Monday, January 30, 2012

Muslim Man Murders Wife for Giving Birth to Another Daughter

And his mother helped plan the murder.

KABUL, Afghanistan–An Afghan woman has been strangled to death, apparently by her husband, who was upset that she gave birth to a second daughter rather than the son he had hoped for, police said Monday.

It was the latest in a series of grisly examples of subjugation of women that have made headlines in Afghanistan in the past few months -- including a 15-year-old tortured and forced into prostitution by in-laws and a female rape victim who was imprisoned for adultery.

The episodes have raised the question of what will happen to the push for women's rights in Afghanistan as the international presence here shrinks along with the military drawdown. NATO forces are scheduled to pull out by the end of 2014.

In the 10 years since the ouster of the Taliban, great strides have been made for women in Afghanistan, with many attending school, working in offices and even sometimes marching in protests. But abuse and repression of women are still common, particularly in rural areas where women are still unlikely to set foot outside of the house without a burqa robe that covers them from head to toe.

The man in the latest case, Sher Mohammad, fled the Khanabad district in Kunduz province last week, about the time a neighbor found his 22-year-old wife dead in their house, said District Police Chief Sufi Habibullah. Medical examiners whom police brought to check the body said she had been strangled, Habibullah said.

The woman, named Estorai, had warned family members that her husband had repeatedly reproached her for giving birth to a daughter rather than a son and had threatened to kill her if it happened again, said Provincial women's affairs chief Nadira Ghya, who traveled to Khanabad to deal with the case. Estorai gave birth to her second daughter between two and three months ago, Ghya said. Officials did not have a family name for either Sher Mohammad or Estorai.

Police took the man's mother into custody because she appears to have collaborated in a plot to kill her daughter-in-law, Habibullah said. Ghya, who visited the man's mother in jail, said that she swears that Estorai committed suicide by hanging. Police said they found no rope and no evidence of hanging from the woman's wounds. (Read more.)

42 comments:

Deleting said...

The post said, "And his mother helped plan the murder."

Ladies and Gentleman...the religion of piece.

Kangaroo said...

In Islam? Oh dear no.

More like, hmm...barbaric culture.

Deleting said...

Wait....wait a second!

This wasn't an honor killing,,,,he was FRAMED!

Yes. Framed. The woman, obviously up to no good, managed to get pregnant and give birth to another girl just to make her husband mad.

And to really drive it home, after she committed suicide by hanging herself, she got up, hid the rope she used to do it, and staged it so it looked like her husband did it!!!

Anderson Cooper and Cooper 360 will be all over this, after they get done kissing Ibraham Cooper's big pimply butt and reporting new evidence showing that the headless corpses of women found in pakistan were never honor killing victims...their heads just fell off!

aussie christian said...

Yet another round of oh its got nothing to do with islam routine, well kangaroo, you guys have a real problem in islam with mass apostacy if this is the case!

Didn't islam promise to end the pre islamic culture? after 1400 years, seems like islam has failed dismally.

saying it over and over, isn't going to make it the truth no matter how much you want it to.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

This was definetly plotted(I see a connection here) by Satan.


A murderer from the beginning.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

I wonder what Osama, the science guy, thinks about this.

Witness said...

Perhaps the man who murdered his wife didn't want another child "deficient" in intelligence and faith.

According to the Al-Bukhari, Hadith 302, Mohammed urged a group of women to give to charity because females comprise the majority of hell's population. When they asked why, he said they were dumber, which is why their testimony is worth half of a man's. He also said because they cannot pray or fast during their menstrual cycle, they were deficient in faith.

What is most odd was Mohammed set the rules around praying and fasting during the menstrual cycle. Therefore, any "deficiency" is his fault.

@ Aussie Christian - thanks for the welcome!

Radical Moderate said...

These people deserve the Taliban

Foolster41 said...

@Ahaz:
One word: "Joooz".

Baron Eddie said...

The man discovered that his wife was the last buddhist in Afghanistan and killed her! ...

Al hamdou llah ... الحمد لله

Now all Afghanistan is Muslims ...

Islam is so a convincing religion that all Afghanistan is converted just like Saudi Arabia ...

One less restroom to build

What a shame ...

search 4 truth said...

IT WAS THE MANS FAULT FOR THE FEMALE CHILD! HE DIDNT LIVE UP> LOL! EVERYONE READ THIS AND YOU WILL GET A GREAT LAUGH!

Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "A group of Jews came to Allah's Prophet and said, `Talk to us about some things we will ask you and which only a Prophet would know.' He said, `Ask me about whatever you wish. However, give your pledge to Allah, similar to the pledge that Ya`qub took from his children, that if I tell you something and you recognize its truth, you will follow me in Islam.' They said, `Agreed.' The Prophet said, `Ask me about whatever you wish.' They said, `Tell us about four matters: 1. What kinds of food did Isra'il prohibit for himself 2. What about the sexual discharge of the woman and the man, and what role does each play in producing male or female offspring 3. Tell us about the condition of the unlettered Prophet during sleep, 4. And who is his Wali (supporter) among the angels' The Prophet took their covenant that they will follow him if he answers these questions, and they agreed. He said, `I ask you by He Who sent down the Tawrah to Musa, do you not know that Isra'il once became very ill When his illness was prolonged, he vowed to Allah that if He cures His illness, he would prohibit the best types of drink and food for himself. Was not the best food to him camel meat and the best drink camel milk' They said, `Yes, by Allah.' The Messenger said, `O Allah, be Witness against them.' The Prophet then said, `I ask you by Allah, other than Whom there is no deity (worthy of worship), Who sent down the Tawrah to Musa, do you not know that man's discharge is thick and white and woman's is yellow and thin If any of these fluids becomes dominant, the offspring will take its sex and resemblance by Allah's leave. Hence, if the man's is more than the woman's, the child will be male, by Allah's leave. If the woman's discharge is more than the man's, then the child will be female, by Allah's leave.' They said, `Yes.'


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Islam is so scientific! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Baron Eddie said...

I bet the West will buiid a slaughterhouses here for them to accommodate our Allies! The Saudis

Yes ... my brain go back to sleep ...

nothing to think about ...

teriadams said...

This comment is completely off-topic. It is a question regarding Islam and Christianity that I have had in my mind for some time and so far haven't found an answer. If there is someplace that this is already explained, please direct me to the right place.

Islamic Law has a death penalty for apostates. The Quran is not entirely clear on the subject, but with the "help" of the hadith it has pretty much always been interpreted this way. A large segment of Muslims believe in the "rightness" of this death penalty to this day.

However, there is also a death penalty for apostasy in the Bible (e.g. Deuteronomy 13:6-9, Deuteronomy 17:3-5). It seems to be very clear, more so than the Quranic passages on the subject. Nevertheless, neither Christians nor Jews are normally carrying out this death penalty. Why is this? Has this death penalty been overturned elsewhere in the Bible? On what theological basis do Christians and Jews allow apostates to live their lives in peace?

Thanks in advance for your assistance in finding an answer to my question.

Baron Eddie said...

Did I tell you about the restroom ordeal?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/congresswomen-find-bathrooms-saudi-defense-ministry/story?id=15443997

After 1000 years from now ...

The archaeologist will discover the ruins of Saudi Defense Ministry
and Muslims will claim that

"Islam is pioneer in unisex restroom!"

and there will be a man named Obama will have a blog for it!

Four congresswomen got an up-close look at gender segregation in Saudi Arabia during a trip to the Middle East earlier this month.

...

here is the news

The congresswomen — Republican Reps. Diane Black of Tennessee, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, Kay Granger of Texas and Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia — traveled there with five congressmen to talk with government officials about how the region assesses the threat of a nuclear Iran.

When the lawmakers asked to use the bathroom after a lengthy visit to the Saudi Defense Ministry, they ran into an unexpected challenge: no women's restroom.

End of report

my comment
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shouldn't be an exclamation mark after "no women's restroom."

aaron said...

@ teriadams

I am more then happy to answer you on this one. alright consider which idols the isrealites will worship. obviously the answer is the ones around worshiped by the caananites, ammonites etc. then we know the one of the most common gods worshipped around at that time was moloch/molek which involved child sacrifices in fire. other gods near their was similiar in nature

here is referance
Leviticus 18:21:

‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

Leviticus 20:2-5:
Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.


let me ask you would you give out a death sentence to those who worhshiped such a god? Those who worhiped murloc pretty much murdered their own children

curly said...

@Aussie Christian,
"Didn't islam promise to end the pre islamic culture?" did it say in Quran? if so, where ? Please I want to see that verse Thank you

simple_truth said...

@ teriadams

Those Deuteronomy passages are not close to comparable to anything in Islam. If you read, for example, the entire chapter of Deu 13, you should easily be able to see that Israel was a nation created by God to be separate from everyone else. They had their own land and were not to impose their laws on any outsiders unless those outsiders came to live within their borders. The various laws were used as a tool to keep Israel separated so that they could remain holy (separated by God) unto God.

Those passages do not talk about apostasy; rather they talk about keeping Israel free from those who try to defile it by getting them (Israelites) to go and serve other gods. Israel had made a oath to God not to serve other gods: so, they were bounded in Covenant with God. That oath was codified within the Ten Commandments.

Apostasy can only occur after one has chosen to deny one's previous allegiance. It is normally a personal choice that one makes upon whatever criteria one chooses and has nothing to do with what Deuteronomy describes. Leading others to worship a different god is certainly not apostasy. Why do people continue to make this mistake? I can only guess that they don't read for context to understand.

aussie christian said...

@Curly. Perhaps a slight mistake in use of words, so I shall refrase to clarify my point.

Muslims constantly tell us that islam will do away with these barbaric pre-islamic cultures. yet after 1400 years, give or take a few decades it seems to have failed.

As those verses you asked for, they have been posted and refuted multiple times, so I really can't be bothered reinventing the wheel every conversation. If someone else wants to play the lets explain it all again feel free, I do not have that kind of patients.

guitarbruce said...

Islam should really try to learn something about science.

The man produces an X and Y sex chromosome determining the gender of his offspring. The woman has 2 X chromosomes. The combination of the man's and the woman's sex chromosomes create either an XY being (male) or an XX being (female).

Therefore, if a guy is producing the determining chromosomes it seems HE would be to blame for not producing Y chromosomes in sufficient quantity to sire a boy.

Perhaps HE needs to 'man up' and not blame it on the woman?

SGM said...

Day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year we see the fruits of Islam. Murder murder murder murder murder. In one form or another. Whether it is murdering apostates or murdering Christians or suicide bombings or even killing their own children.

But wait, this has to be a hoax and CIA is behind it. Ask Osama Abdallah and he will verify it. It seems like CIA is beating Allah all over the world and making Islam look like a religion of Satan. Maybe Allah is plotting and coming up with a new plan how to deceive CIA. But for now, CIA is winning. I am sure though, since Allah is best of deceivers, even better than Satan himself, he will come up with a better plan shortly.

How can such a glorious and noble Quran and Sunna of Mohammad and hadith have no influence on those who follow it that they have to end up with murder. What I don’t understand is, since Mohammad gave specific instructions how to have male child, why is it that all Moslem population is not male (lol).

Osama Abdallah boast so much about the scientific accuracy and how the Quran explains every scientific matter, some times I wonder why is it that all of the modern day scientific discoveries were made by non Moslems without reading the Quran. Is it that we are just as intelligent as Allah? Lol, how many more scientific miracles Moslems are sitting on and withholding the information. Just imagine, how much time and effort and money can be saved if Moslems just disclose the secrets of scientific discoveries that still have to be made by non Moslem.

curly said...

@aussie christian,
Yes, I understand you. I notice Quran refute itself in some way, because some are contradictions. So, I am just ask you if you know where it is that it. If not, don't worry about it, brother

Osama Abdallah said...

"The post said, "And his mother helped plan the murder."

Ladies and Gentleman...the religion of piece."

RESPONSE:

Burrying daughters alive, before the age of 4, was a pagan practice in Arabia before Islam. Apparently, some pagan-want-to-bes from among the "Muslims" still insist on going against Islam!
Now should Islam be responsible for their ignorance and YOUR ignorance? Let's read what the Glorious Quran Said specifically about this:

"*********When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from his people, Because of the bad news He has had! Shall he retain it On (sufferance and) contempt, Or bury it in the dust? *****Ah! what an evil (choice) They decide on! (The Noble Quran, 16:58-59)"

What more could the Glorious Quran have said to make this any clearer?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Osama Abdallah said...

GEEEE, exactly 20 posts of nothing but sheer ignorance about the Glorious Quran, before I posted my previous post.

Why don't you people spend sometime educating yourselves on Islam before you attack it? David Wood posted a post exposing some ignorant turds from our 1.2 billion people out there. Did anyone care to see what the Glorious Quran had to say about it? Or is your hate so great that you just want to spew hate and more hate against Islam, even if it's lies or weak arguments?

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

cornholio said...

Funny how the muslimes spout BS about bigotry against islam, when their quran is full of antisemitic vomit and their hadiths are not only full of antisemitic vomit, but genocidal antisemitic vomit. But maybe it's not funny, maybe it's more like perverse and twisted.

SGM said...

@ Osama,

We do not hate you or any Moslem for that matter. However we do hate Islam and the simple and plain reason for it is that it is an Anti-Christ religion. Any spirit which rejects that Jesus Christ is the son of God is an anti-christ. Just as you hate Christianity which has (according to you) twisted the words of Allah. I would emphasize one thing here. Don’t take “hate” as a negative. We ought to hate all of sin which is a good thing. But our hate should not turn into murder as many Moslems do to Christians or Jews thru out the world. Our hate for Islam is for love for Moslems who are blinded by Satan so that they may turn to Christ.

I agree that at its face value, sura 16:58-59 is against burring your girl child alive and it is a good thing. However, this post if you notice is not regarding killing your girl child but it is instead killing the wife. It is in regards to a human life which is formed after the image of God. It is in regards to woman rights which Islam does not have.

Why such a noble religion with such a perfect sharia law (only according to you) has the entire Moslem world in such a dire situation. With your noble quran and perfect sharia law, Moslem world should be the Disney world of all times. Have you ever been to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia? You talk about the whoredom of the west, you have no idea what these countries are like.

The question is, why in Islam you find so many such incidents day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year. It is one thing to hear here and there an incident taking place, not every day. And there are tons of incidents like this one which miss the radar of media.

Why in Islam you find so may suicide bombers. Why in Islam you find murder of non Moslems? Murder, murder murder murder.

The simple answer which you will not understand is that because it does not have the love of Jesus Christ. It is an Anti-Christ religion. There are many religions besides Islam in this world but I have never seen anyone from any of the religions beside Islam mock the true and Living God of the Bible as you and other Moslems do. May be it is God’s curse that in Islam, murder is such a integral part of it.

May God have mercy on you.

Deleting said...

I'm not even going to bother re-quoting Osama. Nothing could be MORE unclear than that verse. Get off the wacky weed.

teriadams said...

I thank aaron and simple_truth for your replies.

@aaron,

I have no problem with forbidding people to join a religion that practices child sacrifice. I will have to re-read Deuteronomy to see if it looks to me that this is really what they are giving a death penalty for. I don't remember it that way, but it's been awhile.

@simple_truth,

Myself, I don't agree with a death penalty either for apostasy or for leading people to change religion. However, I certainly appreciate the difference between the ancient Hebrews and Islam in that the Hebrews were not out to subjugate the world to their religion.

The death penalty for apostasy, as well as for blasphemy and for leading people away from Islam, are my biggest problems with Islam. I am just trying to understand how those particular issues are the same or different regarding Christianity and/or Judaism. Certainly Christians and Jews today behave totally differently from Muslims on those topics. To fully understand it though, I'd like to have a better grasp of what Christianity and Judaism teach in their holy texts.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Osama is back but I see he still hasn't interacted with anything I have asked him or said about his book .

Hey Osama are you the best Islam has to offer?

aaron said...

@teriadams
you are more then welcomed but i suggest that you read about ancient middle eastern religions of that time and due to levitcus being written around the same time. next came the baal and asherah in time of king david if i remembered correctly they ened up having prostitutes near temples or something. one reason why God was so angry at king ahab

andy bell said...

Do you suppose it would help these neanderthals if someone told them that women have nothing to do with determining the gender of these babies?

Does X and Y chromosomal biology have any resonance with them?

Mitosis, meiosis, all that good stuff?

Okay, okay, allah knows best is good enough for them.

Osama Abdallah said...

"I agree that at its face value, sura 16:58-59 is against burring your girl child alive and it is a good thing. However, this post if you notice is not regarding killing your girl child but it is instead killing the wife."

RESPONSE:

1- "If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell,
to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of God are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him. (The Glorious Quran, 4:93)"

2- "...Do not retain them (your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"

3- "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"

Even the fact that we love shows and proves that existence of Allah Almighty.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Zack_Tiang said...

Teriadams,

just a short note of reminder...

Those 'kill apostates' commands are only for the Israelites.

Keep in mind, when Moses brought the Israelites out of Egypt and before the revealing of the Ten Commandments, the Israelites chose to accept God as their Lord to obey and serve, and they even 'boasted' that they will do undoubtedly.

With that, God made the covenant with the Israelites (followed by the revealing of the Ten Commandments).

And as God describes His relationship with Israel as that of a husband and wife and we know that adultery is punishable by death...
Hence, idolatry and apostasy (the equivalent of adultery) is punishable by death.

Of course, this is applicable to those of the Old Covenant, i.e. Israel.

Zack_Tiang said...

With that in mind... Allah of Islam doesn't consider his relationship with Muslims or Meccans or whoever as that of husband and wife...

So the logical reason for his 'kill apostates' command has got to be that he did so just to instill fear and dominion over his followers.

That's the contrast between YHWH the true God of Israel and Allah the impostor.

aaron said...

@teriadams
forgot to mention that you have to read duetornomy and levitcus at the same time since they were written qoute close to each other historically hence you need to read several of the books to actually get a good idea of how isreal were surrounded people who worshiped by these type of idols

SGM said...

@ Osama,

1. Beat your wives: 4:34, “As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.”
2. Deficient in Intelligence: (Sahih Bukhari 1.301, Sahih Bukhari 2.541). Mohammad said: “I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.”.
3. Two women witness equal to one man. Sahih Bukhari 3.826: “Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
4. Women difficult to straighten, * Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Treat women nicely, for a women is created from a rib, and the most curved portion of the rib is its upper portion, so, if you should try to straighten it, it will break, but if you leave it as it is, it will remain crooked. So treat women nicely." (Sahih Bukhari 4.548, also Muslim)
5. Majority of women go to hell, (Sahih Bukhari 1.28, Sahih Bukhari 2.541)
6. Prayers annulled by women, donkeys or dogs passing in front, * Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that. (Shahih Muslim 1034, Sahih Bukhari 1.490)
7. Women Prohibited from attending mosque.
8. Women should not raise their heads from prostrations till men had sat straight. * Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd: The people used to pray with the Prophet tying their Izars around their necks because of their small sizes and the women were directed that they should not raise their heads from the prostrations till the men had sat straight. (Sahih Bukhari 1.778)

teriadams said...

@aaron and @Zack_Tiang,

Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to my questions. I read all of Deuteronomy last night and, although there are some cheerful moments, it doesn't exactly represent what I like best about Christianity, to say the least.

So if Deuteronomy was the "Old Covenant" and no longer applicable, what is this based on? How have theologians decided that the "Old Covenant" no longer is in effect?

I haven't read Leviticus recently, although I am not sure that doing so would answer my question. I am not so much interested in the contextual justification for these old laws as I am interested in the justification for how Jews and Christians were released from the obligation to follow these laws.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Osama,

Said: "Even the fact that we love shows and proves that existence of Allah Almighty."

Wrong again Osama wrong again it actually proves YHWH since he is love:

I John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."


Hey osama do you love Christians?

Does your book teach you to love your enemies?

Does your book teach you to love unbelievers?



I have been wondering about surah 4:157:


"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain."



Hey osama is your god a magician can he do magic tricks?

aaron said...

@ teriadams
alright let me explain it to you in simplest form. the other guys here know it better then me.

the old testament contains civil laws and moral laws. civil laws are changed over time as you can understand because if i was to apply it now they just be useless.

moral laws remain the same but the punishment changed due to civil laws needed change to fit with society.

for instance we in this age we have laws against phishing and spamming or flaming. civil laws hundreds if not thousands of years cannot be applied.

here is the thing about culture and thing i leanrt from history. those willing to adopt change and have good culture will prosper consistantly till it reaches a point of peak then fall into decadence once if it bad practices are involved. one reason why western world prospered and middle eastern world is in the dumps.the roman empire collapsed due to social structure. thus history is my witness to my claims

SGM said...

@ Osama,

BTW, all three references you gave from Quran, 4:93, 2:231, and 30:21have been abrogated.
These don't apply anymore.
Good try though to defend Islam.
You can try but you cant win against the true and Living God of the Bible.

goethechosemercy said...

Estorai is INNOCENT!

goethechosemercy said...

Quote:
To fully understand it though, I'd like to have a better grasp of what Christianity and Judaism teach in their holy texts.
end

Yes, you should read them.
But you should also understand that in the Israel before the Kings, the Israel of the 12 Tribes 70 Judges, the power of family and informal authority were much greater than that of law.
The Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Laws were made to create something trans-informal, something written, formal and accessible in the way of law.
And law, in time, became supreme over informal authority.
The tradition of the 12 Tribes and before indicated that a father had the power of life and death over a child or wife.
In an Israel and Judah where more formal authority structures prevailed, fathers no longer had the power of life or death over children.
And eventually, where the rule of law was supreme, to murder one's child was and is death.
Now, in the Western world, parents who murder their children are considered parricidal, such crimes are despised.
It didn't get that way over night. We had to have a humanistic law and a rule of law in effect for a long time, with formal authority prevalent and then supreme over informal authority.
So by all means, study the scriptures, but study also, by way of a good Western Civilization text (Jackson J. Spielvogel, please], find out what was going on in the larger world and how the characteristics of these societies influenced each other.

teriadams said...

@aaron,

Thanks again!