Monday, May 12, 2014

Muhammad in Song of Solomon 5:16?

The Qur'an puts Muslim apologists in a difficult position by claiming that the Bible contains clear prophecies about Muhammad (see Qur'an 7:157 and 61:6). Muslim writers, speakers, and debaters have had nearly fourteen centuries to find these prophecies, so if they can't show us where the Bible talks about Muhammad, we can only conclude that the Qur'an is wrong when it appeals to the Bible for support.

Some of the arguments our Muslim friends use seem to be based on sheer desperation. For instance, popular Muslim apologists like Zakir Naik and Shabir Ally claim that Muhammad is mentioned by name in Song of Solomon 5:16. Zakir Naik writes:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language -im is added for respect. Similarly -im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.
Shabir Ally adds:
Now what remains is for us to specify where in the Bible to find mention of our prophet. In the Old Testament there are many references. The most significant is Song of Solomon, chapter 5, verse 16. This verse mentions our prophet by name. It says in the Hebrew language Bibles "He is Muhammad." But English translations have "He is altogether lovely" instead of the real truth. You need to insist that, since it says our prophet's name in the Hebrew, the "altogether lovely" translation is nothing more than a camouflage hiding our prophet's name. Tell every Bible reader whether Jew or Christian to ask any Hebrew scholar to read the Hebrew word which appears as "altogether lovely" in the translation. You will hear that word pronounced "Muhammad." Why then hide what you should believe?
For anyone who has read Song of Solomon, this is an amazing verse to cite as evidence for Islam! Song of Solomon is a short poetic book about a loving, physical relationship between Solomon and his bride (there are a variety of interpretations, but none will help turn this into a prophecy about Muhammad). Some Muslims claim that this book can't be the Word of God, because of the way Solomon and his bride talk about each other's bodies. For example, in chapter 7, verses 1-3, Solomon says to his bride:
How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! 
Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of an artist's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle.
Solomon continues praising her body. And yet Muslims go to this book to find a prophecy about Muhammad!

Let's turn to chapter 5, which supposedly mentions Muhammad by name. In the first verse of the chapter, Solomon says:
I have come into my garden, my sister, my bride; I have gathered my myrrh with my spice. I have eaten my honeycomb and my honey; I have drunk my wine and my milk.
Solomon talks about drinking wine. But again, Muslims go to this chapter to find a prophecy about Muhammad!

Let's read the so-called prophecy of Muhammad in context. In verse 8, Solomon's bride says to her friends, "Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you—if you find my beloved, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love."

Her friends respond in verse 9 by asking her, "How is your beloved better than others, most beautiful of women?"

She answers them in verses 10 through 16. Let's read the passage and see if we can spot the prophecy about Muhammad.

Solomon's bride says:
My beloved is radiant and ruddy, outstanding among ten thousand.

His head is purest gold; his hair is wavy and black as a raven.

His eyes are like doves by the water streams, 
washed in milk, mounted like jewels.

His cheeks are like beds of spice yielding perfume. His lips are like lilies dripping with myrrh.

His arms are rods of gold set with topaz. His body is like polished ivory decorated with lapis lazuli.

His legs are pillars of marble set on bases of pure gold.
 His appearance is like Lebanon, choice as its cedars.

His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.
This last verse, according to our Muslim friends, is somehow about Muhammad. Why should we interpret this verse as a prophecy about Muhammad? Muslims reason that, since the Hebrew for "altogether lovely" is machmadim, and machmadim sounds somewhat similar to the name "Muhammad," the verse is actually referring to Muhammad by name. (Note: Zakir Naik claims that the suffix -im is "added for respect" in Hebrew, but this is sheer nonsense. The suffix -im is added to form the plural, which may be a plural of intensity, i.e., "altogether." But let's forgive this blunder and pretend that the word used is the singular "machmad," which is closer to "Muhammad.") So Song of Solomon 5:16 should be translated:
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is Muhammad. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.
Notice a couple of points here. First, this is Solomon's bride talking. So if Solomon's bride is delivering a prophecy about Muhammad, then she is a prophetess, according to our Muslim friends (unless the author of Song of Solomon is merely portraying her as a prophetess).

Second, the bride is praising a man's body. This makes perfect sense if she's talking about her husband. But if our Muslim friends insist that she's talking about Muhammad, they're accusing Solomon's bride of lusting after another man (Muhammad) in a vision given to her by God.

Third, if 5:16 is about Muhammad, then Solomon's wife calls Muhammad her "beloved." But in chapter 7, verse 10, she says, "I belong to my beloved, and his desire is for me." Since Muhammad is her beloved (according to the Islamic interpretation), she declares in 7:10 that she belongs to Muhammad and that Muhammad desires her. How did Solomon's bride belong to Muhammad? Why would Muhammad desire a woman who had been dead for more than fifteen centuries?

Either Song of Solomon is an extremely troubling story about a time-traveling adulterous love affair between Solomon's bride and Muhammad, or the book simply has nothing to do with Muhammad.

But things get worse for our Muslim friends. The word machmad is used in many places in the Old Testament. It refers to something pleasing, treasured, or lovely. So if machmad is actually Muhammad's name, we need to be consistent and say that wherever the word machmad is used, it's referring to Muhammad. Let's consider two passages that use the word machmad and see what happens if we translate the word as "Muhammad."

In Ezekiel 24:16, Ezekiel's wife is called "machmad," because she's treasured by Ezekiel. So if machmad means "Muhammad," Muhammad must have been Ezekiel's wife! Is that what any Muslim believes? Of course not. So why do Muslims keep telling us that machmad means "Muhammad"?

Just five verses later in Ezekiel, God tells the children of Israel that Jerusalem will be conquered and that the temple will be destroyed. He says, "I am about to desecrate my sanctuary—the stronghold in which you take pride, the delight of your eyes" (Ezekiel 24:21). The word "delight" here is machmad. So if machmad is the name "Muhammad," God is promising to desecrate Muhammad! Is that what Shabir Ally and Zakir Naik want us to believe God is saying? (For further uses of machmad, see 1 Kings 20:6; 2 Chronicles 36:19; Lamentations 1:10-11; 2:4; Isaiah 64:11; Ezekiel 24:25; Hosea 9:6; and Joel 3:5.)

This is what happens when Muslim apologists try to force Muhammad into the Bible. They go to a passage in which Solomon's bride is praising her husband's body, and they expect us to believe that she's actually having adulterous thoughts about a future prophet. Shabir Ally and Zakir Naik take a perfectly normal Hebrew word and try to transform it into a prophecy of Muhammad, but in doing so they end up claiming that Muhammad was Ezekiel's wife and that God promises to desecrate him!

Since Shabir calls Song of Solomon 5:16 the "most significant" reference to Muhammad in the entire Old Testament, we can only wonder how persuasive the rest are!

For more on Song of Solomon 5:16 and its supposed reference to Muhammad, be sure to visit the following links:


Unknown said...

I don't think this is the strongest arguments Muslims can make from the Hebrew language here. There is a kol (all) there before machamaddim, so if we take the Islamic translation literally it would be, "all of him is Muhammed???" Or "he is wholly Muhammed???" Or "he is very Muhammed???" I don't see how that makes sense.

I don't see how this fits in line with the first sentence. Especially since this is Hebrew parallelism.

His mouth is most sweet, he is very Muhammed????" I think it's best to render it, "he is very desirable."

goethechosemercy said...

Muslims reason that, since the Hebrew for "altogether lovely" is machmadim, and machmadim sounds somewhat similar to the name "Muhammad," the verse is actually referring to Muhammad by name.

That's not reasoning.
That's wishful thinking.

Jihad Valiyaveettil said...

For some reasons if u take the solomon 5:16 in to google translate and changed Hebrew in to English it tells Uncle Mhmdim, not even Mchmdim.
"Wait sweets have run out
My uncle Mhmdim
And that my friends daughters
Against Jerusalem" This is what google translate 5:16 solomon in to.

Jihad Valiyaveettil said...

For some reasons if u take the solomon 5:16 in to google translate and changed Hebrew in to English it tells Uncle Mhmdim, not even Mchmdim.
"Wait sweets have run out
My uncle Mhmdim
And that my friends daughters
Against Jerusalem" This is what google translate 5:16 solomon in to.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if anyone has caught on to the fact that machamaddim (plural of machamad) is an adjective and not a noun (proper name)?

shahid husain said...

All our Christian friends perhaps don't know the meaning of the word 'Mohammad'. It's meaning is ' the praised one'. So, if they apply the meaning to the translation they accept that the verse is about Prophet Mohammad.

Muhammad Jamil Gamutan said...

wa Shalam
aw Kalinaw

Indeed, each has its own understanding or interpretation. The pure of intent, the pure of heart desire how about the challenge - Mubahalah

This is: 'And unto him who disputeth with thee therein, after the knowledge hath come unto thee, Say! 'come ye, let us summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves and then let us invoke and lay the curse of God on the liars!' (Qur'an 3:61)

In the lifetime of Muhammad was the challenge accepted by those who denied Muhammad as the Truthful One.

Muhammad Jamil Gamutan said...

Salam wa Shalom aw Kalinaw

There is a challenge in the not so distant past - Mubahalah

This is: 'And unto him who disputeth with thee therein, after the knowledge hath come unto thee, Say! 'come ye, let us summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves and then let us invoke and lay the curse of God on the liars!' (Qur'an 3:61)

Maybe those who claim authority accept the challenge.

MoOH Alma said...

חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלם׃
מחמדים מחמדים .. First of all , we all studied that Names are Names, we can not translate it or give it another Name because it is already.. like humans names..
So, if you look in old testament ( Hebrew ) in song of solomon 5:16, it is
חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלם׃ , and מחמדים is mhmd , go translate it in google to english or german or any language it will give you mhmd or mahmad.. Or ask a native speaking hebrew to read it to you and focus in hear the sound of what he say and you will hear it from him so clear.. and bible is faked after they translated it..
his mouth is most mouth, he is mohamed . there is no very .
this is a christian site, go check it ..
and when you read the sentens with mohamed than it make sense.. and finish the misunderstanding between the 3 holy religions..

Islam Peace said...

Jay said...

The desperate attempt of Muslims trying to insert the ishmealite fake prophet muhammad into a no prophecy love poem

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

Even i came accross Mr Deedat saying in humorus tone not even taking effort to read this words context with meaning. hebrew is a combine to 2 word mah= ? and maddim = loveable, can anyone in the word name themself with ? meaning. can i have a meaning for my name How praised.... This false utterance to fit their scope in our BIBLE.

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

Why u look for translation, please go and find the meaning of the word used and what is its construction this word. Then we will take further.

Unknown said...

the translation of the Hebreu Song of Solomon 5:16:
חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלים
is: Wait sweets and mind Mhmdim this uncle and that my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.
MHMDIM here is the name "MHMD" of prophet Muhammad, plus the word "IM" witch means in Hebreu :someone who has a great ranking.
it's like when we mention prophet Muhammad in arabic we say after: God's peace be upon him.

Anonymous said...

I dont know where your getting that the bride is lusting? She is just decribing him. And she is telling the daughters of jerusalem that he is her friend. And desires her meaning wanting her to believe he will come, as she is wanting to believe. When your kids misbehave you get this desire to ground them. Desire doesnt always mean lusting. This guy is clearly confused who wrote this. But I suggest everyone read with the willing of a clear understanding and openess to learn.

Addie said...

Thank you Danise, also Mohamad came long after the Old and New Testament, so how could she have had a love affair, its Absurd!

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

Hi Addie, may be mohammad liked this name and may have borrowed.
But in Hb the word Mahammdim is combination Noun+Verb. Ex: Glad is a Noun, and How is a verb so no foolish person in the word would keep his/her name a combination of N+V How Glad...... its seems utter senseless...and this muslim preacher h/l their mistake so cofidently.
Our Lord YHWH has no reason to include the doctrine of evolution and his inventor Mr mohammad in our HOLY BIBLE. else it contradicts the nature (ELOHIM the creator) and ADONAI The LORD GOD CREATION to null and void.
Our Lord teaches us to love another humans because we are made in the likeness of God.Destroying Human is destroying the creation of LORD....can we afford to do than. But the evultionist has no care for creation because man evolved from tiny aimless molecules, rotating in the universe and evoled to present form over several 100+ yrs . How people follow this concept blindly.

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

There cant be and can never any thrash in our HOLY BIBLE. because several places the divinity of our LORD Jesus Christ is attested and confirmed by the heavenly Father YHWH, 2 prominent places 1- at baptism of LORD at the hands of John the baptism and before the passion of our saviour. If this 2 verse are deliberately skipped by unbelivers then what they a challenging our faith proves that their conception conceived is false because they have no autenticity to their book. Our Lord Jesus at several places openly proclaims that HE is from HIS Father- Blessed is the ONE who comes in the name of FATHER. what else can these kasais can find these types of pearls and life giving words in their book. Their book only says kill kill and be killed in the name of thier so called god.....if their god is so jeolous and insane that he cant kill others, then what parameter we can use to atleast to think from theological point.....ONLY one way is that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD YHWH ELOHIM>

Salah Dosky said...

Go to the christian website :

there you will find a detailed analyses of each word of the verse, its pronunciation, its meaning and if it is a noun or adjective.. etc.
for the Hebrew word " מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים" it says:

pronunciation :ma-ḥă-mad-dîm;
English meaning: [is] lovely
Morph: Noun
So it is clear that מַחֲמַדִּ֑ is a name and pronounced: "Muhammad"

Simple take that word"מַחֲמַדִּ֑" and put it in any translation software from Hebrew to Arabic it will give you the arabic word " محمد" wich is the name of Muhammed in arabic.

karim fazil said...

I don't know why u argue about this because Christianity started with Paul who claim to hv met Jesus but lies....can any Christian tell me why u people killed Peter in the Vatican...ur words are not truth yet you claim to be people of the book...1commandement tells you that u shall have no other God but one, today u people stand in public saying Jesus is God but him himself said "my God is your God, and my father is your father",u people believe in what u see and a believer doesn't hv those characteristic...go on the bible and find where the land of kedar is, it's say in the "from the land of kedar I will rise a prophet"kedar is the great grand father of mohammad,and last Jesus said to all israelien "u denied me my father will take his Kingdom to another tribe,,if u really are smart..ask yourself what tribe was Jesus referring to???that where the songs of salmon come in....u can deny it all u want but no1 can change the word of God but u Christians are changing the verses in the bible and claim to be believers,,,,ur church catholics is false and its your first Christianity believe and here u came yesterday u talking like u know all...All am sure about is that the same race of Jesus is against your false believe wich a made up believe by the romains to get to rule without sword or war....

Twinkie Twinkler said...

The intro is not very well structured.

Zovra Bashaev said...

Just to clarify. The arabic name Muhammad is an adjective - it means mu-hamd, which means "one who is praiseworthy". You will find the prefix "mu" in a lot of arabic words (mu-slim - one who is at peace, mu-takkabir - one who is arrogant etc).

This is where the connection comes with the greek translation "altogether lovely" being comparable to "one who is praiseworthy". Nobody is saying "prophet Muhammad" the person is referenced in this verse but rather that the same word is used. I believe it is generally used in an ironic sense and was popularised by Ahmed Deedat.

Clearly if one analyses the context of song of solomon it makes no sense that it would refer to a person and certainly not the prophet Muhammad. Furthermore anyone would an understanding of language will know that arabic and hebrew are related to aramaic and therefore there are many words found in both.

I post this in all respect to my Christian brothers. May God protect and guide us all. Ultimately we will all die and face God one day so we must not get angry with each other when discussing and debating religion.

Unknown said...

OK bob

Analizer said...

i have study the songs of solomon too. and yes i do agree that muslims are way out of their head with this one.

first: they take Acts 3:22(KJV) --For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. they claim this is about the prophet mohammed. next they say that John 14:16 is saying that the prophet Mohammed is the ' comforter' BUT if you read ad verse 26 it clearly says that the comforter is the HOLY GHOST, not Mohammed. and now they found a word that sounds like the name of the prophet, they assume it must be him. ridiculous statement if you ask me.

Analizer said...

if we are going to use a word that is in hebrew and it sounds either arabic in name or in objects or what ever and assuming it has arabic meaning, then it can go sideways. did you know that the word 'akbar' in arabic is similar to the hebrew word 'achbar'? which means mouse? so if we... use the logic of a hebrew word that sounds arabic so it(must mean it has a arabic meaning) technique then, whenever i hear a muslim says allahu akbar... your saying God is a mouse!! using your logic lets me downgrade the God of Abraham,isaac and jacob into something smaller then a himan being that i can actually kill!! you see the folly in this? i wanna ask all muslim to go study hebrew/aramaic and find out for yourself what the chapter is really saying, instead of relying on google translators or what somebody else said.

Analizer said...

quote: from the land of kedar I will rise a prophet"kedar is the great grand father of mohammad,and last Jesus said to all israelien "u denied me my father will take his Kingdom to another tribe,,

true God did promise to make ishmael a great nation amd the he will be fruitfull and blessed. and that in the land of Kedar there shall be a prophet. if God had to raise a Prophet to make his promise to Abraham a reality then so be it. who am i to question how the almighty does things, if ofcourse Mohammad is the direct descendent of Kedar.

also about jesus saying that "ye have denied me and my father" strange to see a muslim using this verse because according to them its outrageous for jesus to call GOD his father because GOD can't concieve a child (their reasoning for interpertate some verses literally). and the part of the kingdom will go to another tribe: take note in the same book of isaiah 14:1--For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

after all the disobedience, the denial, the disrespect... for Jacob's sake, he will yet choose Israel (isrealite tribe) so sorry the kingdom is not going anywhere. GOD does not change his promise or word. his is the almighty he is perfection and he is the way of the Truth.

Deborah X said...

I'm really surprised that this claim would even be considered scholarly. Even someone who doesn't read Hebrew can clearly see that in the context of the passage, the bride is discussing her husband. Also, why would Muhammad's name be bured in the relatively obscure and unusual book of Song of Solomon?! Someone who knows Hebrew knows 1)- The "Mem" is simply pre-formative, and not actually part of the root word, 2)- The letter transliterated as "He" is actually pronounced as "Che", thus eradicating any phonetic similarity to "Muhammad", and 3)- The root word is an ADJECTIVE, not a name! I actually had to re-read Shabir Ally's words just to make sure I was seeing correctly, as his claims are beyond ridiculous. The Jewish scholars changed a name into an adjective? Really? I think it would be far more honest and consistent to accept that the Biblical texts do NOT mention Muhammad, and the Qur'an is in error.

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

Hi Deborah, i fully agree with you, & much appreciate your high research text, which proves muhammad father may have copied this adjective, if mohammad changed his name latter, he is poor in grammer. muslim should not call him muhammad, but how lovely. then muslims should know what integrity they hold for their for their text with accurate reliabilty. We christians are aware when a person copies the text of others in disguise form they commit errors which are unkown to them & not logical.
Every muslim if their should forgets this passage purposely in CONTEXT. purposeful error. If they are honest, their only way is leave the errorful text & come bk to HOLY BIBLE.

Khaled T said...


Mem = מ
Het = ח
Mem = מ
Dalet = ד
Majestic Plural = ים

Mhmd or محمد

Its clearly Mhmd Hebrew letters without Vouls.

The Original Hebrew Bible was written without Vouls.

Conclusion the Name is Mhmd arabic محمد hebrew מחמדים with Majestic Plural added

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

I appreciate how you disguise holy text even sensing the contest to the word. Plz confirm the word mhmd used is for professy, If this is not so then where is your stand.(plz follow the context......)
What is this concept of majestic plural.....great on the spot invention. very smart to prove your point by hook or crook.....
Bible needs no mention of such irrelevant fig.

Khaled T said...

Hi My Faith..
Old testament was Written in Ancient Hebrew not English!

Please check this Hebrew Audio Bible link or use any hebrew Audio sites available online and listen.

Download "Songs of Solomom 5 Audio and listen

Go to the 2.29 seconds of the Audio and listen yourself. MHMDim is pronounced. Hebrew מחמדים

Read this Quote

In the Hebrew Bible "ELOHim, when meaning the God of Israel, is mostly grammatically singular. Even in Genesis 1:26 "Then God said (singular verb), 'Let us make (plural verb) man in our image, after our likeness'", Elohim is singular. Wilhelm Gesenius and other Hebrew grammarians traditionally described this as the pluralis excellentiae (plural of excellence), which is similar to the pluralis majestatis(plural of majesty, or "Royal we").

Khaled T said...

I would also Like to reply to Deborah X

Check this link regarding the
Hebrew letter in question

"ח" chet or Het?

Ḥet or H̱et (also spelled Khet, Kheth, Chet,Cheth, Het, or Heth) is the eighth letter of the Semitic abjads, including Phoenician Hēt ,Hebrew Hēt ח, Aramaic Hēth , Syriac Hēt, and Arabic Hā' ح.

Notice the Semetic Languages

My Faith Lord Jesus Christ said...

Hello Brother agree OLD TESTAMENT WRITTEN in Hb.
Plz explain SOS chap 6 whole. Before jumping to a specific phonetic word mhd-im, Plz explain the relevance of this 3 characters. Is this a prophesy or profound dialouge between intimate lovers at present time or ref to future time, then came back to verse 16 only. Plz dont jump to verse 16 for this word,brother.

Bro, Plz explain in Genesis chap 18 verse front of him(Abraham) stood THREE MEN(not man).Clue for you, verse 5....."Very well" THEY replied. Verse 8....set it before THE MEN(not man) Plz explain in context from the bible itself.

Khaled T said...

Hi My Faith

Check this Link

In regards to Genesis 18:2

This is called irregular Plural noun "Men"

In regards to The Word MHMDim it is a masculine noun or adjective not a feminine noun. A singular masculine plural.

Fanglima Gk said...

Just wait and see maybe 2020-2025

kuku Lucy said...

muslims afre simply idoits this is the most hilarious reference any muslim has made hahahahahahahahaha

Amanda Wait said...

I have a Muslim trying to do Dawah in my FB inbox and trying to convince me the Bible is false, but in the same breath trying to prove Mohammad is mentioned in the Bible. He told me about Song of Solomon and Mohammad. I couldn't stop laughing!
Muslims are so desperate wanting to validate their prophet and religion by our Bible and our God.

The lengths these people will go to is ridiculous! I can only shake my head in amazement. When I got to the part where you wrote Mohammad must have been Ezekiel's wife! I was screaming with laughter. Lord have mercy!

I pray for them! I love them with the love of Christ. I pray they come to the knowledge of the truth about Lord Jesus. :'(

I am so grateful for this site. God bless you abundantly in Jesus' blessed holy Name! Thank you!

mary schlitt said...

mary schlitt said...

Referring to Song of Solomon 5:16, Solomons bride...why would she be talking about another man other then Solomon? His body etc... if people of Islam believe this to be Mohammad she is referring to,,then Peopke of Islam are calling Solomons Bride a whore

ShieldOfTheKingdom said...

Muhammad in Hebrew is מוחמד and not "lovely" in song 5 which is מַחְמָד
The Muslims are simply taking something out of context, just like the claim the Holy Spirit is Garbriel.

Riasat Mobashar said...

Is your prophet Mohammed GOD? In Arabic MohammAd means "THE PRAISED ONE" who is GOD. MohammEd means "The One who PRAISES or PRAISER". Is your prophet THE ONE WHO PRAISES GOD or is he "THE PRAISED ONE" (GOD)?

Solomon is a book written under the DIRECT INSPIRATION (Wahee) OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD. And that is why Muslims SO DEPARATELY want to get their prophet MohammED in this book to prove that MohammED was a LEGITIMATE PROPHET of THE ALMIGHTY GOD (YAHWEH). (1). The verse of The Holy Bible that you have been copying and pasting LINGUISTICALLY is INCORRECT when you insert MohammED there as my brother have been explaining to you. (2). Its TEXTUALLY/CONTEXTUALLY INCORRECT when you insert MohammED in it, again as my brothers have been explain it to you. (3). MohammED and Muslims claim that MohammED was a prophet of ALLAH. MohammED IS NOT a PROPHET OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD (YAHWEH) whom The Prophet and King Solomon worshiped, who was guided and INSPIRED BY YAHWEH to write the book of the Song of Solomon. (4). AAAAAAAAAAAALL PRAISE belongs to THE ALMIGHTY GOD (YAHWEH)! He is THE ONLY ONE WORTHY OF AAAAAAAAAAALL PRAISE! NO ONE, NO ONE except THE ALMIGHTY GOD is "THE PRAISED ONE" - "ALL TOGETHER LOVELY"! Implicating ANYBODY other than THE ALMIGHTY GOD to be "THE PRAISED ONE" - "ALL TOGETHER LOVELY" is a BLASPHEMY (SHIRK, KOFAR)! (5). Ask a SOUFI Muslim who will EDUCATE you that THE REAL LOVER and THE PRAISED ONE is THE GOD ALMIGHTY and NOT MohammED! (6). It is EXTREMELY CLEAR THROUGHOUT The Holy Bible that THE BRIDE is The Church (People; The Followers of Jesus NOT The church building.) and her GROOM, THE LOVER, is The Lord Jesus Christ [The Almighty God (YAHWEH) who Took The Human Body and loved among us.]! And the Song of Solomon is the PROPHETIC description of THE REAL (PURE) LOVE (ISHQ-e-HAQEEQI) between THE ALMIGHTY GOD and HIS PEOPLE! Any other implication is a BLASPHEMY (SHIRK, KOFAR)! May The Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on you and open your heart, mind, and eyes for HIS glory!

Malaya Kristian said...

Muslims claim the Song of Solomon is a book or porn and therefor is not the Word of God. Yet, they try to prove the name of Muhammad in the the Book. That is being very smart coming from a 1400 year old culture.

Aws said...

It is worth emphasizing that the aim of (most) Moslims raising up such points is to make sure that the message of Islam reaches you. It is up to you then to do your research and look for the truth. Before that, please make sure to dig deep in your heart and assure that you are not biased, don't have any previous assumptions, and really seeking for the truth. Otherwise, I think there is no need to waste your time. Just enjoy your life and religion, if you are really a practicing one!

Please take into consideration which religion is the most expanding one, how many people are leaving each religion, which religion most attracts practicing and knowledgeable figures of other religions, and what are the reasons that make people accepting Islam compared to other religions? Is it money, facilities for new poor immigrants, or people who are converting to Islam, most likely are loosing all such benefits with full pleasure? Thanks God that your task will be so easy with the huge amount of resources on the web.

Believe me, if you put the required effort, you will be guided to the truth wherever it is. Inspite of the difficult days we are facing, we as Moslims have fulfill our task of conveying the message of Islam to all people on earth, and let them freely make their decision.

I suggest that, as part of your research, you refer to people of knowledge who converted to Islam as they are aware of their previous religion details. God asked prophet Mohammad to refer to scholars with knowledge in Torah, who moved to Madenah waiting for the last prophet, to assure that the message he received is the complete truth from God.

Please consider my reply as a message of love not debate

Islamisawesome said...

Note..Adam is also called son of God discrediting Jesus'divinity..and Muslims are not idiots.. And we are not trying to prove anything facts just prove Islam being true

Think about it said...

When writing this statement “Hebrew for "altogether lovely" is machmadim,” you have translated the errors of the translator. The original Hebrew text states דמחמ and the original translator should have translated this as “Muhammad.” Use any Hebrew translation tool and it will show the original Hebrew word means “Muhammad,” not “altogether lovely.” So the original translator was incorrect in their translation. The translator translated incorrectly and you are using this as evidence to support your argument. You are using false evidence to support your claims. Then you say “altogether lovely” means machmadim and “refers to something pleasing, treasured, or lovely.” Here you are using “altogether lovely,” which has been incorrectly translated, to mean something else. Now, you are trying to translate the incorrect translation. This is like Chinese whisper. The first person gets the message wrong and the second person misunderstands the first message, further stating the message incorrectly.

Further, in the presence of a loved one, like a husband, you can speak of somebody else being dearer to you then your husband, like God or a prophet. This does not mean it is another lover. She is also not a whore because she is showing she loves God or a prophet, she is showing belief in God's and prophets. You do know there are different types of love. Are you telling me that you have never spoken to your spouse about God or a prophet, or how much you love God or prophet Jesus (PBUH). Does this mean you are a whore if you mention prophet Jesus (PBUH) in the presence of your spouse. Anybody who believes in God or a prophet, love them differently to their spouse or a family member, and will speak of them more highly then their spouse or family member . This doesn’t mean they don’t love their spouse or family, but it does mean they love God or a prophet differently. So when speaking to family members you can speak of God as someone you love, and you usually speak of God in higher terms then other family members. If this bride is mentioning prophet Muhammad (PBUH), then she is conveying that she is a believer in him as a prophet, and that she loves him differently to her new husband.

Angelo Immanuel said...

Brother David, I was an agnostic, although I was not psycho like you as you said in a video. I converted to Christianity in 2007 after debating a scientist priest in 2006. We debated about creation of matter and energy. I have been visiting this site since 2009. ONLY THIS YEAR IN 2017 I saw that there is an option to read it in other languages by selecting language. I tried to copy and spread it to my European friends in German, French, Spanish and other languages. But they said that the translations are really really bad. Full of mistakes. Just like Google Translation.

ŞhåßãN Ÿũsůf said...

i am amazed that This Guy Always play with words and Grammar to fool others as well as himself
the word "Lovely" in Hebrew "Machmmad" as he says... how can you change an expression into Plural
are you fool ?? do you say "i am Happies" do you say "i am angries"
Lovely can not be made plural .... if Hebrew bible somewhere says "Machmad" is means "Lovely"
but if it says once "Machmmad'im" it can not be made "Lovelies" ... but tried to play with the translation "Altogether Lovely" what it has to do with "Altogether".. this this is clearly indicate that "Machammad'im" is the name because the suffix "im" cant be made plural in the sense here........ this is "Machmmad'im" "Respected Muhammad"

Anonymous said...

DAVID WOOD (MENTAL) and OTHER CHRISTIAN JOKERS argue and bring false allegation and LIES against our BELOVED PROPHET saw.............BUT these CHRISTIAN fools don't know HOW MUCH FALSE ALLEGATIONS and LIES "their beloved JEWS brothers" bring against Christ JESUS (pbuh)............My question is---Are These Allegations And Lies told by JEWS against Jesus (pbuh) TRUE ?????...........Same is The case with CHRITIANS and MUSLIMS............CHRISTIAN lies and allegations AGAINST the HOLY PROPHET saw are all BASELESS and without any real knowledge and understanding.............GOD'S curse on THEM who LIES and bring False Allegations against HIS PROPHETS (peace be upon them all)

Anonymous said...

David WOOD (mental) and CHRISTIAN liars........i wonder......if you don't understand ISLAM go to an MUSLIM RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR.......why do you PROPAGATE lies and FALSE allegations Against ISLAM without any real knowledge and proper Understanding about THE QURAN, HADITHS, HISTORY which you quote and explain so wrongly.......

Anonymous said...

We MUSLIMS love JESUS (pbuh) more than you christians...........YOUR claim to love JESUS is so fake.YOU hate MUSLIMS because MUSLIMS don't believe your claim that YOUR beloved JEWISH brothers CRUCIFIED this MIGHTY and INNOCENT Messenger of GOD......but in reality THE JEWS COULDN'T crufiy him........Though They Couldn't Crucify JESUS (pbuh);these Cursed Jews CRUCIFIED this NOBLE PROPHET in THEIR you also belief THIS NONSENCE so much so that YOUR great MURDERER saint SAUL (apostle of satan) invented THE STUPID CHRISTIANITY.......YOU CHRISTIANS support CURSED JEWS in their HATRED towards JESUS (pbuh) by YOUR nonsence SALVATION fiction........that is why YOU CHRISTIANS also SAME RESPONSIBLE with THE JEWS for attempting to MURDER this HOLY MESSENGER of GOD, JESUS (pbuh)

Zig-Zag said...

I'm totally lost with you guys !

I'm muslim .. and i couldn't find any clue to false the Qur'an ...

and either the bible . . . and they r not really connected , although it seems like it teaches the same way ... kind of similar

I remember an old saying , it says if the tied is complex , it's gonna dismantle itself

maybe later .. mayber after 500 years maybe in the next 10 years .. maybe after we die ...

but all what I'm sure of ... that we should spread peace and tolerance together

maybe this is what we will held accountable on the day of judgment

I hope you understand what I mean .. sorry for my poor english :(

Abdulqadir Omar Ziyad said...

In sematic languages like hebrew and arabic there is plural of respect and majesty, this may be one of them...Muhamadim, Elohim etc

David Wood said...

LOL! Abdulqadir Omar Ziyad, stop getting your information about Hebrew from liars like Deedat and Naik. There's no "plural of respect" in Hebrew. The -im in "Elohim" has nothing to do with respect. Even false gods are called "Elohim" in the Bible, and false gods are ridiculed and condemned. Here's a video showing what happens if we take Deedat and Naik seriously:

Abdulqadir Omar Ziyad said...

David wood.... What I know for sure is that this type of plural is present in arabic and the two languages are semetic in other words they have alot of things in common. Moreso, Allah says in the quran refering to himself alone "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian" (15:9). The quran mentions us clearly that our prophet was named in the bible and torah but, it's been modified and distorted.

David Wood said...

We're not talking about Arabic. If Hebrew authors used the suffix -im as a "plural of respect," then why don't we find it ANYWHERE? Why don't the Biblical authors refer to other prophets using this suffix in order to show respect? Why don't we read about Noahim, Abrahamim, Mosesim, and Davidim? You can't simply make up rules of grammar in order to defend your prophet.

vita buds said...

This is the problem when arguing with muslims. they don't give specific sensible answers. they give indirect answers which will lead to the point of guessing... that you will realize that their response does actually makes NO SENSE at all.

K.K.Kattanam. said...

The custodians and the Players of the Torah, Zabur that the Koran is based upon are Jews and these books are the actual history of the Jewish people and mention in these books as being the children of God : called Yehova . How come Muslims have usurped this Jewish history as being theirs ? None of the prophets in the Torah,Zabur nor Injil ever even mentioned the name Allah. Allah is another name for God as used in arabic just as Devam etc are names just meaning God 8n other languages.

Know God Know Peace said...

What is the name of God?

Simply Life said...

Because Noah, Abraham, Moses are still not the messenger of Quran from Allah but Muhammad (since IM means great people in ranking) said...

To all sincere truth seekers, it is nice to read your comments, rejoinders, criticism and what comes sincerely from thy heart. Isaiah 1:18 is good source of reflection. Let's move on. Shukran Allah, Thanks God.

ElRey Eskaya said...

To all sincere truth seekers, it is nice to read your comments, rejoinders, criticism and what comes sincerely from thy heart. Isaiah 1:18 is good source of reflection. Let's move on. Shukran Allah, Thanks God.

ElRey Eskaya said...

Rejoinder "(inserted)" for Blogger K.K.Kattanam. said...:


"The custodians and the Players of the Torah, Zabur that the Koran is based upon are Jews and these books are the actual history of the Jewish people and mention in these books as being the children of God : called Yehova . How come Muslims have usurped this Jewish history as being theirs ? None of the prophets in the Torah,Zabur nor Injil ever even mentioned the name Allah. Allah is another name for God as used in arabic just as Devam etc are names just meaning God 8n other languages." UNQUOTE.

(cite proof that I am wrong the word "Jew", "Jewish", "Judaism", "Judaic", is related to or of Judah, the son of Isaac, Isaac the son of Abraham. The Bible (rendered, translated in Greek, Latin, English, etc) is not only Jews or Jewish history. Isaac, his mother Sarah, and his father Abraham preceded Judah.

Furthermore, The Gospel According to Luke 3:37, [verse 37] "the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam the sons of God" ....

All male therein cited are all sons of God!!!

How about daughters of God would you interpretative agree also that Eve, Sarah, Hajar, Rebecca, Ruth, Mary and many nameless other daughters of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Muhammad except “Jesus, unless you believe in the holy blood holy grail” and of course Paul or Saul who accordingly is a eunuch all unnamed daughters of prophets are all daughters of God

Your statement therefore is absolutely inconsistent with the genealogy and history of Adam and Eve.

Thus, Verified and Certified absolutely erroneous, false and misleading.

If you believe that the bible is Jewish history, why you pronounced and even misspelled YHWH – Yehova? Aren’t you afraid? The Jews authority only speak of it once a year and replace the word with another name out of great respect, else death.

Lastly, May the Unseen forgive you for uttering blasphemous words.

ElRey Eskaya said...

Al-Quran Surah 16. An-Nahl, Ayah 125

ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ

Yusuf Ali Quran Translation: Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best who have strayed from His Path and who receive guidance.

ElRey Eskaya said...

Here is another biblical passage I wish to share:

Deuteronomy 33:1-5 King James Version (KJV)

33 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

My interpretative understanding are as follows:

Mount Sinai = Moses
Mount Seir = Jesus
Mount Paran = Muhammad

Any comment or rejoinder please.

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Peace & Love said...

So ElRey, that means by your "interpretation" Goo came from Moses, who then rose up Jesus, and God shined forth from Mohamed. Lol
Silly Moslim. Keep trying. The Jewish and Christians will never say Mohamed is mentioned in the Old or New Testament. Because HE ISN'T! (EXCEPT when Jesus talks about false prophets coming after him.)