Friday, October 9, 2015

Debate: Is the Qur'an a Book of Peace? (Shabir Ally vs. David Wood)

Many Muslims insist that the Qur'an promotes peace and religious tolerance, and they quote verses of the Qur'an to justify their position. However, other Muslims claim that the Qur'an calls for the violent subjugation of unbelievers, and they also quote verses of the Qur'an to justify their position. Who's right? Can we reconcile the Qur'an's peaceful commands with its violent commands?

In this fast-paced debate, Shabir Ally argues that the Qur'an is a book of peace, while David Wood argues that it isn't.

19 comments:

Unknown said...

Great Job, David.

My name is Alexandre. I'm from Brazil. I'm also a great fan of yours.

Your victory is inquestionable. Even Shabir knows he lost this one.

To be honest, I had never seen him be defeated like that.

God bless you.

Gazza Sloane said...

Watched this one earlier today and I couldn't believe what Shabir was saying. It sounded like "basically we have no idea what these verses mean because 1) Allah didn't communicate it clearly and 2) none of the Hadith can give us a clear understanding of the verse either"

Does Shabir not like crossfire sections before concluding statements? Those are my favourite parts of the debate.

HERETOSERVE said...

I have seen at least a dozen a debates with Shabir Ally, and held him in high esteem among Islamic debaters. Until tonight. David clearly won the debate. Or, should I say the Truth. I lost all respect for Shabir when he accused David Wood of basically reveling in the murder and rape of the innocent at the hands of terrorists. David, in his rebuttal reiterated Shabir's comment verbatim, in a way that obviously pointed to the absurdity of such a comment.
Shabir, in his five minute close had the audacity and deceit to then make the claim that David was confessing to such a position. Shabir, if you read this, it was at that moment I lost all respect for you, and it was at that point, you in effect, conceded the debate. To God, through Jesus Christ be glory that the truth about the false religion and cult of Islam was made manifest during these debates. I want to say thank you David, his team, and thank you for his beautiful wife and children for supporting the cause of Christ.

Ry said...

Thank you Heretoserve. Ibn Ishaq recorded little evidence of widespread acceptance of Mohammed’s message in Mecca, when argument was used in the absence of weapons; and Christians have good reason to question whether the message of Islam would have outlasted Mohammed without the use of weapons.
We may be glad that many of today’s acts of violence are being brought to the attention of the public – in the hope that this will afford some protection to future potential victims. We are dismayed, however, not only at the horrible suffering of our Christian brothers and sisters and other minorities, but that the threat of violence is affecting what we are being taught and not taught; in the 21st century as much as down the ages.

Philip Thomas said...

Shabir clearly lost this debate.With his flimsy arguments he was not able to prove that Quran advocates peace.Conveniently he ignores the authentic and well accepted islamic sources and quotes some mediocre modern orientalists.In islamic countries he will be considered as an heretic for rejecting the hadiths and earliest tafsirs.He brings Samson's story to side track the violence the muslims had perpetrated throughout the islamic history.He is Islam's sophisticated thaqqiah artist.
Bro David Wood was absolutely honest in his approach toward the topic of the debate.He made it clear with the Quran and supportive hadths and tafsirs that Quran is full of violent verses.Bravo Bro David.

Matt Stone said...

Well done David, there was absolutely no question you won that debate hands down. It was evident Shabir Ally was incredibly desperate throughout, especially at the end. Your debates always help give me answers to the main rebuttals my Muslim friends throw at me, whenever I debate with them. Keep debating David, you inspire a lot of people.

m s said...

shabir says sufis are peaceful??? i beg to differ. See for example, http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

chris J said...

I got a shock to see how Shabir spinned Surah 9 29. He was really desperate.
Well done David and God bless you. I feel your debate with Shabir will indeed encourage more apologist in the world.

hellosnackbar said...

The dogma of the Koranus is one of murder and mayhem!

Tom said...

I always thought the early muslims sources were "created" in a desperate attempt by muslims to assist the babble that is in the koran... and Shabir just brushed aside those early muslim sources you quoted as "fabrications" and I had looked at the hadiths being founded on "chinese whisper" method as basically a joke and Shabir confirmed that!
The phrase, "caught between a rock and a hard place" comes to mind!

Shabir, did a good job of proofing islam is the antithesis of Christianity!

Radical Moderate said...

What? Did he really that?

"Some Muslim scholars will agree with him [David], some classical scholars ... but is David siting them as HIS Scholars. Whereas some NON Muslim scholars... this is not the idea of abrogation..." (Begging around 47:00)

So we should believe NON muslim scholars and not MUSLIM scholars as to what the Quran means?

Did someone forget to tell Shabir Ally that he is a MUSLIM SCHOLAR.

Sancho Panza said...

A tour de force. David marshaled his facts and logic masterfully. A floundering Shabbir was left clutching at straws. Way to go, David.

Lyan said...

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Farhan Qureshi said...

Wow Dave excellent presentation/argumentation!! And you were really nice in how you presented it too :-) really impressed with the break down and arguments though!!!

taomeano said...

David, this debate with Shabir Ally has really propelled you to the summit of all christian apologists who debate moslems. What impresses me about you is your ability to stay calm in the midst of outright deceptions by Shabir and still present your points with such precision and humility. David you may not know this but for those of us whom you have inspired confidence in our interactions with moslems, it is very obvious that the Spirit of God is all over you.

If Shabir will be honest, he will leave Islam because you demonstrated very strongly that Islam is a completely false religion. What has baffled me is how an intelligent Phd like Shabir can fall for such idiocy as Islam, my only conclusion is that he suffers from the malaise described in 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.

God bless you and keep up the good work.

Paul Rantau said...

Perhaps Shabir Ally intentionally disregarded the fact that Allah also changed or abrogated the direction of prayer (the Qiblah) from Al Quds (Jerusalem) to Mekkah.

christ follower said...

Very impressive brother David you are clearly Islam very well in our day by day life .you are making so much easy to understand by us this religion which now their scholar like shabir also questioning their scholarships about islam.
God bless you

Angela Smith said...

My husband and I recently discovered your videos. Thank you for helping to equip us to be able to speak truth. Everyone is afraid to confront the elephant in the room. you confronted it Amazingly showing you have a clear understanding of how the Muslim world thinks. I don't think people realize how different the culture is. Breaking through the conspiracies, rituals, and superstitions is a daunting task. I wish more people would catch on!

aravinda gunawardana said...

http://quranx.com/3.151