Monday, January 7, 2013

Muslim Mother Sara Ege Gets Life in Prison for Killing Son Who Couldn't Memorize Qur'an Passages

The world could respond to the murder of Yaseen Ege by asking why Muslims commit more than 90% of honor killings globally, and by confronting the causes of this dark correlation. But searching for the true source of these brutal murders has somehow become a sign of bigotry and intolerance. Political correctness is now more important to us than the lives of children.

United Kingdom (BBC)--A mother who beat her seven-year-old son to death when he failed to memorise passages from the Koran has been jailed for life, for a minimum of 17 years.

The judge told Sara Ege, 33, she subjected Yaseen Ege to prolonged cruelty and a ferocious beating at home in Pontcanna, Cardiff, in July 2010.

She also set fire to his body, and was convicted after a five-week trial.

Ege collapsed as the sentence was read out at Cardiff Crown Court and had to be helped from the dock.

She was also found guilty of perverting the course of justice and given a four-year sentence for that crime.

Her husband Yousuf Ege, a taxi driver, was cleared of allowing the death of a child by failing to protect him.

Sara Ege had pleaded not guilty to murder and claimed her husband was responsible for Yaseen's death.

Mr Justice Wyn Williams said: "I am satisfied that it was his failure to learn the Koran that day that resulted in the beating that caused his death."

He continued: "On the day of Yaseen's death you had kept him home from school so he could devote himself to his study of the Koran.

"He was memorising passages but on that day Yaseen must have failed in some way and it was that which was a trigger for the beating.

"You killed your own son. At the time of the killing he was particularly vulnerable because of his age and because of his relative physical frailty.

"In killing your son you abused a precious relationship of trust which does and should exist between a parent and a child." (Continue Reading.)

32 comments:

Koala Bear said...

I wish abuse in mosques and madrassas would come out now. Animals. Funny how the only way they want to be muslims is by violence. In my guess the Catholic Church will pale in comparison to this.

kiwimac said...

Insanity! Do Muslims believe that if they kill their children,they are in essence, saving them?

Melvyn Cyrus said...

This is insane!!!
And now people like Sami Zaatari would claim that this has nothing to do with Islam and that Islam is not responsible for that, despite the fact that more than 90% of honor killings are committed by Muslims, not to speak about terrorist bombings and suicide attacks for which they almost have no concurrence.

Islam is indeed a threat to society. One can claim that this doesn't have nothing to do with Islam and the Qur'an (with which I don't agree), but if there were no Islam, there would be no Muslims, and the modern world would be spared from those atrocities. So, either directly or indirectly, Islam is responsible for that.

Amber Jade said...

I would like your opinion on this David:
The horror of these very real instances of honor killings are becoming increasingly more devastating each time I discover them. My heart cries out to God over this precious little boy. I wonder if The Lord will embrace this tiny soul?

David Wood said...

Wouldn't surprise me, Amber.

theWordbelievein said...

Muslims are ignorant, confused impostors with very low IQ - this is the result of following Satan's holly book: Koran.

gabriella oak said...

I think it's only fair to acknowledge that sometimes people are simply deranged or wicked enough to kill their own children, regardless of their religious background.
Whilst the mother's obvious zealotry might have been nurtured or encouraged or even celebrated by some in her community, I'm not sure we can lay the blame for this tragedy at Islam's door.

Her son's life would probably have been at risk had she been a devout Southern Baptist or a Cornish Wiccan.

David Wood said...

Gabriella,

When more than 90% of a particular kind of crime is committed by a particular group, I don't think you can say it's just as likely to have come from someone of a different group.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@David

"When more than 90% of a particular kind of crime is committed by a particular group, I don't think you can say it's just as likely to have come from someone of a different group."

Wow. Whatever happened to trying to speaking honestly about other religions. Have you stopped taking those Islamophobia medication pills again? Try doubling the dose next time you feel like blaming Islam for any and everything.

andy bell said...

Do Southern Baptists and Cornish Wiccans kill their children for not memorizing the quran?

Oh wait, was that not an accurate analogy?

hmmm.........

Because they don't read the quran?

Rag said...

I often wonder why muslims who read quran entirely or who have memorized them are driven to such violence from honor killings (of family members) to terrorist activities..there is something truly evil with this book..

David Wood said...

Samatar said: "Wow. Whatever happened to trying to speaking honestly about other religions. Have you stopped taking those Islamophobia medication pills again? Try doubling the dose next time you feel like blaming Islam for any and everything."

Samatar, I'm not sure which part of my comment you disagree with, so let me check. First, more than 90% of worldwide honor killings are committed by Muslims. If you disagree with that, then you're simply ignoring facts and statistics. Second, when more than 90% of a certain crime is committed by a particular group, there must be something about the group that is causing such a high correlation (in other words, correlations that high are not random). If you disagree with this, you're simply ignorant of statistical inference. So apparently you've stopped taking your "I believe in facts" pill or your "I accept the validity of statistical inference" pill. Which one did you stop taking, my factually and mathematically challenged friend?

Suppose 91% of all thefts were committed by, say, Southern Baptists. Would it be "intolerant" to point out the correlation and to seek it's cause? Of course not. It would be common sense.

Like it or not, you're part of the reason children are still being killed by their Muslim parents. By attacking people who want to address the problem, you keep people from confronting the problem and you help the problem persist. This is why there is so little change in the Muslim world.

taomeano said...

Samatar, I am assuming you are an intelligent person, please exercise your brain, because it appears to us that you have taken leave of absence from rational thinking.

Koala Bear said...

@Samatar
Sunan Abu-Dawud
Book 2, Number 0494:
Narrated As-Saburah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the age of seven years. When he becomes ten years old, then beat him for prayer.

Book 2, Number 0495:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.

http://www.gowister.com/islam-answer-7556.html

I guess these are all "not islam"??

There are countless articles online by muslims trying to justify beating their children. Islam is a barbaric and nasty ideology which I am shocked someone who considers themselves a human being would want to follow.

gabriella oak said...

@ David Wood


I think you have misunderstood my point. I don't dispute that the vast majority of honour killings are committed by Muslims, or that Islamic doctrine can be invoked as justification for said killings.

However I do not necessarily believe that this is one of those cases. We have had all sorts of honour killings here in the UK where the perpetrators, whilst self-evidently wedded to Islamic notions of 'honour', were not otherwise regarded as being more or less devout than their peers. This woman appears to have been zealous to the point of madness. There is no evidence that the mother planned to kill her child, or that her child was in open defiance of his parents or religion. As such, I would suggest this case is atypical with regards to honour killings in the UK and elsewhere. I simply believe that this woman was deranged to start with, and her derangement found its expression in a form of religious mania, which resulted in the death of a little boy. Some non-Muslim women kill their children because they believe God has told them the children are irredeemably wicked or possessed by demonic spirits. I see no reason why a Muslim woman cannot suffer from a similar mental illnes.

Samatar Mohamed said...

@David

Sure, I never disagreed with your stats. I merely understood that your statement had a meaning. Why would you waste your time posting an article of a severely insane Muslim women who brutally beat and killed her child, if you did not believe Islam was the source or reason for this. I do agree that the number of these incidents done by muslims is alarming but I'm not going to use statistics as the determining factor as to whether a religion allows a practice or not.

@Koala

You have got to be kidding me. Are you telling me this women just gave her little boy a little spanking which caused his death. Obviously not. She ferociously beat this kid to death and if you are trying to tell me that the hadith meant this then you are sadly mistaken. What kind of beating do you think was meant in the hadith when the kid does not pray? Lastly, the hadith said a beating (Obviously not a life threatening beating) was if a 10 year old boy refused or stopped praying, The kid was only seven first off, and the issue had nothing to do with prayer. No matter which way you spin it, what she did was not allowed in Islam.

Quran is Corrupt said...

@Samatar ....you never explained why it says this in the hadiths about BEATING children who didn't do their Islamic prayers;

Book 2, Number 0494:
Narrated As-Saburah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the age of seven years. When he becomes ten years old, then beat him for prayer.

Book 2, Number 0495:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.

bob said...

The will of man, and a general view of the cause of evil and the reason why bad things happen:

Spiritually, our wills are subject to either rebellion, sin, and the devil; or, to obedience, righteousness and Christ.
In THIS respect there is no free will, since the will cannot be its own independent free agent, but is always in bondage to one or the other; there is no in-between.

Overall, God is running the whole show:

"Since God moves and works all in all, he necessarily moves and works even in Satan and wicked man. But he works according to what they are and what he finds them to be, i.e., since they are perverted and evil, being carried along by that motion of divine Omnipotence, they cannot but do what is perverse and evil. Just as it is with a man riding a horse lame on one foot or on two feet. His riding corresponds to what the horse is. That is, the horse moves badly. But what can the man do? He is riding this horse together with sound horses. This one goes badly, though the rest go well. But it cannot be otherwise, unless the horse be made sound.
Here you see then that when God works in and by evil man, evil deeds result. Yet God cannot do evil himself, for he is good. He uses evil instruments, which cannot escape the sway and motion of his Omnipotence.
The fault which accounts for evil being done when God moves to action lies in the instruments which he does not allow to lie idle. Hence it is that the wicked man cannot but always ere and sin, because under the divine power he is not permited to remain motionless, but must will, desire and act according to his nature. We are subject to God's working by mere passive necessity... he is incessantly active in all his creatures, allowing none of them to keep holiday... he cannot but do evil by our evil instrumentality, although he makes good use of this evil for his own glory and for our salvation."* (And we know all things work together for good to those who love God. Romans 8:28)

If a we reject Christ's patient offer of salvation/healing grace and remain unchanged instrument's of evil, the fault is not God's but our's alone.

*Erasmus and Luther: Discourse on Free Will, Continuum, 2005, page 112, 113.

Murtadd said...

No, this lady was not insane when she commited this terrible crime.

In order for an accused to stand trial in mainstream courts they would normally first establish if such a person is mentally fit to stand trial.
The fact that this lady was indeed found guilty and given a life sentence suggests that she was indeed proven mentally capable beyond a doubt.

So this begs the question, what motivated a SANE mother to kill her own son in such a brutal way.

Let's see, he wasn't killed for spilling some milk or breaking a window. This boy was killed for not memorising the quran.

Any normal person can deduce that islam had a hand in this boy's death. The insane defence didn't make the cut hence her life sentence.

Perhaps the only insanity she had was to believe in islam

In Christ, for Christ, by Christ
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Search 4 Truth said...

@ Samatar

There is no evidence that this woman was ferociously insane. Or she would have been committed to a hospital for her punishment instead of prison.

And similarly with honor killings Islam may not overtly command this action. But the spirit in which Islamic doctrine and Mohamed sunna is taught, worded and invoked create the atmosphere and zealotry in which these incidents occur. Just like martyrdom bombings which are mislabeled suicide bombings! As is clearly explained here!

http://www.gowister.com/islam-answer-1311.html

Quote "But when a sole person goes into the thick of the enemy, with bombs or explosives strapped to himself, he knows only too well that he will lose his life in this incident. And for lack of a better term, they are called ‘suicide-bombers’! But the intention of this person is not to kill himself because he has been despaired of his life and its trials, but rather to strike a blow and demoralize the enemy; and that too only because he wants to raise the banner and word of Allah High and Supreme. This person sacrifices his life for the Cause of Allah, and his sole intention is the Pleasure of Allah Subhanah. "

Melvyn Cyrus said...

@ Samatar

we never mentioned that there was a direct order in either the Qur'an or the hadith justifying directly such an horrendous. The whole point, as David stressed, that the number (and proportion) of honor killings committed by followers of Islam is, to use your own words, alarming. Now, any neutral person would start wondering why is this phenomena so common in Islam in comparison to other religious groups (when you own > 90% of the share, that doesn't leave you much place for other religions). You can't just say this is not mentioned is the Qur'an, so Islam cannot be blamed for that. If it happens most of the time with Muslims (and not Christians, Jews...) THERE MUST BE A REASON!!!

Now, the first explanation that come to the mind of a non-Muslim familiar with the teachings of the Qur'an and the hadith, is that you can find in it a plethora of violent teachings, including injunctions to act violently. This has as a consequence that Muslims tend to be more violent that followers of other religions, sometimes exceeding even the frame of their violent duties. Islam is inherently violent , so there's no wonder that those atrocities are committed most of the time by Muslims. So, the conclusion is that Islam, through his violent teachings is to be blamed for that.

Melvyn Cyrus said...

This is the same concerning terrorism. I agree that the Qur'an doesn't order Muslims to bomb themselves and kill innocent people, but, once again, you find in the Qur'an a lot of violent passages, some of them in the latest surahs, so that could not be abrogated (it is generally quite the contrary, peaceful teachings being abrogated by violent one, see Tafsir Ibn Kathir on S 9:5 abrogating all peace treaties). Therefore, it is no wonder that almost more than 95% of terrorist bombings are committed by Muslims. Once again, telling me that those guys are not following true Islam doesn't work. When I look for the reason of their acts, I find that they are conditioned by the violent teachings of their prophets, which prompts them to exhibit a violent behavior and do such horrible acts.

Why don't we find Christian, Hindu, Buddhist suicide bombers? Why do we only have Muslim ones. Now people like Samatar and Sami Zaatari would claim that this happens because Muslims are oppressed. Even if this was true, are they the only religious group that is being oppressed? What about Christians in Egypt, Nigeria, Iraq, Indonesia... If they were to react in the same proportions as Muslims they should be committing suicide bombings every day! What do not Tibet Buddhist commit suicide bombings on Chines government buildings? According to statistics, Christians are the most oppressed religious group in the world. But, as far as I know, they are FAR from committing as much terrorist attacks as Muslims.
As a Christian, I have a lot of reasons to be angry on Islam. Entire Christian lands where swept by Jihad and never returned to the light of Christ afterwards, Christians are being persecuted by Muslims throughout the Muslim world, churches rae being burned... If my religion had a violent background as does Islam, I would certainly also behave violently towards Muslims. But, thank God, my religion teaches me to love my enemies.
So Islam is to be blamed, directly or indirectly, for the atrocities committed by Muslims. If Islam were really peaceful, those things would happen in a much lesser proportion which would be comparable to that of similar acts committed by followers of other religions. If among religions Islam holds the monopole on terrorist bombings, honor crimes, child marriage and such there is only one conclusion.

Melvyn Cyrus said...

One final point, as I said above, is that if there were no Islam, there would be no Muslims. I agree that there is an important proportion of peaceful Muslims, but there is still a significant minority that is behaving violently. Usually only a minority of trouble-makers is enough to spoil everything.
If there were no Islam, we would have less terrorist bombings (almost no terrorist bombings actually), less honor crimes, less violence towards women, less oppression of minorities, less child marriage... Therefore, without Islam we would definitely live in a better world.

Keith Thompson said...

Islam is a real threat to civilization. Poor little kid.

Diana Summers said...

I agree with Gabriella that this case might well be ordinary child abuse rather than technically an honour killing. Sara Ege may or may not have been mentally ill, but she frankly admitted to having an anger management problem. People who cannot manage their anger are apt to behave with extreme violence.

Nevertheless: What did Islam do to help this woman manage her anger? What did Islam do to rescue the child? Nothing. Islam fed Mrs Ege's self-righteousness and turned a blind eye to her violent acts. It even assured her that she could get away with this sin. The Muslim handbook Reliance of the Traveller states that there should be no penalty for a parent who murders her child.

I don't know much about Cornish Wiccans but I do know that Southern Baptists pride themselves on obeying the Bible. And the Bible is quite clear - Christians are not allowed to strike their children. One of the qualities of a mature Christian is that he does not strike anyone (from the context, especially not his children), and a Christian who does hit his children is automatically deemed unfit for leadership (I Timothy 3:3).

Of course the world is full of ignorant, anger-driven, mentally ill or just plain disobedient Christians who do beat their children. There have even been churches that have covered up child abuse and Christian intra-family murders. But here is the difference.

A Christian who strikes a child is disobeying the Bible.

A Muslim who strikes a child is obeying the hadiths.

Telling people that God forbids child-beating does not stop child abuse but it does reduce it. Telling people that God allows child-beating does not cause every parent to become an abuser but it does increase the overall quantity of abuse.

Batsheba Solomon said...

David, I follow your work and I must say I'm very impressed by what you do. I live in a let's say, Muslim country and I sincerely dislike the teachings of Islam more and more every day because of what I see and what I know. thank you so much for your work, this was definitely needed in times like these.
Best regards,

Ariadne

Deleting said...

Diane said, "I don't know much about Cornish Wiccans but I do know that Southern Baptists pride themselves on obeying the Bible. And the Bible is quite clear - Christians are not allowed to strike their children"

Yeah....um no.

Diane it's proper for a parent to discipline their child and it is within the parents prerogative to spank or physically discipline if needed.

What's wrong is to abuse your child like this muslim lady did with her little boy. This is pretty clear in the scriptures much like these verses:

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" Proverbs 13:24

"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23:13-14


Your right that islam does allow for abuse but its prophet and his cronies were abusers and it was a religion build around them and for them.

But you can't say the bible doesn't allow spanking because it does.

Diana Summers said...

Deleting, I can say that the Bible forbids spanking, because it does.

The verses you quote are from the Old Testament, the principles of which must always be interpreted in the light of New Testament revelation. A mistake that Muslim commentators constantly make is not understanding that every part of the Bible must be read in the context of its timeline. But Christians should know better than to make this mistake. No modern Christian is called upon to arise and slay the Gergashites!

In particular, you need to allow that Hebrew is a less precise language than English, and much of its meaning is from the context. The "rod" mentioned in the discipline verses has no one translation - it can mean a measuring stick, a walking staff, a boundary line, a branch of a family or the literal branch of a tree. To claim that the only possible interpretation is a literal beating is absurd; while this meaning is not precluded, it could also refer metaphorically to a non-corporal punishment or to the metaphorical need to "set a limit" on a child's behaviour.

By contrast, Greek is a more precise language than English. There may be difficulty with rendering Greek into clear English but there is no difficulty in understanding what the Greek actually means. When it states "not a hitter" (me plekton) it means "not a hitter" - there is no ambiguity. When the New Testament clearly states, "Do not hit," then any Old Testament verse that appears to say otherwise has to be re-examined.

In fact the whole passage I Timothy 3:1-8 is a blueprint for how to conduct family life. "Keeping children obedient and well-behaved" is a function of a family life based on relationship, character and example rather than on control and punishments.

Having said all that, we can certainly ask questions about why some churches over the centuries have ignored this passage. It is a damning commentary on human nature that some Christians have simply not wanted to know that it was there.

Deleting said...

Diane said, "The verses you quote are from the Old Testament, the principles of which must always be interpreted in the light of New Testament revelation."
me:,,,agreed..but the same God who gave the old testament also gave the new...
Diane: "you need to allow that Hebrew is a less precise language than English, and much of its meaning is from the context. "

Me...no I don't. I need to take all of scripture, regardless of it's precision as God Breathed and God inspired. I also need to see the context. something you're not doing because you appeal to this same logic when you created the strawman argument " No modern Christian is called upon to arise and slay the Gergashites!.

By the way, here's the verses from where you're trying to make your argument:
3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;


3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;


3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

You're trying to tell me we can only look at the greek work me plekton and me plekton alone and we can never look at the surrounding words which supply the context. Ever. Never never never!
Gee, the greek is real precise there, ain't it?

Fact is greek is precise but the words STILL have to be read in light of the whole passage including how it was used.
For example: pais in greek can mean 'junior partner in a same eex relationship' and it's used in the greek old testament in Matthew 8 and Luke 7. That's what it means in the greek and it was used as such in the language when Jesus healed the centurions 'lover'...er, sorry 'servant' or 'child'.
See what I mean? The context as well as usage always determines meaning.
and when we look at old testament and new testament in context and usage it's clear to ABUSE your child is wrong but spanking is appropriate and hence there is no prohibition.

bob said...

Diana Summers

The rebellious/sinful nature of the children referred to in Proverbs in Solomon's time...

Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it far from him. Proverbs 22:15

...is same rebellious/sinful nature found in the children of today; which is why the command (Proverbs 23:13, 14) originally given by God through Solomon still stands.

Of course, as Deleting's quote of Proverbs 13:24 points out, the command also entails that this be done in love, since it's purpose is to rescue a loved child from disaster (delinquency, prison, premature death, hell) by removing the inclination towards taking the wrong path.

Blows that hurt cleanse away evil, as do stripes the inner depths of the heart. Proverbs 20:30

whats my name ... said...

dontjudge islam by its people its a beautifuull religion ,i kno that boy and dont think his mum would of killed him they way he read was amazing so many people where amazed you jus heard never seenn so how could you kno thhat wat the media is saying is truee

goethechosemercy said...

Jesus Christ, Son of God, true God, true human, save this child. Lift him up into your light and protect him forever.
Amen.