Monday, December 26, 2011

James White vs. Abdullah Kunde: "Can God Become a Man?"

Muslim apologists aren't exactly known for their consistency, and Abdullah Kunde is no exception. Watch what happens when Sam Shamoun applies Abdullah's reasoning to Islam:

"Examining More of Abdullah Kunde’s Inconsistencies, Part One"
"Examining More of Abdullah Kunde’s Inconsistencies, Part Two"
"Examining More of Abdullah Kunde’s Inconsistencies, Part Three"
"Examining More of Abdullah Kunde’s Inconsistencies, Part Four"


JESUSsaves&heals said...

trinity is really hard to understand. my brothers and sisters in Christ. try to find out what the original scripture say in matthew 28:19 in particular. I think and I believe this is really where confusion really started.


TRUTH ABOUT TRINITY: Sura 5:110 (Al-Ma’dah,سورة المائد,Table Spread) & Sura 4:171 (Al Nisa, النسآء, The Woman) says that Allah has Spirit and word. This means he is triune God, one true almighty God with three attribute. Trinity is divine, it’s not invented by any human being, and if it was invented by person or church obviously they keep it very simple so everyone can understand. Like there is one Allah and one Messenger, but Trinity is as complex as the nature of God so we can say that it is divine.
Human mind is very limited; no human mind can understand the nature of God. God is supernatural, beyond the understanding of any human mind. So if we say God can’t come in human shape. It means we are limiting the God and that’s blasphemy. In exodus 3:4 we can see that God appear to Prophet Moses in the shape of burning bush. In exodus 6:3 God again appear to Moses and said, “I am the Lord, “I appear to Abraham to Isaac, and to Jacob as almighty God... In the same Sura, Jesus is known as the “Clear Signs” because of his great miracles through them he showed love and mercy to all human kind
As we have witness from the both sources that Jesus is word, clear sign and sprite proceeding from God.
PROPHESIS ABOUT JESUS: Isaiah prophesied about the birth of Jesus Christ 780 years before the actual event happened. In the book of Isaiah 7:14, well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him Immanuel (meaning, “God is with us”).
Mathew 1:23 A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel (which means, “God is with us”).
Isaiah 9:6-7, a child is born to us, a son is given to us, and he will be our ruler. He will be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Prince of Peace. His royal power will continue to grow; his kingdom will always be at peace. He will rule as King David's successor, basing his power on right and justice, from now until the end of time. The Lord Almighty is determined to do all this.
In these verses it is shown the qualities of Jesus, they clearly shows that he is king of kings. He is as promised and prophesied came from the line of David. He is going to judge the world (the day of judgement, آخرت قیامت, Qiyãmah, Doomsday) and his kingdom has no end. These are the qualities of God that was manifested in and through Jesus Christ.
Happy Christmas and happy new year to all of you because Jesus came for every nation: Mathew 28:18-20, Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Lord Jesus, I have just realized that you are almighty God and saviour. Please forgive my sins, because you are the one who is without any sin and have authority to forgive sins. I accept you my Lord and Saviour, Amen.

SGM said...

An excellent debate. Dr. White, as any other Christian would, presented the good news of Salvation to Abdullah Kunde. It can’t get any simpler than this. However, Mr. Kunde rejected the good news and said that he would rather be a Moslem.

When you stand before the judgment throne of God, and God Almighty asks you, “why didn’t you believe in my son when the good news was presented to you? Now that you didn’t believe in my Son, you will spend eternity in hell.” What do you say to something like this. It send shivers in my spine.

I myself am no better then Kunde or any other Moslem. But I thank God for opening my eyes to see the truth and to believe in Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.
My earnest prayer is that God would have mercy on Kunde, Osama Abdullah, Kim and many other Moslems who engage in dialogues with Christians and have been presented with the gospel, and that God would have mercy on them.

All glory and honor and praise be to our Lord, Savior and Redeemer Lord Jesus Christ.

max said...

Did anything get accomplished?> pointless debate. Allah is not the same as my God therefore no matter how long you argue about this the Muslims will not get it until they know the true God, Yahweh. Allah isn't triune. Allah has no son. Allah doesn't love sinners."sura 3v32. Muslims have no fatherly concept of god. Islam is about submission,not fellowship. The koran is book written by a mad teenager. 5 reasons why the koran should be rejected. 1.contradicts authentic scripture,"gain salvation by works not grace.sura 23v102
2.contradicts known facts of science.sura 18v46. 3.contradicts known facts of history,jesus died on a cross. sura4v157 4.internal inconsistency's, sura 10v91-92 5. no good reason to accept it.

andy bell said...

I watched this entire debate. Why is it that every muslim debater is a child in comparison to the christian.

James white is a sincere and knowledgeable person. That was a mass slaughter. James white owned that stage and message. He had a commanding presence on stage. And the ironic thing is that it was James White's faith that was on defense. You couldn't see that from the debate.

Islam is not a "debatable" theology. It's not a religion that asks the believer to do an introspective study on it. This koondy guy, Nadir ahmed, sami zaatar, osama abdullah.........all horrible.

What about those fools in Al-azhar. Is there not one of those "theologians" who could do this?

you're right koondi, Islam is based on certainty. Islam is right and everybody else is wrong. If you challenge that, we're certain to kill you.

D335 said...

I am however glad to see that during the debate Abdullah Kunde is well behaved.

Whatever the result of who's winning what.

Unlike to some other muslims debaters who cannot refrain from "I have exposed you!" or "you are running away" or approaching the opponent desk with intent to humiliate.

In fact I believed that Kunde's acts are fruits of Christianity upbringing.

simple_truth said...

I thought similar when Abdullah Kunde talked about intercession. I immediately remembered a hadith that stated that Mohammad would be an intercessor and that some Muslims who were martyred would also be able to make intercession for some of their relatives. I guess that he didn't think of these examples that contradicted his assertion.

JESUSsaves&heals said...

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Dk said...

There is no clear winner here, they simply define the set of limitations and boundaries that God has differently.

Who can be proven right? Neither of them, empirically .

What ought to be argued is can the Muslim conception of God be proven in the Bible. (Clearly not since the Muslims must admit the Bible is corrupted as a scape goat).

Can the Christian conception of God be proven in the Quran and Sunnah? (A categorical no according to Muslims).

However it has already been demonstrated, there are multiple inferences and indications in the Quran that show 1) Allah is not uni-personal 2) Allah can manifest himself on earth.

Unfortunately the speakers have missed the crux of this debate.

Derek Adams