Thursday, December 18, 2014

Osama Abdallah vs. C. L. Edwards: Was Muhammad a True Prophet?

Here's a recent debate between Osama Abdallah and C. L. Edwards. The topic is "Was Muhammad a True Prophet?"

42 comments:

edison prithiviraj said...

Warriors of one True GOD in JESUS MIGHTY NAME AMEN.

Osama Abdallah said...

Thank you for posting, David. I look forward to seeing our ISIS debate on your site.

Regards,
Osama Abdallah

Joseph said...

Osama, 6 minutes and 24 seconds in, I had to stop to tell you - constructive criticism - please rehearse your debates, you sound like you've never debated before! It's quite painful getting through all the "ums" and "uhs". Also, What does numerical coincidences have to do with Mohammed's alleged prophethood? ...hopefully you'll make this make sense in the next few minutes. Back to the video...

Osama Abdallah said...

"...Also, What does numerical coincidences have to do with Mohammed's alleged prophethood?..."

Your statement clearly demonstrates that you are indeed spiritually blind, and are on your way to the doom of Hell, I am afraid.

Like Sam Shamoun told me during his debate: "You would salivate for this to exist in your book". Of course, he was speaking garbage and wanted to just insult, and proved himself to be totally obnoxious and ridiculous. But seriously, you wish you had this in your Scriptures. Instead, you have a "Bible" that is a mix between Truth and man-made falsehood.

I had these Numerical Miracles on the site for a long time now, and funny that your Arab Christians are dead silent about it.

My brother Joseph: Islam came to restore the Original Faith. Islam came to be the Final Religion of GOD Almighty to mankind, because it was the First Religion of GOD Almighty to mankind. Islam also came to remove the falsehoods that your people have created. Islam's Miracle is the Glorious Quran. No other book is Islam's Miracle. Only the Glorious Quran. The Quran's Miracles are not just "coincidences", especially when we have them by the many.

You are too shallow to utter such dangerous statement to your Salvation. I advise you to reconsider and to give Islam a serious thought, my dear.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

Thank you Joseph for your advise.

AliciaGoodluck said...

Dear Osama, I have never seen such a ridiculous attempt at exegesis from anyone. You get confused between east as a relative term and East to mean Kedar. You can't expect to be taken seriously if you make an interpretation based on such a false understanding.

I am also confused by the latter part of the video as you go on a tirade against Jesus and the Bible instead of proving your Mohammad as a prophet.

I take this as an admission that you truly do not have any facts to help promote the staging of the video - "Was Muhammad a True Prophet".

AliciaGoodluck said...

Note to CL Edwards and other Christian Apologists -

Please concentrate on Islam's numerous pagan practices when dealing with identical/similar topics.

There is ample literature in this area.

These are incredibly damning to Islam. Even the Sabians were mentioned on par with Christians and Jews in the Quran -

http://quran.com/search?q=Sabian

Osama Abdallah said...

"ote to CL Edwards and other Christian Apologists -

Please concentrate on Islam's numerous pagan practices when dealing with identical/similar topics.

There is ample literature in this area.

These are incredibly damning to Islam."

All of this nonsense had been thoroughly refuted at:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm


In these articles, you'll also see the Bible's ample Sacred Black Stones.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

AliciaGoodluck said...

Only another demon will believe another demon, such as Mohammad, as being a prophet of the one true God.

If Mohammad was indeed a prophet then evidence from Islam's own texts clearly show that he was the Prophet of Death; working for the Great Satan.

Sorry, but there is no other way to appreciate Mohammad other than the Prophet of Death.

AliciaGoodluck said...

Lots of information on the Prophet of Death can be found - http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

Islam IS demonic because it is rife with pagan teachings and rituals.

Other than the teachings plagiarized from Torah and the Bible, almost every other Islamic ritual or practice is of pagan, polytheistic origin.

AliciaGoodluck said...

@ Osama - you're again refuting evidence; using evidence that you had already disproved.

You have also shown a penchant for careless exegeses, where even your comprehension of English is incredibly lacking.

I shall read up on the links you provided regarding the Black Stone. But let us not pretend that the Black Stone, encased in a vagina-looking object is the only pagan-related subject in Islam.

Foolster41 said...

@Osama Abdallah: that's quite some cherry picking in there.

You claim the crucifixion was false, but never give any evidence, just a conspiracy theory about the "Jesus" being crucified being Barabus. So his own mom and apostles were fooled while he was on the cross, and he bothered to tell John to take care of his "mother"? Was that Jesus Barabus who showed his wounds? How was he still alive? Paul said "IF Christ be not risen, our faith is in VAIN" (1 Cor 15:14, Emphisis mine). Why would Allah go through so much trouble to create a false religion?

1 Cor 7:40 - "I think". As C.L says, you are making arguments by twisting the original meaning. Read this: http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/7-40.htm

"Paul was called a liar." What? Searching I can't find any references to do this doing variations on searching. You gave 3 entire chapters about a variety of subjects. What specific verses are these? I'll take your silence as admitting this is false.

1 Cor 1,2 and 3. Do you mean 3 whole chapters? yes, Paul addressed things that he disagreed with, but these disagreements never contradict each other (the apistles of Paul and Peter for example never contradict). It doesn't REMOTELY show the gospel as being false. Didn't Mohammad Admonish people for false beliefs? Wasn't there sometimes disagreement between Muslims? Doesn't that mean your own logic that Mohammad was wrong and Islam is false? Or does it simply mean that Osama uses arguments dishonestly on some people that he wouldn't use on himself?

The rest of the verses you rattle off are more of the same false argument. Peter realized he was wrong, and it was resolved. So much for never resolved.

AliciaGoodluck said...

@ Osama

Of dear, there you go again, all the Biblical scriptures you provide have ZERO evidence and ZERO suggestion that any rocks Abraham used were black or that they were to be used again for worship except for the Sacred Tent, which again does not contain any black stones!

With respect to Mecca and Kaabah, within the Quranic, please see this http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1132.0

AliciaGoodluck said...

I would like CL Edwards, rebut, in written form, each and every one of the verses Osama used to purport Muhammad's mention in the Bible.

AliciaGoodluck said...

More on the Muslim failed lies regarding Mecca
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm

AliciaGoodluck said...

For future debates, I would like the participants be hooked up to polygraph instruments.

I'm serious!

Can we set up debate topics and obtain a list of Islamic Apologetics agreeable to such an occasion?

I would like to suggest a 5-on-5 team.

Those that support such an occasion, please acknowledge so that we can put forth the proposition to both sides of the debate - not just here but other Websites.

Truth Hurts. Truth Be Told.
Christian-Muslim Dialogue.
The Ultimate Debate Challenge.

Liz Mitchell said...

Interesting, there's PLENTY of exchange between Osama and Christians in the commentaries (this and other strings) yet, even the most frustrated Christians have not uttered one death threat, rape-to-his-wife threat, torture threat, expletive, etc., etc. Osama, I don't know you and I don't hate you. I will pray for you. You are loved.

raheel majeed said...

Osama was very confouse

Gazza Sloane said...

@AliciaGoodluck

I like the idea to be used in circumstances where the questions are yes and no. Such as, "Does Islam promote violence against disbelievers?" This is a very basic yes or no question because it either does or it doesn't.

However, polygraphs only work when the truth is known but hidden. Therefore, if Osama truely believes what he is saying then it will show he isn't lying which defeats the aim of what I see your trying to achieve.

Basically outcomes will vary muslim to muslim. It would just tell you what they as an individual believe not what Islam teaches.

Joseph said...

Osama,

If the Quran in itself was a miracle, there would have been no need for Mohammed to kill Abdullah ibn Sa'd.

But for fear of someone else writing a "verse like this", ibn Sa'd conveniently had to go.

And Yes I am a Kaffir (That statement ensures my one way ticket to an Islamic Hell, not my questioning your method of debate.)

And I don't know anything about your talks with Sam. But I do know that if we wanted to prove the prophet-hood of any other prophet, all we have to do is point to there actions and prophecies. THATS the reason why the Jews rejected Mohammed. Mohammed fit zero of the Criteria given in the Torah by which to test prophethood.

This is why you had nothing else to offer other than numerical coincidences - which if that were the basis for prophethood, then you should be following the prophet Tolkien, as his books have thousands of coincidences in them as well, lol.

I am grateful for this verse -


In the past God spoke to our ancestors at many different times and in many different ways through the prophets. In these last days he has spoken to us through his Son. God made his Son responsible for everything. His Son is the one through whom God made the universe. (‭Hebrews‬ ‭1‬:‭1-2‬)

I love the contrast given that while there were prophets Gods final revelation was his Son. There was no need for any other than his best. How much better can you get than a prophet who IS the word of God and doesn't sin?

A warlord who has people killed because they write bad reviews about him on scrolls? - I don't think so.

AliciaGoodluck said...

The Quran cannot be a miracle when it cannot even state geographical and historical facts accurately!

Mecca was never a center of trade prior to 400AD.

The Quran was allegedly revealed to Muhammad over a 23-year period. When he died, the Quran was yet to be compiled. What this means is that there is a strong possibility that the Quran is incomplete!

When the Quran was allegedly revealed, not only was it done over a 23-year period, it was recorded on parchments, bone fragments, leaves, animal skin - essentially anything that didn't resemble proper writing materials.

Why would a God that took 7 days to create the world, take 23 years to reveal a book? Why would God choose an illiterate man and a largely illiterate people to bear His Witness?

Islam is a mishmash of twisted Judaism and Christianity coupled with Arabian mythology, Sabaen practices, Jinn (occult) worship and even semblances of characters relevant to Zoroastrianism.

Nojmul Huda said...

@Osama Abdallah,

If you believe Quran is the most miraculous thing of all time done by your Allah with the fact that Quran’s number of letters in Noah chapter matches exactly Noah’s life 950 years in this world as you said in your opening statement in this video; then I reserve my doubt about your quality of intelligent and your Allah’s power as God the Almighty Who created this world and the universe.

What would you say Jesus’s miraculous healing of Lazarus who was dead for 4 days and people buried him as dead man as said in the Bible, John 11: 1-45? If it is nothing to you, tell you’re Allah and Muhammad to give life to a dead man, people will convert to Islam by millions, they will believe your nonsense talking, defending Muhammad as prophet of Allah.

Even today miracles happen by Jesus’ name, give us some miracles that is done by Muhammad’s name.

Followers of Jesus know that today Jesus is at the right hand of God the Father at haven and anything is asked to God Almighty by Jesus name, prayers have been fulfilled. Millions of Christians around the world could bear witness for God’s abundance blessing for their life. How many Muslims could say that their prayers have been fulfilled asking Muhammad in HEAVEN? No Muslim, not even you would testify that Muhammad granted your prayers.

A fact of the matter is that Quran asks all Muslims to pray for Muhammad, so that Allah takes Muhammad in HEAVEN, as Muslim’s Allah promised. Till today all Muslims pray to their Allah to take Muhammad in Heaven. In other word, Osama still believe Muhammad is not in HEAVEN yet, and he needs his prayers to be in heave. What a weak personality Muhamad had like us!!

Whereas followers of Christ been promised by Christ to be taken to heaven by Him if we follow Him with our heart and souls.

Do you still need evidence that Muhammad is not prophet who could save you, as you believe????

AliciaGoodluck said...

One other damning evidence of Mohammad's trickery is how Mohammad's always speaks on behalf of his Allah or Allah is always at his beck and call.

No Biblical prophet dared to speak on behalf of God when placed into such a position. Mohammad, on the other hand, seemed to have Allah on a leash.

Even the Quran uses "We" instead of "I" when it was written that Allah was speaking. The reason for the "We" was to signify that the words were attributable to Allah and Mohammad!!!

Instead of asking if Mohammad is a True Prophet, for similar debates, the debate should pose this - Is Mohammad Allah!

That is more appropriate.

AliciaGoodluck said...

@ Nojmul, Mohammad is not a prophet. He is in fact Allah.

This is clearly evidenced how Allah is always there to provide justification for sex, rapes, murders, robbery and the other crimes Mohammad and his band of merry thieves committed.

When signing treaties, Mohammad would put a line that states Allah's approval for the document.

Dacritic said...

Joseph.

Very well said indeed.

AliciaGoodluck said...

Next Debate -

"Is Muhammad Allah?"

Osama Abdallah said...

@Joseph,

But the Bible did Prophesy about the coming of the Arabian Prophet. Even in the New Testament, there were:

1- The expected Elijah.

2- The expected Messiah.

3- The expected Prophet.

The Bible spoke of them as three distinct individuals. And in the OT, ample passages speak about the Prophet of Arabia coming from the lands (tents) of Kedar and Teman (two of Ishmael's sons).

Not only that, but we also find Prophet Muhammad's Prophetic Name, Ahmed, mentioned in both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Glorious Quran. Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

As to the Hebrews 1:1-2 and others like them, who told you it was a Divine Revelation? And who told you that they refute anything about Islam. Yes, Jesus is the Messiah. We Muslims believe in this, and he is VERY VERY BIG DEAL TO THE JEWS AND THEIR CORRUPTION AND NONSENSE. But Islam came for the Arabs and for mankind, not just the Jews.

As to Son of GOD, I already showed how the Quran corrects your corrupt beliefs regarding this term. You so corrupted it that you made a whole trinity out of it! Islam came to correct all of this.

I hope this helps.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Osama Abdallah said...

@ Joseph,

And as to GOD Almighty created ALL THINGS through Christ, this had been investigated and thoroughly refuted at:

http://answering-christianity.com/colossians1_15-16.htm

GOD Almighty is the Creator of all things. The terms "through Christ" speaks symbolically about him being the Messiah and the Way.

Read the link. I gave Biblical examples of this. You are a victim of symbolic language and bad translations.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

OsakaceniNindza said...

Osama

You say that taht Jew expected Elijah, Messiah and new prophet. I guess you took that from the beginning of John's Gospel, where John the Baptist said that he isn't a prophet. Islam accept John as a prophet, so why would he said something lik that? And if it is known that new prophet will come from Arabia, why they even asked him if he is prophet?

That is because they confused John the baptist with resurrected prophet. That is why John said that he isn't prophet. People thought that Jesus was also Elijah or one of the dead prophets.

Read Matthew 16:14, Mark 6:15, 8:28 and especially Luke 9:19.

Foolster41 said...

Corrupted, Corrupted Corrupted!

Of course, we have manuscripts from before Mohammad was born that we can go back and look at and see they are the same as the bible today, but they must have been corrupted (somehow)!

The Qouran says the bible was given by Allah and that Allah's word cannot be corrupted. Osama has once again commited shirk in defending his religion! Why don't you believe your own Qouran Osama?

Foolster41 said...

@Osama:
"Read the link. I gave Biblical examples of this. You are a victim of symbolic language and bad translations."

Oh, so you can read biblical Greek and Hebrew now and tell us how our manuscripts differ from modern translations? If not, then by what authority do you make this claim?

Tom said...

@Osama

muslims have no pride and are low in self esteem.

They say the Bible is corrupt and yet they use the very same corrupted Bible to validate their perverted twisted false prophet muhammad.

The koran says the Jews & Christians can find muhammd in their scriptures, THEY Jews and Christians NEVER FOUND HIM IN THEIR SCRIPTURES!

muslims claim that muhammad is from the Ismael's:

Please show the world the completete genealogy of muhmmad to Ismael FROM the koran PERIOD

islam the religion of hindsight!

AliciaGoodluck said...

Mohammad used to meditate in the caves before his alleged revelation from Angel Gabriel.

Before the first revelation, Mohammad prayed to pagan gods at the Kaabah.

There were other Arabs who spent time in the caves alone. Only those practicing occult of Jinn and Sabaens and a few other pagan gods would practice such meditation in caves.

Mohammad's first wife was alleged to have said that it was Allah who spoke to Mohammad. How did she know from such little information. And wasn't it supposed to have been Angel Gabriel? Why the contradiction and confusion and the incredulous assumption?

Nothin ever adds up with Islam. It was a pagan, polytheistic cult from the very start and it still is. All this pretense of a monotheistic god is in actual fact Satan himself, the lord of darkness.

AliciaGoodluck said...

Muslims touch and kiss their Black Stone and yet they deny idol, pagan worship.

AliciaGoodluck said...

I FOUND MOHAMMAD in the BIBLE!!!

2 Corinthians 11

3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

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Mohammad allegedly received his revelations at Jabar al-Nour, "The Mountain of Light".

Osama may be right afterall, Mohammad is indeed in the Bible.

Gazza Sloane said...

@Osama

Sir, you continually put yourself into a corner.

You claim the Bible contains prophecies of Muhammad, yes?

Ok, here's my question:

1) Has the Bible (OT/NT) been changed or corrupted to the point that it's original teachings and doctrines cannot be established?

This is the corner you have put yourself in because, either:

a) The Bible is not corrupted and we are able to establish the original teachings of doctrine. In which case Islam comes out as a False religion.

OR

b) The Bible is corrupted where original teachings and doctrines cannot be established or even trusted. In which case you are cherry picking the verse that suit your purpose which invalidates your claims due to inconsistent methodology and DOUBLE STANDARDS.

You may recognise this as being similar to David's video on the Islamic dilemma however it has been catered to you personally.

Every debate I see you in Osama, I feel that there's no point talking to you because your not interested in the opposing view's opinion or arguments.

You always use this phrase, "thoroughly refuted over here on MY website." (Emphasis mine).
You may be satisfied with YOUR OWN rebuttal, forgive me Sir if I am not.

The best rebuttal to your claims during this forum dialogue, forgive me I can't remember who said it. But if the Jews expected a prophet from Arabia why did they ask John the Baptist if he was one?

It's simple Osama. Stop hiding in darkness and come to know the way, the truth and the life that is Jesus Christ. Your Lord and my Lord.
Muhammad was a sinful man, he cannot intercede for you. Jesus was and IS Lord who payed for the everlasting atonement of your sins so that you may have eternal life. Such a gift given freely can be hard to accept but you do not need to earn. Like a father loves his son, he would do anything for that child.

In Jesus mighty name, Amen.

You are His Osama, you cannot hide forever b

Jerry Jones said...

Osama, if don't believe that the 'numerical miracles' in the Qur'an are not mere coincidences, then explain the prophecies foretold in Moby Dick.
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

Jerry Jones said...

@Osama

As to the supposed distinction between "the expected Prophet" and "the expected Messiah" which you seem to have found in the opening chapter of the Gospel of John, the Bible said that the Jews thought that the Prophet and the Messiah would be different. John's Gospel records that, but doesn't say that their expectation was correct. And now if someone examines the criteria of the expected Prophet with Jesus, they can see that that Prophet was Jesus Himself. The Jews expected the Prophet and the Messiah to be different, but that doesn't mean they were to be actually different.

Joseph said...

Osama,

First, thank you for your “Admission by Omission”… I can’t tell if your ignoring of my points about the Quran’s invalidity concerning Abdullah ibn Sa’d, was purposefully neglected due to lack of a counter-argument and you are simply granting it as true - Which then shows the Quran is entirely false and not a revelation from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

OR because you simply looked over it and decided to attempt to throw me off by attacking a “different hill” on which I am not standing.

OR because you find the Islamic Sources - Abu Dawud 38:4346, Ibn Hisham, Ibn Ishaq, and Rasul Allah to not be conveniently authentic enough to garnish a response.

Again, I say, Mohammed did not fit the criteria of a prophet. Your response to this is the same response he gave to the Jews right before his rejection - “But the Bible did Prophesy about the coming of the Arabian Prophet.” - using an argument based on a twisted reading of the gospels saying that the Jews were expecting 3 different (distinct) individuals.

At this, I am astonished at the intellectual dishonesty.

A person doesn’t need to be a scholar, to know that the Jewish people have been waiting for ONE individual – The Messiah, preceded by an appearance of an “Elijah”. And in asking John these questions “Are you the Messiah”, “Are you Elijah”, “Are you the Prophet” – They are running down prophecies they were looking to be fulfilled. Of course he wasn’t the messiah and although he denied himself being a reincarnated Elijah – Jesus later on confirms that John has come in “the spirit of Elijah” in Matt 11:13-14, Matt 17:11-13.

If you are granting John which was later, you must grant Matthew which was earlier than John – Or do you pick and choose that which fits your argument the best?

With the forerunner being in place for the Messiah, Jesus’ role fits two criteria – The Messiah and the prophet. Which Islamic sources even grant – that Jesus is both a prophet and the Messiah. So, I don’t know why you brought this up. If your argument hinges on 3 distinct persons - yet Islamic doctrine allows for Jesus' Prophethood and Messiahship.

What I’m telling you is nothing new. You’ve no doubt already seen Sam’s response to this tired argument here - http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/jn1-21.html.

You’ve forced me to waste time on a subject already refuted. And now, it appears that you’re banned because you’ve wasted David’s time with childish posts. More constructive criticism – Keep it professional.

You completely ignored the basis, or, the context, for which I used Hebrews 1:1-2- the comparison between Jesus and Mohammed as this verse compares Jesus to every other messenger ever sent by God. Again, you, through ‘Admission by Omission’ grant that Jesus is far superior to Mohammed in every way and was the last revelation of God to his creation. Here is your second chance to deal with that claim.

Joseph said...

You said “Muhammad's Prophetic Name, Ahmed, mentioned in both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Glorious Quran.”.
I’m curious to know exactly where… Which book of the dead sea scrolls are you referring to in order to support your claim. You’ve either purposefully neglected to give this information – or I’ve missed its location on your website. Please don’t look over this, as this was one of your major proofs of Mohammed’s prophethood. We both know some of the apocryphal books found in the dead sea scrolls were gnostic gospels which were written far later than the gospels and are not accepted by the general populous of scholars.

And – much like @Tom said, its amazing that while you deny the authority of the Christian Scriptures, muslims need them for a solid foundation in attempts to prove the Quran’s authenticity – that in itself is mind-blowing.

Furthermore, you cannot use a book that came from Mohammed to prove Mohammed is a prophet, seeing as how even Aisha attested that with every whim of Mohammed’s desires, a Surah was revealed granting him “special” permission to do whatever he wanted, when he wanted to do it.

Also, the Quran came 600 years AFTER Christ with nothing like Islam in between. But even if we grant you that Quran did in fact come from “an angel like Gabriel” – The Quran itself still proves Mohammed was not a prophet, which David has covered extensively.

Examples – Scientific Inaccuracies and contradictions, False prophecies, Idol worship, and Mohammed’s death, and the events after his death – all prove the inadmissibility of the Quran as a book from YHWH and that Mohammed was one of this many messengers.

I don't expect a response to the last point as I didn't cite my sources for it, as it is from the sum of knowledge learned about Islam since following David and Sam and reading the Islamic sources (Thanks Guys!) - But since I see you ignoring others posts here, I’ll reiterate what I thought were some really good points.

@AliciaGoodluck said… “The Quran cannot be a miracle when it cannot even state geographical and historical facts accurately! - Mecca was never a center of trade prior to 400AD.”

@Tom said … “Please show the world the completete genealogy of muhmmad to Ismael FROM the Koran.. Or any Islamic Source – It would be nice to have this information.

And good job @Gazza Sloane in showing Osama’s typical inconsistencies and double standards concerning how he, like most muslims, use the “corrupt” bible as an anchor for an Islamic worldview.

Osama, when you are un-banned and allowed to get out of the corner for your immature posts, please respond while staying on track – no straw men, or red herrings, or personal attacks please.

smalltallest88 said...

@Osama
"Not only that, but we also find Prophet Muhammad's Prophetic Name, Ahmed, mentioned in both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Glorious Quran. Please visit:"

I don't have much to ask you. But if Muhammad prophetic name was mentioned in the Quran, who then received the Quran? Don't tell me Muhammad because he can't received the Quran and still see his name been prophesy in it. Shalom!

Jericho Fallen said...

@ Osama bin laden oops abdallah.

Tell us does this sound like the "glorious" quran is islams miracle. Wow you muslims are surely happy with very little. Is this the same quran that was burned by Uthman, eaten by a sheep and fabricated by muhammad. Yeah right pagan muslim

Let's look at the facts stated here from islam's own sources..

Then Muhammad confessed: I ascribed to Allah, what He had not said. (Ibn Sa'd, vol. 1, p. 237)
I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken. (Al-Tabari, vol. 6, p. 111)

A'isha: "During the time of the
prophet, the chapter of the Parties used
to be two hundred verses when read.
When Uthman edited the copies of the
Qur'an, only the current (verses) were
recorded"[5] Suyuti, "The Itqan", part 3,
p. 72

"Malik says that several verses from
chapter 9 (Sura of Repentance) have
been dropped from the beginning.
Among them is, 'In the name of God
the compassionate, the Merciful'
because it was proven that the length
of Sura of Repentance was equal to the
length of the Sura of the Cow."[4] "The Itqan" by Suyuti Part 3, Page
184

It is reported from Ismail ibn
Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi
from Ibn Umar who said: "Let none
of you say 'I HAVE ACQUIRED the WHOLE of the Qur'an'. How does
he know what all of it is WHEN MUCH of the Qur'an has DISAPPEARED? Rather let him say 'I have acquired what has survived.'" (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.524).

"Much of the Quran that was
sent down was known by those who
died on the day of Yamama but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar, or Uthman collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one person after them." (Ibn Abi Daud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23).Ed


It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The
Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding
an adult ten times was revealed, and
the paper was with me under my
pillow. When the Messenger of Allah
died, we were preoccupied with his
death, and a tame sheep came in and
ate it." (Hasan)
Ibn Majah 3:9:1944

And there we have it. The supposed claim that islams "holy" book is a miracle. I'm keeping in my laugh.. Phew

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ