AFGHANISTAN--A video given to the BBC shows the extent of the injuries suffered by a 15 year-old Afghan child bride who was locked up and tortured by her husband.
The girl was left starving after being detained by him and his family for several months.
The case came to light this week when police rescued the teenager, Sahar Gul, who had been locked up in the basement of her in-laws' house.
Police say that she had had her nails and clumps of hair pulled out.
In addition they say she had chunks of flesh cut out with pliers.
Sahar Gul was married off to a 30-year-old man around seven months ago, when she was just 14 years old. Her parents contacted police after not being able to see her for several months.
She was rescued from a dark, windowless room in her in-laws' house, according to Baghlan police official Jawid Basharat.
In the video, as Sahar is taken to hospital in a wheelchair, she is asked who beat her. She names her father-in-law, her husband, her sister-in-law, her brother-in-law and her mother-in-law. The 15-year-old says her hair and her nails were pulled out by her mother-in-law.
The authorities in the northern Baghlan province said they were aware of reports that the girl was tortured after she refused to be forced into prostitution, but could not confirm that was the case.
Rahima Zarifi, director of the Women's Affairs Department in Baghlan, said Sahar had been severely tortured, both physically and mentally, and that the psychological scars were likely to endure.
The police have managed to arrest Sahar's in-laws, but her husband had already fled.
Women in many parts of Afghanistan continue to suffer domestic abuse, often at the hands of their own family or in-laws. (Read more.)
Friday, December 30, 2011
Afghan Child-Bride Sahar Gul Tortured Mercilessly by Husband and In-Laws
And Muslims keep telling us that the West needs to submit to Islam.
Well because of the child molesting rapist serial killer Mohameds example. This kind of thing will continue in the Islamic world.
Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck , Aisha,"He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'"
Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year we see murder, rape and violence happening in all over Islamic world. And Shariah is going to help us in the west? HELLLLLLOOOOOO.
One thing to notice is that the wife is 15 years of age. I wonder how old was she when she actually got married? If the husband was a devout moslem and following his prophet’s example, he would have married her at the age of 7. My infidel mind can not even fathom how a 50 some year old Mohammad could marry a 7 year old girl.
Please pray for this poor girl and keep in mind that although islam does open the door to spousal abuse, many muslims do not accept it.
Hopefully revealing extreme cases like this one will enable some muslims to understand that spousal abuse should never be accepted. And hopefully some muslims will see that when Muhammad was able to accept that a woman had been beaten until her skin was green, he cannot be a prophet or a role model for any man. Spousal abuse is wrong and there are no such thing as a "light beating". Abuse is abuse.
Religion of peace? Religion of horrors...religion of the devil ... right out of the pit of hell! When will people in the West wake up?
For some reason, afghanis--more specifically, ethnic pashtuns, really love to emulate arab misogyny.
Treating women this horribly only comes from the mecca of misogyny---mecca itself.
I have to do a study and see why it is so prevalent in greater persia--like afghanistan.
"The police have managed to arrest Sahar's in-laws, but her husband had already fled."
He'll probably emigrate to the United States where he will become a card carrying and respected member of CAIR, defending Islam against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Would it be OK and well within the Muslim cultural mores for the 15 year old girl's parents to commit "Honor Slaughter" against all of those in the husbands family who dishonored the child bride and her family through their acts of violence and torture??? Is this a two way street or is this path clearly marked "One Way"?
Is it even possible for a man to dishonor his family, through acts of moral turpitude and spousal violence, to the point where he and/or his accomplices becomes the target of an honor killing or are any and all standards of conduct reserved solely for women??
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
Another reason why we should not be there. Leave this godles people to there Godless God.
"Hopefully revealing extreme cases like this one will enable some muslims to understand that spousal abuse should never be accepted."
This isn't an extreme case.
This and much worse is done daily by muslims.
I am grieve for her. I am very against the domestic abuse. Domestic abuse is just not necessary and completely animal mind!
The West will never wake up. It's gone to sleep. It is now so guilt-ridden at its own past and colonialism that it refuses to apply the same standards of ethics and criticism to the non-West. Everything non-Western is therefore de facto wonderful and the Islamoids are laughing their bearded paedophile arses off as they continue to rape the West's minds, societies and economies.
Those in the West who stand up to the tyranny of the bearded fuckwits are shouted down as "racists". Oh the irony. Those shouting "racist" and "Islamophobe" are the worst of the worst, refusing to apply the standards of behaviour they set themsevles to the muslims paedos - a blatant act of racism itself.
There was a time when the West stood for something and KNEW what it stood for. But now... Only moral cowardice and ethical bankruptcy.
Bring on Russia, China, India and Israel. They shall fight when the West has surrendered.
Osama, Samatar and Kim running to say 'This has nothing to do with Islam...." coming in Five, Four, Three.....
Where are the feminist? Where is the media? Where are the liberals? Where are alll those to tell me that all culures and religons are of equal value? But most of all where are the rhe REAL MUSLIMS who speak our against these horrible acts?
It never ceases to amaze me that so many self-anointed authorities on Islam and the Quran claim that others with opposing viewpoints are merely uneducated when, in fact, it is these self-styled authorities who are the ones who know nothing about their own religion. Arwa Akram, you are a typical example of that of which I speak.
You state, "Nowhere in the Quran does it give anyone the permission to beat their wives . . .". This is a demonstration of your ignorance when it comes to the Quran.
Here are many thousand of articles from which to choose. Perhaps you should educate yourself in the ways of Islam and the Quran before you make such ridiculous statements.
Arwar Akram wrote...
"I just read your column about jihad and women and need I say, not a single word in it is correct. Have you ever read the Quran and actually tried to understand it? Nowhere in the Quran does it give anyone the permission to beat their wives…"
Avwar have you ever read the quran? Because if you have you would never of said such a foolish and dishonest thing that "Nowhere in the Quran does it give anyone the permission to beat their wives…"
READ SURAH 4:34
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
That is the Sahih International version.
Now can you find a single Quran that has a different reading?
"I just read your column about jihad and women and need I say, not a single word in it is correct. Have you ever read the Quran and actually tried to understand it? Nowhere in the Quran does it give anyone the permission to beat their wives… "
Yes, islam does permit wife beating. See Quoran 4:34.
You obviously don't know your own holy book very well.
"If you don’t believe in the Quran, find me a book like it. Or find a mistake in the Quran. "
The Quran has numerous mistakes. For one thing, Jews don't believe that Ezra was the son of God.
More can be found at this link.
Arwa said, " Nowhere in the Quran does it give anyone the permission to beat their wives… Islam is the religion that gives the most rights to women compared to any other religion in this world. If you don’t believe in the Quran, find me a book like it. Or find a mistake in the Quran."
David I just want to clarify. Arwa means the westernize version of the Quran that omits the violent verses and tries to make Allah sound more like Yahweh.
I think it's Yusuf ali's but who can be sure? It's probably the same one that changed the arabic renderings to sound nicer too.
Arwar Akram wrote: “If you don’t believe in the Quran, find me a book like it.”
Arwa Akram said...
"I stick by my statement that Islam doesn't allow beating of one's wife.
It's the translation of the words from Arabic that causes confusion and mishap. As here, the word in question in 4:34 is "idriboo" / ٱضْرِبُو for which the Arabic root is Dad-Ra-Ba (ض ر ب)."
Too bad that the world of Islam is ignoring you. That story and $6 will buy you a latte at Starbucks.
I guess Mohamed should have consulted you first!
Muslim (4:2127) - Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
Look like we have the latest Prophet of Islam bringing a new message and sunna! Prophet Arwa (PBUH)
Hahaha Joe. Okay, sure!
Thanks for letting me know that I am wasting my time here.
I have a question...why is it that when a Muslim is found guilty of some gross sin its thought that his religion taught him this but when a Christian does somthing it said that "well he's not a real Christian."?
arwa said, 'There is no 'version' of the Quran. It's the same since it's beginning..I am not talking about any 'western' version. And I do know my book and religion.'
First, Arwa, I said 'western' version because the Quran seems to morph every few tafsirs to be more palatable. Yusuf Ali is a prime example except he goes one set further in 5:73 when he translates the arabic word for 'three' into 'trinity'.
I stand by what I said.
Now, on with the refutation:
You fail miserably on the hadiths and quran so it's like you don't know it at all.
Sahih Bukihari 61.6.510- Uthman sent to every muslim one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all other Qua-ranic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.
Sahih bukihari 6.61.521 I heard the prophet saying 'Learn the Quran four: Abullah Ibn Masud, Salim, Mu'adh and Ubai bin Ka'b."
But your Quran, you know, the one you said was 'the original from the beginning', is not the same Quran that Masud had. He refused to give up his own copy of the Quran.
I think YOU need to do a little more research about your Quran and religion before you come on here and pop off such nonsense.
All you've done is post a few arabic words here and there and links to websites. I actually gave you the references in the post.
You don't know your Quran. You don't know your hadiths. You don't know your religion.
Arwa Akram said...
"Hahaha Joe. Okay, sure!
Thanks for letting me know that I am wasting my time here."
I would say that "spitting into the wind" is a, more appropriate, analogy.
Continue your "rage against the machine" with your espousal of your beliefs that your Islamic brethren are wrong in their interpretation of the Quran. Meanwhile, they will continue their abominations against your lone interpretation.
If you haven't already noticed, they are not listening to you.
So according to Arwa Akram Quran 4:34 says the following: If a husband fears disobedience from his wife(s), he must do the following:
a. Advise her
b. Forsake her in bed
c. Clap his hands
I have heard Muslims say beat them lightly or beat them with a feather or toothbrush, but not clap your hands. After advising and forsaking her in bed, she continues to disobey, so clap your hands. Arwa, you really are a class act.
Arwa, with your interpretation, you have publicly disagreed with/condemned Muhammad for smacking baby Aisha on the chest—isn’t that an unforgivable sin in Islam?
@Search 4 Truth good response!
@ h.e.c. and Arwa
Arwa of course you are wasting your time here. Unless of course you want to come to terms with reality and facts. And If you expect to get away with deception or ignorance you are wasting your time. We confront the facts objectively. Read the evidence below. It clearly refutes your unsubstantiated attempts at apologetics.
h.e.c., What in particular are you speaking? You can find justification for beating your wife in the Quran, Hadith and even the scholars agree.
Also if a Christian kills in the name of Christ, he is directly contradicting the actions and teachings of Jesus Christ.
If a Muslim kills in the name of Allah he is following the direct commands of Allah and the actions and teachings of Mohamed! It's called context.
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..."
Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
Discipline. The husband has the right to discipline his wife if she disobeys him in something good, not if she disobeys him in something sinful, because Allaah has enjoined disciplining women by forsaking them in bed and by hitting them, when they do not obey. The Hanafis mentioned four situations in which a husband is permitted to discipline his wife by hitting her. These are: not adorning herself when he wants her to; not responding when he calls her to bed and she is taahirah (pure, i.e., not menstruating); not praying; and going out of the house without his permission.
What are the rights of the husband and what are the rights of the wife?
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 10680
So the wife should be admonished first, and warned against defiance (nushooz) and of the anger of Allaah and the curse of the angels. If she does not respond, then the husband should forsake her in her bed, and if she does not respond to that, then he may hit her in a manner that does not cause injury. If none of these steps are effective, then he may stop spending on her maintenance and clothing, and he has the right to divorce her or to allow her to separate from him by khula’ in return for some financial settlement, such as giving up the mahr.
Similarly a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah.
And Allaah knows best.
Husband forcing his wife to have intercourse
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 33597
You cited NO sources, no evidence to support your preposerious claims and yet...I'm ignorant?
Your diatribe on the transmission history of the Quran is meaningless because you can't support it.
As for changing it, i don't think you've looked at Yusuf Ali. Look at his Tafsir and look at something like Pickthalls. They say different things. That is a documented fact (S. 5:73-75).
I gave you sahih Al Buhkari. Do you know what 'sahih' means? Probably not. It means it's been 'approved' or 'authentic' by your islamic sources, or do you think you know better than them?
You probably do think you know more than them. You're probably in your late teens or early twenties.
You can write well, but you don't test well so you still get a big fat 'F'...for failure.
Don't lecture me on the Quran. GO BACK AND READ IT YOURSELF AND NOT JUST THE FLUFF APOLOGISTS HAVE WRITTEN TO MAKE IT SOUND NICE.
Or do us all a favor and don't waste our time posting. Me, I'm small potatoes, but someone like Sam Shamoun, Nakdimon, Search 4 Truth will eat you up and spit you out.
S4truth already is.
Unfortunately we have all heard these ridiculous and fallacious assertions and presuppositions before. And they have all been refuted right here.
Your a little late to the party, well actually really late. You can find all the evidence that refutes every single one of your logical fallacies and presuppositions here on this blog.
The Quran is an absolute joke as far as science goes. Go look up the sun sets in a murky pond. embryology, the earth is flat. You can post the search right here.
Your just rehashing old arguments that Muslims have tried to use before. And all have failed. It's funny as soon as a new Muslim comes we have to go over everything again. But i guess that is part of our duty!
Now please bring your best argument! Pick any topic. But sight your sources and the evidence. I could say there are pink monkeys living on the moon, that would not make it so!
I presume you now understand that spousal abuse is enshrined in the Islamic theology. If you condemn wife beating, you condemn Mohammad who beat his child bride.
With respect to the preservation of the Quran, as Deleting said, your arguments are simply assertions without references. Please watch this entertaining short video clip; it gives chapter and verse from Islamic sources for every claim they make. Uthman had alternative versions of the Quran burned. Two chapters of the Quran are missing because Muslims forgot them (Al Muslim 2286). Aisha’s sheep ate a few verses of the Quran, etc.
I'm starting to think this woman Arwar has been beatin by her husband to many times. She is suffering from some serious brain damange.
She's punch drunk.
Why didnt Mohamed condemn this man beating his wife until her skin turned as green as her hijab or Niqab? He didnt say a word. He just sent her home with the man that was abusing her.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
There are several things that are alarming here. Aisha admits that Muslim women are suffering more than any woman she has ever encountered. And Mohamed says that the woman has to sleep with this man in order to go back to her first husband. Which is sick in and of itself. And then Mohamed looks at a couple of other kids and makes the assumption that because he has other children, that he must not be impotent. But does not take into consideration that he could have become impotent after the birth of the two boys who are from another wife.
Ok now either you will answer all of the evidence I have produced in my postings, or you can use logical fallacies, fallacious assertions, or presuppositions!
Arwa wrote: “Ever read the Quran itself? Not just mere translations written by some idiots.”
On quran.com they have translations by Sahih International, Muhsin Khan, Pckthall, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, and Dr. Ghali. So, according to Arwa these Muslim scholars are idiots! Do you have any particular reason to call your co-religionists and Islamic scholars idiots?
Arwa seems to be in stage zero: clueless about Jihad and the Islamic doctrines regarding wife beating, multiple version of the Quran, etc.
Arwar writes in a previous post.
"It's the translation of the words from Arabic that causes confusion and mishap"
Then again she writes...
"Ever read the Quran itself? Not just mere translations written by some idiots."
So what does she then do, she goes to those Translations that casue confusion, translations written by idiots to some how prove the Quran.
Yeah this woman is definitly punch druk.
@ Arwa Akram,
Moslems from last 16 centuries have been claiming that the Quran is the word of God. You state that, “There are different ways to prove that the Qur'an is the word of God, which has always been true and has never been subjected to change or distortion.”
There is plenty of evidence and it has been proven over and over again that it is not word of God. Now the fact that whether it has been changed or not is not the primary issue with me. The primary issue for me is, whether it is the word of God or not. Just because it is never changed does not make it God’s word, though there is plenty of evidence that it is changed. There are books that are more ancient then the Quran and has never been changed, but that does not make them God’s word.
To give you a glimpse of what Quran is, just in case you never noticed before. It is the only book in the world that has its beginning in the end the end in the beginning. It is such a hodgepodge of different verses put together that leaves a reader (other then a Moslem) more confused then he first starts to read it. No wonder no one can produce a book like this since any one with a little bit of common sense will write a book in harmony and keeping things in context.
Then it is the only book in the world that has moral and social deficiencies. E.g., it degrades women. It degrades non Moslems. It allows adultery. It makes scientific errors. Most of all, it makes God a sinner by making him the best of deceivers. I can provide you evidence from the quran if you would like.
As @Search 4 Truth said, it is our part of our duty to show you the truth.
You are obviously copying and pasting material from http://www.islamology.com/Overview/Science/Embroyology.htm
I did not see you referencing the source. Copying and pasting without providing reference is called plagiarism.
At any rate, try to address one or two issues at a time rather than spamming by copying and pasting entire websites.
I just noticed that Arwa’s January 2, 2012 2:06 PM post is also plagiarized from Islamic websites. I am not providing the websites, you can just copy and paste her writings into google and it will pull up the sources.
It is okay if you choose to copy and paste, but please provide references so you are not claiming credit for someone else’s work.
"And, the translations I provided do not have the same controversial value as the one we previously discussed did. "
Since you did not site on who are the "idiot" translators that you use. Could you tell us who they are so we can check how they tranlsate the wife beating verses?
GEE! What happened to Arwa???
It appears as if she took her posts and stomped off in a huff.
Arwa, wherever you are, just a word of advice . . . if you plan to make a career of being a Muslim apologist, you had better grow a VERY thick skin. As you have discovered, you will have to lie, sell out your dignity and, in the process, you will be made to look like a fool, all in an attempt to spare any leftover crumbs of integrity that Muslims regularly strips from themselves in the practice of their religion.
After your attempts to defend Islam, you should get used to slinking off into the darkness and dressing your wounds by candle light after a thorough trouncing by those who can read and think for themselves, independent of an Imam or Mullah.
The only "less thankful" job than being a Muslim apologist is being a crash test dummy on a cruise missile. Your choice - your life.
I guess Arwa decided to be like his prophet and run away because he didn't have the upper hand because he has single-handedly with the exception of just one, deleted all his posts and arguments.
normally I wouldn't care but people will do that on youtube all the time-pick a fight, get into a conversation and then delete all their posts so it leaves the readers withonly one side of the argument.
David you might want to watch for this guy and see if he does it anymore.
you know what's funny.....i posted my comment and then it went live on the comments blog.
I didn't like what I wrote and i wanted to redact it and do another post but I couldn't delete my comment! The stupid little trash icon wouldn't pop up.
But Arwa can come on, post her slop (and that's all it was was slop...although well written but she took it from someone else so it was their well-written slop from a standpoint of weak arguments)
But then she doesn't like the static and search for truth's tenacity and cuts out before the others could come and join in and DELETES HER COMMENTS EXCEPT FOR ONE.
I am sooooo far from special it ain't even funny.
I'm even further from intelligence but I can't help but think YHWH used a simple person like me to highlight someone's error and character flaw.
If so I was glad to be used of YHWH in whatever capacity.
excuse me but are any of you actually muslim? no. do any of you speak arabic and english fluently enough to translate the words you are using? no. do any of you know enough quran and hadith that you can see that hadiths arent used individually, but in collaboration, so if one says to discipline your wife, the next says your in big trouble if you abuse her. no. is this comment going to be deleted by the blogger so nobody can read this? YES.
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