Friday, June 20, 2014

Salvation in Islam and Christianity

Daniel Scot and Shadid Lewis discuss salvation in Christianity and Islam.


Unknown said...

I Thought this would be a terrible debate. Atlast, I m nt at all surprised by the facts of Shadid lewis...Did he speak like an apologist? LOL..A common muslim who i debate on FB is far bttr than him.

Radical Moderate said...

Listing to the debate and all of Shadid's points are easily refuted.

A few things that comes to mind. He kept saying "Only God is your savior, we only need God". I kept saying to my computer, "AMEN yes Christ our savior is GOD"

Another thing is he gave a classic example of injustice and called it justice.

He gave a personal example that he got a speeding ticket. Went to court and the judge took into account his driving record and dismissed the case. He did not receive a fine etc... He said if this Judge can be Just then why can't god be just as just. Is he so locked in that he has to follow his laws.

What Shadid and other Muslims fail to understand is that this is not justice, this is an INJUSTICE, and that is all they can hope for is a unjust GOd.

On another note I wrote a response to Adnan Rashid and other Muslims claiming that the woman murdered in England was killed because she was a Muslim.

Dkman was kind enough to publish it on his blog.

Adnan Rashid Proven IslamoPhobiaPhobe!

Isaac said...

@ Daniel Scot/Anthony Rogers
I am really pleased that Mr. Scot did convey the truth, but Mr. Shadid Lewis conveniently deflected the truth by playing word game. If Islamic paradise is only for the white then blacks have no place in Mohammad’s paradise. On the contrary blood of Jesus cleanses every one’s sin whether black or white as snow. For better understanding read all the verses below:

Psalms 51:5-7
5: Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6: Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7: Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Isaiah 1: 18
18: Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
2 King 5: 25-27 (Request read the entire chapter)

25 & 26: ……..

27: The leprosy therefore of Na’a-man shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed forever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.

Based on the above verse Mr. Shadid Lewis will surely be white in Mohammad’s paradise, like Elisha’s servant. I am brown and would rather become black than to look like Elisha’s servant.

gabriella oak said...

Thank you for the link RM. An excellent article refuting the ridiculous Adnan Rashid.

Anonymous said...

Mr Lewis still has not grasped the fact that a Righteous Holy Creator cannot but require an account of and reckoning for all sins and crimes. God cannot simply go against His perfect justice and forgive and forget sins/crimes without first having made provision for this (Christ’s work on the cross).

A price has to be paid one way or another. Either we pay it and end up in hell or Christ/God pays it for us. That is why it is called to “redeem” or to be “redeemed”, because a payment (bought with a price i.e. Christ’s/God’s atoning sacrifice) has been made in exchange for our corrupted by sin souls (“For you were bought at a price” 1Corinthians 6:20).

That was the only way that both God’s just nature and His merciful nature could both be satisfied at the same time.

Lewis also talks about the word ‘grace’ (God’s mercy and forgiveness) in the Quran. But just throwing the word ‘grace’ around without any provision for grace (God’s mercy and forgiveness) having been made, means nothing.

Any idiot can write a book like the Quran with the word ‘grace’ sprinkled throughout claiming that God will dispense it. But that book will have nothing to do with the reality of God’s justice because no provision for grace has been made. And as we all know, the Quran actually denies any requirement for any provision and instead claims that a Holy and Just God will simply and unjustly wave away all sin/crime as if it were of no importance. What great presumption and blasphemy this is.

Lewis also talks about ‘good works’. But good works have nothing to do with gaining salvation, but are done out of gratitude for having already been saved, and also for the purpose of advertising God’s kingdom and grace to others so that they will themselves glorify God (Matthew 5:16). Our works should only reflect that we are already saved.

Lewis’ view, as also taught by the Quran, is very naive, simple and ignorant to say the least.

Anonymous said...

just had a mini debate with a muslim girl in the mall today...of course she denied the need for a sacrificial substitute so when I tried to explain that the old testament is full of sacrifices for sin atonements and the temple was patterned specifically for sacrifice she refused to hear it....repeatedly and even said that she refused even to read the old testament to see if God actually instituted these things......what gives?....don't muslims even read the old testament?

Zack_Tiang said...

Shadid just completely undermined his own personal testimony of the speeding ticket, with regards to the "Lord, Lord" quote from Jesus he commented on.

He boasted how the judge was (more) just by not "sticking to the law"...
Yet earlier, he was saying Jesus was speaking against those who do not obey the law in the "Lord, Lord" verse (Matthew 7:21-23).

So, based on his own comment of what Jesus meant, Jesus thus deems the judge who overlooked Shadid's speeding ticket was one who did not obey the law, thus not just.
So what was Shadid's point again?

Zack_Tiang said...

Incredible how Shadid speaks so much about "if you have a hatred of a group or another religioun, you can't read/interpret their scriptures rightly"... yet doesn't see how he himself have been doing that all this while, not just in this debate.
Pray God lifts the veil off of him so he can see his unrighteous deeds and turn to God and Jesus and seek forgiveness that he may be forgiven.