Monday, December 26, 2011

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991

Several people have asked for a hard copy of Sunan Abu Dawud 3991, since Muslims don't want to believe Muhammad actually said that the sun sets in a pool of water. Here's a scan of the page:


The Hadith in question reads:

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

This means, of course, that Muslims aren't allowed to reinterpret the Qur'an's obviously false claim that Dhul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets, and found the sun going down into a pool of muddy water:

Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

For a full discussion of these passages, see my video:



See also Sam Shamoun's article, "Muhammad and the Sun’s Setting Place."

16 comments:

Unknown said...

Thank you so much Dave! You are great!

Zack_Tiang said...

I looked up cmje.org for Sunan Abu Dawud...

ANd I found which book that I would find Number 3990 and so on....

I found Number 3990, at the end of Book 30 (Kitab Al-Huruf wa Al-Qi'raat) here...
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/030-sat.php

Then, in the next book 31 (Kitab Al-Hammam), I found that it starts from Number 3998...
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/031-sat.php

So what happened to Number 3991 to 3997?
I don't know. Maybe that's why they call it "Partial Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud"..
How convenient.

simple_truth said...

I have the complete hadith in electronic form. It's there.

Baron Eddie said...

all kidding aside ...

This could be true since he was levitated! ...

donkey, you said?

hold on let me re-calculate (crrrunch-crrrunch)

It doesn't add up!

What should I do?

Traeh said...

Nice work. Excellent integration of American pop culture into the exposition.

Also the voiceover part, the part where you are talking about Muslims reinterpreting an inconvenient verse, and we hear something like voices of angels rising. Nice.

hugh watt said...

Someone gave me this on a disc but 3991 and others are missing. I looked on the www. but could only find 3991 as part of another e-book.

ചിന്തകന്‍ said...

"I have the complete hadith in electronic form. It's there."

Can u share the address,Is there any eng translation with complete chain of narrators

ചിന്തകന്‍ said...

http://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/abudawood/025_sat.html

This 3991 is in the above website.Can u provide me a site with name of narrators along with hadith

hugh watt said...

ചിന്തകന്‍....

Thanks for the link.

Martin said...

Here is the Arabic for this hadith lest anyone doubt

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&TOCID=1520&BookID=28&PID=3490

It's number 4002 there (just like in the alternative translation of Abu Dawud which Sam Shamoun gave. He should probably add this link to his webpage)

ചിന്തകന്‍ said...

Can u provide me a site with chain of narrators along with hadith

Mustapha said...

Look at the reponse in this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7DluJ5zIaI
If you are smart enough to check his interpretation!

info said...

You can also find the Hadith and its Arabic original version here: https://muflihun.com/abudawood/32/3991

info said...

The same argument was just posted in this islamic forum: https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/42928/how-do-we-reconcile-the-quaran-and-sunan-abu-dawud-with-the-fact-that-the-earth

Unknown said...

great

Unknown said...

Quran in the incident of Zul Qarnain in which it is stated,

حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِنْدَهَا قَوْمًا

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water.2

The word Hamiah literally means dark marsh or mud carrying water beneath which causes the water to appear black.3

The literal meaning cannot be meant as the sun is much bigger than the earth or the ocean.

The verse is a figure of speech to express the setting of the sun according to one’s vision and not according to reality. When one make statements such as “I saw the sun setting behind that building” this is according to one’s vision.

In the same way, Allah Taala illustrates the scene by describing the sun as setting in a muddy spring.4

And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best