your soul? None. In this world, we are limited to what God has a allowed us to have. If we decide in haste to separate a soul that belongs to God from a body that also belongs to God, then your soul, which belongs to God, does not deserve the body that was given to you, by God. Should I kill you for killing? I would rather be like Abel, the righteous one and say, "let my Lord deal with you. I have his commandments to obey. and Killing is not one of his commandments."

You will argue that it says "kill the murderers and the corrupt" I would argue, "if the criminal wants to put Gods power into his own hands, then they should go meet God and see what His power truly is" This seems fair. But if he dies or does not die by my hand. He is already damned.

You may say "But what about the mutilation? chop off opposing limbs? that's extreme? Don't you think?"

God knows better than any of us. See how a man walks with his right hand coming forward as his left foot also comes forward and vice-versa. God spans the entirety of the universe, there is nowhere to run from Him. Likewise, a man without a right hand and a left foot has no capacity to run as it is here on our lonely terrestrial home. What more proof do we need? God is mightiest of all.

Sir,

You have taken the lines that you provided as "evidence" out of context. You are making an incomplete argument out of ignorance of what is being said. Clearly, it tells you that our Bible has given us a true account of our history. It explains to you how and why Gods commandment of "do not kill" is one in a very short list of commandments. And it tells you that God will not need witnesses or a jury to carry out his infallible justice.

"No matter which direction you travel on land, you will eventually come to the ocean."

Most importantly it reminds you, that God is forever merciful and forgiving and he will always be just to you and to me and to every living breathing creature in the universe.

We should not look for a battle to convert, or to eliminate the true identity of those who have respect for Gods commandments. They are universal to all "religions" on earth. Live by them and we will not live a life of shame.

My brother, you have the power to open eyes. Many people in this world are blinded by the evil that goes on in the world. Terrorism and mass murder are cause for alarm. But we must distinguish between those who respect Gods gift and those who do not. It is truly that simple. It is not about Islam or Christianity, Jesus or Muhammad. Its about who we are as individuals and love that we share from within when we have accepted what has come from God. Life. Beauty. Honor. Opportunity. Resilience. Courage.

Jesus said that we "look for the spec in our neighbors eye, and ignore the plank in our own. first remove the plank and then help your brother with his eye."

Please reconsider the arguments that you make. You have people that will follow you. Please lead them in a direction free of hate, or condemnation. God is above all things merciful. Will we live our lives separating ourselves further from Him?

Nojmul Huda said...

“IF you want to compare the killings done by Prophet Muhammad and any of the Bible's Prophets (Jesus included) who did and will kill in battles, then Muhammad will be the least one. And Islam forbids killing of civilians and even captive fighters:”- Osama

Dear Hujur (teacher) Osama Abdallah,
Where did you find that Jesus fought while He spread “Gospel”, good news about love of God for mankind by forgiving our sins thru suffering and resurrection of Jesus Christ? You are out of your mind, a liar. It is stated earlier that your Allah and our Holy God of Abraham is not the same. Your Allah did not send Jesus Christ to save mankind but God of Abraham, Father of Jesus Christ did.

Hujur Osama, you did not answer my question stated above whether David Wood lied by referring surah 5:33 explaining justification for Jihadist Muslims’ killing of innocent people using notorious demonic Quranic surah around the world. Recently they killed 20 people by the same mantra “Allah-Hu-Akbar” in Radisson Blu hotel in Mali, though disgraceful Quran 76:7-9 said Islam forbids killing civilians and even captive fighters. Oh! Muhammad where is thy sting, where is thy fall?

Muhammad said Islam is a peaceful religion but there is no peace among Muslims since his time till today. How many Shia Sunni Muslims have been killed since battle of Karbala (680AD) fight between Ali and (Yazid)? Quranic surah is talk of a crazy people impresses criminals, lunatics and transforms good people to bad to ugly to defend Muhammad and his Allah. No one should fear any more to tell the truth about Islam; enough is enough. May Almighty God save people of the world from this demonic religion!

Osama Abdallah, believe the Holy Bible instead of Quran and you will find the truth, which will set you free.

Trevor said...

Osama says: “Yet, when Jesus Christ returns, he'll put the entire planet earth to the sword. He'll dwarf any killing done by any Prophet or Believer.”

That’s right, because Jesus is God Almighty (Revelation 1:8); and as God, He is the judge of all. But He judges in righteousness, e.g. Noah’s Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and many other judgements throughout history. If God freely gives life, then He can also take it again. Everything belongs to Him.

The first time He was here was not as the Judge, but as the Savior, to suffer on our behalf so we could avoid eternal death (“...for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.” John 12:47).

But on His return it will be as the Judge of all.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory… all the nations will be gathered before Him…” Matthew 25:31-46

Foolster41 said...

Abdullah said: "have a Moral Responsibility to be honest about Islam"
Ha, good one. It'd be nice if you were likewise honest about Christianity. I still have yet to hear an apology or good explanation for your skewing of 1 Cor 5:5, after MANY times of being asked and getting nothing but silence. Honest! I suspect you'll just ignore me once again.

For those who might not remember, he claimed that 1 Cor 5:5 was an order to kill a apostate (in order to justify the laws of apostasy in Islam), even though there has been no mainstream understanding of this definition.

"5:3–5 A very difficult passage. Though Paul is physically absent from the Corinthian community, he claims to pass a prophetic judgment in their midst. The apostle is commanding the church to expel the offender from their fellowship (“deliver this man to Satan”). The purpose of this judgment is the man’s salvation, but that can be achieved only if his sinful tendencies are overcome (“the destruction of the flesh”). According to one interpretation of 2 Cor. 2:5–11, this man did repent of his sin. See “Church Discipline and Excommunication” at Matt. 18:15." -The Reformation study bible

"If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." (Matt 18:17, no mention of killing here).

Looking a few others I see references to excommunication and the phrase "get rid of", but nothing that explicitly points to a command to kill.

The Onus is on Osama to present a mainstream interpretation of this verse. Of course he hasn't. The sad truth is, Osama knows that the order to kill someone for changing their religion looks bad, so he has to tarnish Christianity in order to try to save his own religion.

tactical plunger said...

Osama these do not cut a tree and do not kill elderly commands are taken out of context and David made a post about it

See it here http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/10/reza-aslan-invites-isis-jihadists-to.html?m=1

Osama Abdallah said...

@Trevor,

You said:

"That’s right, because Jesus is God Almighty (Revelation 1:8); and as God, He is the judge of all. But He judges in righteousness, e.g. Noah’s Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and many other judgements throughout history. If God freely gives life, then He can also take it again. Everything belongs to Him."

Revelation 1:8 isn't saying that Jesus is GOD Almighty. Here is what the text says:

Revelation 1
4 John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ (NOTICE THE DISTICTION), who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Clearly, the Alpha and Omega is GOD Almighty and not Jesus.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

amessageforallnations .com said...

Wrong, Osama. Keep reading..... Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - the First and the Last !

Revelation 1:13-18
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 -- His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 -- I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Luther-Carlo Suvu said...

@Osama

{Clearly, the Alpha and Omega is GOD Almighty and not Jesus.}
Are u blind or something ?

Rev 1: 8 “I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

continue to verse 17-18, And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST I AM HE THAT LIVETH AND WAS DEAD ; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Do you mean God the Father WAS DEAD ??

And if any muslims still wanna argue that The Alpha&Omega is not The First & The Last here's the verse to close the case

Rev 22:13,16 ; I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST the Beginning and the End....I, JESUS have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Either u willfully blind yourself or have some sort of brain malfunction for not seeing this blatant truth.

amessageforallnations .com said...

@Luther

The root AND the offspring of David - the answer to the question Jesus stumped the Jews with in Matt 22:

Matthew 22:41-46
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.


Blindness though is not a brain malfunction. It is simply a matter of desire. "None are so blind as those who will not see"....

Trevor said...

Osama, it's pretty obvious that the passages in Revelation Chapter 1 (and as Luther-Carlos pointed out, in 22:13,16) are Jesus Himself, talking about Himself.

Osama Abdallah said...

You haven't proven that Jesus in the Alpha and Omega, because I've shown the distinction between him and GOD Almighty fro Revelation 1 itself. Jesus being a Mighty Being sitting at the Right Hand of GOD Almighty doesn't make him GOD Almighty Himself. This is one of the main things Islam came to correct. There are no DIVINE SONS OF GOD. And the Glorious Quran further Says that those whom you call "Sons of GOD" are no more than favored Creations raised to Honor.

Nothing in Revelation 1 or anywhere in the Bible shows that Jesus is our Creator. I already showed the distinction between Jesus and GOD Almighty. The Bible further says that:

1- Jesus had to be "IN ACCORDING TO MElchizedek". Melchizedek was the Jews’ Highest Priest who had no father and no mother, and no beginning and no end. Jesus had to be “in according to Melchizedek”. See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20.

Jesus’ Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek. He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.

2- Jesus also said no one knows when JUDGMENT DAY WILL COME (Matthew 24:36). He said I don't know when It will come, no one knows when It will come except GOD Almighty Alone:

Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Clearly Trinity is man-made. It is not something that GOD Almighty is associated with.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Luther-Carlo Suvu said...

@Osama
Why Muslims when get cornered always try to divert themselves out of topic? please be gentleman and MAN UP just once!

Let us stick to your objection on Revelations 1 shall we ? I don't have to widen the discussion following your stupidity especially since YOU DENY THE EXISTENCE OF THE MOST OBVIOUS CLEAR LITERAL PASSAGE in Book of Revelations.

Please understand this,I'm absolutely NOT demanding you to affirm Jesus as God nor to understand some sophisticated passage in Book of Revelations that needs deep interpretation.

As the matter of fact I just simply ask you to read with your naked eyes and to comprehend with your brain this simple NOT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND passage:

Rev 1: 8, 17-18 “I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty...., And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST I AM HE THAT LIVETH AND WAS DEAD ; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death

JUST READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER 1, IT NEEDS NO 4TH GRADER TO SEE ALPHA & OMEGA IS THE ONE WHO WAS DEAD(pardon me but i must use big bold font TO HELP YOU GET OUT OF STUPIDITY)

And if any muslims still wanna argue that The Alpha&Omega is not Jesus nor The First & The Last here's the verse to close the case

Rev 22:13,16 ;I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST the Beginning and the End....I, JESUS have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Here's the analogy: A Sunni obviously would not believe on the truthfulness of A SENTENCE IN DAEEF HADITH THIS IS FAIR! BUT DESPITE OF ITS UNTRUTHFULNESS IT WILL BE SO TOTALLY RETARDED IF A SUNNI DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SENTENCE WITHIN THE DAEEF HADITH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS SHOWN IN FRONT OF HIS VERY NAKED EYES !!

IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU ADMITTING WHETHER IT'S TRUTHFUL OR NOT BUT INSTEAD IT'S ABOUT WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN OR NOT !

{{Nothing in Revelation 1....... shows that Jesus is our Creator}}
To make such a statement about Revelations 1 is just simply idiotic even for a Fourth Grader

Andrew said...

O dear Osama "clearly Trinity is man made". Let's go to Genesis 1:26 "Let us create mankind in our image, in our likeness. .." the word for God is Elohim. Its plural. How about John 1:1 "in the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the word was God.

Tom said...

@ Luther-Carlo Suvu

I totally agree with you, muslims when cornered they will throw up distractions...we should be aware of their desperate attempt to get away when they are being exposed of their sheer stupidity and total disregard of the correct rendering of our text.

Trevor said...

@ Osama you said: “Nothing in Revelation 1 or anywhere in the Bible shows that Jesus is our Creator.”

I think you know better than that, e.g. John 1:1-3, 14. Colossians 1:16-17. Titus 1:13. 1 Timothy 3:16. 1 Corinthians 15:19 and Revelation 1:11

@ Osama you said: “Clearly Trinity is man-made. It is not something that GOD Almighty is associated with.”

Osama, explain to us exactly who this God of yours is.

It is obviously not the same triune God of the Bible, which can be easily understood, provided we look at the whole story.

The basic foundation of the doctrine of the triune God is plainly laid out for us throughout the Scriptures when it talks of earthly or heavenly powers and authorities.

Any office of authority which has the title of ‘governor’, ‘prince’, ‘king’, ‘prime minister’ ‘president’ etc. imparts that title on the present occupier of that office. Whoever occupies and serves in the office of governor or king carries and is addressed by the title ‘governor’ or ‘king’.

And the Scriptures plainly tell us that there is one single highest office of authority in heaven (called ‘throne’ in the Scriptures) which has the title of ‘God’ and that there are three equal Persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) who equally occupy this highest office and who therefore equally have the highest title of ‘God’. That is the only way to make any seemingly difficult and contradictory verses in the Bible easily agree and flow together, and without altering their structure or plain meaning.

This can readily be shown by using any of these most seemingly difficult and contradictory verses. For example, verses where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit address one another as ‘God’, or where they address themselves as ‘God’. E.g. the Father says to the Son:

But to the Son He (the Father) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever” Hebrews 1:8

Jesus, the Son, says: “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46

“I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.” John 20:17

“…by the Spirit of God” Matthew 12:28

The Holy Spirit says through (2 Peter 1:21) David:

“For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord [the Father] said to my Lord [the Son], “Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’ Mark 12:36

Jesus also says in Matthew 4:4 “…but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” which at different times is the word of either the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21) e.g. in 2 Samuel 23:2, or Jesus Himself, who is the “Lord your God” of the Old Testament (Matthew 23:37; John 8:58) and our Creator (John 1:1-14; Colossians 1:16), or the Father “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:17.

In light of those verses there is also no problem in clearly understanding John 1:1 which tells us that the ‘Word’ is the Creator who is Christ and that He is both with God, and is God.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Christ sits at the right hand of the Father on the same seat of power or ‘throne’ and always has (John 17:5), except for the short time during His earthly ministry (e.g. Philippians 2:6-8 and Luke 22:27 “Yet I am among you as One who serves”) for the purpose of dying for the worlds sins (John 3:16). As He says:

“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” John 17:5

Some will point to verse 3 as if that would somehow negate verse 5, but there, as in other places, Christ is actually saying that He is on the same level as, and at one with the Father.

“…that they may know You [the Father], the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

Trevor said...

And there are also some who point to verses like Deuteronomy 6:4 to argue that God is just a single Person rather than a triune Godhead.

“Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!”

But in focusing only on the polytheistic element of this verse or attributing it only to polytheism, they miss the overall main point that Moses was making. Deuteronomy 6:4 (and 4:35, 39) is simply in regard to Israel being admonished by Moses for their tendency to worship multiple gods and idols and worshiping any or all of them collectively as ‘God’, as he explains in previous verses (Deuteronomy 4:16-19, 25-28). Moses is warning Israel not to worship multiple gods or idols, which have multiple levels or offices of authority, in the place of the one true office of God (Deuteronomy 5:7) occupied by the “Lord your God”, or Lord of Hosts, who is Christ, the Messenger in Malachi 3:1, who is the true God of heaven and earth (Deuteronomy 4:39 and as also shown in Isaiah 43:11; 45:21, 22). And as far as the Lord of Hosts/Christ was concerned, Israel was to focus on Him alone at that point (and He alone being the Savior), since the Father and the Holy Spirit were to be more clearly revealed by Him later in history when He was manifested in the flesh (1Timothy 3:16) as Jesus Christ, i.e. “He who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9) and “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you.” (John 14:26).

Osama, the triune God is all through the Scriptures of the Bible, from beginning (Genesis 1:26-27, 3:22) to end, and your Koran says that this Book is the incorruptible word of God, e.g.

“Let the people of the Gospel (Christian scriptures) judge according to what Allah has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not judge according to Allah’s revelations.” 5:47

“Proclaim what has been revealed to you from the Book (Christian and Jewish scriptures) of your Lord. None can change his words. You shall find no refuge besides him.” 18:27

“Should I (Mohammed) seek a judge other than Allah when it is He who has revealed the Book for you with all its precepts? Those to whom we gave the Scriptures know that it is the truth revealed by your Lord. Therefore have no doubts.” 6:114-115

But then the Koran contradicts itself when it denies Christ’s divinity, death, resurrection and the triune God.

Alexandre Jorge said...

As usual this forum is full of islamophobes and Christian fundamentalist who knows nothing about Islam. I repeat that there is not a singke verse anywhere in the Bible where Jesus himself said " wordhip me" or " i am god".....None!

Moose ouma said...

@Alexandre Jorge, You don't get to tell anybody which verses are there and which ones are not there, rather keep quiet and be shown.

Malachi 3:1 "I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

This verse and many more prove beyond doubt that Jesus is God Almighty. Let me know just in case you need another one.