Friday, April 25, 2014

Yahya Snow Advocates Sucking on the Tongues of Children

Say what you want about Yahya Snow's juvenile arguments and childish personal attacks, but at least he tries to respond to some of the odd things we read about Muhammad. Take, for instance, Muhammad's practice of sucking on the tongues of children, and letting them suck on his tongue:
Al-Adab al-Mufrad al-Bukhari 1183—It is related that Abu Hurayra said, "I never saw al-Hasan without my eyes overflowing with tears. That is because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, went out one day and I found him in the mosque. He took my hand and I went along with him. He did not speak to me until we reached the market of Banu Qaynuqa. He walked around it and looked. Then he left and I left with him until we reached the mosque. He sat down and wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, 'Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.' Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said, O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!'" (Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari, Number 1183)

Musnad Ahmad 16245—[Mua’wiya said]: I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire).
Most Muslims simply avoid passages like these, hoping that, by ignoring them, the world will never ask questions about them. But not Yahya Snow! Yahya takes the issue head-on:


So far, Yahya has given us two reasons for letting children suck on someone's tongue: (1) to quench their thirst, and (2) to calm them down.

Yahya claims that if Jesus or Mother Theresa had allowed children to suck on their tongues, they would have been praised for it. I have to disagree with Yahya here: it would still be weird no matter who was doing it. But let's grant that it's a "genuine act of devotion" to let children suck on your tongue in order to quench their thirst. Notice that, in the passage from Musnad Ahmad above, Muhammad was sucking on the tongue of al-Hasan. But this would mean that Muhammad wasn't giving al-Hasan his saliva in the arid environment; instead, he was taking saliva from al-Hasan. How is it a "genuine act of devotion" to steal a child's moisture in an arid environment?

But Yahya isn't finished.


Instead of giving these hungry children milk or water, Muhammad would spit in their mouths enough to satisfy them. Here Yahya may appeal to the arid environment, but this is the prophet who used to shoot water from his fingers, isn't it? Muhammad is passing out female captives left and right, and dividing the spoils of war with his followers. But all the children get is a mouthful of spit?

Yahya also mentions the "blessings within the Prophet's saliva." Apparently, Muhammad's spit was miraculously sweet, with the power to sweeten an entire well:


Unfortunately, Yahya has ignored the most important reason Muhammad sucked on children's tongues. As we read in Musnad Ahmad, "no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)." In other words, Muhammad had the power to guarantee salvation simply by sucking on a child's tongue. Since Muhammad himself didn't know whether he was going to heaven or to hell, this is an amazing power. Even if a child grows up to be an axe-murderer, the child will not go to hell, so long as Muhammad sucked on his tongue or lips. (Note: According to Muhammad, drinking his urine would also guarantee salvation, not to mention forever cure a person of stomach ailments.)

So we have five reasons for sucking on the tongues of children, letting them suck on someone's tongue, and spitting in their mouths:
(1) Taking saliva from them, or giving them saliva.
(2) Calming them down.
(3) Satisfying them until evening.
(4) Sharing miraculous sweetness.
(5) Ensuring their salvation.
Obviously, reasons (4) and (5) only apply to Muhammad (since he's the only one with the miraculously sweet spit and the power to grant salvation by sucking on a child's tongue), but the other three are still in play. Reasons (1) and (3), Yahya may suggest, only apply in arid environments, but they would clearly apply even today. So if you see a thirsty or hungry child and you live in a dry area, Yahya's advice is to let the child suck on your tongue and to spit in his mouth. Of course, if you're thirsty, and you want some of the child's saliva, Yahya must also think that you should suck on the child's tongue.

Interestingly, reason (2) would be relevant in any environment. According to Yahya, if you want to calm down a child, simply stick your tongue in his mouth and let him use it as a pacifier.

I suppose we should all thank Yahya for showing us how rational and practical Islam is. Shame on us for thinking that Muhammad's teachings are absurd and that his earliest followers were shockingly gullible for mindlessly accepting everything he said.

Welcome to Islam, my friends, and to the wild and wonderful world of Islamic apologetics!

24 comments:

Nakdimon said...

Another awesome post David.

Islam truly is "easy". LOL.

Mitch Mabe said...

No, it says that Mohammad sucked the tongue and lips of the child. If it was a moisture thing in a dessert it was Mohammad sucking the moisture out of the mouth of the child, not the other way around. Yet another sick, selfish, completely self-indulgent action by Mohammad.

David Wood said...

Mitch said: "No, it says that Mohammad sucked the tongue and lips of the child."

I think I said that already.

Dacritic said...

Not only a rapist, but also a paedophile, but now he also likes little boys? Why Muslims, why?? Why are you still with Islam? Muslims always say the first word revealed in the Quran is "read". So for God's sake, READ your Quran and the Hadith! None so blind as those who will not see. Jesus, or Mother Teresa if they did that would be praised? Yeah.. Well.. They weren't perverts, so they didn't do this. That's the point.

aaron said...

anyone debate with yahya snow is gonna be a one sided slaughter if he presents gibberish like this

Btw anyone knows when is he gonna debate?

D335 said...

Remember the story of moses leading the jews in the desert?

Wait.... there's no tounge suckling, or spiting in the mouth. God literally provided for them, water, food, or even divine GPS for day and night! :p

Just ewwww.

nacanacazo said...

Those kids were a mercy to humankind (mohammed in particular) by giving him their moisture in an arid environment.

/sarc off

rivan said...

I wonder how many loving parents are following this practice of Momo in arid environments!! Yuck! Spitting in the mouths of children, this is one kinky prophet people!

Carlos said...

Sorry David but I have to give all compliments to Yahya on the basis for being ridiculously funny, we have to admit Yahya has been the best comedian ever till now.

My candidate for 2nd place:Ijaz Ahmad.

For 3rd place: Osama Abdallah

The THREE STOOGES of dawah !
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One other thing I've noticed. Your reference narrates how Muhammad sucked the tongue of little BOY!

Gay people out there would be relieved to know that Muhammad also seemingly had homosexual tendency!

cheryl_maree said...

This is absolutely ridiculous, come on with this stuff, my goodness. When you bring these Hadiths to a Muslim's attention, they say to you, that's not in there, then when you go to the internet and show them... they say not all Hadiths are authenticated... then when you say well how do you know which are and which aren't, they say they can tell by what they say.....really? So if they like it and it doesn't offend their prophet ....well it's good ....if they don't then they say it's not a good Hadith.....I have been this route with them on more then one occasion.

cheryl_maree said...

I might have added, I give Yaya some credit he didn't deny the Hadith, he tried to explain away, for that I do give him some credit....most of the Muslims I come into contact with just deny or say that it's not a good Hadith...

Farhan Qureshi said...

Dave Said: Muhammad is passing out female captives left and right, and dividing the spoils of war with his followers. But all the children get is a mouthful of spit?

Reply: ROFL!

Thor said...

He came as a THIRSTY to mankind!

Answering Judaism said...

It's reprehensible what Yahya is justifying here. Jesus would never endorse or even do such a sick vile practice.

9jaguy said...

Oh my. This is probably the most difficult to read post I have ever seen. When Mr. Snow was defending this disgusting act I kept thinking to myself, "I didn't just read that!"
This is an extremely disgusting act! And then he had the nerve to talk about Jesus and Gandhi allowing this. Btw, didn't Gandhi have halitosis?
o_o *puke* x_x
Oh muslims, when will you take off your religious glasses? Lord help them see the truth.

tekgunlukruya said...

there was no nyquil for these children back then. sucking childs lips is for calming them down. wow. great. perfect. from noww on i will lick their lips whenever they start to cry. this is so stupid explaining for that act.

Nicholas Boake said...

I heard he sucked children's tongues to guarantee them entrance into paradise.
So my daring advice to all pedophiles is, tell those kids they are going to hell unless they touch your cock! You tongue .
Lol, is that what Mohammad was getting at?
You gotta put up the part where he was saving them from the fires of hell by making out with them.
That's classic. I am going to try it on my next girlfriend, who I promise will be 18+ jajajajaj.

Emran Hafez said...

You people are all blind by hate. Read the Quran and your hearts will open.

Karl Kaganovich said...

You should send this to Prophet Bill Clinton!

Dan Storm said...

Emran, read upon your direction.. Should I go kill my non believer children and family now?

Dee Cea said...

Please oh please cut and paste these quotes from the koran and save in a file or in your e-mail so you can copy and post with every opportunity you come upon to show everyone how ridiculous Islam is.
Also search the koran to find the verses where it says to cut above the neck all who refuse Islam. Then post that verse to all opportunities where a muslim might try to sell the "Islam is peace" lie.
I have been posting the statements by Donald Trump where he is warning about the Obama administration bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim "refugees", overwhelmingly healthy warrior age males, even probably ISIS terrorists.

Yasin Taslak said...

You people are all idiots.
If you believe everything you see and read on the internet then that just proves your intelligence level is well below average.

It is quoted that in a book of hadiths, book of bukhari #1183 these allegations are made.
If you actually go and pick up the book of bukhari and look for #1183 you will find that it a text about a completely different unrelated story.
1 thing we all know is that unlike the Bible and all the religious texts of Christianity and Judaism, islamic texts have not been altered in any which way.
Every letter and every full stop is still like the day it was written.

The Internet however is altered every single minute.

By simply picking up the actual book and having a look at the chapter that is mentioned above you will see that this whole story is fabricated.

No ifs
No buts
No argument.

The Muslims that have tried to defend this are just as stupid as the text itself.
You all have fallen into a trap to defend something you dont need to.

This Yahya Snow, who is this bloke?
He's definitely no famous scholar or known Sheik. So what he says is just his own personal opinion.

Go open the book of bukhari and read it yourselves.
You will be surprised that it has nothing as such mentioned above in it.

Further more, hadiths need a chain of responsibility.
Look up
'how to know if a hadith is authentic'

Its easy to just get on here and throw insults but not any single one of you have done your own research.
You just saw something on the Internet and just believed it as fact.

What does that say about you??

Aloha Bawk Bawk said...

Yasin Taslak wrote:

"You people are all idiots.
If you believe everything you see and read on the internet then that just proves your intelligence level is well below average.
"

Strawman - no one here said they believe everything they read on the internet. But hold that thought about believing everything you read, we'll get back at it.

"It is quoted that in a book of hadiths, book of bukhari #1183 these allegations are made.
If you actually go and pick up the book of bukhari and look for #1183 you will find that it a text about a completely different unrelated story.
"

Under which numbering system?

"1 thing we all know"

You certainly don't speak for me. And are you a mind reader to know what "we all" know?

"is that unlike the Bible and all the religious texts of Christianity and Judaism, islamic texts have not been altered in any which way."

How do you know that? Oh, yeah, islam teaches so. You read it in an islamic source and you believe it. What were you saying about people who believe everything they read on the internet?

"Every letter and every full stop is still like the day it was written."

Where are the stoning verses in the quran?

"The Internet however is altered every single minute."

Not Christian or Jewish texts though.


"No ifs"

This coming from the individual whose first "argument" was an "If"

"The Muslims that have tried to defend this are just as stupid as the text itself."

Let me guess: muslims who didn't know their own texts.

"You all have fallen into a trap to defend something you dont need to."

They apparently thought they needed. Could it be they knew these texts exist?

"This Yahya Snow, who is this bloke?"

Google is your friend.

"He's definitely no famous scholar or known Sheik. So what he says is just his own personal opinion."

Same as for any famous islamic scholar or sheik. Also, fame is not the best indicator of knowledge - just look at the famous hack, Zakir Naik.


"Further more, hadiths need a chain of responsibility.
Look up
'how to know if a hadith is authentic'
"

Bukhari are deemed as "sahih" - reliable. They're second in authority after the quran alone.

"Its easy to just get on here and throw insults but not any single one of you have done your own research."

Says the guy who started by calling everyone "idiots"


"You just saw something on the Internet and just believed it as fact."

Or so you say. Of course, one shouldn't believe everything one reads on the internet - like, for example, your post. But, for the record, here is an islamic site containing the hadith you're claiming doesn't exist:

http://sunnah.com/adab/48

It's a site run by muslims for muslims, and they seem to believe that hadith to be authentic.

"What does that say about you??"

About us? Nothing. But it tells a lot about you when you when all you have is the generic statement of "that's just something someone wrote on the internet". Well, so what? Is it false just because it's on the internet? If so, the whole quran is available on-line so, to be consistent, you HAVE to say the quran is false and no one should believe it. It's hilarious to see someone who states, without a grains of supporting evidence, that islamic texts changed nothing in 1400 years trying to shame people for beliving something they (allegedly) read online.

Anyway, what's with muslims resurrecting old topics to have the last word?

The Thurth Seeker said...

Oh.... indeed that text about tongue sucking is in the book : en Adab Al Mufrad. There is a copy translated to english in pdf format. You'll find it in this link :

https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Adab_Al-Mufrad.pdf

You'll find it easily .Once you open the file , go to seccion : " XDVI. Sitting and lying down " , or go directly to paragraph : " 562. Wrapping oneself up " , or look for verse 1183.

So .... Mr. Yaslin Taslak, who denies that text is in the book, people are not idiots as you say they are. The text is in that book, and you can not deny it. Muhammed is a pedophile because , that child whom he put to suck his tongue was not thirsty, and they were not in the desert. They were in a city , inside a house and near a mosque. Surely there was water in a jar close by.