Monday, July 16, 2012

Wear Bed Sheets or Get Bedded Say Muslims

It is hard to know why a Muslim like Sami Zaatari would complain that the Old Testament has a law that required a rape victim to marry her rapist. Of course there is no such law in the Bible, but since women who don't dress "modestly," i.e. like ghosts wearing bed sheets, are not innocent when they get raped according to Muslims and they are really "asking for it," why shouldn't it be an acceptable civil response? Islamic law teaches that it is permissible for two people who engage in fornication to later repent of their sin and get married, so why isn't it the same in cases of rape where both parties are complicit (according to Muslim reasoning)? Things that make you go hmmmmm.....


Zack_Tiang said...


BoB said...

This is the most sickening footage of ritualistic and satanic, Koranic abuse.

Paul Guralivu said...

One verse says it all:
Matthew 15:11:"What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’"

It's clear that it's not the women, but the one that is looking.

Obviously there should be a decent way of dressing.


SGM said...

Some times I wonder when moslems, like the one interviewed by the media, tell how things are much better in Islam, if they are actually the most ignorant people in the world or are they truly using taqqiya to the fullest. Obviously, for moslems it is not a problem to deceive the innocent non moslems since they follow Allah who is the best of deceivers. But it is very difficult for me to comprehend.

The prisons in Pakistan are full of women who allegedly are raped. From this moslem’s prospective, he is probably right that there are very few rape cases in moslem countries. But then again, first, a women has to have 4 witnesses to prove that she was raped. Secondly, a women’s witness is equal to half of a man (according to Islam), therefore, even if she is allowed to give testimony, it would not be considered in the Islamic court. Now, how many women are going to have four men watching her rapped?

Therefore, it is impossible to prove and convict a man for rape under Islamic law. So, technically, according to this moslem, it is true that there is no rape in moslem countries since you can not prove any man of rapping a girl. However, this is another matter where taqqiya is used to the fullest by moslems.

In my opinion, this is just another way Mohammad has allowed moslem men to have sex in addition to what their right hand possess. Think about it, if a moslem man wants to have sex where temporary marriage (in other words prostitution) is not available, he can simply rape a girl, making sure that there are less than four witnesses and he is home free of any litigations. It is impossible for a women to get justice in Islamic court. For crying out loud, which Mullah will even consider listening to a women knowing that she has half the intellect of a man?

Jose Joseph said...

Rogers you did an excellant job exposing Sami, you are on the roll this is your second KO, first Derek Adams and now Sami. Just curious since the virgin and the male have clearly committed fornication why isn't there a punishment for the woman since fornication is a sin? And if the virgin doesn't deserve any form of punishment can you please explain why not. Christtheway24

Joe Bradley said...

Another misogynistic, xenophobic Muslim racist running off at the mouth. The non-politically correct version of what he said is, "Our modest and virtuous Muslim women NEVER get raped. It's those slutty white women who give guys like me an excuse to rape them."

Mike said...

Anthony Rogers, can you please explain to me how Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is not forcing a woman to marry her rapist? Thank you.

Anthony Rogers said...

Mike, take a gander at the post below this one. :)

Anthony Rogers said...

Jose, i will try to answer later when i am am able.

simple_truth said...

Mike said...

" Anthony Rogers, can you please explain to me how Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is not forcing a woman to marry her rapist? Thank you."

I'm not Anthony, but I will give you a little info.

The Hebrew word is תּפשׂ , pronounced as tâphaś, which means to manipulate. Although the woman was manipulated in some way to give consent, she is not raped as verse 25 shows. That word is different than in 28. It does not mean to take by force as in 25. It appears that the man manipulates her in some way so that she gives consent. Maybe he charmed her and swept her off of her feet but did it deceptively and she figured it after or during the sexual encounter. That is one possible scenario.

Mike said...

Hi Anthony, I read most of your previous post, at least the important stuff. It was awfully long. As I said in the other post, I think puritan calvinist's explanation makes much more sense than yours or Sam's attempt to explain or rationalized these troubling verses.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it now, the Harper Collins Study Bible says about Deuteronomy 22:28-29, "The wording indicates coercion, but biblical law does not sharply distinguish between rape and seduction of an unbetrothed woman."

Mike said...

@Jose Joseph, I think it's a little weird that you are listed as a cowriter of, which is Derek Adams's website, but here you are singing the praises of Anthony Rogers and being his cheerleader. Again, it's just weird. Care to explain?

BoB said...

22 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ox or his sheep go astray, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt in any case bring them again unto thy brother.

2 And if thy brother be not nigh unto thee, or if thou know him not, then thou shalt bring it unto thine own house, and it shall be with thee until thy brother seek after it, and thou shalt restore it to him again.

3 In like manner shalt thou do with his ass; and so shalt thou do with his raiment; and with all lost thing of thy brother's, which he hath lost, and thou hast found, shalt thou do likewise: thou mayest not hide thyself.

4 Thou shalt not see thy brother's ass or his ox fall down by the way, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt surely help him to lift them up again.

5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

6 If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:

7 But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.

8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

10 Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.

11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself.

13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;

19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

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Teri said...

Mike, Here are a couple of resources that answer your question.

Anthony Rogers said...


I will try to keep my posts shorter just for you.

And as you learned, PC wasn't agreeing with your sloppy inference or doing anything that helps you rationalize your apostasy.

crujjy said...

Anthony Rogers, you know a good amount about Islam right? You know how if you put words from the Qur'an on pamphlets, they can't dispose of it unceremoniously because of rules telling you to treat the Qur'an respectfully? What if we provided clothing that contains that same Arabic on it? Would that make Muslims say "I can't punch them, if they bleed over it, it'll disrespect the Qur'an?" or "I can't tear this, its a Qur'an?" Maybe we could hand these out to women in those areas he's talking about, and perhaps protect high profile targets of Islam like David Wood this way?

BoB said...

25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

30 A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

In other Words adulterers are to be put to death. Rapists are to be put to death. and the lady that is raped is not guilty of sin and to be left alone. A young couple who arent betrothed who have sexual relations before being wed are to be joined in marriage till death do them part, no if's or buts.

This is another example of muslims taking verses and chapters completly out of context.

Do you not understand the meaning and the uses of a fullstop. A comma, or semicolan;

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is talking about consenting pre marital sex and the consequences binding the two together for life.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27 is talking specifically about rape here.

25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

Again it's a CLEAR example of educated muslims (satans foot soldiers) twisting verses of the bible for their own use or uneducated Muslims trying to refute passages from the Word of God, The Holy Bible with verses form their own, plagerised satanic koran with poorly understood and tranlated passages from the bible and greek and roman philosophical concepts.

Plain and simply for the world to see. The koran this filthy evil book dictated by satan, turns the world upside down on its head. Black is white and up is down etc..

July 18, 2012 8:28 PM

Edit to fix mistakes in earlier post that I'm, Deleting do to not checking scriptues cutted and pasted properly.

As Terry said

Teri said...
Mike, Here are a couple of resources that answer your question.

Jose Joseph said...

@ Mike , Derek is my cowriter on the website but if you took your time to read our personal info on the site you would notice that Derek is an agnostic and am a theist. And I do enjoy cheerleading when a fellow theist like Rogers is reminding Derek that not only is he borrowing from the Christian world view but he also also borrowed a last name,I.e Adam that belongs to the first human theist.

Baron Eddie said...

"like ghosts" ...

I call them Ninjas ...

Mike said...

Well, well, well, I knew it wasn't long before the ad hominem/personal attacks and general nastiness would start coming from Anthony. After all, it's what you're known for. Well, if you want to play that game, I can play it too.

Actually, I don't need PC's posts to rationalize my apostasy. There are plenty of reasons to explain my apostasy, including the failed apocalyptic prophecies of the new testament. And before you start with your crap, I hate to disappoint you, but preterism and your ridiculous pre-suppositional apologetics won't get you anywhere.

Don't worry, Anthony. You won't have to deal with me anymore and you can have the last word, because I'm out of here. It's obvious that you are a sociopath and can't have a reasonable conversation, so conversing with you is a waste of time.

Now go get bent.

Anthony Rogers said...


After doing nothing to interact with what I wrote on Deuteronomy 22:28-29 and accusing me of just trying to rationalize a law that is otherwise troubling to you, are you seriously throwing a temper tantrum because I said you are looking for reasons to rationalize why you are a covenant-breaker?

And do you seriously think you can refute preterism with a waive of your hand?

And after that intemperate outburst are you serious when you call me a sociopath? And when you tell me to "go get bent"?

All that outrage from an atheist just doesn't seem to comport for me. Why are you so upset at the way things are? Why are you upset with me? Is the universe supposed to be a different place than the one it is? What went wrong? (Sorry, I just had to get a little of that "ridiculous presupp" off my chest".)

I hope you didn't expect me to beg you to stay. Besides, you aren't in the staying business, are you? Persevering to the end just isn't your style.

Good riddance.