Friday, September 20, 2013

The Truth about Women in Islam

According to the Qur'an, Muslim men can beat their wives into submission (4:34) and rape their female captives (4:24). Muhammad taught his followers that the testimony of women is unreliable because women are stupid and immoral (Qur'an 2:282; Sahih al-Bukhari 2658; Sahih Muslim 142). Muhammad's wife Aisha even said that, in her lifetime, Muslim women were treated worse than non-Muslim women (Sahih al-Bukhari 5825). Amazingly, modern Muslims claim that Islam liberates women!


Here are the sources I quoted in this clip:

Qur'an 2:282—O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2658—The Prophet said: “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said: “Yes.” He said: “This is because of the deficiency of her mind.”

Sahih Muslim 142—Muhammad said: O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk are in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with our religion? He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to one man; that is a proof of the lack of common sense.

Qur'an 4:34—Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825—Narrated Ikrima: Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah's messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”

Qur'an 4:24And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

25 comments:

TAREK said...

Mr. Shadid I'm black and I'm very sorry and ashamed when I see a black man behaving or thinking the way you did. The issue of religion has nothing to do with colour. But let me remind you that Islam is a racial religion. Your prophet sold two black slave for one white slave; can you explain that? Please stand back and think about all you say during your debate. I wonder if you even listen to yourself after the debate. I'm sure you heart is not at peace where you are. You have no idea about abrogation or I’d say you decided to ignore it. By the way you have no power to interpret the quran because it is a Claire book.
You spoke of the HOLY BIBLE concerning slavery to compare with islam; so if it is in the HOLY BIBLE for you it should be found in the quran too, well you have been very childish in this debate. Farran said it and it was confirm by C. L. that each time a muslim debate a christian, his heart troubles him after the debate. I'm sure your heart is in trouble. Come back to Christ; I know your wife is a muslimabut please pray to CHRIST AND HE will speak to your wife so that you have an easy conversion.
Sura 3 Aya 55 is your verse of meditation from now on please Mr. Shadid.

TAREK said...

Mr. Shadid you need to go back to school I'm sorry to tell you that. Please Dr. David I do think you 'd debate this child again. He speaks of scholars whenever it suits him. Please you guys in US should debating this child he needs to study he quran and hadith. Dr. David you did not go there to lecture him, he is too low for you to debate him again please Dr.
Mr Shadid go back to study islam. Thanks

TAREK said...

Mr. Shadid you are equal to Mr. Manu who used to Jesus or Muhammad show on ABN.

David M said...

David Wood perfect timing. Look whats been happening in Syria, Ill post link below.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2427113/Tunisias-sex-jihadis-sent-Syria-sex-100-rebels-EACH-coming-home-pregnant-children.html

Baron Eddie said...

@ David M

I saw videos in Arabic for some of those woman whom participated in Jihad Al-Nukah!

They were doing it through (what is called) marriage! and divorce.

This woman said every 2 hours she marries one and divorce then comes another man and the same thing ...

They are using young girls from Egypt, Tunisia, Syria! and brain wash them that they will enter Jana!

This is done by following Muhammad and Umar footsteps ...

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said...

@Baron Eddie
you said .......
This woman said every 2 hours she marries one and divorce then comes another man and the same thing


can you show me from the Quran one verse that supports the action of that lady??.
every Muslim child will laugh on you if you say this is what koran teach.

the Koran says clearly the diverse women should wait three months (90 days) before she marry another man.

Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed said...

@TAREK

I think you have got an emotional, please control your self otherwise don't watch such these debates.

I disagree with David Wood in many things but yet i Respect him.

IftikharA said...

Islam will grow despite of strong opposition to Muslims in the west. Islam is not any new religion, Islam means to submit your will to one and true Lord, who is the Lord of the Thrones. Who sent Adam,Abraham,Ishmael,Isaac,Joanna,Lot,Joseph,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad( Peace and blessings of God be on them all),The Quran Honours Mary as the women chosen above women of all the nations and their is a chapter dedicated to her in Quran called chapter 19, Mary and Jesus(Peace be on him) was the mightiest messengers of God, he was born miraculously without any male intervention, he healed all the blind and sick by God's Permission. And no Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ as the messenger of God, and Jesus is coming back to this world, and this is our emaan our faith.Jesus says in the Bible that" on that day many will come to me and say, "Lord Lord have we not done mighty works in thy name, in thy name cast out devils. Jesus says" You evil people depart from me, I never knew you".

Islam is a religion of peace love and JUSTICE. Muslims don't and should not prove their innocence who believe that Islam is a violent religion. ISLAM today and after 9/11 has been the fastest growing religion in the WORLD. To be honest, nobody like unpeaceful religion... it seems that its impossible to gain billions of followers if a prophet was evil.. and it has decline the number of Christianity in the world.. Judaism as well.. the only war today was due to people that are greedy for power.. but in majority of Muslims view, politics is only for man who wants to challenge his life.most of us don't like politics because later you would be put in trial in front of God..ordinary Muslims prefer to be away from it..

Allah our God said in Quran:"When You Are Greeted, Answer With A More Courteous Greeting, Or At Least Of Equal Degree." (Surah 4: Ayah 86) Islam teach us ''to treat people the way we love to be treated'' That what Mohammed peace be upon him said. and He also said ''Shall I tell you something which, if you did, you would love each other? Spread the greeting of peace between yourselves'' all i am kindly saying that Islam is really a peaceful religion,please do not judge it before you understand it. If you want to learn about Islam, just read the Quran for yourself and look at Muhammad's life and what he's done. Islam is peace it never encourages violent in any way. Islam encourages self defence.

The Crusades were started by Christians in their desire to have sole control over the Holy Land and by the desire of the Pope, Urban II, to unite the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church after the schism of 1054, against a common enemy, which was Islam, the Christian Crusaders had no desire to share the Holy land with anyone, in contrast under Muslim rule Jerusalem was a multicultural city with Muslim, Christian and Jewish communities, Jewish communities who had been invited back to Jerusalem by Muslims after the eviction of the Byzantine Empire and its anti-Semitic ban on Jews entering the city which had been imposed by the Romans after the Collapse of the Temple. Jews helped to defend the city alongside Muslims against the crusader army before they were massacred alongside the Muslims by the Crusaders. The Crusades aim was to capture the Holy land from the Muslim Arabs solely for Christianity, it was an act of imperialism, racism and Barbarism that the modern Western world is rightly ashamed of and now rejects, for you to seek to justify it is beyond belief, oh and btw the Mosque you are referring to in Jerusalem is the Al-Aqsa Mosque which was built on the temple mount, a site sacred to Jews that was destroyed by the Romans which has nothing to do with Christianity, and yes Christians subjected Jews to centuries of violent anti-Semitism, particularly during the inquisition when Jews and Muslims had to convert or otherwise leave, or stay and be burned at the stake as heretics.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

mjazzguitar said...

Aisha even said to muhammad once, "Aren't you the one pretending to be the prophet of God?"

Baron Eddie said...

@ Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed

Giving your wife to another Muslim is Tashriaa

that is happening in Syria right now ...

this considered as a virtue in Islam ...

In Sahih Al-Bukhari

صحيح البخاري في كتاب البيوع في باب ما جاء في قول الله تعالى فاذا قضيت الصلاة فانتشروا


[ 118] 1943 - حدثنا عبد العزيز بن عبد الله: حدثنا إبراهيم بن سعد، عن أبيه، عن جده قال: قال عبد الرحمن بن عوف رضي الله عنه: لما قدمنا إلى المدينة آخى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بيني وبين سعد بن الربيع، فقال عد بن الربيع: إني أكثر الأنصار مالا، فأقسم لك نصف مالي، وانظر أي زوجتي هويت نزلت لك عنها، فإذا حلت تزوجتها

http://islam.paramegsoft.com/alboukhari/saheh39.html

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Also in Sahih Al-Bukhari

صحيح البخاري في كتاب النكاح في باب الوليمة و لو بشاة


4872 حدثنا علي حدثنا سفيان قال حدثني حميد أنه سمع أنسا رضي الله عنه قال سأل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عبد الرحمن بن عوف وتزوج امرأة من الأنصار كم أصدقتها قال وزن نواة من ذهب وعن حميد سمعت أنسا قال لما قدموا المدينة نزل المهاجرون على الأنصار فنزل عبد الرحمن بن عوف على سعد بن الربيع فقال أقاسمك مالي وأنزل لك عن إحدى امرأتي

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=9444&idto=9451&bk_no=52&ID=2876

Also there is Fatwas about this ...

I know that Muslim kids won't be laughing because not even Muslim adults read about this!

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My question for you is Did Mohammad the prophet of Islam waited 90 days for (aadt) Saphyia Bint Hoyay صفية بنت حيي before he xxx ?

Herakleios said...

@iftilhara: how did the Muslims get to Jerusalem in the first place? Peaceful jihad? ;) ... I think your whole argument is worthless if you take a minute and think about it. Even if it would have been a defensive war (which it wasn't) should someone leave a country after the war has been settled? No matter how good one behaves, it is still conquest!

aaron said...

@ IftikharA
that is some bad logic and bad info you got there

"the Crusades were started by Christians in their desire to have sole control over the Holy Land and by the desire of the Pope, Urban II, to unite the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church after the schism of 1054, against a common enemy, "

funny you left out the bit where the byzantine empire was being attacked by the ottoman emptire in the first place

" it seems that its impossible to gain billions of followers if a prophet was evil."

ad populum logical fallacy here, in the past many people people appealed to the geocentric model of earth. look what happened now we have heliocentric. what more is to understand about muhummed ordering to have sex with captives who's husbands is still alive. it doesn;t take a degree in astrophysics to know its immoral and fornication.
even muhummeds companions were hesitant but muhummed gives the OK. looks like his companions is a step better then the prophet.

Herakleios said...

@Mohamoud Hassan Mohamed:

Isnt Verse 4:24 speaking of this?

Sahih International
And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Deleting said...

Mohamoud said to Tarek, "I think you have got an emotional, please control your self otherwise don't watch such these debates."

He wasn't being emotional. Please check yourself before you chastise anyone on this blog.

Deleting said...

Ifitikar said, "Islam will grow despite of strong opposition to Muslims in the west. Islam is not any new religion, Islam means to submit your will to one and true Lord, who is the Lord of the Thrones"

You mean like 'Game of Thrones'? Because that's fiction too.

Yeah, Islam will grow but so will every other world religion, much of the new members coming from Islam.
If it wasn't islam that got started some 1400 years ago, it would be something else entirely and either you'd be that or Hindu, buddhists, etc...

Next point ",The Quran Honours Mary as the women chosen above women of all the nations and their is a chapter dedicated to her in Quran called chapter 19,"

Have you read Surah 19.72? Because I find it hard to think a book that rambles on so is honoring to anything much less a Holy God much less a woman.

And it's hard to swallow that the same book you claims gives Mary such platitude would assert all muslims, ALL, have to go to Hell.

Question: How does that verse have ANYTHING to do with Mary, much less honor her or set a high moral standard for other muslim women to follow that example when in fact they will go to hell with the men.

" Jesus(Peace be on him) was the mightiest messengers of God, he was born miraculously without any male intervention, he healed all the blind and sick by God's Permission. "

Agreed. Then again Jesus is God and in some cases didn't ask permission. Matthew 12:13 he didn't ask 'God's' permission.

Challenge for you since you know so much: Go back to Matthew 12 and summarize the chapter for us. Jesus also says something to the Pharisees (the ancient Jewish equivilant of you) that is pretty telling....

Like something greater than the temple is there and he ain't talking about an object.

"And no Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ as the messenger of God, and Jesus is coming back to this world, and this is our emaan our faith.Jesus says in the Bible that" on that day many will come to me and say, "Lord Lord have we not done mighty works in thy name, in thy name cast out devils. Jesus says" You evil people depart from me, I never knew you".

Yet you don't give us a citation, just something easily quoted that you think the bible said.

Here's the full quote you didn't bother looking up.

Matthew 7:21-23.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

See the Caveat? It's in verse 21. 'but he who does the will of my father who is in heaven...

Who is the father who is in heaven? Is it not God? I believe so. Did this God give a law? Yup.

Who can add to it? Because Jesus did:

John 13.34 A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.”

You're not his disciple, nor do you follow him because you're not doing this first rather you're trying to distract. The result is you defend and even endorse unrighteous behavior, behavior that violates God's laws.

cont.....

Deleting said...

part deux...

"Islam is a religion of peace love and JUSTICE. "

Yet in every single country where there is Islam there is intolerance and chaos. Good job there.

"Muslims don't and should not prove their innocence who believe that Islam is a violent religion. "

But it is violent. Go to barenakedislam.com and tell me it's a peaceful religion.

OR don't because you're probably a coward. Go to google and look up the bus full of people stopped by Syrian rebels. They decapitated a 40 day old BABY and it's mother.

Question for you: Who do you think died first? The mother or the baby because while I'm not a betting woman, I'd wager a shiny nickel they probably killed the baby first and made the mother watch before they hacked her head off.

Your hands are stained with blood Ifitkar along with every other Muslim on the planet because of the cavalier attitude you have about this.

" ISLAM today and after 9/11 has been the fastest growing religion in the WORLD. "

In the states, yes, but that's owed more to increased immigration, high birth rates and incorrect dissemination of information. Much of the tafsirs translated into English are omitting information about the creation story and mistranslated words so it sounds palatable.

If the Koran is even read. Much like Christians, muslims have a hard time setting aside time to read their religious books, opting to watch youtube lectures, podcasts and going to their local mosques.

In light of the facts that's really not that impressive, not as much as people leaving Islam.

That's happening in Africa and they're leaving by the droves for Christianity because they want forgiveness of their sins not a set of antiquated rituals and solutions that don't address their sin problem.

"To be honest, nobody like unpeaceful religion... it seems that its impossible to gain billions of followers if a prophet was evil.."

Khabar???? Driving all the Meccans, Jews and Christians out of Saudi Arabia?

Calling us the worse of all possible creatures???

"but in majority of Muslims view, politics is only for man who wants to challenge his life.most of us don't like politics because later you would be put in trial in front of God..ordinary Muslims prefer to be away from it.. "

Then why do you have islamic lobbying groups like CAIR trying to change laws to not only accomodate muslims but also allow islamic courts?
Why have Sharia if you're not political at all, and you can't say 'it's God's law'.

"Allah our God said in Quran:"When You Are Greeted, Answer With A More Courteous Greeting, Or At Least Of Equal Degree." (Surah 4: Ayah 86) Islam teach us ''to treat people the way we love to be treated'' That what Mohammed peace be upon him said. and He also said ''Shall I tell you something which, if you did, you would love each other? Spread the greeting of peace between yourselves''"

Yet Sahih Bukhari The people of the book 512.1103 says this (sorry if the citation is not correct. There are too many hadith books and the citation structure is differs from what I can see):

1103. Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road."

continued...

Deleting said...

"The Crusades were started by Christians in their desire to have sole control over the Holy Land and by the desire of the Pope, Urban II, to unite the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church after the schism of 1054, against a common enemy, which was Islam, "

And why was that????? Islam invaded Israel, they were raping, pillaging and plundering the whole way there.
What you neglected in your research since you were just interested in verifying the pope's name is many Christians left their homelands expecting to DIE in the crusades. They sold off farms and ancestral lands to raise the money to travel to the holy land to defend it and push back islam.

They weren't there for some spiritual brass ring. They weren't there to do anything more than defend Israel and the people who lived there.


he Crusades were started by Christians in their desire to have sole control over the Holy Land and by the desire of the Pope, Urban II, to unite the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church after the schism of 1054, against a common enemy, which was Islam, the Christian Crusaders had no desire to share the Holy land with anyone, in contrast under Muslim rule Jerusalem was a multicultural city with Muslim, Christian and Jewish communities, Jewish communities who had been invited back to Jerusalem by Muslims after the eviction of the Byzantine Empire and its anti-Semitic ban on Jews entering the city which had been imposed by the Romans after the Collapse of the Temple. Jews helped to defend the city alongside Muslims against the crusader army before they were massacred alongside the Muslims by the Crusaders. The Crusades aim was to capture the Holy land from the Muslim Arabs solely for Christianity, it was an act of imperialism, racism and Barbarism that the modern Western world is rightly ashamed of and now rejects, for you to seek to justify it is beyond belief, oh and btw the Mosque you are referring to in Jerusalem is the Al-Aqsa Mosque which was built on the temple mount, a site sacred to Jews that was destroyed by the Romans which has nothing to do with Christianity, and yes Christians subjected Jews to centuries of violent anti-Semitism, particularly during the inquisition when Jews and Muslims had to convert or otherwise leave, or stay and be burned at the stake as heretics.
IA

By the way, a period is the end of a sentence. Perhaps you could start using more of them because this whole last argument is really bad grammar.

Now, for the Al-Aqsa mosque, can Christians go and pray to Jesus there? Can Jews do their sacrifices to YHWH? Not Allah.
NO because you Muslims decided to claim it for yourselves though it has greater spiritual significance to Jews and Christians.

Melvyn Cyrus said...

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825
Where did Muhammad reprehend the man in this passage???
Either Shadid can't read or he is a liar!

Rukiah Ali said...

You know all you people do is disrespect, you can disrespect all you want because it will come back, to you.

Deleting said...

She's baaack! 'You know all you people do is disrespect, you can disrespect all you want because it will come back, to you.'

Hello lil stalker it's nice to see you too.

By the way, telling the truth is unpopular but it is not disrespect.

Interrupting conversations and trying to I rail them is disrespect. Calling people names is disrespect. Telling lies, even if you think you're doing good, is also disrespect.
God hates liars and NEVER under any circumstances whatsoever does he sanction it unlike your God a d prophet.

Rukiah Ali said...

You know I seen smarter people, your one of the meaner people I ment

Rukiah Ali said...

Acctually,there is no room for you to be with God for your hatred for others, you say you don't hate but you do, like the time you said women had half he knowladge of a man but the truth is:
"And no wise is the male like the female" Surah 3 pg.136.

Deleting said...

Rukiah said, "You know I seen smarter people, your one of the meaner people I ment"

Is it 'meet' or 'meant'? It's hard to tell because your grammar is really that bad.

Second, what does 'smart' have to do with 'mean'?


And besides, didn't you call me a jew a few weeks ago as an insult?

I wonder how your jewish grandmother feel about your using her race and religion as an insult? That's pretty MEAN of you.

No little girl, you mistake truth for meanness or you try to equate it with stupidity.

Also, you totally ignore all the times you butt into conversations and then insult us when we correct you and tell you to stop.

Second point:

"Acctually,there is no room for you to be with God for your hatred for others, you say you don't hate but you do, like the time you said women had half he knowladge of a man but the truth is:"

Rukiah I want to introduce a term to you, it's call 'relevance'.

Here is the definition:

a : relation to the matter at hand
b : practical and especially social applicability : pertinence


Your points are two separate points. Hate is not related to a point made about how your prophet said women have half the brains of a man.

I don't hate you. I'm frustrated with you. I'm annoyed with you and just because I respond does not mean I hate you or muslims. If anything I feel sorry for you guys because you think saying Shahadah and 'being good' will get you to heaven to be with God and it won't.

Learn what hate is and then ask yourself if you do it.

You'll probably say no or try to connect that with something else.

Last:
""And no wise is the male like the female" Surah 3 pg.136."

Before I address anything else, where did I tell you the Koran says that. Just find the link and post it.

1. Surah three, like most surahs, skip around topics. I looked for this verse and It went from John the Baptist to Jesus. The closest I could find were this may apply was when it talked about Mary.


2. PAY ATTENTION: when you quote you need to cite Surah AND Ayat/Verse.

Page 136 of what translation of the Koran? Pickthal? Yusuf Ali? I know to you there is only one Koran you pulled your citation from your copy of it but there are at least 10 tranlations with commentary and that commentary will cause the page count to be different so page 136 in your quran is going to be different from page 136 in another tafsir.

Also, are you aware the Koran is also posted online and therefore will NOT have a page number??!?!?!

Always, always, always Surah and verse please or bible book, chapter and verse.

Deleting said...

By the way Rukiah, here's a quote to address your claim.

Surah 2:282:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.

The hadith to explain it:

Buhkari Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

Rukiah Ali said...

ok