Sunday, January 29, 2012

Mordechai Kedar: How to Speak to Muslims

40 comments:

Derek Adams said...

It's an exaggeration to say
Jerusalem been the Jewish capital for 3000 years, you can't refute propaganda with propaganda, it just makes your position look untenable.

And despite many Arabs e-mailing and agreeing with him, the fact is that these Arabs have had years of this media, you can't undo it over all. They are brain washed.

Derek Adams
www.AnsweringAbraham.com

curly said...

Sorry for off from this topic. My good Muslim friend claim something is really puzzle me.
My muslim friend claim that Quran manuscript was found in Turkey, Egypt, and other countries even Russia in early 1st century and second century and still represent the exact Quran today. He said carbon dated and scientifically proven 1st to 2nd century.

Here link: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

Have you heard about it before?

Samatar Mohamed said...

@Curly

If you want to gain an understanding of the preservation of the Quran, there is an exciting debate on whether the Quran was preserved, here is a debate between Bassam Zawadi and Nabeel Qureshi. I especially enjoyed the debate because you learn a lot from the discussion, They are both very intelligent debaters and thinkers, and I personally like the personality of both Bassam and Nabeel. If you have seen the debate then just ignore this, but if not, I highly recommend you watch it. Here is the link:

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWK1xv0Bt-A

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJwGK0vKfA&feature=related

D335 said...

@Curly
just an add.

note that the link typed "first century of hijra", in which the alledged quranic manuscript was found AFTER the beginning of the hijra (muhammad military expansion to Medina) /islamic lunar calendar.


The Hijrah itself began approx in 622 AD (gregorian).

Carbon dating generally use the gregorian calendar of today's standard.

So there's two calendar involved here. Hope that clears a bit of the confusion. Muhammad wasn't even born in the 1st or 2nd century AD.

D335

BOOTA SINGH said...

No, I have never heard of this before even when talking with muslims they never mention this. Nabeel and David Wood them self have many debates with muslims and as far as I recall my memory no one have ever mention these manuscripts from 1st and 2nd hijra (Islamic calendar). I think they are trying to invalidate the Sana scriptures. Slowly muslims are trying their level best to produce all the fake documentations to prove that qur’an is not change. Even their own Islamic history proves that qur’an is not authentic. On the website at the bottom it is written: As a matter of caution, we stress the fact that we are only showing a single leaf of the manuscripts in the cases below. A manuscript may contain additional sūrahs. The reader is advised to go through the references for additional information.
What’s this additional surahs? Sunan ibn majah, book of Nikah; Hadith: 1934-1944:
It was narrated that Aisha said: the verse of stoning and of breast feeding an adult ten time revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the messenger of Allah died, we were pre-occupied with his death and a tame sheep (Goat) came in and ate it. (That brings Qur’an from 40 chapters to 30)
MUHAMMAD FORGETS HIS OWN QUR’AN:
BURKHARI VOL.VI, NO 558: Narrated Aisha: Allah’s apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, “May Allah bestow his mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such and such verses of such and such suras, which I was caused to forget.
BURKHARI VOL, VI, and NO 562: Narrated Aisha: The prophet heard a recite reciting the Qur’an in the mosque on night. The prophet said, “May Allah bestow his mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such and such verses of such and such suras, which I missed.
According to these adathis and narrations this website is not authentic
Peace.

Joe Bradley said...

curly said...

Sorry for off from this topic. My good Muslim friend claim something is really puzzle me.

My muslim friend claim that Quran manuscript was found in Turkey, Egypt, and other countries even Russia in early 1st century and second century and still represent the exact Quran today. He said carbon dated and scientifically proven 1st to 2nd century.

Here link: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

Have you heard about it before?


That's a pretty neat trick Curly. Did they also find John Titor's diagram for his time travel machine?

Muhammad, who is the one to whom Gabriel, allegedly, revealed the Quran (for the very first time), was not born until 570 AD. This would be in the 6th century.

Perhaps John Titor traveled back in time, snatched some Qurans from Muhammad and delivered them, via time travel, to various places just before he came into our present seeking the fabled IBM 5100 computer.

Perhaps your friend should get in touch with George Noory. GREAT FICTION.

Fernando said...

Hi curly... yes... I know thate mithological propaganda... and vthates precisely whate it is: mythological propaganda... take care...

Andish said...

Curly we've heard that argument for many years. And it's been refuted over and over again.

First of all I'm guessing you mean 1st century by 600s, the time of Muhammad. Muhammad was born 500 plus years after the 1st century.

Secondly, you're misunderstanding the corruption claim by nonmuslims. We claim the real corruption happened years after Muhammad's death when men decided to put the Quran together.

There is MUCH evidence for the corruption of the Quran during that time.

Refer to the below links if you're truly interested in seeking the truth.

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

This page has many links to different arguments against the Quran and refutations of Muslims arguments. Instead of posting each link I just gave you the link to the page that has all the links.

All your questions will likely be answered if you visit that page. Muslims are constantly making claims that evidence proves otherwise.

curly said...

To David Wood,
Please answer my question for me.

curly said...

@ Samatar,
I did saw the video few times before, but never watch it. I will love to watch this video. The problem is video do not provide the subtitle for Deaf.

I have a question for you. Do you agree the true that claim from my muslim friend about Quran manuscript was found in 1st and 2nd century?

search 4 truth said...

@ Curly

Ask him to provide the evidence. The Quran was not compiled until after Mohameds death. Whenever a Muslim makes a claim tell them to present the evidence. Its real easy. 99% of what they say is a lie and propaganda!

curly said...

@D355,
I think you are right. My muslim friend do not make clear about which calendar: Islamic or Geogorian... I will check him..

Daniel Bannoura said...

David,

I'm a huge fan of your ministry and blog, but I found this post to be really insensitive and unfair. I'm a Christian Palestinian who loves the Lord yet stands against the Israeli occupation of my people. There are many Palestinian Christians who live in East Jerusalem and who are being discriminated against by the Israeli government.

What Mordechi Kedar says in the video is completely false and racist.

You should not have posted this video on your site especially since its make the words Arab and Muslim synonymous. It's a very dangerous and insensitive reduction.

curly said...

@Everyone,
I tempt I slap my muslim friend's back head. He said it is Islamic calendar. I though it is geogoriaan calendar. LOL

@D355
You are right ! Thank you, brother

Osama Abdallah said...

Israel, the head of the one-eyed Zionists and Satanic anti-Christ empire on earth, and the pornified West will die through mighty and sudden Earthquakes, eventually. See Noble Verses 7:78, 7:91, 7:155, 29:37, 67:16, 51:44, 22:1, 2:214, 99:1, 24:63, 29:37.

The entire Western World is ruled by the ONE-EYE SYSMBOL. Visit this video to see the many churches and government places that have the eye as their symbols: http://www.answeringchristianity.net/one-eyed_dajjal.wmv

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, also said about the one Sign about the anti-Christ that was reserved to him (Muhammad) and only him to foretell:

Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him ***********but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Foolster41 said...

Once again, Osama is simply ranting. He of course leaves out which sects or places the
"eye symbol" is actually found, and none is really indicated in the videos. As usual, he leaves out an important detail to pretend the eye symbol is some kind of foundational part of Christianity, it is not.

In fact, it seems most if not all of the symbols shown are in Europe, and not in the Americas. I don't think I've ever seen the symbol on a mainstream church. I'd like to ask, which churches are the symbol found on? In my research I can't really find much info, but perhapos you know?

The eye is, by many Christians too to be an occultuc symbol (originating with the eye of Horus and associated with the masons/illuminati and the occult.), no eye symbols is mentioned in the bible, and thus it is has no part of real Christianity.

Not only are you off-topic, you are being extremely dishonest as usual Osama.
Shameful.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Osama,

It's interesting because Satan didn't want Christ to die, be buried and resurrected.

Islam says Christ didn't die, was buried or resurrected.


I see a parallel here.


Just wanted to see what Osama thinks about it.

Radical Moderate said...

@Osama Abdulah

Do you go around listing to Rocks and Trees waiting for them to call out to you "There be Jews here come and kill them"?

Osama Abdallah said...

"As usual, he leaves out an important detail to pretend the eye symbol is some kind of foundational part of Christianity, it is not.

In fact, it seems most if not all of the symbols shown are in Europe, and not in the Americas."

RESPONSE:

Have you actually watched the video, or are you BSing everyone here with your lies?!
The one-eyed symbol is all over the USA's government, and is the MOST in the US! It's in the back of the dollar bill (the strongest and most standard currency in the world), and in the US-government's seal and much more!

As to your "Christianity", I never said the one-eyed symbol is part of Christianity. Christians, who follow nothing but corruption, are the servants of the one-eyed anti-Christ. And what is "Christianity" to you anyway? It is nothing but a corrupt and false religion that turned itself into a mat under the feet of the Zionists and Pornography. This is Christianity, and these are your Christians. And your GOP leaders are too scared, and piss in their pants, to even think about saying anything that might even remotely suggest that 9/11 was an Israeli job! They know they'd lose their lives and/or get thrown in jail.

We are the real followers of Christ, peace be upon him! Not your doomed-to-hell pornified infidels and hypocrites.


******************************
WE USED TO LIVE 8 MINUTES FROM THE PENTAGON!


If you have the least brain, you'd know that 9/11 is an inside job! I used to live LITERALLY between 5 to 8 minutes (max!! This is what me and my wife counted while driving) from the Pentagon! There are non-government cameras all over the neighborhood!! One of DC's biggest shopping malls is literally right across the street from the Pentagon!! And there 10s of very expensive condo buildings (a condo is 1/2 million dollars and up there), and many many corporations, including military ones such as Northrop Grumman, Lockheed and others, in the neighborhood with TONS OF SECURITY CAMERAS, and yet, all of the recordings were confiscated by the FBI minutes after the pentagon was hit. WHY???? And the video that they released, not even a 1980s camcorder could produce such CRAPY, BLURED AND FUZZY QUALITY LIKE IT, let alone a year-2000 camcorder. My current $400 camcorder could produce a video that is at least 20 times clearer than the one they released! ARE YOU REALLLYYYYYY THAT STUPID TO NOT SEE IT??? And to add insult upon injury to all Americans, the Zionists made BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM 9/11.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

minoria said...

Hello Curly,

I remember you said you are hard of hearing,in case you have not read them yet here are:

"Transcript: Zayed/Spencer debate on

"Does Islam Guarantee Women Equality of Rights with Men?"


http://frolickyfingers.blogspot.com/2011/08/transcription-islam-guarantees-women.html

Transcript: "Who Killed Muhammad?" by David Wood"

http://frolickyfingers.blogspot.com/2011/11/transcript-who-killed-muhammad-by-david.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Betwixt+%28Betwixt%29

"Transcript: "Does Allah Commit Shirk?" by David Wood"

http://frolickyfingers.blogspot.com/2011/11/transcript-does-allah-commit-shirk-by.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Betwixt+%28Betwixt%29

"Debate Transcript: Spencer/Zayed on "Muhammad Taught that Muslims Must Wage War against and Subjugate Unbelievers" Debate"

http://frolickyfingers.blogspot.com/2011/08/debate-transcript-spencerzayed-on.html

curly said...

@Minora,
Did I said I am hard of hearing before? No, it must be other guy. I did never tell to anyone that I was hard of hearing once in my life. I know I am profound Deaf as same as I know I am male, not female. Dont worry about it.
Hey I really grateful you that you mentioned the transcipt to me. Hey are you make the transcript?

curly said...

@Osama Abdallah,
You are live in Washington DC !?!? which mosque you attend? I live in Maryland. I attend Adam's Center sometime, because they provide Sign Language interpreter You know Adam's Center, correct?

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Osama,

Said: "We are the real followers of Christ, peace be upon him! Not your doomed-to-hell pornified infidels and hypocrites."


If you say so Osama.


by the way how do you know your not gonna end up in Muhammad's sick twisted and insane hallucinations of hell?


Remember this god of yours is the greatest plotter there is so how do you know he's not plotting to send you to hell?

Foolster41 said...

"Have you actually watched the video, or are you BSing everyone here with your lies?! The one-eyed symbol is all over the USA's government, and is the MOST in the US! It's in the back of the dollar bill (the strongest and most standard currency in the world), and in the US-government's seal and much more!"

Yes I have. Lies? BS? I know the Mason groups played a large part in the early US foundation, and I wasn't argueing that at all. Of course, your either misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting what I said. I was talking about CHRISTIAN CHURCHES which you claimed had some allegence to the one-eye cult. I didn't say anything about the US goverment. (See below)

"As to your "Christianity", I never said the one-eyed symbol is part of Christianity."

No, but it was implied. You said:
"The entire Western World is ruled by the ONE-EYE SYSMBOL. Visit this video to see the many churches and government places that have the eye as their symbols"

This implied that the one-eye image was common in Christianity. I pointed out that it was indeed not, lacking from most modern Christian Chruches or doctrine. I pointed out the video lacks any kind of evidence that this is true, and seems a sort of hodge-podge of images.

"Christians, who follow nothing but corruption, are the servants of the one-eyed anti-Christ."
That is Christians who follow the actual tenets of Christianity arn't following true Christianity at all, but following the one-eye. I thought you just said it's not part of Christianity? Your contradicting yourself.
'
In Osama's world, Islam is the true Chriastianity! Jesus claimed to be God, his followers all writing within 20 years of Christ's proported cursifiction all claimed Christ died and rose from the dead, and Christ himself warned of false witnesses, but no! The guy who came 700 years later must be the real contueation of Christ's message! Nevermind that Mohammad was a reprobate compared to the example of Christ who came 700 years before! Black is white! White is black!

"It is nothing but a corrupt and false religion that turned itself into a mat under the feet of the Zionists and Pornography."
You'll have to explain this. What book, chapter and verse allows for, or praises pronography? Otherwise, this is an outright LIE.

"And your GOP leaders are too scared, and piss in their pants, to even think about saying anything that might even remotely suggest that 9/11 was an Israeli job!" (and the rest of your post...)

It was da jooos! You really are an unhinged jew-hater and I pity you.

jonnykzj said...

@Osama Abdallah

LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO WHT IM ABT TO TELL U HERE. The US gov is currently NOT CONTROLLED BY TRUE CHRISTIANS BY ANY MEANS. Infact it has killed many of my true Christian bros n sis who spoke out against the corrupt, evil and Gestapo thugs who curently infiltrate the gov OF THE OTHERWISE GREAT N WONDERFUL NATION OF USA.
NOW with tht said the Illuminati you quote DO POSE AS FAKE CHURCHES AND DO U KNOW WHO THOSE CHURCHES MOSTLY R? THEY'RE LIBERAL CHURCHES N GUESS WHOM THEY PROTECT N PRAISE??? "ISLAM". THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS THESE R THE CHURCHES THT ACTUALLY PROMOTE ISLAM N CONSIDER IT WORTHY AS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM N HAVING BEAUTIFUL MORALS. They're on UR SIDE BUDDY. U shld be thanking them
BUT i guess that's part of their scheme to allow you to critize them so that islam can stand out as the great moral system that can come to save the US by impem,emnting shariah BUT GUESS WHOD BE CONTROLLING THE KHALIFAH BY PROXY? THE SAME THUGGISH GESTAPO ILLUMINATI THT U DESPISE OR CLAIM TO DO SO. WAKE UP!

minoria said...

Hello Curly,

I wasn't 1OO% sure if you had said hard of hearing or deaf,so to be on the safe side I chose the wording "hard of hearing".

And no,I am not the one who wrote the transcripts.But I am glad I found them.

More trascripts

Here is a summary trnascripts,not word for word,of a Licona-Ehrman debate about Jesus and the NT

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/mike-licona-debates-bart-ehrman-on-the-unbelievable-radio-show/

REVIEW SUMMARIES OF DEBATES

They are not word for word but IDEA by IDEA reviews about:

The Licona-Ali Ataie debate on the resurrection of Jesus:

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Ataie/ml_review.htm

About the Wood-Ali Ataie debate:"Who was Mohammed?"

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Ataie/dw_review.htm

Osama Abdallah said...

"@Osama Abdallah,
You are live in Washington DC !?!? which mosque you attend? I live in Maryland. I attend Adam's Center sometime, because they provide Sign Language interpreter You know Adam's Center, correct?"

RESPONSE:

Say to Sheikh Majid, Osama Abdallah the Palestinian, the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran guy (the sky with its hubuk guy), says hi to you.
I used to attend Darul Al-Hijrah. It was much much closer. But I did attend Sheikh Majid's Tuesday night lessons as well and engaged him few times.

I left DC. I am in NY right now.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

HISway said...

The Koran says Israel belongs to the Jews

SGM said...

@ Osama,

“We are the real followers of Christ, peace be upon him! Not your doomed-to-hell pornified infidels and hypocrites.”

Response:

What does it mean to be a follower? You can interpret it in a few ways. It could mean that you follow the teachings of someone and do what they command you to do. Or, you do the things that they did. For example, you carry on a pagan tradition of kissing the black stone because Mohammad did it. Or you can literally follow someone to reach a destination.

Now, for you as a Moslem, you must have to follow Christ per the first two interpretations which I provided above.

It is far from the TRUTH that you are the “real followers of Christ”. Let me put it in plain English, IT IS A LIE THAT YOU ARE THE “REAL FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST”. And there are many reason for this. I will mention a few here.

First of all, you have no teaching or the scripture of Christ. Your Allah failed miserably for not protecting his word and getting it passed on to you. The only scriptures of Christ available to us are the ones found the Bible. And you don’t follow the Bible or the New Testament. Therefore, you fail to follow Christ.

Second, there is no hadith or sunna of Christ. There is no way that you can do what Christ did since we don’t have any history of His life. Again, all we have is the New Testament accounts of Christ’s life. Again, you don’t follow the Bible or the New Testament in specific. Therefore, you fail miserably to be a real follower of Christ.

Can you enlighten us which of his teachings you follow and where do you get these teachings from?

On a side, in another comment you gave the example of our bodies from the Quran to prove God’s existence. I am surprised that you chose this example from the Quran. Briefly, first, our bodies are formed from the sperm that comes from between the backbone and ribs per quran which is completely wrong. Second, per quran the bones are clothed with flesh which is completely wrong. Third, a child resembles his father or mother depending upon who discharges first per Mohammad. If proof of Allah’s existence is this rediculious explanation of the formation of our bodies, then may God help you. Now I know you have your interpretation of every rediculeous thing found in the Quran. My point is, you can believe what ever you want to believe but any one with little bit of common sense can figure out that Quran is not the word of God and Allah is not the true and living GOD and does not exist.

curly said...

@Osama Abdallah,
Actually, Mohammad Majid is not my teacher. He is truly busy. I did see him in far very few times. He and I did not met formally. Dr.Alvi is my teacher. He teach Deaf class every Saturday with sign language interpreter.
Although, when Mohammad Majid and I pass each other, I will stop him and tell him that you tell HI to him for you.

curly said...

@Minora,
Oh I see... no wonder hey thank you again for adding more link.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

It's interesting that Osama has decided not to interact with any of my questions. It's fine his refusal and silence says it all.


If Osama is the best apologist Islam has to offer well it's pretty embarrassing.





YHWH AKBAR.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Osama said: "Say to Sheikh Majid, Osama Abdallah the Palestinian, the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran guy (the sky with its hubuk guy), says hi to you."



Hey Osama where exactly is this place that your prophet claims the sun sets in. I wanna ask the people that Muhammad claims live there how they have been able to survive.


Don't you think Osama that your prophet was extremely delusional?

andy bell said...

So obviously the Al jiz jackwad was lying. Where is Jerusalem mentioned in the scribblings of Muhammad?

It's not.

Foolster41 said...

Psst. Osama, we have the original documents of the bible from HUNDREDS of YEARS BEFORE MOHAMMAD was even born (2nd to 6th century AD), therefore the bible could not have been "corrupted" to something that contradicts the Quoran. It is the other way, the Qoran was written contradicting the bible. To say that Islam is true Christianity is dishonest and completely illogical. That's all I'm going to say unless you can actually bring a decent response instead of repeating the same nonsense over and over again.

Either the New Testiment is true, or the Koran is true, or neither is. It cannot be both.

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Foolster41,

Said: "Either the New Testiment is true, or the Koran is true, or neither is. It cannot be both."


The koran depends on the Bible for its truthfulness.

However, Islam is stuck in a nasty dilemma.

If the Bible is true then Islam if false.

If the Bible is false then Islam if false.

Since the koran says the bible is true the koran
then needs the bible to be true for the koran to be true but the koran contradicts the bible therefore it automatically makes the koran false but if the bible is false then the koran is filled with lies and hence still false.


The koran refutes itself it's pretty embarrasing.


I wonder what Osama thinks about all this.

Foolster41 said...

@Mr. Ahaz:
This is a true point I had forgotten. Your correct, Islam refutes itself!

Hezekiah Ahaz said...

Notice foolster how Osama has fled the scene.

He left without even saying goodbye how rude.

TLAM Strike said...

How to Speak to Muslims; A Practical Guide:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/22799755534e2e0f87cfz.jpg

curly said...

@Daniel Bannoura,
You are christian palestinian! I do not have a christian, palestinian friend. I do want to get touch with you. are you interseting? If yes, i will give you my email address so we can keep in touch