Monday, February 17, 2014

An American Muslimah Tells Me I'm Going to Paradise!

Talking to Westernized Muslims is always fascinating. They cling to Qur'an verses that they like, while completely ignoring verses they don't like. Let's look at an example, from a conversation I had with an American Muslimah on Twitter yesterday.

As usual, the American Muslimah was offended because I criticize Muhammad, so she told me to respect her religion. This always sounds odd to me, since the Qur'an obviously has no respect for me or for my religion. Interestingly, however, she seemed to have no clue that the Qur'an condemns core Christian beliefs.


Telling me that the Qur'an doesn't condemn Christianity is baffling, to say the least, but watch what happens when I bring up a verse that proves her wrong:


I asked her to read Qur'an 9:30, but she apparently thinks 9:30 is irrelevant, because of Qur'an 2:62. Let's have a look at these verses:

Qur'an 2:62—Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

Qur'an 9:30—And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

There you have it. Even though the Qur'an calls on Allah to destroy us for our beliefs (9:30), the Qur'an isn't condemning our beliefs, because 2:62 says that Jews, Christians, and Sabaeans are okay with Allah. Of course, we have to start wondering whether the Qur'an is coherent, since it also says that the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam:

Qur'an 3:85—And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

But let's leave that aside for now.

Our Muslim friend went on to assure me that, according to the Qur'an, I'm a true believer:


I wanted to make sure I understood her correctly, so I asked for clarification:


As I pointed out, if I am a true believer, then the Qur'an completely contradicts itself. Consider a few verses:

Qur'an 4:65—But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.

Qur'an 5:17—They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things.

Qur'an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur'an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Qur'an 33:36—It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

Qur'an 98:6—Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

According to 4:65 and 33:36, true believers must submit to Muhammad's decisions. I don't submit to Muhammad's decisions, and yet I'm still a true believer, according to the Westernized Islamic interpretation of 2:62.

According to 5:17, anyone who affirms the deity of Christ is an unbeliever. I affirm the deity of Christ, and yet I'm still a true believer, according to the Westernized Islamic interpretation of 2:62.

According to 98:6, Christians who reject Muhammad are "the worst of creatures." Muslims aren't allowed to be friends with us (5:51). Indeed, Muslims are commanded to violently subjugate us until we pay them money (9:29). Nevertheless, I'm still a true believer, according to the Westernized Islamic interpretation of 2:62.

It seems that, no matter what I do, I'm still a true believer, according to Westernized Muslims. This means, of course, that they think I'll be going to an Islamic paradise when I die. But I don't want to spend eternity deflowering young virgins. Indeed, I find the Islamic view of paradise to be absolutely repulsive.

But perhaps that's the point. By sending me to an Islamic paradise, Allah would be punishing me by giving me something so radically inferior to the Christian view of heaven. An Islamic paradise would be hell to a follower of Jesus Christ.

17 comments:

Quran is Corrupt said...

The Quran is full of contradictions to be the direct words of Allah, the all knowing, all seeing...lol

Quran is Corrupt said...

Muslims can't condemn the Bible because that would CONTRADICT what the Quran says about the Bible...and Q. 3:55 says it all.

Deleting said...

" I find the Islamic view of paradise to be absolutely repulsive. "

Ditto.

nacanacazo said...

i think it's called cognitive dissonance.

Jonas ola said...

Majority of muslims in the world today have no idea what Quran tells. They just live their life accordingly. This mean if they grew up in a moderate community, then they have a soft heart, more peace & tolerant. Likewise if they grew up in a more radical environment, then we know how their life's gonna be...

But I think most of them seems confused when served with the darker side of their religion. They'll be like- "what the hell is he talking about? Was my religion that wrong..?!"

But we can't blame them. They've been denied the Gospel for most of their lifetime...

Norm McInnis said...

Why is this Muslimah offended when the Quran has no respect for Her?

Tom said...

Brother David,

Why dont you inform her that you have written up a commentary with regards to discussion you had with her on twitter & invite her to your site, to present her "case" in a "free market environment"!
Shalom.

David Wood said...

Already did, Tom.

Tom said...

:) You the, man!

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said...

David you always confuse the difference between Torah, Gospel and the Bible you think they are same. Nooooooooooooooo
they are different at all.
we believe the Torah given to Mosa and the Gospel given to Jesus. we don't believe the Bible.
Give me the Torah and Gospel I will respect.
where did you get this Name "Bible", show me this name in the Bible its self before you argue that this is the Word of God.
show me any where in the bible which says this Bible is from God and his name is Bible.

if you follow the teaching of my Jesus you will enter the Paradise, Jesus telling you always " Keep the commandments of God to enter the paradise" and Poul telling you " Just Believe that God come down and DIED for you to go to heaven".

That means the christian Religion is about the religion of Jesus its not the religion of Jesus.

David Wood said...

Nice try, Mohamoud.

The Qur'an commands Christians to judge by the Gospel (5:47) and to stand upon the Gospel (5:68). If we don't have the Gospel, how can we possibly obey Allah?

Tom said...

@ Mohamoud

All your muhmmad had to do was Make IT Crystal Clear that the Torah, Gospel is not the same as the Bible, WHICH was Already Clearly in existence during the Time of muhammad.
NEXT, Why did your muhammad not state that the Apostle Paul is a false messenger and he had made up the Gospel?
Your allah had 300-600 years to REVIEW the scriptures that was already around, All he had to do was declare, Clearly and with the authority of one who is all knowing, THAT the scriptures that are with the Christians is to be COMPLETELY be discarded & is "null & void"!
You should find that CLEARLY stated in your koran with zero ambiguity, so that we will not be having this "discussion" now!!

Deleting said...

"they are different at all."

Mo, much like your shoe, you wouldn't know what a bible is if someone threw it at you.

"we believe the Torah given to Mosa and the Gospel given to Jesus. we don't believe the Bible."

Since it's clear you don't know what the bible is, let me break it down for you.
It is an anthology containing the Torah, Gospels, historical records, prophecy (that comes true) and letters.

"Give me the Torah and Gospel I will respect."
Liar.

where did you get this Name "Bible",
It comes from the latin meaning 'the books'. We have 'the book of Jude', 'the book of ezekiel' etc and these books will reference each other.

"show me any where in the bible which says this Bible is from God and his name is Bible."

Okay.

2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,"

Battin' a thousand Mo!

"if you follow the teaching of my Jesus you will enter the Paradise,"
Yep...

"" Keep the commandments of God to enter the paradise" "

And then he illustrated what it looks like on the sermon on the mount and showed no one was doing it, nor could they.

"and Poul telling you " Just Believe that God come down and DIED for you to go to heaven"."

Jesus said this too.

"That means the christian Religion is about the religion of Jesus..."

Praise God!

"...its not the religion of Jesus."

Well, Jesus was raised an orthodox jew who was fulfilling the law we couldn't keep so you kinda don't have a point here after all...



tqteq tqwet said...

No contradiction... The Jews and Christians were people of the book before corruption they are the ones who believe in one god and last day..

wakenge2 amuri said...

Thank you very much for the work David wood& all of u Soldiers of the Lord Jesus Christ .....i follow u all time and i get the goid Wepon against the Muslims in East Africa Kenya and Tanzania kip up....and God bless u more

wakenge2 amuri said...

Thank you very much for the work David wood& all of u Soldiers of the Lord Jesus Christ .....i follow u all time and i get the goid Wepon against the Muslims in East Africa Kenya and Tanzania kip up....and God bless u more

Kashif Shabbir said...

U are not a "true believer" neither does the Holy Qur'an contradict itself.
this is what chapter no. 2 verse 62 says: "Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."
the part u might have failed to see is this "...THOSE AMONG THEM WHO BELIEVED IN ALLAH..."
Who is Allah (SWT)? according to Chapter 112, "Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
All of the "Christians" who believe in the concept of Trinity aren't "Christian" according to Islam. They are more similar to polytheists. And as most Christians bow down to the statue of Jesus Christ, bound to the cross, which is pretty much idolatry, u cant actually be considered as a "true believer".
And Islam demands from us that we believe in The Holy Bible and Jesus, Son of Mary, but also tells that most of the bible has been changed over time. That is why there are multiple contradictions between The Holy Bible and The Holy Qur'an.
Btw, if u read Qur'an to gain knowledge instead of trying to find flaws and quoting verses out of context, u might actually convert to Islam. But hey, by all means, find flaws, ask muslims about those flaws, have them research about their own religion and u urself research. After all, it is compulsory upon every muslim, male and female, to seek knowledge.