Saturday, November 1, 2014

Theresa Corbin Deliberately Conceals Facts about Allah, Muhammad, and the Qur'an

I just sat down to write Part Two of my response to Theresa Corbin's article on misinterpreted verses of the Qur'an. But there's an important point that needs to be addressed first, because it affects our interpretation of Corbin's claims.

Until now, I had assumed that Corbin was ignorant and gullible. I thought that she accepted Islam without bothering to study it, and that her teachers are spoon-feeding her false information about Muhammad and the Qur'an.

This, of course, is the most generous interpretation of her articles. The alternative is that she is deliberately lying about Muhammad and the Qur'an, which would be a much more serious problem. Ignorance can often be dispelled by sharing information. But when a person is deliberately deceptive, there's a deeper issue involved: a moral failing that cannot be repaired by simply sharing information.

Yesterday, I was happy to see that Corbin had responded to part of my article. I knew that she wouldn't simply abandon Islam after a single article proving that her claims were false, but the fact that she responded seemed to indicate that she was willing to dig deeper into the issues.

That's how things seemed yesterday. Today, everything changed when I saw that she had rejected the comment I posted last night. After I had addressed her radical reinterpretation of Allah's command not to be friends with Jews and Christians, I sent her the link in a comment, so that she would know that her god, her prophet, her prophet's companions, and Islam's greatest scholars completely reject her reinterpretation. Here's the comment and link I posted:


I have no objections to comment moderation (I moderate comments myself). Some people want to post threats or obscene language, and others love to spam articles. But that's not how Corbin is moderating comments. She has posted claims about Islam that are demonstrably false. Instead of acknowledging her errors and correcting them, however, she chooses to deliberately conceal the facts that refute her. Thus, she rejected my comment linking to direct quotes from Islam's most trusted sources (though she's happy to post comments that praise her).

This means that Corbin isn't merely ignorant and gullible (though she is undeniably both). She is also misleading and deceptive. She knows that there are facts that refute her claims, but she wants to keep her readers from these facts, so that they continue to believe the lie she has posted.

I'll continue my response to her article tomorrow. Right now, I have to think about why misrepresentation, deception, and concealing evidence are so common among Muslim apologists, and what this tells me about their religion. I think I feel an episode of "Jesus or Muhammad?" coming on.

41 comments:

Tinz Tin said...

Islam has no idols or pictures but their faith is based on ideology. So it is easy for them to get deceived especially since it is not truth. Very easy for the westerners to be deceived into thinking Islam is good or rather it appears to be good.
Sad truth. The devil is trying to get as many people to go to hell with him.
V r in the last days n now is when church needs to rise up.

SG said...

Someone by the name of Brady left a comment asking her why there aren't any churches et al in Saudi Arabia. Her response was that Saudi's don't represent Islam and that she's here to defend in the religion, not Muslims.

How can she explain Sahih Muslim Book 019, number 4366? It's only the second most authentic collection.

At any rate, it's clear that she's not naive at this stage as you said David.

Radical Moderate said...

There is something more I'm sure you noticed it. She did let one of the comments from one of your readers onto her blog...

"Dear Cobin, I am following your blog and answering Muslims written by David wood. I don’t know who to believe and not to believe.

I have a simple question – i hope to have simple answer. If these are true translations and every one agrees , why not publish Quran with those translations? and all Muslim scholars testify that that.

( I am not a Muslim or Christian so i am predisposed )"


She responded and I find this most telling...

"The Quran is published with these interpretations. Its called tafsir. Hope that helps clear things up."

So she is knowledgeable of Tasfirs however does she use any Tasfirs in here interpretation of Q. 5:51? Absolutely not.

Not only that but her interpretation of Q. 8:12 is a complete lie.

She writes...

"This verse was revealed about the Battle of Badr. The pagans of Mecca travelled more than 200 miles to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to kill the Muslims who numbered around 300."

This is completely un true. It was the Muslims who traveled outside of Mecca to Bardr to raid the Meccan caravans. The Meccans rode out to protect their caravan. After the caravan was safe most of the Meccans went home.

Dacritic said...

David, should it still be a mystery as to why Muslim apologists resort to deception, misrepresentation and concealing of evidence as you call it (i.e. LYING) in their endeavor to defend Islam? Their god is acknowledged in their "holy book" as the "best of deceivers"! Think that just sums the whole damn thing up. Oh and er, of course, Christ also called Satan the father of lies.

bam bamba said...

David Great work. May God continue to keep and protect you and your family. I have some major examinations right now but cant stop flipping over to your page from time to time.
Islam is a lie from the pit of hell. This lady has missed the road, I pray that she will come back home.

Berean said...

You are in good company, David. I posted a response as well, and my post is also in moderation limbo. So, it looks like her blog is intended for dawah only, not to promote an open and honest discussion. Very sad, indeed.

WhatsUpDoc said...

Not only among individuals delebrate lying is very common also among Muftis and Sheiks like Tahir Ul Qadri

King Arthur said...

bro David Wood,
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there is another angle to why Theresa might be doing what she is doing, and that it is simply that she does not have the ability to go head to head with you in a debate.
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I am not trying to puff you up, but I have seen how you and bro Sam and others overwhelm your islamic apologists with facts, reasoned logic and historical context to the point where you not only know their answers, but you know their replies to your answered answers.....lol....if I was a muslim; I wouldn't dare touch you guys in debate.
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As a Christian there is a few things I wouldn't even touch you guys in debate either about Christianity; but just listen and learn..........but in the end you are dealing with the eternal soul of Theresa; so though you hammer out the truth against islamic theology: (glory to God) I trust you'll be gentle with her.
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amen

Micah Brancatisano said...

Haha yes please, another installment of Jesus or Muhammad! You know you've watched too many Acts17apoligetics video's when you can't help but read David's articles in his sarcastic but sharply truthful voice! Lol! Keep em' coming David! The truth always comes to the light, it just takes someone who's willing to put in the hours- thank you for your efforts and study!

Ricardo Hotatio said...

In the discussion between Muslims and Christians, I feel it is too often centered on differences in dosctrine. It misses the core issues. What are the core issues? What is the main problem for God and is there a sufficient solution in Islam or Christianity. The core issue of God is the problem of sin. 1 John 3:8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. It is here that Islam completely fails. So salvation is found only in Jesus, this is rejected by Islam and makes Mohammed a false prophet. On this core issue we must keep emphasing that both faiths do exclude each other. Besides this point it is too easy to point out because of his total moral failure that Mohammed fully disqualifies himself as a prophet of God.

James Strickler said...

David Wood is possibly the most sarcastic Christian, I have ever seen. I myself am a sarcastic Christian. I came across the Jesus vs Mohammad and I found it interesting. I am not very well versed in the Bible and yourself and Sam are well versed in both the Bible and Qur'an. So, here is an observation and a few questions. 72 virgins is your " gift"(min) for all the men who get too paradise. Where do all these women come from? Now, you have also said that somewhere in the Qur'an it said that most of the souls in hell are women. Please correct me if I am wrong, but is not the sin you get sent to hell for is that not your torment for eternity? I am not a righteous man, but I am not going out and butchering other human beings just to get chicks.

QuranIsCorrupt2 said...

According to Islam she has only half the brain of Bill Maher.

QuranIsCorrupt2 said...

@James

Muslim women get to SHARE their husbands with the 72 virgins...IF their husband wants them. Now why would a husband want to have his wife if he can have 72 virgins...which she would have to share him with?

jay shawn said...

David, since she is ignoring you, you should make a video directly calling her out. with the number of viewers and subscribers you have, this ought to be epic. I'm sick and tired of the lies of apostates and their Deedat and Zakir Naik arguments which presumably brought them into Islam to begin with.

Locrian said...

Did anyone else notice she links to "answering-Christianity". I think once someone considers this to be sound exegesis, you've got your work cut out for you.

TPaul said...

David, Excellent work on refuting Theresa's willful ignorance. She, like many western converts to Islam, even after being shown the obvious errors of their decision to accept Islam as the truth, will refuse to show integrity and admit the truth. Rather they display a weird syndrome, in which one even after realization, protects the lie with even more fervour and ferocity than their original blind conviction. I am sure many of us have heard or read the famous last words of Muslim apologists who after being thoroughly refuted say something to the time l tune of" ....." I have become a better Muslim after reading your garbage.." Or "... you will never be able to make even a dent in my faith, thanks to you my faith in Islam has become stronger now..." It is truly mind boggling that even after being shown the blatant errors and absurdities that makes up the religion of Islam, Muslims cling on even tighter to the lie, defending it with all their might. David, in all your years of ministry and apologetics with Muslims have you ever come across a convert who has" come to his or her senses "and left Islam? It seems like Islam is like a one way swing door where one is required to check their brains at the threshold before entering.

Radical Moderate said...

Oh she is full blown Muslima alright.


Steffen said...

Corbin seems not to be interested in replying: "I have no obligation to advertize Woods’ opinion on my blog. I am not having a debate with him. I am putting verses from my religious text into context. That is all. I did not mention him, nor and I interested in sinking to his level and slandering him, as he did to me.

Sepher Shalom said...

I attempted to post the following, but it appears she has now (for some reason) closed commenting in that post:

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I am someone who knows what it's like to have their Scripture taken out of context and treated unfairly. So I hope you will allow this comment and that we might all be able to dialogue about certain issues.

You mention tafsir as an method to explain the meaning of the Quran:
"The Quran is published with these interpretations. Its called tafsir. Hope that helps clear things up."

Let's look at classical tafsir to see the orthodox understanding of some of these ayat:

(5:51)
Tafsir al Jalalayn: "O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as patrons, affiliating with them or showing them affection; they are patrons of each other, being united in disbelief. Whoever amongst you affiliates with them, he is one of them, counted with them. God does not guide the folk who do wrong, by affiliating with disbelievers."

Al Wahidi: "(O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends…) [5:51]. Said ‘Atiyyah al-‘Awfi: “‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit went to see the Prophet and asked him: ‘O Messenger of Allah! I have numerous clients from amongst the Jews, who are ever ready to support me. However, I stand before Allah and His Messenger to absolve myself from the guardianship of the Jews. And I turn, instead, to Allah and His Messenger’. Hearing this, ‘Abd Allah ibn Ubayy said: ‘I am a man who fears the turn of events and will not absolve myself from the guardianship of the Jews’. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, then said: ‘O Abu’l-Hubab, that which you reserve to yourself of the guardianship of the Jews apart from ‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit is all yours and none of it is his’. He said: ‘I accept’. And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed about the two of them: (O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another) up to His saying (And thou seest those in whose heart is a disease) [5:52], i.e. ‘Abd Allah ibn Ubayy (race toward them) for support (saying: We fear lest a change of fortune befall us)”.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir: "Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them. Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this, (And if any among you befriends them, then surely he is one of them.)"

Tafsir ibn Kathir (tafsir from Surah 9 regarding the same topic): "The Prohibition of taking the Idolators as Supporters, even with Relatives
Allah commands shunning the disbelievers, even if they are one's parents or children, and prohibits taking them as supporters if they choose disbelief instead of faith. Allah warns, (You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred (people). For such He has written (predetermined) faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a Ruh (proof, light and true guidance) from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow.) (58:22) Al-Hafiz Al-Bayhaqi recorded that `Abdullah bin Shawdhab said, "The father of Abu `Ubaydah bin Al-Jarrah was repeatedly praising the idols to his son on the day of Badr, and Abu `Ubaydah kept avoiding him. When Al-Jarrah persisted, his son Abu `Ubaydah headed towards him and killed him. Allah revealed this Ayah in his case,"

(Cont.)

Sepher Shalom said...

(Cont.)

In contrast to what you have said in your post, this verse appears to be classically understood by orthodox Islamic exegetes to mean that Muslims are not to establish friendships and relationships of trust with non believers. It would seem that the historic understanding of this verse does not match what you have presented, and it follows that the majority of Muslim scholars would disagree with your interpretation.

Time allowing, we can look further at what the Islamic scholars of tafsir say about the other verses as well.
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It's quite a shame that she closed commenting. I had hoped to post tafsir on some of the other verses she mentioned. Her readers should know where her "interpretation" differs from the traditional Islamic exegetes because this is likely to demonstrate places where her theology differs from the majority Muslim understanding.

Nojmul Huda said...

With David’s in-depth analysis of Quran with its Qur’anic living Evil’s words in relation to present barbaric situation in Middle East and all Muslim countries, it can be safely concluded that Warrior Muhamad introduced Quran in the form of religious book to establish his Evil Empire by terrorism. There is no difference between Muhammad and Hitler. Hitler worked for establishing German nationalism around the world by putting Jews in Gas Chamber and Muhammad worked for establishing Islamic terrorism around the world by suicide bombing. Only difference is Muhammad beside politics used religion to make Muslim scares for future life after death, as it happened to Ms. Corbin.

Thanks David for revealing truth about Quran. Your effort for bringing peace won’t go astray. May God bless you and your family!

jay shawn said...

"I did not mention him, nor and I interested in sinking to his level and slandering him, as he did to me."

Amazing how now she's the "victim." I swear Muslim converts are the most interesting group of people, especially white converts. With the opportunities and privilege they have as whites in this country, upon conversion, they now become the minority, feel "oppressed," and join the fight in the grievances. These are some of the most delusional people on the planet. David, you have no choice but to make a video titled with her name and her website so that all her "fans" know that you are serious about having this discussion. If she doesn't want to advertise you, it's only because she is not confident that her arguments are strong enough. She needs a "yes-maam" audience to keep her relevant. Time to plant the seed of truth. "reverts" are the biggest disgrace!

Paula Boddington said...

Corbin did not post my comment either - I commented that David Wood, like many other prominent critics of Islam, could not be rightly accused of peddling hatred, since David carefully distinguishes between criticism of a doctrine and attacks on the people who adhere to that doctrine. I also complained about the use of 'Islamophobia' to describe anyone with any criticisms of Islam - a phobia of course, is an irrational fear of something not really dangerous, so does not fit in the case of someone who has rational arguments that something in fact actually is dangerous. But of course, Corbin takes the standard route of seeing the abstract use of reason in terms of the personalised use of emotion - an unfortunately effective way of shutting down debates, because people don't always spot it's operating. I see from her comments that she considers that David has 'slandered' her - again a typical response, in that it turns the use of reason and evidence and the expression of any criticism into something personalised as an attack on somebody else - what I call the Argument From 'You Hurt My Feelings'. By transposing reason into the hurling of personal slurs, debate is avoided, yet, she claims that what she really wants is to find 'common ground' and a 'better world'. But it's no good just bleating that you are the 'good' one who wants 'common ground' - it's actually a passive-aggressive move to seize the higher ground, whilst making out that she's the reasonable one. Yet again, she substitutes 'I'm nice and the others who criticize me are horrid' for an actual argument. Yes, sure, there is common ground with Corbin - she's a human being - but on the issues in question, not much more common ground. Of course we could find some 'common ground' with any human being who holds any possible doctrine or ideology, simply because they are a human being . The whole point is, she adheres to a false and highly destructive doctrine. But by asking her critics just to look for common ground, she's asking for the whole debate to be shelved. Why? Is she afraid she'll lose?

Oh yeah, and every time someone finds some flaw in Islam, somebody pops up and says, 'hey guys, I'm a Muslim and I don't hold with that interpretation, so that can't be what Islam is really about'. It's a many headed hydra in that respect. Have they drawn lots to make sure that somewhere, there will be someone who calls themselves a Muslim, but who holds a different view on any possible point that might attract criticism?

SG said...

Uh, slander is spoken while libel is written. But David did neither since he's criticizing her knowledge rather than her personally. And he's citing Islamic sources to boot to correct her own interpretation of the verses in question.

Being featured on a mainstream news outlet like CNN gave her a healthy dose of confidence. Now she feels she's beyond criticism. Well played.

vincent david said...

This corbin is a real animal, and when i say animal i mean it.

She quotes sura 8.61 and 2.190, so in response i posted al jalalayns tafsir showing that the verses are "abrogated". She blocked this post from website where she is posting "The Most Misinterpreted Verses". I am surprised at her cowardice. Its ok for her to quote verses but if i quote the biggest schiolars of islam which creates doubt on her claims she keeps this reality hidden from the people she is trying to sucker in. For me, this is as bad as it gets. It means she is not even willing to have a discussion about what she claims. To me this is animal behaviour, its not civilized and its not productive. Its like when the police are trying to throw someone in jail and deliberatley hide information/evidence what clear the person they are trying to pin the crime on. Its corruption at its finest.

truthman.

(Yo! radical moderate)

sorpotal said...

corbin is deliberately deceptive - what did you expect from a person who is on the wahabi payroll?

sorpotal said...

First of all Corbin is on the wahabi pay roll. 2ndly she joint because men fussing over her to join made her join and also money - Now she has found out the truth WHAT do you expect her to do?

this behaviour is common with all the muslim converts, find the turth too late and they find themselves trapped.

jay shawn said...

Only if muslims were as open-minded as the dumb@$$ americans that give them the time of day and end up "reverting." God, I hate Islam and all of Islamic da'wah. They are good at luring AND convincing the idiots.

James Strickler said...

Here I am again, and once again off topic. Which stone is better: the Blarney stone, the Stone of Jacob or the one in Mecca?

jay shawn said...

Also, it's time to publicly shame all those Muslims who turn down debates. Remember how Deedat used to brag that the Pope was scared to debate, it's time to use Islamic methods of calling these apes out. I'm so sick and tired of tuning into the Deen Show and seeing a new "revert" being used as the latest da'wah tool. The last one was an ex-Catholic monk who had spend 8.5 years in a monastery. Can you imagine how much value a person like him and gerald dirks are for the muslims? It makes me sick to my stomach. These are major blows to Christianity.

bam bamba said...

It seems Corbin has decided to sell her soul to the devil despite all the obvious reasons for her to condemn and renounce islam. She must be getting well paid for the dawah she is helping the islamists with. A cursory look at mohammeds and his followers lives cannot but make you come to the conclusion that islam is a cult. Islam is a concoction of other beliefs. On its own it cannot stand the light of day. No right thinking person can be a follower of mohammed.
On another issue, we hear a lot of rhetorics from "moderate" muslims that its only a "tiny" minority that are extremists. This video from Ben Shapiro puts everything in perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

Blogguy said...

Islam is self-defined as 'truth'. If lies, or misrepresentation, or half-truths, serve islam, then it is 'true' for that act benefits islam. That why embarrassing facts about islam or islam's understanding of islam's own teaching can be regarded as slander. Part of the difficulty in reaching out to islam's followers is how islam('truth') is intertwined with personal pride and shame within the follower. If conversion to the Truth of God in Christ Jesus is to happen, the convert must cherish the high calling to true martyrdom with Jesus.

James Strickler said...

I asked a short guy about the stone question. He said the Blarney stone, tipped his hat and clicked his heels and while walking away said that someone was after his lucky charms. Now about this Corbin lady, this may or may not be the case. (Afghanistan SOP) or Islam 101, 1.Kidnap one intelligent women. 2. Threaten her family with bad luck and or death and presto you have one devout Muslim.

David Ford said...

[Ricardo Hotatio]"What are the core issues? What is the main problem for God and is there a sufficient solution in Islam or Christianity."

Sin, according to
_Any 3: Anyone, Anywhere, Any Time: Lead Muslims To Christ Now!_ by Mike Shipman, who apparently asks
"In your religion, what are you doing to get your sins forgiven?"

For a summary, see the 4-star review at
http://www.amazon.com/Any-Anyone-Anywhere-Muslims-Christ/dp/193912400X/

David Ford said...

[Dacritic]"of course, Christ also called Satan the father of lies"

John 8
http://preview.tinyurl.com/k6tvrcd
39. They [certain Yehudians] answered and said to him [Yeshua/ al-Nabia Isa], "Abbun [our father] is Abraham." Yeshua said to them,
"If you are sons of Abraham,
you would do the deeds of Abraham.
40. But now behold, you seek to kill me,
a man who truthfully spoke with you
that which I heard from Allaha.
This Abraham did not do.
41. But you do the deeds of abbukun [your father]."
They said to him,
"We did not come to be from fornication!
We have one abba [father], Allaha."
42. Yeshua said to them,
"If Allaha were abbukun [your father],
you would love me,
for I have gone out from Allaha,
and I have come,
and it is not from my own will I have come,
but He sent me.
43. Because of what (reason) do you not comprehend milthi [my word]?
Because you are not able to hear milthi.
44. You are from the abba Akelqartza [Accuser].
And the lusts of abbukun you want to do,
he who from the beginning killed men.
And he does not stand in truth
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a falsehood,
he speaks from himself
because he (is) a liar, even abbuheh [its father].

Dacritic said...

This is really getting hot! In Malaysia, there were some Muslims who were going against the building of a church in a particular town area, saying that the construction of the church "insults Islam". Now, thankfully some moderate Muslims fought on the side of the Christians on this and told the authorities that Christians should be given the right to practise their religion too. Now I have no doubt regarding their sincerity in trying to promote peace. These Muslims are good people. Good...but I must add, misinformed or ignorant about their own religion. Because they then credit their own exemplary behaviour to Islam and Muhammad. That's when I lost it. I sent in a post, quoting all the verses from the Quran and the Hadith all the violence Islam promotes. Needless to say, it opened the eyes of all the other kaffirs about Islam and then of course I also got some hate and insults from people who kissed or would kiss the Qabah.

Radical Moderate said...

vincent david

Yo Where you been man?

James Strickler said...

Does any one know where I can find an Ali's snack bar because the people on youtube are just crazy about this place. I do enjoy a good snack.:) If the blog author what's me to stop, I will, I promise.:)

Paula Boddington said...

Hey, Theresa, I like all those slightly cheeky photos you post ... but hang on, those aren't 'tempting eyes' are they? Careful now.
By the way, could you explain something I'm genuinely puzzled about. If female attire in Islam is meant to protect you all from the 'male gaze' as you put it, how come so many Muslim women wear makeup? Surely that defeats the point? I mean, I know that you can wear makeup just for your own personal satisfaction, but surely you must recognise that it might make women more attractive to men? What's that all about? Surely you should be saving yourselves for your quarter-share of your husband, and in public, if you use makeup at all, surely it should be to make yourself as unattractive to other men as possible? Just saying. Surely it's not because, as Mohammed said, women are too simple-minded to be able to spot such contradictions?

Deleting said...

I have to point out something I think is being overlooked.

This is a FEMINIST who converted to Islam. Why are you focused on the Islam part? There's a predominant ideology already at play here and it ain't Islam.

All the values of reason, rational, completely reading a source in context, got sacrificed on THIS alter, not Mohammad's.
Recently, I found an author on the Huffington Post and being curious researched her.
She's a feminist PORNOGRAPHER. Yeah. Pornography objectifies women, destroys relationships, encourages violence towards women but somehow it's okay. The producer is a feminist!!!
It's the same thing and it's the same thing with Teresa Corbin. Forget the oppression of women, child marriage, sectarian violence. A Feminist converted to islam so that makes everything okay.

moyad khaleel said...

Al slam ala mn etb'a alhuda (peace be upon who followed the right path)
At first, I ask ALLAH to guide you all.
Second, I hope my weak English will help my late short answer be acceptable for you all.
By your comments, you all assert that the Holy verse from ALLAH's book, which mentioned in comments, is meaningful and there is no doubt to believe in it. Back to see the comments then come to answer honestly why do you all hate Teresa Corbin? Why should sister Teresa have friends who hate her or her Islamic religion?
Teresa, me and others, who follow ALLAH as the one GOD and Mohammad as His servant and messenger, believe in and prepare for the judgement day not because we want be terrorists but because we believe that the justice is only at that day, so Teresa ignores some of you because she will not argues with who hate her and her religion. Instead, her haters will just rise her status in paradise and lower their status in fire, but anyway, I am sure, She is very relax and pray to all guidance.
Finally, I come to recommend you all to asks honestly ALLAH guidance.
Thank you all