Monday, September 17, 2012

Dr. Bill Warner's Lecture: "Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret"

HT: Andy Bell


Anonymous said...

Great video.

There's gonna be some really hot fire in hell for Muhammad and his goons. I hope they dress cool.

Sunil said...

I am not a historian and cannot comment on the accuracy of the claims made by Dr. Bill Warner. However, as a Christian I have to disagree with the philosophical tenor of the presentation. He seems to ignore that a) God is ultimately in control b) It is not a political battle, but a spiritual one.

I disagree with Islam as much as him, but where is the expression of love for muslims, in the name of Jesus? He asks why Christians are ashamed of crusades. Well, that is because that is not the path shown by Jesus (in so far as the role of church is concerned). Jesus has not called us to be warriors for political control, but to love, care and make disciples.

So no, as followers of Christ, we are not "afraid" of anything or anyone, as Dr. Bill Warner seems to suggest - for God is in control. May be politicians are afraid due to thier worldly political calculations, but for followers of Christ there is no political battle. Our job as followers of Christ is to love, present the God, as God leads us in His grace.

And who knows, the muslim nations when they turn to Jesus will be more faithful than the west, where many are turning ungrateful to God and turning godless.

JP Prasad said...

@ Sunil
Why do you wish Muslim nations turn to jesus? Your last sentence resembles like nothing but Islamic view.They also wish Christian nations turn to Allah".. If you can, then try to remove ignorance from Muslims.

There are few mistakes in his video,, which leads to question of his efficiency on making the Video..

Akbar didn't invade in the name of "Allah" rather he established new religion. Out of all Islamic Kings in Bharat, only Akbar dont follow jihad. but his ancestors ,son n grand sons are terrible Monsters.

It is the Ghori, Thuglak,, who destroyed most of temples, n monuments, nothing left for Babur to destroy anything.. in Bharat.

From last over 1000 years of Jihad war in Bharat, even until now jihad in the name of Allah,, almost killed more than 250 million only in this country..

Until 1640, South Bharat is vedic Kingdom,,after war with 5 Muslim Kings in single battle,, the villages, towns, cities are filled with hills of dead bodies..

Tom ta tum Tom said...


THANK YOU for posting this wonderful offering from Dr. Warner! Bill may not be Jewish but otherwise he sure could be a prophet of God! (Just imagine Bill with a scruffy beard and a plumb-line...). David, you make me glad every time I stop by here to read what you're doing.

WOW, I wish I could have watched this vid back in the '80's (but, umm, the Web didn't even really EXIST back in those days... LOL! God was still bringing the web into the minds of people to be used as a tool to counter the wiles of Islam).

May there be ten THOUSAND more Bill Warners, David Woods, Ann Barnhardts, Robert Spencers, Pammela Gellers, Walid Shoebats, BNI Bonnies, Bridgette Gabriels, Christian Princes and I.Q. al-Rassoolis. THANK YOU, LORD!!

HALLELUJAH!! God's truth WILL be proclaimed and His precious Word will NOT return void!

Muslims are leaving Islam every day - by the HUNDREDS - all over the world and civilized people are FINALLY waking up to the nightmare danger of Islam - thanks in no small part to people like our precious "Doctors", David Wood and Bill Warner.



David Wood said...

Tom said: "DAVID!! THANK YOU for posting this wonderful offering . . ."

You should be thanking Anthony and Andy.

Manna said...

This video was very upsetting. Bill Warner mentioned the pessimism/hopelessness that the kafir victim feels in the face of this relentless jihad. I feel that hopelessness. I do not think that there is anything we can do to fight Islam. Especially since it seems both from the testimony of history as explained in this video and the testimony of current events re Islamic conquest, that God is on the side of Islam and has been for the past 1400 years. God has not brought judgment against Islam but has instead allowed it to experience exponential growth at the brutal expense of His people, His church, while at the same time, blinding the world and His church to the true evil that is Islam.
Can someone please help me understand this? Why has God allowed Islam to rape, brutalize, enslave, torture, subjugate and murder Christians for 1400 years? And why did God allow the complete annihilation of Christian civilizations in this part of the world? And why has He allowed this horrendous abuse to remain in the closet for these 1400 years? Why has God abandoned His people in favor of Islam?

blessed z said...

This video is brilliant. Muslims must really restudy islam, not accepting it blindly. Muslims are hypnotized by Islam teaching. They are not aware the teaching lead them to hell. What kind of god command killing?? If they open their heart, their eyes, their ears, they will be woken up from the hypnotis. They will realize that their god is so much different from the True Almighty God who teach His followers to love one another, to forgive, to be humble, etc. The different is as high as sky above earth. Almost all my friends are muslims, and they never studied in depth about islam. They just do the prayer and be taught that they are superior than Christians. I pity them.

Anonymous said...

Manna are you serious?

blessed z said...

And seriously I think westerns are weak and too nice to muslims. Muslims dare to do riots in their own country (Islam countries) and western countries. Western governments have had these problems over and over again but they still let those people live there despite their openly radical invitation for jihad or open expression of their love to Osama bin laden. I challenge them to do riot in China. See what happen.

Ken said...

Manna wrote:
Can someone please help me understand this? Why has God allowed Islam to rape, brutalize, enslave, torture, subjugate . . . Why has God abandoned His people in favor of Islam?


God never abandons His people (Romans 8) and yet He sometimes allows pagans and unbelievers to conquer His people when His people turn away from Him. (God allowed Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greece, Rome to invade and conquer Israel when they turned away from God. (see 2 Kings 17 and 23-25 for why the context of God allowing Assyria and Babylon to judge. God also allowed the Romans to destroy the temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD to show that Christ is the final sacrifice. And God allows the church and state unity (380 AD Theodosius onward) and the Crusades and Colonialism to fail because they were not Biblical either - only prayer (Ephesians 6:10-20; 2 Cor. 10:3-5; Matthew 9:37-38), holiness, sound doctrine, evangelism, missions, and the right kind of government response to Islamic terrorism, based on Romans 13:1-8 and 1 Peter 2:13-14 and 1 Tim. 2:1-5 will help turn the tide.

God is good and great and holy and love - never give up hope!

Manna - maybe this series of articles will help you understand a little of why God allowed Islam to conquer so much - I don't have all the answers, but I think these are the main Biblical answers.
Also, be sure to read the comments in the com boxes - there is lots of information there also; and sometimes it gets controversial.

Part 1:

Part 2:

Part 3:

Part 4:
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Sunil said...


>> Why do you wish Muslim nations turn to jesus?

It is obviously NOT about politics/control. It is about God' truth/salvation/gospel for which, there are no national/racial/ethnical/language etc barriers. Sure, people have different views, but that is why the proclamation of Gospel, debates etc, with faith that God will touch people's lives.

>> Your last sentence resembles like nothing but Islamic view.They also wish Christian nations turn to Allah"..

Issue with Islamic conquest/Sharia is the unjust political subjugation, violation of rights/justice/liberty etc. Apart from that, there is nothing wrong in anyone who has any view to desire that all people know that view. Don’t atheists want all people to know about atheism, for example?

JP Prasad said...

@ Sunil,
I dont call Humans as sinner, they are children of Immortal Bliss.
Atheism is nothing but Ignorance.

This web portal has purpose n Intention. so i must maintain my limits on Gospels, Church etc

The religion that the churches uphold and preach today, that has been built around the personality of Jesus the Christ, and which is popularly known as Christianity, should be called ‘Churchianity’, in contradistinction to that pure religion of the heart that was taught by Jesus the Christ and practised by his disciples. The religion of Christ or true Christianity had no dogma, no creed, no system, and no theology. It was a religion of the heart, a religion without any ceremonial, without ritual, without priest-craft. It was not based upon any book, but upon the feelings of the heart, upon direct communion of the individual soul with the heavenly Father. On the contrary, the religion of the church is based upon a book, believes in dogmas, professes a creed, has an organized system for preaching it, is backed up by theologies, performs rituals, practises ceremonials, and obeys the commands of a host of priests.

The popular history of churchianity begins from 325 years after Christ, the 20th year of the reign of Constantine the Great, when the famous Council was convened at the City of Nocea. Those who have read the life of this august Roman Emperor will remember how remarkable was the character of this so called pious supporter of the church dogmas. He put to death his own son and his wife Fausta on groundless suspicion, cut off his brother-in-law Licinius and the unoffending son of Licinius and massacred everyone of his rivals. Nevertheless the Greek Church has canonized him, and adores the memory of St. Constantine.

We do not hear about the four canonical Gospels until the time of Irenius, Bishop of Lyons in Gaul, who lived in 178-200 A.D. He was the real founder of the Church Canon. It was Irenius who first mentioned four Gospels. His arguments for accepting four Gospels were very remarkable, though not convincing. He says: "It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than four. For, since there are four quarters of the earth, four elements, four seasons and four cardinal winds, the church ought to have four pillars; for this reason there should be four Gospels". How clever was the argument of this noted bishop!
Moreover, there are so many inconsistencies, discrepancies and errors in the Gospels.
Etc Etc ,, if you like to have more discussion , then lets find other place ..

Unknown said...


I think some of your points actually run contrary with the evidence that we have.

For example, you said,
The religion of Christ or true Christianity had no dogma, no creed, no system, and no theology. It was a religion of the heart, a religion without any ceremonial, without ritual, without priest-craft.

Interestingly, the first thing that comes to my mind is 1 Corinthians 15, which is agreed by a vast majority of scholar as an early "creed" of Christianity.

Also, according to Pliny the Younger (61 AD-112AD), he wrote that "it was their (the Christian) custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of a meal" which affirm the holy communion that was passed on to them (Christians) as a "ceremonial" in remembrance of Christ.

Inconsistencies, discrepancies and errors in the Gospels? How about giving one example that you find as the most convincing inconsistency, discrepancy and error in the Gospels that would falsify the foundation of Christianity.

Sunil said...


>> I dont call Humans as sinner, they are children of Immortal Bliss.

Its not a question of just "calling" anyone a sinner. Have you not seen sin and wrong doing in this world? Do you call Hitler's acts as Bliss? Has no one wronged you? Have you not wronged anyone, unjustly angered, inappropriately lusted etc? Are you glossing over the injustices, exploitation, human trafficking, human rights violations, oppression, cheating, debauchery etc as Immortal Bliss? Any one human being you can describe as perfect?

>> .. Christianity, should be called ‘Churchianity’

I do not deny the institutional baggage added by many institutional churches, but that is a straw man. Many people are not necessarily beholden to that institutional baggage. Many define their faith solely in terms of their relationship with God/Jesus.

>> The religion of Christ or true Christianity had no dogma, no creed, no system, and no theology.

Not sure what you mean by no theology etc. Even to say that God exists, is a theology. Even many institutional churches too just follow baptism and communion as symbols and not extensive rituals etc that you are alluding to.

>> It was not based upon any book, but upon the feelings of the heart, upon direct communion of the individual soul with the heavenly Father

There is no contradition between the two. It is authenticated, confirmed via the history of people of Israel, prophets prophesying the purpose and coming of Messiah, and eventually fulfilled in Jesus and recorded in New Testament, and reconciliation, salvation, communion with God etc is possible.

>> The popular history of churchianity begins from 325 years after Christ ...

As I said before, this is a straw man. Many followers of Jesus dont care about "popular history of churchianity" or what Constantine did etc (except for academic reasons perhaps).

>> We do not hear about the four canonical Gospels

No need to be caught up on terminology of canonicity etc. The question is about the authentic, eye-witness biography of Jesus by disciples/associates. The 4 accounts came out of that. You may want to listen to Richard Bauckham's lecture "The Four Gospels and the Other Gospels: Is Our Canon Right?" which can be downloaded at

John 8:24 said...

Sunil: Great response to Skýwæłker! Seems like someone whom I would love to connect with. Have you got a Facebook account where I can friend you or an email account that I can contact you?

John 8:24 said...

@Manna I was pondering about the similar things that you wrote. Here is a passage that came to me -

"Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my absence, I will know that you stand firm in the one Spirit, striving together as one for the faith of the gospel without being frightened in any way by those who oppose you. This is a sign to them that they will be destroyed, but that you will be saved—and that by God. For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him ..." -Phil 1:27-29

What I take from this passage is that a) suffering is granted for followers of Christ and we suffer for Him b) those who are persecuting us will be destroyed in the end (unless they repent and turn to Christ) c) there are two things we ought to do which act a sign for those who are persecuting 1) be united in one spirit for the faith of the gospel 2) do not be afraid of those who oppose us.

I think sadly most Christians are failing in those two things. We definitly have to pray for unity and courage!

Unknown said...

Islam is a terrororganization

Unknown said...

A brilliant exposition of historical Islam. And how the dark ages occurred in the UK. Masquerading under the euphemism of Religion ( we are the Big One). Under the bonnet, I have to confess, I admire the jihad. It occurs on every level, personal, religious, social, family, society, psychological, political, and national. Very few ideologies have that power, and the ability to sustain itself over many centuries. And we can see the havoc it wreaks. Being the best is not necessarily viewed as such by the also rans!

Unknown said...

If there is evil, and god sees it ; if he is not able to stop it, he is not omnipotent; if he is able , but unwilling to stop it, he cannot be merciful. If he is both able and willing, how come there is evil?

Unknown said...

Lol that was fun! the videos and the comments lool

Lena Olsen said...

Dear chris heath@,

First of all you must read your creator GOD(Jesus) word in Bible before you comment.

Evil exist's because you and I have got a free thought process with a free mind. If GOD(Jesus) had not created us with the ability to choose on our own he would have been a dictator, which he is not. See!!!
So GOD(Jesus) shows complete love and mercy if you only decide to follow him and his creator manual for you by your own free mind.

What more could be better for you and me than to let the creator ruke us after what he have in mind for us, instead of letting the devil abuse us for something the creator GOD(Jesus) is not willing to live for ever. So if you are willing to live forever, just follow your creator GOD(Jesus) user manual in Bible.

Wira Raya said...

This person studies Islam although through the Koran, hadith, sira, but by his own. He did not study Islam through the the ulama of Islam or those learned in Islam. So he made his own intrepretation what he read in the Koran and hadis. This is wrong. He should consult the learned Moslems.