Wednesday, May 13, 2015

Lindsay Lohan, the Qur'an, and Women in Islam

Earlier this year, Lindsay Lohan posted Qur'an verses on Instagram:

More recently, she was seen carrying a copy of the Qur'an:

Since Lindsay is probably new to Islam, I thought I'd help her by providing a brief outline of Islam's teachings about women.

FACT #1: The Qur’an allows (or, perhaps, commands) men to beat their wives into subservience. If a wife doesn’t listen to her husband, the husband should admonish her. If that doesn’t work, he is to make her sleep in a separate bed. However, if the wife still doesn’t respect her husband’s authority, the husband is told to physically abuse her:
Qur'an 4:34—Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret what Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.
FACT #2: According to Muhammad, women lack common sense because their minds are deficient:
Sahih Muslim 142—[Muhammad said]: O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense.

Sahih Al-Bukhari 2658—The Prophet said: "Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said: "Yes." He said: "This is because of the deficiency of her mind."
FACT #3: Muhammad offered women little hope for the afterlife. Indeed, he clearly states that most of the inhabitants of hell are women who were ungrateful to their husbands (though he never suggests that ungrateful husbands will receive similar punishment). This means that, after being admonished, banished to a separate bed, and beaten by her husband, a willful woman can look forward to an eternity in hell:
Sahih Al-Bukhari 1052—The Prophet said: "I saw paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked: "O Allah’s Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet said: "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said: "They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds."

Sahih Al-Bukhari 1462—[Muhammad said], "O women! Give to charity, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women." The women asked, "O Allah’s Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He said: "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious man astray."
However, even if these women were to stop cursing and to start thanking their husbands, their prospects for the afterlife would still leave much to be desired. According to Muhammad, Muslim women can look forward to an eternity of standing in corners, waiting for men to come and have sex with them:
Sahih Al-Bukhari 4879—Allah’s Apostle said: "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them."
FACT #4: The Qur’an permits Muslims to have sex with their female captives and slaves (i.e. those "whom their right hands possess"). As the Muslim armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from Allah to guide them in their treatment of their female captives:
Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—Those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur'an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—Those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—For their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—For (then) they are not to be blamed.
The Muslim practice of having sex with captured women is reported often in the Hadith, where we find Muslims perplexed about what to do with their captives. It wasn’t long before Allah sent a revelation allowing the confused soldiers to sleep with the women:
Sahih Muslim 3432—Allah’s Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (4:24)" (i.e. they were lawful for them when their Idda period came to an end).

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih Al-Bukhari 4138—We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Sahih Muslim 3384—Jabir bin Abdullah reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.
FACT #5: Islam promotes sex with prepubescent girls.

According to Islam's most trusted sources, Muhammad had sex with his child-bride Aisha when she was only nine years old:
Sahih al-Bukhari 3896—Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Al-Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he wrote the marriage (wedding) contract with Aishah when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5158—Narrated Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Muslim 3310—Aisha reported: Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim 3311—Aisha reported that Allah’s Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

Sunan Abu Dawud 2116—Aishah said: The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old. (The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years.) He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.
The Qur'an justifies the marriage by declaring that Muslim men are allowed to have sex with prepubescent girls. According to Surah 2:228, if a Muslim man wants to divorce his wife, he should wait until she has gone through three monthly cycles (i.e., three periods) in order to make sure that she isn't pregnant. But the question later arose: What about wives who do not have monthly cycles? How long should their husbands wait to divorce them? The Qur'an answers this question in Surah 65:4, where it gives divorce rules for (1) women who do not have monthly cycles because they are too old, (2) girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are too young, and (3) women and girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are pregnant. The verse declares that, if Muslim men want to divorce girls who haven't yet reached puberty, they must wait three months (after having sex with them). The verse reads:
Qur'an 65:4—And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.
In case there is confusion about the meaning of this verse, here are three classic Muslim commentaries on 65:4:
Tafsir Ibn Kathir—Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah [see 2:228]. The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn—And [as for] those of your women who (read allà'ï or allà'i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months.

Tafsir Ibn Abbas—(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.
Hence, if Lindsay Lohan wants to be a sincere Muslimah, she will need to acknowledge (1) that husbands must beat rebellious wives into submission, (2) that women are intellectually inferior to men, (3) that women's prospects of reaching paradise are slim, (4) that Muslim men are free to rape their female captives, and (5) that it is perfectly acceptable for grown men to have sex with prepubescent girls. If Lindsay is willing to grant (1)-(5), she may actually have enough faith to be a Muslim.

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Nojmul Huda said...

Now I know Muhammad, Allah and Quran and find sense why all these killings are happening now by the name of Muhammad and his Allah, thanks David Wood for his educational presentation with videos, news and Quranic surah about truth of Islam.

I wonder how educated/good Muslims (like Lindsay), some are even scientists still keep faith on Muhammad and his Allah seeing all these killings for their life after death. We recognize a good tree from a bad one by its fruits. Don’t good Muslims, Lindsay etc. see fruits of Islam?

Islam produces few terrorists who control 1 billion Muslims’ faith. They are saints of Islam like our saints of Christian e.g. Peter, Paul etc. whose teachings guide Christianity till today. Most of Madrassahs are breeding grounds for terrorists and for fear of them good Pakistani Muslims keep quite. This is the power of Devil, few terrorists can control mass.

This reminds me power of Devil who even came to Jesus Christ to control Him and attempted Him 3 times to overpower Him. I wonder what would happen if Jesus Christ would jump from the pinnacle of the temple according Mathew 4:5 believing God would save Him from death. Muslims kills another Muslims believing qur’anic surah that their Allah would keep them in heaven with lots of beautiful angels to marry. Is this Holy God or Devil Muslims are following?

Terri Sellay said...

Every bit of this is true. Muslims can deny it all they want to but it's still all true.

How anyone can try and justify a 54 year old man having sex with a 9 year old little girl is just sick in the head. They are severing there consciences. Wrong has become right and right has become wrong.

And what woman in there right mind would want to go to Muslim paradise? She has to share her husband with other women for eternity.

She is nothing special, all she is there for is to service him in between his messing around with the um I mean huris..

And I don't understand why they are told to not drink, don't commit adultery only to turn around and drink not just Bottles of wine but RIVERS of wine have as much carnal pleasures with young boys, women etc etc..

This is crazy

akairey said...

as all the great evidence you provide...i have sympathy for the ignorance of islamic women who are trapped in that religion.

Kristi Ann J said...

The FALSE PAGANISM OCCULT-IDEOLOGY of islam is NOT a religion!! The FALSE PAGAN moon god allah is NOT a god!! The FALSE prophet muhammad was a PEDOPHILE / CHILD MOLESTER / RAPIST / RACIST / FASCISM / MURDERER of Jews and Christians!!


Always pray USA and Israel-Yisrael NOW ( )!! The YESHUA-JESUS CHRIST is the WAY, the TRUTH and LIFE, NO one comes unto the FATHER, but through ME ( YESHUA-JESUS CHRIST )Thus: YESHUA-JESUS CHRIST is the only WAY to enter into HEAVEN!!

Am Yisrael Chai, Yeshua Adonai FOREVERMORE!! Baruch Hashem-Yahweh-YHWH BLESS Ye All Everyone Forever to STAND with ISRAEL-YISRAEL and our JUDEO-CHRISTIAN NATION UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

Love Always and Shalom, YSIC \o/

Kristi Anne

Blnk said...

The notion of a good muslim is pure fallacy

tactical plunger said...

Humanity is crewed people are joining a religion without having the most basic information about it

Dacritic said...

Hope this is just in time to save one more soul from the clutches of Islam. Doing our best to promote this blog.

Infidel said...

Thank Allah she converted after her shoplifting scandals, otherwise she would not have hands to hold on to the Qur'an.

Sir Lawrence said...

The Qur’an allows (or, perhaps, commands) men to beat their wives into subservience.

Right out of the gate she won't have to worry about this one! Who would want to marry the wacky pants?!?!?!

Geraldine Fonseca Chapman said...

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To condemn another one needs proof, not belief!

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paki p said...

The gates of hell are wide, for many shall pass through it. No wonder Islam is the fastest growing religion but apart from their extremely high birth rate, another major factor of this growth are African American MALES and Caucasian FEMALES.
Brother David's in-depth and detailed teaching about Islam is probably too much for an intellectually challenged person as Lindsay Lohan and tons of other western converts but I would like to request all the would be converts to Islam, to go and visit an Islamic country and see for yourself the true Islam and not some hippy ,spoon fed poopoo version of a western "taqiyya practicing" Muslim.
Jesus is Lord. God bless you all Ameen.

Sisgp said...

So David,

proof that everything you have ever said about the average female convert is true.

I can figure that she is a sad case and has not the first idea about true islam, but didn't she see them trowing gay men off buildings, or listen to Iran's president talk about them having no gays. If my memory of trash tv serve me wasn't she a lesbian once?

Go figure this seems also to be a case of Stockholm syndrome.

Rhianne Kahlimah said...

Wow you people are sad, whoever has time to twist words & take passages out of context to spread false lies is a bored person. I feel sorry for all you gullible people actually believing this bullcrap. Educate & research for yourself, Actually read the Quran & if you have sincere questions go to a mosque and ask to talk the sheikh & you'll meet other people. It's exactly like going to church. & stop confusing religion with traditional cultural practices because I bet you 100% it's forbidden in Islam. In Islam women have the right to be educated, choose who to marry, right to divorce, vote, drive etc.

David Wood said...

Rhianne said: "Wow you people are sad, whoever has time to twist words & take passages out of context to spread false lies is a bored person."

Why do so many Muslims mindlessly cry "context" without ever giving a single example of how context changes the meaning of anything I've quoted?

How about showing us the "context" that justifies these passages, Rhianne? Does the verse before "banish them to beds apart and scourge them" somehow make this a better verse? Please share!

Dzeni Zdeni said...


David Wood said...

Dzeni Zdeni,

You think it's "beautiful" that Allah tells your husband it's okay to beat you into submission, and that you're stupid, and that you'll be standing in a corner in paradise (if you don't disrespect your husband and end up in hell)?

You tell us to read about Islam from Muslims. But I quoted your god and your prophet to you. Are you saying I should believe what Muslims tell me, instead of what Allah and Muhammad say? Interesting version of Islam you believe in!

Keith said...

Haha... yea! I got my explanation of Islam from the MOST Muslim person who ever lived, the prophet of Islam himself! And that's how I came to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is God and Saviour.

Radical Moderate said...

Another one Islam can have lol

Hezkiel Feroz said...

She should born or live as a non muslim in a muslim country, then she knows what Islam is all about...I am for once born and live in that country.

jay shawn said...

Islam offers nothing for women. your worth is in your obedience to the men in your life and your virginity. Muslimas are slave to men in this life and the next.

Simon Taylor said...

Why is it that Muslims believe that Moses, Jesus and Abraham were and are in fact Muslim. Especially in light of the fact that they existed before Islam came about.

Nojmul Huda said...

“& stop confusing religion with traditional cultural practices because I bet you 100% it's forbidden in Islam. In Islam women have the right to be educated, choose who to marry, right to divorce, vote, drive etc.”- Rhianne Kahlimah

@ Rhianne,

I believe you are an educated good Muslim, Muslim by knowing truth about Muhammad and his Allah as creator not devil. I also believe that you understand meaning of your Allah’s word. In other word, you are not a parrot Muslims i.e. Muslim by blind faith like a stupid brainwashed, illiterate madrassah educated Muslim, who does not know that the earth is round.

If my assumption about you is correct, please explain why don’t you or any Muslims make David Wood fool proofing his reference from Quran is false or wrongly interpreted?

He said: “FACT #1: The Qur’an allows (or, perhaps, commands) men to beat their wives into subservience.” His supported for FACT# 1 is Qur'an 4:34. “FACT #2: According to Muhammad, women lack common sense because their minds are deficient:” His support for FACT# 2 is Sahih Muslim 142 and Sahih Al-Bukhari 2658, and so on.

We are interested to hear from you or any Muslims to proof that your Muhammad and Allah are true as you believe not a devil as we believe by seeing day to day destructions around the world done by the name of Muhammad and his Allah.

May Almighty God give slaves of Devil wisdom to understand His Kalimatullah – The True Word of Allah Taala (SWT) as written in the Injil Sharif (New Testament) and turn them from path of devil to glorify His name!

Stella Doro said...

David, you're an Idiot. Please tell me about non muslim wife beaters, child molesters (priests) school shooter's, polygamy in Utah and Texas happening in 21st century. And so many other cray stories you refer to. Who were they inspired by, who do they believe in ???? Shame on you, if we start to point fingers maybe you should start with bible first. Moron, listen to prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s last sermon recited by Yusuf Islam a.k.a Cat Stevens and see what he said about women's rights than come talk shit.

David Wood said...


We're not talking about wife-beaters or child molesters in general. This is a blog about Islam, so we're talking about what your religion commands. And your religion says that men can beat their wives into submission, rape their captives, etc. And your response is . . . Cat Stevens??? As if Cat Stevens can somehow undo what the Qur'an says? Does Cat Stevens abrogate the Qur'an? LOL! BTW, is this the same Cat Stevens who said that Salman Rushdie should be killed for making fun of Islam?

nth hult said...



So high [above all] is Allah , the Sovereign, the Truth. And, [O Muhammad], do not hasten with [recitation of] the Qur'an before its revelation is completed to you, and say, "My Lord, increase me in my knowledge."

"increase me in my knowledge." Sounds good. But as far as i understand it. Thats all about knowledge in the Quran. Not knowledge about other things like Science, Music, other religions etc. Am i right ?

Dacritic said...

David, I LOVE it when you join in the discussions! LOL.

Gazza Sloane said...

Well the keyboard warriors are out in force on this one ey David. Ok maybe 3 but still more than just Osama I guess.

I don't understand it. You give a verse, people cry context, you give context from trusted Islamic sources (if you're a Sunni that is) and still people reject it and turn to name calling.

I watched a video of Richard Dawkins taking with a Muslim and he was actually defending Christianity (in a way). They were talking about apostasy laws. Took a while for the Muslim guy to actually answer it but we got there in the end.

However the guys response was exactly, "In Islamic countries, yes, you can be killed for apostasy."

Note, Islamic countries, which basically means a Muslim majority where sharia law, Islamic law is enforced. This is why people reject Islam among many other reasons. At least free thinking people.

Sisgp said...

Muslims, you want us to read the koran, I try and try but a bigger load of incomprehensible nonsense I have never encountered before in my life.
Do YOU read the koran or just get it interpreted for you by your Imams.
We suggest you read the Ingil the New Testament, find out how Jesus treated women.

smalltallest88 said...

Rhianne Kahlimah

"In Islam women have the right to be educated, choose who to marry, right to divorce, vote, drive etc."

I guess you're not ware that Islam has the highest rate of uneducated women in the world? Come to my country and go see things yourself in the Northern part of Nigeria, go to Saudi Arabi, Pakistan and see the rate at which their women are been educated.

Women can't choose whoever they want to marry. A muslim father that knows the Quran will not allow her daughter marry Hindu, Christians, atheist etc.

Bring up a verse in the Quran or hadith that says women can divorce. Infact you can bring up any story from hadith that says a woman willing file divorce.

May your eyes be open to the truth in Jesus name

Paige said...

Dear believers in Islam,

I really do appreciate that you are shocked by some of the things you read here on this blog. I also appreciate that you are offended by the way that some contributors voice their opinion. But you are mistaken in believing that this is the result of ignorance. Many of the contributors here have read the Qu'ran hundreds of time over, studied the reliable Hadiths and learnt from some of the most notable Islamic teachers today. You are wrong to accuse most people here of ignorance for in many cases they are more educated in Islam than most Muslims.

I myself have studied Islam at a leading Islamic college under leading Islamic scholars and Imams. It is from these sources, not Christians, that I have learnt my Islamic history and how to interpret the Qur'anic verses so I do not speak from ignorance of Islam, but as one more informed than most Muslims (I received the highest grade in my degree, beating my Muslim fellow students). I believe many others here are far more informed than I am.

You are told that the opponents of Islam speak from ignorance, but that is because your guides do not want you to engage in a debate on this issues, or realize that "the context excuse" is rejected by literary scholars the world around. There are only recourse is to tell you that the opponents of Islam are uninformed infidels.

I am fairly confident that you practice a religion that is peaceable, but that is not Islam and it is not following the example of the prophet Mohammad. Read the most reliable Hadiths if you do not believe this. I am certainly very glad that you do not endorse violence, but that is your choice, it is not the teaching of Islam.

While Imams tell you that Mohammed responded as he did because of the time he was born into there are countless historical examples that tell us that other leaders in the Middle East chose diplomatic and peaceful ways to advance their causes during the time that Mohammad lived. If these peaceful choices were available to him and he chose to kill people, then it is not a cultural issue, it is a matter of preference.

There are examples of men who remained monogamous, so if Mohammad married an extended number of women, including a little girl and his daughter-in-law, then it is not a cultural issue to be taken in context of the time, it is a preference.

If we apply your context argument to Mohammad and Islam, then we come up with the fact that in the context of the time that the Qur'an was written people had choices just like they do today. Therefore when the Qur'an commands violence it does so not because that was the only way known at the time, but that was Islam's preferred way of doing things.

Again, I do understand why you want to reject the Islam that promotes violence and condones the rape of female captors, in fact I'm glad of it! But this does not change what the Qur'an and the Hadiths clearly teach and command, just as referring to context does not change the fact that there was no cultural imperative during this time to make these choices.

I do not mean to shut down your argument, but if your debate is in search of truth you can only find it by removing arguments that are clearly not true.

Derek Lambada said...

Hi David,
Given Lilo's well publicised same sex relationship(s), I feel that it might be a good idea to inform her what the Islamic position on homosexuality is.

and Stella Doro...
You do realise that the farewell sermon confirms the right of husbands to beat their wives?
It does say not to hurt them too badly 'IF THEY OBEY' (Presumably if they don't you can injure them as much as you like). It also confirms that women are little more than slaves (well prisoners actually) who should obey their husbands absolutely.

Perhaps you should check what Islam actually teaches before you 'come talk shit'.

ignatius said...

Such a conversion, if that is, in fact, what has happened, does fill me with sadness. Given her history, lindsay is certainly someone in desperate need of help. And instead of obtaining help from Christ, she goes to the ultimate parody of a religion.

Whether Christians have somehow failed her in her past, or whether she is just attracted to goof-ball movements, or whether she has found a religious foundation in her struggle with alcoholism which she did not find elsewhere, is unclear, but it is very sad nevertheless.

May God still bless her and bring her into his fold.

bam bamba said...

Great piece, David.
Lindsay Lohan is a desperate girl who is looking for solution in the wrong places. I pray that the Lord will open her eyes before it is too late.

bam bamba said...

Stella doro seems to be a blind follower of mohammed. Actually I/m not surprised because to follow mohammed you have to throw away your thinking mind.
See how the reasoning is articulated, Cat Stevens... all she needs to do is read the quran and see what it commands instead of trying deceit. The tone of her letter is very strong I hope she does not become a suicide bomber one day.

Stick man Sam said...

Lol this woman lindsay is very uneducated about islam, she thinks that consulting all religions will make her good. Islam is evil of evils.

Its funny i seen Muslims on facebook urging muslim women to spam Lindsays twitter,instagram to tell her/ beg her to convert to islam, send her "dawah videos" lol.

Its amazing and funny how converting to islam is a new trend for celebrities who are uneducated about islam.

And i hope Osama comes here to say that this was a Zionist conspiracy lolololllolol. There are already 3 Osamas in the comment

ignatius said...


That's a good, well reasoned, and loving message to Muslims. May it bear fruit and help many on the way to discovering the true source of our salvation.

Here's a little more background for Mo marrying a little girl, which you mentioned. Apparently in Roman law a girl had to reach a minimum of 12 years of age to be married. At least from the time of the Julian calendar, this meant 12 solar years, not the lunar years Aisha was subject to. There is a possibility that Aisha had only reached the age of 8 (reckoned in solar years) when Mo. consummated the marriage.

A Greek physician, Soranus, living in the 2nd century A.D., wrote a gynecology book in which he recommends that girls be at least in their 14th year of life before beginning sexual relations. Later in the book he writes that the majority of women from 15 to 40 are fit for conception.

Mohammed was either inexcusably ignorant not to have known this (having been a traveling merchant he should have been informed of such societal mores), or he just chose to ignore them. In any case, when a man claims to speak for God and sets himself up as a role model, we have a right to expect better of him than this.

For Roman law on the minimal age for marriage (apparently not always followed) see

For The book of Soranus of Ephesus, see

pp. 30-32.

ever moore said...

If lindsay lohan joins islam, she is proving what islam says about her...that she is intellectually inferior!

WhatsUpDoc said...

David, I think you need to do some more research into this. When ever I see some thing like this from a non-Muslim woman I can't help wonder that Mohammad might be on to something when he said " women are deficient in intellect".

ever moore said...

If lindsay lohan joins islam, she is proving what islam says about her...that she is intellectually inferior!

Paige said...

Dear @Sir Lawrence,

You wrote:

"who would want to marry the wacky pants?"

If we want to criticize the mistreatment of women in Islam, then we must examine our own treatment of women. You may not agree with Lindsay Lohan's choices, but by your comment you have demeaned, derided and cast her aside as if she didn't meet the mark. I will answer your question though, rhetorical though it was, and the answer is: Jesus! Jesus loves her!

I'm sure that this was not your intention to discard her like this, but there is no woman on earth that cannot, and is not, loved!

Paige said...

Dear Ignatius,

Thank you so much for your encouraging words and for those excellent resources. I've had a read and have bookmarked the material as it was so interesting and well-researched. I sincerely appreciate that you took the time to post them and hope that other readers will look into them as well.
God bless you

Paige said...

Dear WhatsUpDoc,

The argument against Islam is in no way advanced by attacking Lindsay Lohan, it is in fact diminished. Islam teaches that men have the right to physically chastise women if a man disagrees with their choices, so attacking Lindsay for her choices does not position you well to argue for the rights of women.

Nojmul Huda said...

Dear Paige,

God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is Righteous and Justice. Muhammad the self-declared Prophet of Islam also believed the same God as he claimed in Quran. But the way he discriminated women in Quran is not justice for women as righteous God in the Bible.

When God created Eve with a bone from Adam, it does not mean women are inferior to men. Muhammad an illiterate, misunderstood God’s creation and presented devil’s message favoring man for Muhammad’s own interest. In the Bible, Christians are called to love his wife as Christ loves the Church.

Believing Muhammad and Quran Lindsay acknowledged devil’s message favoring men, not true God Who is Righteous and Justice. To believe true God or Devil is her choice, Christ thru Gospel promotes God’s love for her as woman.

Paige said...

Dear Nojmul,

I'm not arguing in defense of Islam. I am a Christian. I was just pointing out that it was not appropriate to make fun of Lindsay Lohan and then criticize Islam for demeaning women.

I do apologise if I was not clear.

Raees Moosa said...

4 – And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218. 

What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. From the words of al-Nawawi. 

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him. 

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34] 

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain. 

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] 

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her. 

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A Also with regards the status of women in Islam:

Raees Moosa said...

'Paradise lies at the feet of your mother' [Musnad Ahmad, Sunan An-Nasâ’i, Sunan Ibn Mâjah]

What can be greater evidence of honoring women than this? Islam has effectively placed the ultimate reward for human beings in their devotion to their mothers.

Shaykh Ibrahîm Ibn Sâlih Al-Mahmud writes:

Treat your mother with the best companionship, then your father; because paradise is under the mother's feet. Never disobey your parents, nor make them angry, otherwise you will live a miserable life in this world and the hereafter, and your children will treat you likewise. Ask your parents gently if you need something. Always thank them if they give it to you, and excuse them if they do not, and never insist on a matter if they refuse to give you something. (Al-Mahmoud, How to be kind to your Parents, p.40)

It is related from Talhah ibn Mu'âwiyah as-Salamî who said:

I came to the Prophet and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I want to perform Jihad in the way of Allah. He asked, "Is your mother alive?" I replied, "Yes." The Prophet then said: "Cling to her feet, because paradise is there." (at-Tabarânî).

Shaykh Nidhaam Sakkijihaa comments:

Cling to her feet means to submit yourself to her, be close to her, protect her, serve her because in this is Paradise and with her satisfaction you will enjoy the good blessings of Allah. (Sakkijihaa, Honoring the Parents, p. 52)

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) showed us the importance of serving one's parents in the following narration reported by Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud:

With regards to the prophet Muhammad( peace be upon him) Marrying his wife Aisha RA was a command from God Alrighty.

Perhaps many of you know of the story Abraham(peace be upon him) had been commanded to slaughter his son Ismaeel (Peace be Upon him) and God almighty had placed a ram in Ismaeel's (Peace be upon him) position

Now I trust none of you would slaughter their sons, but we have to understand that there's Divine wisdom that we may not fully understand when it comes to a command from God Alrighty. Bit we have to trust his wisdom.

Lastly, nowhere in the Quran or hadith does it say that Muslim men are allowed to rapewomen during war, and I think you already know that's not true because you didn't give any evidence on it.

I advise everyone to please verify and understand everything they read on the Internet, especially with regards to Islam, as people who are against Islam will do anything they can to make it seem terrible but on the contrary Islam is pure and promotes love and peace.

May God grant us all the understanding

Paige said...

Dear Raeesa Moosa,

Thank you for that thoughtful and courteous contribution to the discussions on this article. You've explained your thoughts both carefully and clearly, suggesting that you do indeed seek to know the truth.

My view of men and women, and their respective roles as servants of the Most High and help-meets to each other, differs dramatically from yours however.

I draw my evidence from the nature of God Himself and from creation. As I read the creation story I learn that God made Adam and Eve in His own image. This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with external appearances (though many Muslims are led to believe that this is the Christian belief) but refers to internal qualities. The Qur'an, in a similar way agrees that when God breathed His spirit in Adam and Eve He imbued them both with a limited form of His own attributes (Qur'an 112:1-4). This is no small thing, for in all of creation no-one other than mankind was given that privilege. What this tells us about God's intention for men and women is that God designed both that they should be able to know Him.

In this early account, there is no reference that Adam had greater access to God or knew God better than Eve. There is no reference to say that God favoured Adam above Eve, or that He imbued Adam with more of His Spirit than He did Eve and if it were to be found anywhere it is here that we would find it.

Moving therefore from the premise that man is equal to woman in the ability to come to know God, how then are all man, according to Islam, positioned to be women's teachers? You may argue with the title of "teacher", but you must agree that the role of a teacher is to guide those less knowledgeable than themselves and correct them, or punish them in some form when they are disobedient.

This is the conundrum that most people come to when they hear Islamic teaching on women, for on one hand the Qur'an claims that men and women both have the breath of God breathed into them, that is, that are imbued equally with attributes that enable them to obey and follow Allah's ways. But on the other hand, you teach that men are inherently spiritually superior and more able to find that right path. It is on the basis of this belief, that a man is given the right to beat, semantics aside, his wife.

There are indeed many mysteries, but this is not one of them. Arguing that the Qur'an and some Hadiths contain verses extolling women, does not negate the fact that in Islam a women in not on equal standing spiritually with her husband.

I'm sure there are Muslim women who will contend with this statement. I know some that have spent years researching to try and make these verses go away, or shape shift into a socially acceptable modern version, but the Qur'an is what they must overcome not objections like mine.

Islam may at times extol women, but only ever within the boundaries of the limitations that have been set for her. Muslim women would argue now that those limitations were set by Allah for their good, but they must argue the veracity of that statement honestly and with a clear grasp on the devastating reality of what those limitations allow.

Diane Gordon said...

You want to know how Muslim men treat women? Go to a Muslim country. You'll find out fast.

Kay said...

number 1 - admonish means to advise not beat the crap out of someone, the only reference that the Nabi SAW made to hitting a wife is that of three blades of green soft grass and only once, reason being that it is to show that her husband is discouraged by her actions
number 2 - womans emotions are more than that of men, hence a woman is more likley to make an emaotional mistake than that of men. not all but some to that men
number 3 - woman are the stronger gender, the reason why the bukari states that there are more woman than men is because, woman teach the first values to the children in the home and are the example to there families. And do the maths on current gender totals on a global scale
number 4 - captives is the western term used during translation, what it means is that instead of slaughtering everyone as in todays time. A male soldier may take a woman captive and ask to be married to her, he is to respect, protect and provide for her as a wife, and with that marriage they are to have consensual sex
number 5 - this one also took me a while as my understanding was small minded as yours at the time. Before i continue you need to understand that in islam on marriage between a man and woman they have seven days to have sex the first time. the reason for this is that they both have to be ready. further to that in islam it is believed that when a girl gets her period for the first time she has the right , if she accepts, to get married and is seen as an adult the same as when a boy reaches puberty. You are not allowed to have non-consensual sex at anytime whatsoever. either party, woman or man can say no to a marriage, in fact it is part of the marriage ceremony that a senior member of the bride to be family needs to ask three times publicaly if she wishes to be married to that particular person, if she says no anyone of those three times the wedding is not to proceed. now coming back to the Nabi SAW having a wife at that age, he was asked by her father to marry her, he was both powerful and a rich man, it is said that he would have killed and caused war among the people of that time as he thought it to be an insult the the Nabi SAW did not want his most precious daughter as a wife. The Nabi married her but let her roam as a child and did not have sex with her until she matured and got her periods at the age of nine, they never had children which was uncommon for the time. some say that the sexsual intercourse only occured once to consimmate the marriage.

further notes:
Nojmul Huda - all suiside is deemed Garaami.e they all go straight to hell
Terri Sellay - there will only be one person for you in heaven, the one you truly loved, even if he died and you remarried. there will only be one and it will be the best version of him/her
akairey - islam is a religion of choice, you can choose not to follow it or to follow it, your call
Kristi Ann J - moon God, uummmm, God made the moon and the sun and everything else, muslims follow the lunar calender the same like a woman periods
Blnk - there is a surah that states that no person will become muslim unless the grace of God permits them to see the purity and beauty, its not for everyone :(
Infidel - that should not happen
paki p - I think you meant to say AMEN , AMEEN is what muslims say, meaning with the grace of GOD
Rhianne Kahlimah - by the way "banish them to beds apart and scourge them" first part if you are cross with your spouse dont have sex with them, second part flail ie show your disapproval throwing your hands in the air.

Last comment
Every atom weight of good and every atom weight of bad will be tallied on the day of judgement, every soul shall be brought before GOD on that day the believing men and believing woman.

David Wood said...

Hi Kay. Let's go through your points. We'll start with the first point, and I'll wait for you to respond.

You said: "number 1 - admonish means to advise not beat the crap out of someone, the only reference that the Nabi SAW made to hitting a wife is that of three blades of green soft grass and only once, reason being that it is to show that her husband is discouraged by her actions."

(1) The "admonish" is the first step. If that doesn't work, then comes banishment. If that doesn't work, then comes the beating. Do you really think that hitting a wife "with three blades of green soft grass" will change her mind if she hasn't responded to the first two steps?

(2) Could you provide a source for your claim that the "only" reference Muhammad made to hitting a wife is hitting her with three blades of soft green grass? I hear Muslims say this, but they never provide a source, and I've never been able to find one.

(3) You're simply wrong about Muhammad only allowing a husband to hit his wife with three soft blades of grass. Here's a passage from Sahih Muslim, in which Muhammad hits Aisha in her chest:

Sahih Muslim 2127— . . . [H]e (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? . . .

Notice that I've provided a source, whereas you haven't.

David Wood said...

(4) Here's a hadith in which a Muslim beat his wife until her skin turned green, and Muhammad didn't even rebuke him. Notice that Aisha declares that Muslim women were treated worse than pagan women. Why was that?

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825—Narrated Ikrima: Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah's messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”

David Wood said...

(5) The historical background of 4:34 is that a Muslim hit his wife in her face. Her father took her to Muhammad for judgment, and Muhammad ruled that there be retaliation against the husband. However, Muhammad then received 4:34, which gives husbands permission to beat their wives, and he ordered that there be no retaliation against the husband who hit his wife in her face. So you're telling us that the verse only allows a man to hit his wife with blades of soft grass, while Muhammad said it allows a man to hit his wife in her face. Who's right here, you or Muhammad? Here's the passage (from Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi):

(Men are in charge of women…) [4:34]. Said Muqatil: “This verse (Men are in charge of women…) was revealed about Sa‘d ibn al-Rabi‘, who was one of the leaders of the Helpers (nuqaba’), and his wife Habibah bint Zayd ibn Abi Zuhayr, both of whom from the Helpers. It happened Sa‘d hit his wife on the face because she rebelled against him. Then her father went with her to see the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. He said to him: ‘I gave him my daughter in marriage and he slapped her’. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: ‘Let her have retaliation against her husband’. As she was leaving with her father to execute retaliation, the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, called them and said: ‘Come back; Gabriel has come to me’, and Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: ‘We wanted something while Allah wanted something else, and that which Allah wants is good’. Retaliation was then suspended”.

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