Thursday, June 4, 2015

Aisha Describes the Treatment of Women in Islam

Muslims in the West often claim that Islam promotes women's rights. Muhammad's wife Aisha, however, said that she never saw any woman suffer as much as Muslim women.

Here's the passage:
Sahih al-Bukhari 5825—Narrated Ikrima: Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah's messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”
Notice that the story is about a woman whose Muslim husband beat her until her skin turned green. Aisha takes the woman to Muhammad, hoping that he would deal with the problem. But instead of punishing or even rebuking the woman's husband, Muhammad instead criticizes the woman who was being beaten. No wonder Aisha says that Muslim women are treated worse than pagan women.

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Anonymous said...

My husband and I have daughters, both those born to us and those given into our care. That a man should raise his hands against one of them is unthinkable, that he should ignore his responsibility to protect them from the abuse of others is unconscionable...but that a teaching exists in any religious text to say both actions are permissible under certain circumstances is Satanic! This is not a exaggeration for effect, this is a factual statement. Only Satan himself, the Father of lies, could convince man to write a rule which permits men to beat the women given to love them (albeit with a toothbrush!?!) and convince them that this is the will of their god.

Shame upon any father, shame upon any mother who raises their daughters to think that they are anything less than unique and wonderful creations deserving of the highest respect from all men.

Psychologists teach that we allow ourselves to be loved to the extent that we believe ourselves worthy of. I wonder if this why women stay in Islam? Because they have been taught that this is the extent of their worth?

TPaul said...

@Paige"...I wonder if this why women stay in Islam? Because they have been taught that this is the extent of their worth? ..."
True that! Allah has no regard for woman, because the entire Koran is addressed to Muslim men, woman are but "tilith" for their husbands, who can go into them whenever and however they please, and he has fully sanction to beat them if they are disobedient.... Really? We are talking of humans here but Allah equates women tho property and slaves who have absolutely no say before their masters....

I often wonder why Muslim women secretly do not apostate from this misogynistic cult of hate, or teach their children not to follow Islam.

Anonymous said...

I have worked with both men and women who've suffered domestic abuse. There is something I've come to know as "the fog" that surrounds their minds when they are in those situations. This 'fog' warps and diminishes their normal sense of reasoning and normal healthy triggers until they create entirely new realities with new rules to govern it.

Partners can be bruised and bleeding and will still tell you that their abusive partner really loves them. This belief requires a warp reality for it to be true. Abusive partners carve these worlds out in the minds of their victims, keeping the fog in place by making promises about tomorrow, offering rewards for good behaviour (which is ultimately not telling anyone about the abuse) and reminding their victims of their previous vows.

Extrapolate this out for women in Islam who are taught these lies from infancy, and you have a collective fog that is supported systemically by not just one abuser, but millions. There is always, however, a way out and will must help those people find it.

Jan Van said...

Should be : Bukhari 72.715

Kind regards Jan van Eechoud

Unknown said...

I'm a caucasion american woman. I don't think there is any "warp". I can easily describe what's happening.

I grew up in a household where my mother was adbused by my stepfather. Then I was married to an abuser, and left him 20 years ago. My daughter got into a relationship with an abusive man in her teens, and got out, and my son just divorced his abusive wife.

Why so much in one family? Because abusers choose certain personality types. They need someone that has faith in humanity. That always follows through on promises, that always tell the truth, and that has a strong guilt conscience, and hidden strength.

The abuser in the beginning speaks of doubts of "any" man/woman being faithful. They pull a promise from the victim that they will be. They do the same for honesty. And "Im so afraid a woman/ man is going to give up on me and abandon me" which extracts more promises of " never giving up".

A relationship follows. The abuser argues, because they have "doubts". Then apologize, and show weakness "I'm sorry, im just so scared, I feel like I can't handle the fear of losing you" followed by the water works.

Eventually, it becomes violent. But the victim has already been primed, they are used to apologies. They know the abuser is actually a weak and tormented soul. And they feel that love, true love, that won't abandon them, can make them grow to have faith again. The victim just had to be strong enough to see them through. To show the abuser that he is lovable, that he can't chase her away. That love will conquer all. And of course, the victim would never want to go back on their word. They have a sense of " I'm strong enough to pull us through. I can fix this"

It had nothing to do with low self esteem. If anything, its an overwhelming belief in yourself, and an exaggerated belief in your abilities.

The abused don't stay because they are being weak. They stay because they are being strong. Because they realize just how weak that pitiful soul is, and they believe in crazy things like compassion, forgiveness, and love.

But, now that I think about it, to some people those ideas do represent a "warped mind"

We all have very good self esteem. That's why we all overcame. So why did it happen to us? Because I raised them alone since they were 1 and 3. And I instilled honest, integrity, and compassion into their personalities as well.

How did we get out? I have an IQ of 147. My sons is 145, and idk my daughters, but she's not stupid. We realized after a bit that this wasn't just a broken soul that needed mending. It was a violent person that can't be changed. Took a few years for each of us to give up on our hope, and our pride, and mainly, to be willing to beak a promise for the first time in or lives. But we were too smart to not learn.

Unknown said...

Islam has all these personality traits, and the accusations built in. The Qur'an itself advisers women of being wicked. Of being promiscuous. They raise these children to try their best to refute these accusations. They spend their lives trying to "prove they aren't like that". They raise these woman to believe that men are weak, and have no self control. And shouldn't have to. Women should have the self control for them.

Think about it. American men must set up the trap, and coerce a woman into it. Muslim women are born in that trap.

And these women have had to endure centuries of abuse. Only the strong survive. Poor genetics probably couldn't procreate, and got weeded out. This is just a guess, but if muslim women ever get out from under the oppression, I would not pick fights with them. From Darwin's perspective, they probably have more health and physical strength than I care to tussle with.

Anonymous said...

You people, civilized people, people of research, westerners! I wonder the way you treat the texts. and the way you try to impose your ideas. I've read the Sirah and Ahadith. The only thing i could never come up with is that!!!! .
Why are you trying to mislead people then?
Do you think that trinity is so logical for one to bear in mind?
Return to what Allah has revealed, if you don't, I warn you of a awful punishment.
so, If you don't, Wait, for sure, we are waiting .... .
peace be upon those who follow guidance.

Unknown said...

For a prophet with divine knowledge Muhammad sure was ignorant. Just because she had two sons doesnt mean the man satisfied her sexually and it is not evidence he is not impotent since sperm swim and impotent men can ejaculate.

Unknown said...

At least now you know why muslims don't let their wife and kids come to Europe for safety... because they would very likely convert to Christianity if they were to learn how kind Christians are.

My mother used to study religions in her old age, and she always taught me, although I once defied her suggestion: "Do not fall for Islam's lies. The religion and whole culture is meant for grown men. You lose your touch in humanity as woman there. No one will treat your rights as mandatory, and you die for one single sin. Why kill yourself for selfish religion, when you can live and learn in peace with Jesus, who after all, defied God's will and saved future of humanity from eternal hell, which was making their vicious circle in jews and muslims side. He sacrificed the last half of his father's heritage, so that those, who prayed for God's forgiveness through Jesus, would have a chance to be forgiven."

Call it silly, but I believe that our God may, or may not be just God. He has been cruel in times of Jew. He once brought in immense flood of from which defiled men and women (which may as well be us, too, if not for Jesus) drowned in and the remaining family of humans and every pair of animals survived to repopulate and push mankind in new big start. The Babel Tower, that could've united the whole race into one language, one domination and peace. God did not find this good enough and made people talk different languages. I think it might also lead to diversity of religions then, perhaps now too?
You might hate me for this, but I believe Islam had more earlier religious status, before Mohammed. If only the books of possible unfound records weren't found, we would probably know bit more of long lost world history beyond 1400 years
I also believe the big flood was somewhat related to Ice age, but that is for self research.
I've been atheist since I was 10. My both parents then didn't have joined any particular religion, so my learnings of religions were really minimal... maybe reason I had keen interest in learning more of all of religions, and their possible relation to other.