Monday, November 23, 2015

Holy Books of Peace? David Wood and Shabir Ally in the Chattanooga Times Free Press

Before our debates in Chattanooga (see here and here), the Chattanooga Times Free Press invited Shabir and me to submit articles on our views. Here are the articles:


Osama Abdallah said...

America's two most wanted! LOOLLL :). No, nice pictures :).

David Wood said...

Hi Osama. When are your debates with Sam? And what are the topics?

Unknown said...

I hope Dr. Sahbir Ally comprehended complete Bible by reading all 66 books of the Bible before blaming Bible for making extremists, as Dr. Wood blame Quran by citing surah and its interpretation from Quran and Hadith in meaningful way to blame Quran.

I hope it will be interesting debate in bringing PEACE all over the world as God wanted by incarnation of Jesus Christ two millenniums ago by bringing light in the dark world. Good luck!

Sandi said...

I grew up in Chattanooga, hope you'll have some time to do a little sightseeing. It's a truly beautiful area, historic too. Wish I could see you in person, I know it will be great!

Osama Abdallah said...

Hi David,

I was told "soon" by George Siege. I haven't heard back yet about the date, but I am sure it's coming up.

As to the topics, they are:

1- The Islamic view of Jesus Christ: Consistent or Contradicting?
2- Was Prophet Muhammad a terrorist?

Please feel free to jump in with two additional debates. If George can't find a location in Chicago, maybe we can debate in the same Church that you, me and CL debated in last time in MI.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Unknown said...

what church is that, I Live In MI

id love to see you get destroyed by david in my neck of the woods like your buddy shabir.

Btw: why havent you debated David or sam on what the quran says about the holy bible.


Unknown said...

Osama Abdallah,

Your 2nd topic is interesting and I am interested to know how you present your prophet Muhammad as savior for mankind not as a terrorist as people think after seeing all these killings. Please make argument with substance and with logic to make debate interesting and enjoyable. Mere believing everything as word of your Allah without rational justification does not give any sense to your readers. Please remember that Christians believe Jesus not because He said so in the Bible like Muhammad did to you in Quran, but because of His miraculous works in consistence with total Bible from 1st book Genesis to last book Revelation. Total Bible makes sense to believe Jesus is the Lord. What about Muhammad???

David Wood said...


I won't be in Michigan anytime soon. What do you think about Virginia? We could set it up in a big church there.

You proposed a debate on my recent video. That would be the first one.

You said I could propose a second topic. I propose: "Does the Quran Affirm the Inspiration, Preservation, and Authority of the New Testament Gospels?"

Osama Abdallah said...

Hi David,

Sounds good. I accept debating in Virginia or anywhere. Please work it out with George if he and Sam would be willing to go there. Please try to have it on weekends as I do work on weekdays. I would make an exception and take time off from work, but I would much rather for it to be on the weekend.

Thank you,
Osama Abdallah

Unknown said...

Dear David,
Would you please make a video on the reliability of New Testament in being the inspired word of God and being perfectly preserved since the first centuries? It would be of great use for Christians around the Globe, and for my Youth Group. Would you please check out the videos at your leisure and say if they are theologically correct??
Prayers and regards,

Unknown said...

Every time I encounter muslim who questions about the violence in OT , I always bring up the Physical Manifestation of Glory of God Argument.

Islam since its birth from Muhammad’s time has never experienced any display of physical manifestation of God’s Glory in front of the whole nation, in fact this theme is seemingly ‘foreign’ for them because unlike Jehova-God who manifested His glory and holiness in front of the whole nation of Israel yet Allah’s manifestation of glory appears to be just some other fairy-tale mythical paganistic story being told by Muhammad especially since the only witness for any manifestation is none other than Muhammad himself.

Jehova-God manifested His presence clothed Himself by thick Pillar of cloud during the day and of fire during the night stretch down PHYSICALLY from the sky to accompany the nation of Israel.

Jehova-God Himself revealed fully His Holiness and Glory at Mount Sinai both in a very majestic and terrifying way IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE NATION OF ISRAEL (Hebrew 12:18-21, …….a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear ).

Hence even after God had limited His Glory unto the Tabernacle only, still His Pillars of cloud and fire PHYSICALLY present and seen by the whole nation, there were practically no sophisticated faith needed at all to believe in God SINCE GOD DISPLAYED HIS PRESENCE SO PHYSICALLY IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE NATION’S NAKED EYES.

Now, for anyone who had dared to disobey or even questioned any command from the Living Holy God who manifest His Glory in such an obvious PHYSICAL WAY in front of all the people would’ve been certainly a direct transgression toward God’s Divinehood

For me IN THIS CONTEXT I dare to say, it’s no problem for how much human God orders us to kill or whether it’s an infant, elderly nor pregnant woman when the order is being given within such Glorious Physical Manifestation because the consequence for disobeying His command IN THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION is absolutely fatal. (And I’m not talking about ‘some little miracle’ here but instead a condition where God physically revealed His presence gloriously)

As example, unfortunately one of Aaron’s grandson was strike death by God’s own holy fire in the Tabernacle not because of some major huge moral sins such as adultery, lying and etc but only because of being disrespectful for wrongly violate the ceremonial procedure(some interpret with bit little arrogance) within the sacred rooms of the Tabernacle.

PLEASE NOTICE ! any command to annihilate some nations in OT was given under such Physical Manifestation of God’s Glory IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE NATION and not some hidden revelation received by solely one person nor some exclusive group. And this is what distinguishes Judeo-Christianity from Islam nor any other satanic cult.

Unknown said...

**The order to annihilate the Amalek happened because in the middle of God’s wondrous display of His PHYSICAL PRESENCE the Amalek attacked the Israelite, from God’s perspective this is a direct challenge and transgression toward His Divinehood & honor and for this sin whole nation of Amalek was stated unto annihilation and this order had remained even unto the time of Saul.

**Jehova-God had ‘indirectly warned’ all the Canaanite tribes (Amorites,Hitites etc) by sending calamities over them in advance way far before the conquest , [Exodus 23:27-28, I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run. 28 I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way ], but then even THE DISPLAY OF HIS PRESENCE through Pillar of Cloud&Fire which accompanying the Israelite for 40 years in the desert before conquering Canaan SHOULD'VE BEEN ENOUGH TO WARN the Canaanite, since the Pillar of Cloud&Fire itself was certainly a huge miraculous phenomenon that was so impossible to be missed by the surrounding nations ESPECIALLY WHEN IT HAD BEEN OCCURRING DAILY FOR 40 YRS .

Therefore any refusal from the Canaanites to move from their land even after seeing such unbelievable miracle and experiencing unusual calamities is just a sign of HARDENED HEART AND REJECTION TOWARD THE POWER OF A LIVING GOD.

What I’m saying here many analyze the conquest of Canaan from humanistic point of view (less or no miracle at all). The annihilation or even ‘genocide’ (if anyone wants to call it) was happened WITHIN AN EXTRAORDINARY CONDITION OF EXTREME MIRACULOUS PHENOMENON and not some ordinary human effort to conquer another.

**Jehova-God out of His justice and mercy moreover had purposely withhold and restricted the Israelite for around 400yrs from occupying the Canaan land not until the wickedness of Canaan people would be available to be judged [Genesis 15:16, In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure].

**Unlike Islam whom being told to CONQUER&SUBJUGATE ALL THE WORLD, The Israelite were given boundaries by God concerning their territory and even to live in peace (unless being attacked first) with other nations such as the Moabites , Amonites, Kenites, Midianites etc. This means the order for the Israelite to conquest within the OT is very contextual because it was applied on specific time which is around three thousand years ago, on specific place (God arrange a border to the Israelite), to make friends w/ neighboring nations (which were pagan nations btw) and to conquest some other ancient nations(so ancient that they’re practically cannot be found anywhere in this present time).

Although Jehova-God often manifested Himself within the Holy of holiest of the Tabernacle but after Moses’s time God had not manifested His Glory with similar intensity toward the whole nation(eg.Physical Pilar of Cloud&Fira) except in one particular case when Solomon inaugurated the Temple Mount(1 Kings 8:10-11). Every so called ‘genocide’ from Joshua’s time and so on had been conducted just to obey the SPECIFIC previous order.

OT is so different from Islamic ordinance in this matter because:

1. NO ANY Extraordinary Miraculous Phenomenon of God Revealing Himself was seen by the whole Islamic nation when Allah was ordering the ordinance to conquest.

2. NO strong basis to argue that Allah & Muhammad’s order to subjugate all the world and establish Sharia by the sword(if peaceful approach is refused) was implemented contextually in those present time only and not intended to be implemented in this present day.

m s said...

Where can I find the octagon of spinelessness video?

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