Tuesday, March 11, 2014

Gabriel Explains Human Reproduction to Muhammad

Muhammad was once asked, as a challenge to his prophethood, why a child sometimes resembles the mother's side of the family and sometimes resembles the father's side of the family. Muhammad said that he received the answer to this question from the Angel Gabriel. The answer, however, is scientifically false. So if Muhammad got a false revelation from the same "angel" that was giving him Qur'anic revelations, how can we believe the Qur'an?


In case you want to read it for yourself, here's the hadith we were quoting:

Sahih al-Bukhari 3329—Narrated Anas: When Abdullah bin Salam heard of the arrival of the Prophet at Al-Madina, he came to him and said, "I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a Prophet:
(1) What is the first portent of the Hour?
(2) What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise?
(3) Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle (mother's brother)?"
Allah's Messenger said, "Jibril (Gabriel) has just now told me of their answers." Abdullah said, "He (i.e., Jibril), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews." Allah's Messenger said, "As for the first sign of the Hour, it will be a fire that will collect (or gather) the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be extra lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her." On that Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that you are the Messenger of Allah."


Radical Moderate said...

abdullah must be a prophet too since he knew the answers

Dacritic said...

It sounded to me more like a conversation between two inmates in a mental institution.

R S Roudh said...


Ibn Sallam’s testimony in Quran 46:10 is also absolutely fatal to Muhammad. Allah in this verse condemns those who reject Ibn Sallam’s witness that the Torah is similar to the Quran as "arrogant" “unjust” and “unworthy of guidance”. Yet the ONLY Torah that Ibn Sallam could have been comparing the Quran to was the one he had access to. NOT THE NON-EXISTENT "TORAH OF MOSES" OR "THE TORAH IN HEAVEN"!!!

What Allah in this verse is arguing is that Ibn Sallam’s testimony that the Quran is similar to the existing Torah constitutes UNDENIABLE evidence that the Quran is divine scripture. And anyone rejecting this evidence will not receive Allah’s guidance and is destined for the hellfire.

But this Torah in reality was NOT similar to the Quran but to the contrary condemned it as a fabrication.

Quran 46:10 gives the lie to the Muslim claim that the Quran does not claim to confirm the Torah that existed in Muhammad's time.

Quran 46:10. Say: "See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are ARROGANT, (how UNJUST ye are!) TRULY, ALLAH GUIDES NOT A PEOPLE UNJUST.”

nacanacazo said...

News to me: Gabriel is the enemy of the jews?

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said...

@R S Roudh
please post 46:10 to see what it says before you go your own explanation.

Alyaa Ghanema said...

this story is an evidence that Mohammed was a prophet if it is translated in a right way.when the prophet was asked why do some children are similar to their father while others are similar to their mother. he answered that when the water of the mother is dominant the child will be similar to his mother and when the water of father is dominant the child will be similar to his father .
this answer is proved to be right nowadays .when Jewish heard the answer they did not say it is wrong , they did not say any comment . the answer was right , they knew that well. they shocked when Mohammed answered at that way. he is a prophet no doubt in that. he is a prophet because of the great religion he gave us. Quraan is his miracle because of its ethics and ideology (not because of the scientific discoveries )

Jesus Ojeda said...

Really?? so you going to totally IGNORE the scientific beliefs which were false and still say he is a true prophet? wow.

Peter Cunliffe said...

@Alyaa Ghanema,

Salaam alaikum. The "water" that Muhammad was referring to was not the egg but an orgasm.

Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama:
Um Salama said, "Um Sulaim said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Allah does not refrain from saying the truth! Is it obligatory for a woman to take a bath after she gets nocturnal discharge?' He said, 'Yes, if she notices the water (i.e. discharge).' Um Salama smiled and said, 'Does a woman get discharge?' Allah's Apostle said. 'Then why does a child resemble (its mother)?"
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ زَيْنَبَ بِنْتِ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ، أَنَّ أُمَّ سُلَيْمٍ، قَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَسْتَحْيِي مِنَ الْحَقِّ، فَهَلْ عَلَى الْمَرْأَةِ الْغُسْلُ إِذَا احْتَلَمَتْ قَالَ ‏"‏ نَعَمْ، إِذَا رَأَتِ الْمَاءَ ‏"‏‏.‏ فَضَحِكَتْ أُمُّ سَلَمَةَ، فَقَالَتْ تَحْتَلِمُ الْمَرْأَةُ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ فَبِمَا يُشْبِهُ الْوَلَدُ ‏"‏‏.‏
An Nawawi makes this very clear in his explanation of the hadith:
“The woman's water is thin and yellow. This is a great principle concerning the characteristics of Maniyy. These are its characteristics during health and in general. … As regards the Maniyy of the woman, it is thin and yellow, and it may become white because of its abundance. It has two distinguishing features, and it is determined by either one of them: one is that it smells like the Maniyy of the man, and the second is that the woman feels pleasure by its discharge and her lust abates once it is discharged.”

An orgasm from the woman has nothing to do with which parent the child will resemble.

When a man and woman have sex, the sperm and the egg contain genetic information which will mix, and dominant traits from each parent will cause the child to pick up those traits.

A woman's egg being released has nothing to do with her having an orgasm. Female orgasms are not necessary for reproduction.

Sorry, but Muhammad was wrong and so was the angel he was speaking to, whom he evidently mistakenly believed was Gabriel.

Anonymous said...

Please stop saying that Islam wants men to rape women in Surat Al-Noor,
it say that if a man rapes a women you have hit them 100 times without mercy.

I know said...

Moad your answer is not complete. It leaves out abrogation which is that the later verses are supposed to have more weight than the earlier verses. Obviously you are practicing taquia. The later verses say that Muslim men should rape women to 'convert' them. You don't even know your own ideology.

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