Monday, February 6, 2012

Kangaroo Condemns Muhammad

In the comments section of a recent post, our Muslim friend Kangaroo condemned his own prophet. According to Kangaroo, it's morally repugnant to go around harassing people because of their beliefs. Indeed, such behavior is a symptom of insecurity. He writes:

My life isn't spent going around annoying Christians about their religion lol.

And it's extremely sad that one has to spend their life annoying other faiths constantly since he/she is insecure about their own faith.

Doesn't Kangaroo know that when Muhammad was in Mecca, he "denounced" the gods of the pagans?

At-Tabari, Volume VI, p. 93—The Messenger of Allah proclaimed Allah’s message openly and declared Islam publicly to his fellow tribesmen. When he did so, they did not withdraw from him or reject him in any way . . . until he spoke of their gods and denounced them. When he did this, they took exception to it and united in opposition and hostility to him, except for those of them whom Allah had protected from error by means of Islam.

According to Kangaroo, it's "extremely sad that one has to spend their life annoying other faiths." With this in mind, pay careful attention to how the Meccans reacted to Muhammad's constant criticism.

At-Tabari, Volume VI, p. 101—[The Meccans said:] “We have never seen the like of what we have endured from this man. He has derided out traditional values, abused our forefathers, reviled our religion, caused division among us, and insulted our gods. We have endured a great deal from him.”

Wow! Muhammad sure was insecure about his faith! In fact, he was so insecure, he even commanded his followers to mistreat, abuse, and fight non-Muslims:

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Qur’an 9:123—O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”

Sahih Muslim 30—It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right, and his affairs rest with Allah.

Sahih Muslim 33—It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

But Kangaroo can't stomach any of this. He believes it's wrong to spend any significant amount of time criticizing other people's beliefs. Hence, Kangaroo has condemned his own prophet, who spent far more time worrying about unbelievers than I ever will. Muhammad slaughtered unbelievers. I simply point out when Muslims believe something that's obviously false. According to Kangaroo, this makes me a much better person than Muhammad.

11 comments:

Kangaroo said...

"annoying other faiths".

Constantly spreading misinformation about them, lying, and constantly deceiving their followers and your own followers about what their religion teaches.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spread the message of Islam, which is the Mercy mankind has asked from their Lord. You're arrogant enough to compare yourself to Prophets like Moses (that killed entire populations according to the Bible). They were commanded to spread their faith and preach it. We are also commanded to give Dawah to people, not to annoy them. Which is why compulsion in religion is not tolerated in Islam. An Islamic state won't annoy a peaceful non-Muslim state simply because they are Christians or Jews. But of course you want to misinform your followers to gain more bigots.

We aren't however, taught by the Prophet Muhammad, to be bigoted like you and constantly deceive people about their own religions and misinform them to gain followers.

And
Really? :

"But Kangaroo can't stomach any of this. He believes it's wrong to spend any significant amount of time criticizing other people's beliefs"

I don't have a problem having others criticize my beliefs, as long as they actually try to understand them and not purposely misinform others of it.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

As if Kangaroo actually answered or offered any refutation.

He closed his eyes, ignored the evidence and with the wave of a hand made things true. It's magical.

Kim said...

If David Wood was a full time Prophet I wouldnt have a problem... but hes not.. and he misinforms people about Islam as any Islamophobe would do.

Rushing to bad conclusions will show how bigoted one can get.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Kim,

Get over it really your little rants are boring.


Does evidence mean anything to you?

I know you won't answer but just wondering if Santa Clause is foretold in your book?

Rosey said...

Well, that's what happens when you adhere to a "religion" that prohibits you from thinking for yourself, tells you to just declare yourself superior, and commands you to destroy those who confront or criticize or oppose you. Islam demands blind, violent stupidity.

Andish said...

What makes this situation so sad is we use their own sources to prove them wrong. But they're scared David. You have to admit that s religion that promotes so much fear of Allah is bound to cause people to not go against it or leave it.

In the Hadith everything that happens after death is outlined. Seeing your place in Hell every morning and evening until Judgement Day, feeling the gush of fire in your grave, grave shrinking in on you, darkness, pain and torment by the angel, etc.

This stuff would cause anyone to turn a blind eye towards opposition and continue on in ignorance.

But it's even sadder when you realize this isnt the only thing keeping Muslims away. The threat of Hell is supplemented by the threat of fellow Muslims for leaving.

Truly a sad situation.

Zack_Tiang said...

Whatever Prophet Muhammad said, must be true.
Whatever David said, must be false.

Prophet Muhammad spoke against other faiths and gods... Not "annoying other faiths".
David spoke against Islam... "Annoying other faiths".

And for Kim,
Muhammad was a 'full-time prophet' (who also sleeps with countless women, wife or not, raids caravans of other people, trying to kill himself thinking he was demon-possessed, etc)... So it's ok for him to deride other faiths and non-believers.
David is not a 'full-time prophet'.. So it's not ok for him to speak what he understands from the Islamic sources themselves.

Clear fairness. Very clearly fair and logical.

simple_truth said...

Kim said...

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If David Wood was a full time Prophet I wouldnt have a problem... but hes not.. and he misinforms people about Islam as any Islamophobe would do.
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Are you capable of going two sentences without name calling? Like I said in another blog entry, people like you are the ones guilty of what you accuse. You need to objectively examine yourself first, if that is even possible, before you call names.

You are not convincing when you resort to name calling. You indict yourself every time. We can sense that you can't defend the point; so, in exasperation, you deflect the subject away from the topic. Liars often do this too--to avoid dealing with the truth which they bear in their conscience.

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Rushing to bad conclusions will show how bigoted one can get.
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I don't believe that he is; but, let's say that he is. Then, what does that have to say about you who are overly trigger happy to call others names. You need to take a cue from your own statement and obey it yourself. Maybe, just maybe, you could make some sense and stop some of your fallacious argumentation that makes you look like a buffoon. Now, there you have it. I called you a name, except in my case, it is fitting. Unlike you, I did substantiate my reasons for doing it and tried to rationally justify it.

Since David is rushing to bad conclusions, you are even worse by being hypocritical and then pretending to take the high ground. True to the Islamic mentality, you can easily blame others while not blaming yourself. Of course, there is never any blood on your hands. In Islam, a wrong is right when it benefits a Muslim's position. Who cares about honesty, integrity, and truthfulness. No! You only think about that when you assert that a non-Muslim is opposing you.

simple_truth said...

Kangaroo said...

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"annoying other faiths".

Constantly spreading misinformation about them, lying, and constantly deceiving their followers and your own followers about what their religion teaches.

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Since it seems that almost everything a non-Muslim writes or speaks is misinformation, lies, decption, then explain your prophet's claims in the Qu'ran and hadiths that contradict Jewish and Christian literature? It looks like your prophet was the most annoying of them all, judging by your standard. Are you willing to apologize for your prophet annoying Christians and Jews?


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The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spread the message of Islam, which is the Mercy mankind has asked from their Lord. You're arrogant enough to compare yourself to Prophets like Moses (that killed entire populations according to the Bible). They were commanded to spread their faith and preach it. We are also commanded to give Dawah to people, not to annoy them. Which is why compulsion in religion is not tolerated in Islam. An Islamic state won't annoy a peaceful non-Muslim state simply because they are Christians or Jews. But of course you want to misinform your followers to gain more bigots.

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Mercy, in Islam is somthing different than in Christianity and Judaism. In Islam, mercy is not chopping of both arms but only one. That makes it seem so compassiote from a mentally sick person's point of view. How about not killing kuffar but only imprisoning them. That is so compassionate too, isn't it? Mercy seems to be a function of expediency.

The nation of Israel was not commanded to spread religion. They were contained within a tract of land to be separated from everyone else in terms of their laws, customs, etc. The Israelites had a direct communication with God in which God laid out the law to them; so, they didn't have to spread it anywhere but among their own tribes. It is misleading to represent them in that way. They didn't spread religion in the manner of Mohammad.

Mohammad was annoying since he did as you have accused others of doing. Instead of keeping his religion to himself, he publically announced it and then started threatening people to join it or suffer the consequences. He even went as far as planning to attack foreing lands who had nothing to do with him. You do know that there are hadiths that tell of Mohammad writing letters to kings and leaders of surrounding lands to embrace Islam or suffer? That hardly sounds like mercy, and noncompulsion. Can you begin to see how absurd your view is?

Concerning compulsion: what do you call it when non-Muslims are forced to embrace Islam or else become enslaved or die? That is a fundamental example of compulsion. Now who is misrepresenting Islam. As a Muslim, I would also hope that you know that the verse concerning compulsion was before the hijra. Mohammad formed armies, looted, stole, murdered innocents, drove Jews completely out of Arabia all within his last 10 year of his life, which coincidentally concided with the hijra. If Mohammad's first 12 years of prophethood were basically peacefull and noncombative and his last 10 years were nonpeaceful and combative, that tells me that his character changed for the worst and should be critiqued accordingly. Someone who goes from good to bad is not a good person anymore. Now think on that a bit. Mohammad only had peace with non-Muslims once he either subdued them, which took away most of their rights and freedoms to contest him or they were killed for not accepting Islam. When you force your presumed enemies to silence, its hard to not claim peace since your opponents can no longer fight you.

to be continued..............

simple_truth said...

continued............

Kangaroo said...

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We aren't however, taught by the Prophet Muhammad, to be bigoted like you and constantly deceive people about their own religions and misinform them to gain followers.

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You just can't go one post without the name calling. Mohammad is probably the greatest bigot of all times. He couldn't help but be a bigot for spewing all of that Qu'ranic hatred , violence and intolerance towards non-Muslims.

I also find it comical that you would talk about misinforming people about religions. How about those modern westernized Muslims who keep saying their is no compulsion in religion and omit the fact that apostates from Islam should by Islamic law, get the death penalty for their apostasy? What about the great scientific miracles in the Qu'ran? The idea that Muslims follow Jesus teachings while ignoring the fact that not one single sermon of Jesus is included within the Qu'ran or any Islamic literature? Aren't those great examples of misinformation, lies, deceit, and other dishonest means of getting converts?


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"But Kangaroo can't stomach any of this. He believes it's wrong to spend any significant amount of time criticizing other people's beliefs"

I don't have a problem having others criticize my beliefs, as long as they actually try to understand them and not purposely misinform others of it.

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Translation: I have no propblem as long as you agree with my interpretations. Anything different than what I say is misinformation, which means that you truly don't understand.

You have already demonstrated that you don't hold that view at all since you continually claim these same things over and over. We are constantly told that this is a lie, false, crazy, or any other words reflecting misrepresentation of Islam. Notice that this happens with almost everything David and others like me have posted. Now, what are the odds of almost everything stated being wrong? I personally don't buy it. Kangaroo reminds me of that monkey that continually clangs the symbals--you know the cymbal-banging monkey that is about as robotic as Kangaroo is with his less-than-heartfelt responses.

The Berean Search said...

Kangaroo,

Have you ever heard of something called "special pleading"? You might want to look that up so you can understand a little about your illogical arguments and double standards.