Monday, April 2, 2012

Egyptian Copts Abandon Constitution Talks

Mubarak was a dictator, but he was a dictator towards everyone without much bias. The Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis direct the bulk of their aggression towards non-Muslims and liberal Muslims, and hope to eradicate Christianity and Western values from Egypt.

The West backed the Egyptian revolution, and now the Copts are reaping the consequences. They have realized that Islam doesn't allow non-Muslims to take part in legislation, and they have backed out of Constitutional negotiations.

This is just a foreshadowing of things to come.

REUTERS--Egypt's Coptic Orthodox Church has announced it is withdrawing from talks on a new constitution, saying Islamist domination of the drafting body has made its participation "pointless," Egypt's state news agency said.

The decision late on Sunday followed calls by Egyptian liberals to boycott the constitution drafting committee, which is seen as failing to adequately represent the nation's diversity.

The current constitution was suspended by the country's army rulers in February of last year shortly after they took power from Egypt's long-serving autocratic president, Hosni Mubarak.

The 100-member constitutional assembly selected by the parliament is dominated by Islamists, reflecting their resounding victory in parliamentary elections.

"The Coptic Orthodox Church General Council agreed with the approval of all of the council's 20 members to withdraw from the constitutional assembly... as it found it was pointless for the church to be represented following the comments made by the national forces about the way the assembly was formed," the state news agency said, quoting a church statement.

Coptic Christians, who form Egypt's biggest minority group and constitute most of Egypt's 10 percent Christian population, have long had a difficult relationship with the country's overwhelmingly Muslim majority.

Since Mubarak's ouster, Christians have become increasingly worried after an upsurge in attacks on churches, which they blame on hardline Islamists, although experts say local disputes are often also behind them. (Read more.)

***UPDATE*** Peaceful and tolerant Western Muslim apologist Osama Abdallah just posted a comment declaring his support for Muslim efforts to eradicate Christianity in Egypt. Osama believes that Egyptian Muslims should indeed expel Christians. He writes:

"In short, they want to eradicate the pornography that is called christianity from Egypt. Anyone with the least dignity should support them on this. But who am I talking to?!"

We can only assume that Osama supports the destruction of Coptic churches, the oppression and forced conversion of Copts, etc.

45 comments:

mkvine said...

Hey David,

Have you been wondering what happened to Ali Ataie, the person you debate at UCD? I found out that he's still active in apologetics. He's going to give a lecture in California at the Zaytuna College called "Finding Muhammad (upon him be peace) in the Bible" Friday April 13, 8:30 PST. If you are interested, you can watch him through live stream here:
http://zaytuna.pivotshare.com/#view=Multimedia;detail=436

I wonder if he's still up for debates...

Derek Adams said...

I'm not personally a supporter of the war on Afghanistan or Iraq. But if you are going to spread "freedom and democracy and liberation" you know I have to wonder why America don't invade, hmm I don't know, SOMALIA SUDAN, EGYPT? Liberate the copts?

The Coptics now have no chance. And this is what Leftists and Muslims want to call a "democratic Egypt".

C'mon, America start being consistent with your imperialistic foreign policy.

-Dk

Osama Abdallah said...

"....and hope to eradicate Christianity and Western values from Egypt....."

RESPONSE:

They hope to eradicate gambling casinos, alcohol, openly sexual beaches in Sharm El-Sheikh beaches and resorts, and instill Islamic Values into the country.
In short, they want to eradicate the pornography that is called christianity from Egypt. Anyone with the least dignity should support them on this. But who am I talking to?!

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

aaron said...

@osama
says the person who can;t read 1 corintheans 5:5 properly let alone read the title to it. so you understand why we don;t take you seriously.

Hazakim1 said...

Osama,

You are playing with fire. And you WILL be burned.

Nobody but everybody said...

@Osama Abdallah - You are a bloody jackass, a jackass has probably more brains than you do.

CristoTeAma said...

Osama Abdallah again shows his true colors, he talks about Islam being tolerant and not a harm to the west yet he says "pornography" when it's Islam the one who actually allows pedophilia, rapes, slavery, domestic violence, etc. I don't understand how he can even call himself debater, he says Islam is compatible with western values, yet the west allos all religions to exists even a so disgusting violent religion as Islam is, which is the only mistake i see in our laws.

I would also like to ask to this "debater" Osama where in the bible you find support from god to make these thigs? "They hope to eradicate gambling casinos, alcohol, openly sexual beaches in Sharm El-Sheikh beaches and resorts" yet i can see on the hadiths that the soldiers of Allah were rapists, podophiles, given to their lusts so they had to cover their women, violent towards their own family members, haha are those the values we see in your islamic countries the ones we need? good to see how "moderate" muslims minds work.. LOL!!!

minoria said...

Osama how can you call Christianity a pornography unless it means you are against women having their hair uncovered.

Things are heading rapidly toward a caliphate,the only thing left is for somebody to appear claiming to be the Mahdi.

I agree with Derek that the Iraq and Afghanistan adventure was a mistake.The ones who decided it knew NOTHING of Islamic history.

Guys,check this out:

"Was Firdausi,the First Great Persian Poet,Saviour of the Language,a Secret Apostate?"

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/09/30/was-firdausithe-first-great-persian-poetsaviour-of-the-languagea-secret-apostate/

Foolster41 said...

Osama: You are a fascist, you can't be a decent person and a fascist at the same time.

But nope, Samatar! Only "moderate" peaceful Muslims here, including Osama! He just wants to wipe Christians and Jews from the their homes and the face of the earth!

Foolster41 said...

And, Osama, you gonna apologize for slandering me by saying I want hate crimes to happen against Muslims for simply saying hate crimes don't happen that much, and cited a report that said as much? (And even if not true, it is a HUGE leap of logic to go from "I don't think hate crimes happen" to "I wish hate crimes happened more"). Are you going to run away again?

Are you going to apollogize for your agregious misuse of 1 Chron 5:5?

Or, are you like most muslims incapable of apollogizing to kuffir because that would show weakness, and muslims are after all "the best of all" (i.e. the Übermensch)?

The Berean Search said...

Osama, if you really believe the Salafis and Muslim Brotherhood are simply trying to get rid of gambling, alcohol and bikinis on the beach then you sir...are a gullible feeble-minded nitwit.

If you expect us to believe the Salafis and Muslim Brotherhood are simply trying to get rid of gambling, alcohol and bikinis on the beach....you have about as much chance for success as a snow-cone salesman in the Arctic Circle.

Osama Abdallah said...

David Wood,

You intentionally chopped my paragraph (statement that is) in half, and only took the second half to deceive the reader.
I said:

"They hope to eradicate gambling casinos, alcohol, openly sexual beaches in Sharm El-Sheikh beaches and resorts, and instill Islamic Values into the country. In short, they want to eradicate the pornography that is called christianity from Egypt. Anyone with the least dignity should support them on this. But who am I talking to?!"

I was calling your toilet dump pornography. If your people want to live in harmony with the Muslims in Egypt, without defiling the Muslim society with cuntography, then I am all for it. They can remain all the christians they want so long they don't defile the Muslims with its feces.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

aussie christian said...

Dear Department of homeland security,

Seeing as you good people are trolling webistes looking to find "hate speach" and other security breaches, I hereby present exibit A001, Osama Abdulla, muslim apologist, calling for genocide, ie: hate speach.

He has kindly given you his website for you to properly investigate.

Thus it is time for you govt people, IE: tax payer employees to get off your backsides and do your job, which the tax payer pay you to do. unless of course you waste of space tax payer employees will be to gutless to do your jobs for fear of being called islamaphobes.

NITEMARES791 said...

Osama Abdallah "RESPONSE:They hope to eradicate gambling casinos, alcohol, openly sexual beaches in Sharm El-Sheikh beaches and resorts, and instill Islamic Values into the country. In short, they want to eradicate the pornography that is called christianity from Egypt. Anyone with the least dignity should support them on this. But who am I talking to?!"

I am glad osama thinks this way. I hope he wont mind if the Zionists want to eradicate the islamic savage barbarian terror loving lunatics. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/. I hope he wont mind if the Zionists want to rid the world of these filthy islamic rapists beasts of satan.

http://current.com/groups/politics/89738369_eurabia-muslim-rape-a-growing-problem-all-over-europe.htm

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/norway-all-rapes-in-past-5-years-committed-by-muslimsnon-western-immigrants.html

http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-puts-sweden-at-top-of-euro-rape-statistics-peace-in-europe-surrender/

And these atrocities Police link 38 girls to sex abuse case
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9624450.Police_link_38_girls_to_sex_abuse_case/

Why My Mother Wants Me Dead
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/03/04/sabatina-james-why-my-mother-wants-me-dead.html

Of course than we can install decent morality to the world.

THANK YOU
http://unsavoryislam.blogspot.com/
http://www.memri.org/subject/en/840.htm.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

PETER

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Osama,

Your imagination is not real.

Osama Abdallah said...

Aussie Christian,

Here is something for your homeland security male-lesbians:

I AM 100% ALL FOR A TOTAL BLOOD BATH if your cuntographic christians and the so-called Muslim liberal homosexuals want to defile our societies with their pornography and feces that you call christianity. However, like the Glorious Quran Commands us:

1- There is no compuslion (forcing people) into Islam.

2- We Muslims must be kind and just to those disbelievers who are peaceful with us.

So for those Christians who want to RESPECT our Islamic values and not challenge them and/or try to defile them with christianity's feces, then they should be allowed and protected to live among us, as they've ALWAYS lived among us for many many centuries. But make no mistake about it, your holy cuntography, and doing 69 with your sister who was "nursed from your mother's breasts" (The Bible, book of Song of Songs 8:1-3)" is something our societies don't allow. So keep it in your pedophelic churches and pornographic homes and alcoholic and disco-times churches. Don't bring christianity's feces out because it'll get shoved down your throat. I know how strict Muslims are over there.

I hope this helps your homeland pornography department.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Foolster41 said...

Osama: "Oh no! You got it all wrong! Look at the context! I don't just want to remove Christianity form Egypt! I'm ALSO slandering Christians with the false equation of pornography and gambling!"
Please show how Chrisitanity supports pornography or gambling in any way.You simply can't, and that means your a HYPOCRITE since you claim we misrepresent Islam, but you have no problem slandering and smearing Christians such as myself.

Foolster41 said...

Also, you have once again ignored me and refused to apologize. I don't expect you to, but I'm pointing it out so everyone can clearly see what a degenerate and dishonest person you are.

aaron said...

@osama
where in the bible does it support pornography? where?

none of the stuff on your site actually makes a case but then again you need to learn to read we are still waiting for your complete mess up about 1 Corintheans 5:5. also where does it say it supports gambling?

Foolster41 said...

What Osama really means by "defile" of course is simply sharing ones belief and having the freedom of speech and conscience. We've seen VERY clearly what the outgrowth of what you are advocating: No churches or symbols of Christianity, no freedom of speech for Christians (that Muslims of course, are allowed). Your idea of an ideal state is that of palastine, Saudia Arabia and Iran. FASCISM? NO THANK YOU, SIR! Once again, you are once again throwing out apologetically bigoted and frankly genocidal (advocating the silencing and elimination of Christians and other non-muslims) propaganda. You have no shame.

Haecceitas said...

Osama, when you say "the pornography that is called christianity from Egypt" do you mean that Christianity in Egypt is particularly accepting or even promoting things like pornography, or is this your assessment of Christianity as a whole? And when you say that "I AM 100% ALL FOR A TOTAL BLOOD BATH", it doesn't exactly sound like the kind of "solution" that would be implemented only on the specific individuals that are guilty of these things (though even that would be bad enough). So this sounds very much like the same kind of thinking that justifies terrorist attacks against civilians on the grounds that "they" (their government, military forces etc.) have done something.

Deleting said...

Osama said, "I AM 100% ALL FOR A TOTAL BLOOD BATH if your cuntographic christians and the so-called Muslim liberal homosexuals want to defile our societies with their pornography and feces that you call christianity. However, like the Glorious Quran Commands us"

Question: The last time you did Hajj did you give the black stone a mere peck or did inhale a piece of it from all the french kissing. Language like this is something totally befitting a potty mouth and not a holy or religious man who has a mind and heart for the things of God.
You mother must be so proud.

agrammatos said...

@Osama,

You have completely misunderstood SOS8.1-2. It actually describes a very important value present in even current Middle Eastern Islamic cultures, viz. that women should not be seen in public with men with whom they are not related. Verse one begins "Oh that you were ***as*** my brother". If he were, then she could even greet him with a familiar kiss (on the cheek) in public and there would be no shame. However, since he is not her brother, she can't even be seen in public with him, much less greet him with a familiar kiss as blood relatives might do. In verse 2, if they were blood relatives, she could even have him in her home.

It's the little word "as" that you missed, my friend. The Hebrew particle "ke" is prepended to the Hebrew word for brother. So, "as" or "like" "a brother" is what the Hebrew reads. The Shulamite maiden loves this man, but knows that certain things are not permitted in their relationship as I've stated above, but would be permitted if they were brother and sister, viz. being seen in public or being in the same home together. Leave it at that, my friend. Please, don't let your imagination run wild.

Next time, before commenting on the Holy Bible, please go ask the people of the Book if you want to understand what it says.

aussie christian said...

And osama shows us who he realy is and who his allah has turned him into. foulmouthed, abusive, genocidal and all round satan possessed. You really are of your father satan the devil.

aaron said...

@osama
WOW OSAMA EPIC FAIL on song of songs 8:1-3. In jewish custom kissing someone as a from of greeting and sign of respect. you just did another 1 corintheans 5:5 again. seriously have you done any research? It is referring to someone who considers a person as a close brother. So according to you brothers are not allowed to hug.

here is the qoute
"1 If only you were to me like a brother,
who was nursed at my mother’s breasts!
Then, if I found you outside,
I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me.
2 I would lead you
and bring you to my mother’s house—
she who has taught me.
I would give you spiced wine to drink,
the nectar of my pomegranates.
3 His left arm is under my head
and his right arm embraces me."

Osama how did you ever become a apologist like that if you can;t even do your research? geez if you tried to write a paper like that and hand it to be peer reviewed then you will be laughed out of the intellectual community.

Melvyn R. Cyrus said...

Sorry guys for posting this disgusting material, but I got a bit irritated by the accusation of pornography,

From:
http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e92.html#2

Imam al-Nawawi rahimahullah said in the Rawda, book of Nikah, chapter on the rights of the husband in sexual enjoyment (istimta`): "He has the rights to all kinds of sexual enjoyment except to look at her pudendum because there is a difference of opinion concerning this [being haram, the sounder ruling being that it is makruh] and except for anal intercourse, which is strictly prohibited." Further down, discussing the absolute prohibition of masturbation, he says: "But it is permissible that he masturbate with the hand of his wife... just as he may enjoy her entire body."

The Maliki fatwa on the licitness of oral stimulation is confirmed by Imam al-Qurtubi in his Tafsir for Surat al-Nur (24), verse 31: { And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent...} . Al-Qurtubi, unlike Ibn al-Qattan, does not consider it a hyperbole. He said:

The Scholars (al-nas) have two positions concerning the licitness of the man looking at the woman's pudendum. One is that it is licit, because if it is licit for him to enjoy it then a fortiori to look at it. It was also said that it is impermissible because of the hadith of [our Mother] `A'isha (radyAllahu `anha) when she mentioned her state with the Messenger of Allah - salla Allahu `alayhi wa Alihi wa Sallam: "Neither did I see that part of him nor he of me." The more correct position is the first one while the latter is understood as good manners (adab). Ibn al-`Arabi [al-Maliki] cited Asbagh - one of our Ulema - as saying: It is permissible for him to lick it with his tongue. Ibn Khuwayz Mindad said: The husband may look, etc.

From Sheikh Yusuf Abdullah Al-Qaradâwi (from IslamOnline):

Muslim jurists are of the opinion that it is lawful for the husband to perform cunnilingus on his wife, or a wife to suck her husband's penis (fellatio) and there is no wrong in doing so. But if sucking leads to releasing semen, then it is Makrooh (blameworthy), but there is no decisive evidence (to forbid it). These parts are not dirty like anus, but it is normally disgusting to man. But there is no decisive evidence to make it unlawful, especially if the wife agrees with it or gets her ecstasy by practicing it. Allah, Exalted and Glorified be He, says:
"And who guard their modesty, save from their wives or the slaves, that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, but Who so craveth beyond that, such are transgressors."

Look also at this:
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16710/muslim-woman-gives-sex-advice-on-arab-tv

Melvyn R. Cyrus said...

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/sex-mutual-masturbation.html

Ibn ‘Abidin clearly states the permissibility of mutual masturbation between the husband and the wife, quoting the Mi’raj al-Diraya as saying ‘And it is permitted to masturbate with the hand of one’s wife’. However, elsewhere in al-Durr al-Mukhtar (upon which Ibn ‘Abidin is commenting) Imam al-Haskafi quotes the Jawhara al-Nayyara as saying ‘It is disliked if one enables one’s wife … to play with one’s penis such that it results in ejaculation’. Ibn ‘Abidin explains that the ‘dislike’ here must mean, at most, somewhat disliked (makruh tanzihan) so it does not negate what ibn ‘Abidin quoted earlier from Mi’raj al-Diraya concerning the lawfulness of this act.

"In response to numerous inquiries on the topic of oral sex as it is practiced and understood in the West, the consensus among the sheikhs and traditional scholars is that it contravenes the adab (proper Islamic behavior) of an Islamic marriage, and is revolting to a sound human nature (fitra). When the actual details of oral sex have been described to them, they plainly say it is haram (unlawful)."

http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e92.html

There is no such consensus at all. The licitness of oral sex seems frank and explicit in the School of Imam Malik radyAllahu `anhu as you will see further down. In our own time, Qadi Muhammad Ahmad Kan`an of Beirut in his book on marital etiquette _Usul al-Mu`ashara al-Zawjiyya_ ("Principles of Marital Cohabitation" Dar al-Basha'ir al-Islamiyya, 8th ed. p. 99-100) gives the fatwa that oral sex between spouses is licit. As for the implicit fatwas to that effect they are countless. The basic ruling is licitness from head to toe except for anal intercourse, and also except genital intercourse at the time of menses, all provided harm is avoided, as spelled out in the Reliance of the Traveller m5.4.

Melvyn R. Cyrus said...

And my last post on this topic, again sorry! I was also shocked when I read those things.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/sex-oral.html

Regarding the issue of oral sex, if it can be done in such a way that no filth is involved, then from the perspective of lawful and prohibited it in and of itself would be considered lawful. But the term "oral sex" covers a wide range of activities, and there are differences between the various schools of fiqh regarding the purity and filth of bodily fluids, namely: sperm and vaginal secretions; there seems to be agreement among the Hanafis, Shafi`is, and Hanbalis that pre-ejaculatory fluid is filthy.

Something that entirely escapes the problem of filth is a man kissing the outer parts of his wife's genitals and sucking her clitoris. The first is mentioned in many books of Hanbali fiqh, saying that it is permissible before penetration and offensive after; and to clarify: the issue mentioned is not restricted to the outer parts. The second is mentioned in the Shafi`i work Fath Al-Mu`in and its meta-commentary `Iyanat Al-Talibin. For further reference, look through the index of the book of marriage for the sections concerning looking at members of the opposite sex and the sections conerning bedroom behavior .

Based on the basic guidelines above and based on the example of a man kissing his wife's genitals, it should also be lawful for a wife to kiss her husband's penis as long as she avoids any areas where there is pre-ejaculatory fluid.

But what Westerners usually have in mind when they talk about oral sex are fellatio and cunnilingus. Regarding pre-ejaculatory fluid, the only opinion I have ever seen is that it is haram. Additionally, even though the Shafi`is and Hanbali schools both consider sperm to be pure, they both agree that it is unlawful to swallow. This makes fellatio very highly likely to be unlawful. I suppose an enthusiastic couple could always use a condom.

As for cunnilingus: there are differences of opinion regarding whether or not vaginal secretions are pure or filthy, before and after penetration, and depending on where they are secreted from. Because of this, it is best avoided.

Should a couple decide to perform these acts, they must be sure to rinse out their mouths afterwards. This is something they should be doing in any case, and it is an essential part of purification for Hanbalis.

For added benefit and so we don't need to repeat this topic again: Hanbali books mention that it is lawful for a husband to achieve ejaculation by his wife masturbating him, and by rubbing his penis between her thighs or breasts. They also mention that while anal sex is absolutely unlawful, it is lawful to place a finger on the anus as long as it does not penetrate. One of the reasons for mentioning these detailed examples is to show that they were not unknown to the scholars, and in sha Allah to add strength to the idea that the general rulings mentioned in the books are sufficient for working out these detailed cases.

Osama Abdallah said...

"Question: The last time you did Hajj did you give the black stone a mere peck or did inhale a piece of it from all the french kissing. Language like this is something totally befitting a potty mouth and not a holy or religious man who has a mind and heart for the things of God.
You mother must be so proud."

RESPONSE:

The black stone is not even worth a crap to me. A drop of my blood, or any believer's blood, is far more precious than the entire Kaaba (the black cube building).
This is what the Prophet of Islam said, not me. He kissed the black stone because he considered it was the asteroid that was sent down from space to determine where the Kaaba was to be built, for Abraham and Ishamel, peace be upon them. The Prophet never bowed to it, nor ever considered it holy. If some scumbags are willing to die to kiss it after 1 million mouths have kissed it, then they can have a go at it. But this is not my Islam, ********NOR DID THE PROPHET OF ISLAM EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR COMMAND THE KISSING OF THE BLACK STONE. You would have a valid point if the Prophet actually commanded it. But you do not.

IN the Bible, on the other hand, you do have holy birds/lairs in the Holy Templs: www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

And in regards to open dialogues and debates between Muslims and non-Muslims, I am all 100% for it! This actually has begun on small scale in Egypt during Mubarak's times. As Muslims, we have nothing to fear. In fact, one of the top Christian Coptic leaders came out on Aljazeera and said that more than 50,000 copts convert to Islam every year, and he presented the CD to the host, which he claimed contained some documents that prove this claim. This wasn't an average copt. He was one of their top Clergy.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

sebsite said...

Hei, Buffoon 'Obdallah' (OA),
One question:
Are you ready for a live debate with
David Wood or with Sam Shamoun on the subject 'MORALITY IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY' or 'WHICH IS PORNOGRAPHIC: ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY?'

Billy said...

“I AM 100% ALL FOR A TOTAL BLOOD BATH ....cuntographic Christians….pornography and feces that you call Christianity"

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.(luke 6:45)

Violence and profanity are what is in Osama’s heart, and he is just expressing them--another example of what Islam spawns.

gabriella oak said...

I feel sorry for Osama having to live in the West surrounded by so much Christian "pornography".
It can't be easy getting through the day untouched by so much sin and temptation with only a ' dinner for 1 ' and an apprehensive billy-goat waiting at home.

Osama Abdallah said...

"Hei, Buffoon 'Obdallah' (OA),
One question:
Are you ready for a live debate with
David Wood or with Sam Shamoun on the subject 'MORALITY IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY' or 'WHICH IS PORNOGRAPHIC: ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY?'"

RESPONSE:

I'll respond to the statements one at a time:


"Hei, Buffoon 'Obdallah' (OA),"

Yes. How can I help you?

"One question:"

Yes.

"Are you ready for a live debate with
David Wood or with Sam Shamoun on the subject 'MORALITY IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY' or 'WHICH IS PORNOGRAPHIC: ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY?'"

Sam Shamoun debating me on whether the Bible is pornographic or not?! This would be a miracle in itself since I've challenged him at least 10 times in the past and he never had the balls to accept. I know David would accept any debate, but George and Sam wouldn't. So if you can arrange it with them, then count me in! :)

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

aaron said...

@osama
why should we debate you after you can;t even read or have a ounce of knowledge of jewish?

remeber 1Conrintheans 5:5 and the most recent one Songs of songs 8:1-3?

If you gonna make a claim at least get your facts right otherwise there is no point debating you

"And in regards to open dialogues and debates between Muslims and non-Muslims, I am all 100% for it! This actually has begun on small scale in Egypt during Mubarak's times. As Muslims, we have nothing to fear. In fact, one of the top Christian Coptic leaders came out on Aljazeera and said that more than 50,000 copts convert to Islam every year, and he presented the CD to the host, which he claimed contained some documents that prove this claim. This wasn't an average copt. He was one of their top Clergy."

the clergy would say that due to the fact if i was to telling anything else apart from that Muslims react like they did in Indonesia like burning churches or have their little tantrums they had in rallies

aaron said...

@osama

ahh the differences is that god's presence was in the temple but why do you still bow to a rock? if its worth nothing to you rofl :P

Foolster41 said...

I agree, there's no point in debating someone who is completely dishonest who resorts to name calling, slanders and lies, and openly supports genocide against Jews (praises HAMAS!) and Chrisitans ("blooodbath", see above). You need to get your act together, Osama. I'm praying the darkness and hate of your heart will be cleared away.

aaron said...

@osama
WHere does it say You can have sex with your sister in song of songss 8:1-3. can our even read? come back after some reading lessons

@foolster41
is more to the fact that I that osama out right can;t even read that makes me consider him a individual not worth debating. I am wondering is if he is intentionally deceiving people

after 1corintheans 5:5 and now this one. i think he is intentionally doing it. If he was doing a honest mistake then i could would be more tolerant of him but this is strike 2 already.

CristoTeAma said...

Isn't this same Osama the one who made travel David and Sam some months ago to debate him and in the last momment he canceled because he didn't know you have to arrive some time before the Airplain leave ? lol, and now he is talking about Sam don't wanting to debate him, i can only laugh...

BTW Aljazeera said millions of Muslims are converting to Christianity after interviewing a Sheik, so it proves our theology is better? and BTW you do have to be afraid of debating since everytime you do it, your facist cult get more exposed.

CristoTeAma said...

I forgot the link, i like to show the proofs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

aaron said...

As i said there is no point in debating osama cause he lacks all intellectual integrity seeing his recent one and 1Corintheans 5:5. he is taking random verses in the bible and adding things that are not there.

David

you should make a video about this and post it on youtube to show his website is a bit of a joke.

betwixt said...

@CristoTeAma

I just started reading the interview trascript. Check out the first question and answer:

Maher Abdallah:
If we start by inquiring about your strict stance against the Christian missions in Africa, don?t the followers of every religion have the right to seek new converts, exactly as you train and graduate young Muslims to propagate Islam?

Ahmad Al Katani:

[. . .]

The question that you pose is a result of not comprehending the difference between the concept of Christianization and the concept of evangelism.

The concept of evangelism: is inviting the non-Christians to the Christian or Nazarene religion, and this is the right of every Christian and the right of every believer to call others to his faith. However, we are talking about a different matter; which is Christianization. Christianization means the following: preparing plans, and executing these plans and evolving these plans to change Muslims into Christians by taking advantage of the ignorance and poverty (of the people) and whatever necessitates from similar circumstances.

So, we are faced with the issue of taking advantage of circumstances, taking advantage of humanitarian needs, taking advantage of the lack of education for example, that these people (missionaries) use to take Muslims out of their religion.


First, he plays semantics with "evangelization" and "Christianization" (no surprise there), then he spins "Christianization" as basically exploitation of the "poor" (in spirit, education, etc.). What I find so funny, although again not surprising, is he is projecting what Muslims are doing in the West--except, I would argue, Muslims are more scheming in that they also exploit the strengths of Western culture, most notably our high regard for personal freedoms.

Jihad, anyone?

Their hypocrisy is so appalling. Not surprising. It's expected. Still appalling.

cornholio said...

It's funny that Osama complains about pornography -- considering THE LEADING country for google searches for rape sex and underage sex is PAKISTAIN.

Hazakim1 said...

I guarantee that the only way Osama could "bloodbath" most of us men on this board is the tyical muslim way: with a gun, bomb, or mob. I doubt he can knuckle up man to man and bloodbath anything. I pity and pray for a man who has been decieved but would not think twice about flooring one who threatens my people. Osama...repent or face the eternal flame of Messiah's wrath. Trust me, you would RATHER get punched in the face by Anderson Silva than to face the God-Man.

Hazakim1 said...

I guarantee that the only way Osama could "bloodbath" most of us men on this board is the tyical muslim way: with a gun, bomb, or mob. I doubt he can knuckle up man to man and bloodbath anything. I pity and pray for a man who has been decieved but would not think twice about flooring one who threatens my people. Osama...repent or face the eternal flame of Messiah's wrath. Trust me, you would RATHER get punched in the face by Anderson Silva than to face the God-Man.