Thursday, November 3, 2011

Swiss MP Oskar Freysinger Has Had Enough

83 comments:

D335 said...

very spirited speech.

If he resort to non-violence way, I wish he replaced Obama.

Mike A Robinson said...

Wow so much truth in one section of one speech-–he even used Kosovo and the Arab Spring in his argument against the rise of Islam in Europe. The answer for Europe is: turn to Christ and increase the European birth rate, or Islam will overtake it piece by piece.

simple_truth said...

That is my kind of guy! He's forceful in his speech and thoughtful in his delivery. He is spot on.

People who don't see what Islam does and is doing wherever it goes are either blind due to ignorance or just content with allowing their freedoms to be taken away by thinking that whatever problems exist with Islam and Muslims won't get any worse or won't erode society if unchallenged. They think that it's not that big of a deal until it is either too late or severe damage has been done that makes it very difficult to reverse it.

Honestly, I don't even think that Most Muslims in the West see what damage their religion is causing the world at large. I think that they think that it is something other than Islam that is the cause. Muslims are very reluctant to blame their own ideologies and people for the damages. That is because a great number of them have this "us vs. them" mentality encouraged by their prophet where everything becomes justified by the bad deeds of others or other ideologies.

I say, down with Islam. Christ will be the final judge against it and the unrepentant people who belong to that ideology. I can only pray that many of them wake up and smell the coffee and stop trying to justify their prophet and the bad role model he represents as something good for mankind: it is not!

John 8:24 said...

David,

You made a typo - its Swiss MP and not Swiss PM.

By the way, its a good video that shows that politicians are standing up in Europe, in spite of opposition, against growing Islamization. I hope politicians in other countries will wake up before it is too late!

goethechosemercy said...

The Occidental World is a small minority of people, a small part of the earth.
The Orient is a great, anti-individualistic, anti-humanistic monster.
The importation of so much that is not Western into the West will very likely have the effect of destroying the West as a culture, civilization and as a sensibility.
We either preserve it individually and informally or we WILL lose it.

andy bell said...

This man is obviously a nazi and a racist. For him to reject the beauty of islam, is just plain wrong. He should cut his hair and wear a pillbox hat, start brushing his teeth with a siwak stick, and hate jews.

The future of humanity is to live like a 7th century illiterate arab. That is the best way.

Rale said...

I live in Germany and can tell you that this guy is representing a minority of politicians that no one is paying attention to.

cheryl_maree said...

You go Oskar, I feel exactly the same!!!

jonnykzj said...

@ALL CHRISIANS

IM REALLY STUNNED AT WHT HAPPENED TO ME TONIGHT(i live in germany). Cant say anything for sure but this seems fascinating. I just wanted to give reading the Gospel of John a try. As i started IMMEDIATELY MY OXYTOCIN LEVELS STARTED RUSHING BUT NOT JUST CONTINOUSLY BUT IN DESCRETE "PACKETS". As one verse ended, it came down, THEN UP AGAIN, n so on UNTIL IT PEAKED WITH A CERTAIN VERSE IN THE MIDDLE.
WHT MAKES THIS SO SIGNIFICANT FOR ME IS THE FACT THT IM STRONGLY ANTI-TRINITY. Infact tht was the real, THE BIG, issue i have/had with Christianity. Right now i dont know wht to make of this.
Could some of u Christians read that Gospel and perhaps state at which verse you're feelings peaked(only read John 1) sending me the verse no at my email jonnykzjAThotmail.com?

John 8:24 said...

A tale of havoc & terror - timeline of Muhammad cartoons:

http://goo.gl/B1ks5

DeanO said...

Great video - and great truth

WhatsUpDoc said...

Maybe there is some hope for the people of Europe.

Radical Moderate said...

AHHHHHH, it sounds so beutiful in the orignal GERMAN.

Kim said...

Heil Hitler........?

Deleting said...

Johnny I'm not sure what your asking.
Are you asking us about what feelings we get when we read the gospel of John?

D335 said...

@JohnyKZJ


MY OXYTOCIN LEVELS STARTED RUSHING BUT NOT JUST CONTINOUSLY BUT IN DESCRETE "PACKETS"

hmm, Johny, do you understand what oxytocin does?
I regularly use it in the form of syntocinon injection to begin uterine contraction for labor induction and also for post-partum mothers therefor stop the bleeding and begin the lactation (breastfeeding) period.

In anyway, whatever you feel I'm grateful to you ^^.


D335
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On the subject of Trinity:
I'd like you to read this, since you have no problem with reading the bible.

The Baptism of Jesus

Matthew 3:13-17
13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said,
***“This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” ***

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valentin said...

@KIM, shut up. Direct your sympathy towards those that are deserving.

The Purple Marquise said...

@Jonnykjz: My friend, the Bible is not a mood enhancing drug! By the way oxitocin is a hormone which is released in a pregnant woman's body in order to give her contraction right before she gives birth.

There is a synthetic form of it also available which the doctors inject into a pregnant woman in order to induce and hasten the birth of her child. I actually got a heavy dose of it before I gave birth to my daughter and my friend let me assure you, you don't want oxitocin released in your body! IT IS PAINFUL!!!!!

Now I don't know what does all of this have to do with the Gospel of John!!! Could you elaborate?

Deleting said...

Yeah D335, excellent point.
Johnny, we're commanded to be viligent and sober-minded. Oxy is drug so why would you get a high off of reading a verse?
To us, the words of God are precious. They have depth and meaning.
I can be excited about a verse in the bible but usually those are about salvation like Hebrews 9:15.

jonnykzj said...

@All who answered me

The body produces NATURAL drugs inside the brain. EVEN if one is in love it has been shown tht the levels of various hormones are high. "oxytocin" is also known as "love hormone" and is produced in the brin NATURALLY BY BOTH MEN N WOMEN. The one you were talking about "d335" is ARTIFICIAL one.
I quote from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
"Recent studies have begun to investigate oxytocin's role in various behaviors, including orgasm, social recognition, pair bonding, anxiety, and maternal behaviors.[1] For this reason, it is sometimes referred to as the "love hormone". The inability to secrete oxytocin and feel empathy is linked to sociopathy, psychopathy, narcissism and general manipulativeness."
"Oxytocin evokes feelings of contentment, reductions in anxiety, and feelings of calmness and security around the mate."
"Many studies have already shown a correlation of oxytocin with human bonding, increases in trust, and decreases in fear. "
read also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin#Neural_sources

jonnykzj said...

@Deleting

I want to know if you start getting a warm feleling and/or excitement inside of u running down ur spine into ur whole body WHILST READING JOHN CHAPTER 1. N SPECIFICALLY INFORM ME AT WHICH OF THE VERSES THE FEELING WAS HIGHEST. Thnks.

jonnykzj said...

@D335

"hmm, Johny, do you understand what oxytocin does?"

JK- Yes i do n now i hope uve learnedmore abt it too n tht i was talking abt natural oxy produced in th brain.

"I regularly use it in the form of syntocinon injection to begin uterine contraction for labor induction and also for post-partum mothers therefor stop the bleeding and begin the lactation (breastfeeding) period."

JK- Thts the common use most ppl know it by N ALSO this is artificial oxy. Go through my other post to see what else it does.

"In anyway, whatever you feel I'm grateful to you ^^."

JK- What do you feel when reading John 1 AND AT WHICH VERSE DO UR FEELINGS PEAK? thnks

"On the subject of Trinity:
I'd like you to read this, since you have no problem with reading the bible.

The Baptism of Jesus

Matthew 3:13-17
13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said,
***“This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” ***"

JK- Ok i went though it. Didnt have the effect on me tht John 1 had but surely portrys siialrities n adds on some detail. maybe if i read it from the start itd resonate with my brain as well.
AS FOR THE TRINITY John 1 gave me a good picture of it.
BUT I WANNA ASK U SOMETHING. Wht abt the HAND/HANDS OF GOD? Surely we can agree they're not separate from Him either. SO WHY is His hand not claimed to be another Person of His? thanks.

jonnykzj said...

@The Purple Marquise

"@Jonnykjz: My friend, the Bible is not a mood enhancing drug! By the way oxitocin is a hormone which is released in a pregnant woman's body in order to give her contraction right before she gives birth."

JK- Plz read my post above to all who replied to me with quotes where i give quotes whoing Oxy is produced naturally as well in the brain by BOTH men n women. the role u mention is wht ppl commonly known. other than tht it is also known as the "LOVE hormone".
NOW WITH THT said God has created everything in a systematic manner which means everything inc attributes like mercy, love, anger result from a system which happens to be the central nervous system.
IF THIS REOSNATES whilst reading the Bible more thn any other scripture claimed to be of God id say it sure is signficant n adds on to other evidence like the numerical one pted out be me earlier

"There is a synthetic form of it also available which the doctors inject into a pregnant woman in order to induce and hasten the birth of her child. I actually got a heavy dose of it before I gave birth to my daughter and my friend let me assure you, you don't want oxitocin released in your body! IT IS PAINFUL!!!!!"

JK- I know thts the use for which it's most commonly known.

"Now I don't know what does all of this have to do with the Gospel of John!!! Could you elaborate?"

JK- Read John Chapter one n tell me at which verse did ur emotions PEAK, IF THEY DID. thnks

jonnykzj said...

@Deleting

"Yeah D335, excellent point.
Johnny, we're commanded to be viligent and sober-minded. Oxy is drug so why would you get a high off of reading a verse?"

JK- I hope now tht u read my post above u understand tht OXY IS NATURALLY PRODUCED BY ALL OF OUR BRAINS AS WELL. Wht ur talking abt is artifial drugs administered in high quantities from outside for extended pleasure

"To us, the words of God are precious. They have depth and meaning.
I can be excited about a verse in the bible but usually those are about salvation like Hebrews 9:15."

JK- Aha wld u be so kind n read John 1 n tell me at which verse ur emotions peaked, if they do? thnks

Rale said...

@Johny

Read also how the Lord appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18, 1-14:

And the LORD appeared to him in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 2 And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him THREE men standing near to him: and as soon as he saw them, he ran to meet THEM from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground. 3 And he said: LORD, if I have found favour in your sight, pass not away from your servant. 4 But I will fetch a little water, and you wash your feet and rest under the tree. 5 And I will set a morsel of bread, and you strengthen your heart, afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant. And they said: Do as you have spoken. 6 Abraham made haste into the tent to Sara, and said to her: Make haste, temper together three measures of flour, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7 And he himself ran to the herd, and took from thence a calf, very tender and very good, and gave it to a young man, who made haste and boiled it. 8 He took also butter and milk, and the calf which he had boiled, and set before them: but he stood by them under the tree.
9 And when they had eaten, THEY said to him: Where is Sara your wife? He answered: Lo she is in the tent. 10 And HE said to him: I will return and come to you at this time, life accompanying, and Sara, your wife, shall have a son. Which when Sara heard, she laughed behind the door of the tent. 11 Now they were both old, and far advanced in years, and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women. 12 And she laughed secretly, saying: After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man, shall I give myself to pleasure? 13 And the LORD said to Abraham: Why did Sara laugh, saying: Shall I, who am an old woman, bear a child indeed? 14 Is there anything hard to God? According to appointment I will return to you at this same time, life accompanying, and Sara shall have a son. 15 Sara denied, saying: I did not laugh: for she was afraid. But the Lord said: Nay; but you did laugh.


Notice here the alternance between singular and plural, between one and three. Since you live in Germany too, check out the German version coz the pronouns for the singular and the plural of the second person are not the same:

http://www.bibleserver.com/ref/1018001#/text/LUT/1.Mose18

BTW, the prologue in John 1 is indeed one of the most beautiful passages of the Bible.

Rale said...

@Johhny

I've just read it in the original language, and it seems to me that the two first verses, then:

14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

18 No man has seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

had a slight emotional effect on me and stand apart form the rest of this overall wonderful passage.

Neverthelles, this is very subjective since you've just told us about your experience. I think that this emotional aspect doesn't prove anything at all. The two verses I've pointed out to are, however, very significant.

D335 said...

@JohnyKZJ

JK - IM REALLY STUNNED AT WHT HAPPENED TO ME TONIGHT(i live in germany). Cant say anything for sure but this seems fascinating. I just wanted to give reading the Gospel of John a try. As i started IMMEDIATELY MY OXYTOCIN LEVELS STARTED RUSHING BUT NOT JUST CONTINOUSLY BUT IN DESCRETE "PACKETS".

D335- oh wow, you telling that you get an erection reading John 1.
***head on the table***
and of course you are equipped with hormone blood immunoassay test next to you at all times. Wonderful.
***bang the table - oooh, braincells !***
and of course you could refer to endorphine, but no, you refer to oxytocin.

whoah-Kay....

let's go back to John 1.
What was that makes you "dripping oxytocin all over"?

The Purple Marquise said...

Jonnykzj,

So you basically mean that the Gospel of John's beginning excites you and raise you hair. That's nice. I love when John writes "And the Word became flesh, and [k]dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of [l]the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. " That's verse 14.

But in general just relying on some random feelings of butterflies in the stomach or raising hair is not necessarily the best way to discern the truth.

I think you come to your reading of the Bible a bit with some Islamic presuppositions in your mind like "a scripture should be miraculous"! We don't believe in that. Unlike Muhammed, Christ had real miracles like healing the blind raising the dead and most important of all himself rising from the dead! Christianity's central miracle IS the resurrection!!

Now Bible is all fine and good and we read it to learn about the resurrection and all manners of wisdom and guidance and an insight into the nature of God. But we don't expect it to be miraculous in the way that Muslims claim the Quran is. We also don't claim as the Muslims do about Quran that our Bible is somehow especially eloquent and poetic.

Without doubt Bible can be really moving and touching often, but that's not what we rely on to show its divine origins.

I am really really happy that you are taking time to read the Bible. But I suggest while you read concentrate on the content and getting to know the person of Jesus and the significance of his life, death and resurrection for us.

The best proof for Christianity is the resurrection of Christ and for that other than the Bible you could look at historical evidence and see that actually this miraculous event could be to high degree of certainty affirmed by examining the evidence.

If you do your research in these areas then I think you will have better foundation for your conclusions a out whether Christianity is true or not.

If you want to know about these things in addition to the Bible you can read Dr. William Lane Craig's articles on the subject of the resurrection and also you can read his material on the doctrine of Trinity and that might answer some of your questions about it. Check his website on:

www.reasonablefaith.org

There is a wealth of material in there all written by one of the finest minds in Christendom. There are also audios and podcasts that you can enjoy and learn from and many many debates with atheist muslims and people who deny the resurrection.

I hope you find this material helpful in finding he truth.

God Bless!

Rale said...

Hey, here's a muslim parallel of this speech:

http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/207/0/3142.htm

Rale said...

This is a song for Kim:

http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/261/0/3143.htm

search 4 truth said...

@ kim

So are you being a racist and saying all Germans are Nazis? Or are you saluting Hitler who along with Muslim troops fought against the free world?
Or the Grand Mufti Husseini and his friend and ally Hitler who together designed the concentration camps modeled after the Ottoman Empires attempted genocide of the Armenians? Or is it all of the above?

John 8:24 said...

jonnykzj,

Great to you hear your experience when reading John 1!!! Your feelings when you read John 1 does not have to match with others. God indeed works with each one differently! I had a tremendous joy and peace which actually led me to tears when I accepted Jesus into my heart. Others have other experiences. If you open up to God - He would speak to you in a way that is unique to you. God is not into giving the same mass produced experiences to all people. God is a creative, personal and relational God. So people experience Him differently all the time. I would encourage you to keep reading! When you are convinced that it is God who is speaking to you through the Bible and convinced that Jesus is the one who He claimed to be - the Messiah, Lord, Savior and the Coming King - receive Jesus into your heart! I can send you info on what to do and refer you to someone living close to you who can help you grow in your new faith. Praying for you! :)

donna60 said...

D335,

Oxytocin is in the body for more things than childbirth. It is also inportant in love-making and orgasm and breastfeeding.

I am not sure what Johnnykzj meant by oxytocin. He probably meant it as an expression, but since you decided to call him on it, I thought you should know that you as a doctor are also pitifully wrong.

That is pretty scary.

And the use of Pitocin to speed up labor is a nasty, just one more example of the misogynistic practices in modern medicine.

Women should be allowed to have birth naturally, and doctors who abuse women's bodies when they are at their most vulnerable, by speeding up her labor for their own ease and convenience should lose their license to practice.

Mike A Robinson said...

Trust Christ and not your feelings. Trust who Jesus is and what He did on the cross and in His Resurrection. Wonderful feelings are good but feelings and emotions change and are in flux. Lean on the truth of Christ and trust Him when you have good feelings and especially when you have unpleasant feelings. And often reading the Bible will stir your heart and lift your mood, but when it doesn't, always trust Jesus.

John 8:24 said...

D335 & The Purple Marquise,

Please be understanding of jonnykzj. And D335, you don't have to ridicule jonnykzj's experience. Yes The Purple Marquise, I agree with some of your statements about not going by feelings etc. But you cannot put God in a box. I know and heard of many people and especially Muslims & Hindus turning to Christ through supernatural experiences. It may not be your way but God chooses to use these ways to speak to people. When jonnykzj is saying that he felt emotionally moved by reading John 1 which opens him up to understand the possibility that Trinity might be true – shouldn’t you be happy about that? Isn’t that what we hope Muslims to understand? Why is there any need to go on and on about the hormone thing? jonnykzj might as well not be able to express what happened.

So please, everyone, be understanding and not cynical!

My Two Sense said...

Kim is right. "Creeping Sharia" is exactly comparable to Hitler...

hugh watt said...

Interesting video. Unless these people are encouraging souls to turn to Christ secularism would be what they look to for their answers. The Eurozone [finances] cannot blame its problems on Islam and Islam is not out to solve Europe's ills.

JK

Deuteronomy 4:29 Perhaps while you are there, you will look to the Lord your God. You will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.

These Muslims cry out to God. See their stories.

http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/

Billy said...

Kim, your admiration for Adolf Hitler is duly noted. Whereas Hitler viewed Arabs to be racially inferior, he admired Islam:

“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” (Adolf Hitler)

taomeano said...

@Kim
when moslems cannot defend their arguments they resort to name calling. Typical behaviour Kim.

You can be more intelligent than that.

The Purple Marquise said...

@Rale!! Your "Burka Woman" link was absolutely hilarious!!! My husband and I laughed ourselves silly while watching it!!! I hope our dear Kim has enjoyed it too!!! So anyway thank you for sharing! I haven't had such a good laugh for quite a while!!!

jonnykzj said...

@Rale
Though the rest appealed tometoo the following gave me another signficant emotional shower:
"14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. "

AND OFCOURSE ur right. Theres still some evidence i require THOUGHif u or anyone cld confirm the claim of Gen 1:1 and John 1:1 using the same forumal we get pi n e, ignoring powers of ten FOR BOTH, CORRECT TO FOUR SIGNICANT FIGS, id say we have an enormaous 1/10^8 prob of this occuring by chance PLUS both these verses staring with IN THE BEGINNING. Plz check tht. thnks.

jonnykzj said...

@D335
"D335- oh wow, you telling that you get an erection reading John 1.
***head on the table***
and of course you are equipped with hormone blood immunoassay test next to you at all times. Wonderful.
***bang the table - oooh, braincells !***
and of course you could refer to endorphine, but no, you refer to oxytocin."

JK- They BOTH play a role. Ur now making a mockery out of my genuine feelings WICH HAD ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH erection. Infact during tht time my sexual thghts were comppltely shut off. it was a wonderful experience n as the article abt oxy mentions the hormone also heightens feelings FOR SOCIAL BONDING NOT just sexual. BTW "endorphines" R ALSO INVOLVED IN ORGASM in tht they get released during such. Checkout:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphine

jonnykzj said...

@The Purple Marquise

"But in general just relying on some random feelings of butterflies in the stomach or raising hair is not necessarily the best way to discern the truth."

JK- Normally ud be abs correct BUT REM IM STRONG ANTI-TRI BIASED. NOTE tht the Quran condemns me forever if i say "Jesus is God" in any way N YET I GET this enormous feeling reading abt himbeing so in John. THATS wht makes this so significant.

jonnykzj said...

@donna60

Thankyou for clariyfing this for me. ID ALSO LIKE TO ADD tht Oxy is also involved in SOCIAL RECOGNITION. Seethe wiki article on oxy again.

jonnykzj said...

@To Christians who claim feelings shld not be tht much of importance

OMG THIS IS INFACT ANOTHER SIGN FOR ME. Heres how. Usually im the one adament on reason. If u read how used to mock christianity with atheists. ive laughed at it together with many many atheists like Matt dillahunty, tracie, russel from the Atheist experience, Christopher hitchens(btw in his debate with Lane Craig i still say Craig cldve brought better arguments n soon i might pt out some THOUGH ONE arg of Craigs appealed to me i.e. IF evrything evolved by chance THE ORDER SHLVE BEEN LIMITED TO THIS PLANET OR NEARBY GALAXY as to the rest it shd appear unordered n unappealing. other than tht the args need to change or improve), aronra, nonstampcollector, darkmatter2525(from utube), donexdus2, George Carlin, sam harris(even have his book n still agree with alot of it), Daniel Dennet, Michael Shermer, ive seen n heard all of them, ALWAYS with reason n seriousness.
AND NOW IM THE EMOTIONAL ONE N U CHRISTIANS REMIND OF REASON. TRLY GOD MUST INVOLVE BOTH REASON N EMOTION JUST AS IVE THGHT INSIDE OF ME ALL ALONG.

jonnykzj said...

@ John 8:24

Thankyou for supporting me. This shows to me tht my pt regarding the spectrum of righteousness n thereby some being closer to God still than others EVEN IF ALL BE CHRISIANS, may also be true for it is shown to me here clearly.

jonnykzj said...

@All Christians

Before this gets lost wht abt the HAND/HANDS OF GOD? Also i rem a verse mentioning God's eye(s). Surely we can agree they're not separate from Him either. SO WHY is His hand(s) and/or eye(s) not claimed to be another Person of His? thanks.

Kim said...

As I thought.

All you people look forward to in life is argue and not try to understand the other side.

Keep accusing me of Nazism and whatever else you feel like blabbering about.

In REALITY, none of you seem to be true Christians and that is all I have to say.

Keep up the hatred, you'll only breed more. Peace.

jonnykzj said...

@FOR ALL CHRISTIANS ON HOW TO PRESENT AN(or perhaps THE?) ARGUMENT FOR GOD USING THERE OWN CHANCE CRITERIA

Here I'd like to present an argument for the existence of God which I suggest you reply to ALL ATHEISTS from now on. Feel free to improve on and/or correct it.
NOW we probably all agree tht no intelligent/conscious in this universe arose entirely by chance if any chance at all. BUT LETS GRANT THE ATHEISTS for a moment that conscious entities and everything else we know off can actually evolve PURELY BY CHANCE IN THE ULTIMATE SENSE(note that on a local level the environment serves as natural selection but ultimately the claim is that even environments appear and go by chance). NOW we grant all tht.
It is currently claimed that the univese arose from Quantum fluctuations WHICH R ETERNALLY FLUCTIATING. SO lets say that within the quantum realm before anything material existed everything was random and chaotic. BUT NOW WHY WLDNT EVOLUTION OCCUR THERE TOO? The quantum foam isnt still. Its fluctuating i.e hits and tries ad infinitum. BUT ALSO NOTE before the 1st bubble universe(or other) appears AN INFINITE NO OF FLUCTIATIONS SHLDVE PASSED since quantum foam is infinite and all moves. Thus all these fluctuations pass through every logical pathway possible. Thus they wldve "evolved" into a conscious entity in the very quantum foam n this conscious wld then add onto another conscience harmonize with that add onto another harmonize with tht N AFTER INFINITY "FORM" AN INFINITE CONSCIOUS IFULLY HAMRONIOUS as the first ever universe arises. Thus this entity wld necessary assume authority and leave nothing more upto chance. Im amazed why no one has ever thght of this. Atheists cld say quantum flux has no movement n is still BUT THEN ASK HOW DID IT DIFFERENTIATE INTO any universe or this as we see?
YET IF THEY remain stubborn and insist on an infinite no of bubble universes arising spontaneously and only thereafter evo taking its course tell them OK BUT WLDNT THEN SOME, OR RATHER AN INFINITE SBSET OF UNIS EVOLVE CONSCIOUS ENTITIES FASTER THAN OTHERS? Logically they shld admit so. And why shldnt some of those(again actually another infinite subset) bind their consciousness with others AGAIN HARMONIZING AS AN INFINITE NO OF SUCH BIND TOEGTHER. Again By the time we observe our universe an infinite no of such SHLVE ALREADY PASSED. IF SO then again this supreme consciousness shld assume authority and leave nothing upto chance.

jonnykzj said...

@CHRISTIANS AGAIN

...I forgot to add. Shld atheists claim that all logic breaks down on the quantum level, then tell them if this is so THEN EVERYTHING(even the illogical) IS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING EVERYTHING/CONSCIENCE OR WHTEVER INEVITABLY ARISING. AND EVERY SUCH INEVTABLY ARISING WLD INCLUDE GOD ARISING. AND IF GOD ARISES ONCE AGAIN HE/SHE/IT'LL LEAVE NOTHING MORE UPTO CHANCE.

betwixt said...

Out of Topic:
Hello, everyone. Here's a transcript of the "Who Killed Muhammad?" video. Thought I'd post the link here, too, since the original post is sort of buried.

Transcript: "Who Killed Muhammad?" by David Wood

Search 4 Truth said...

@ Kim What are we suppose to think when you heil Hitler. Do you even know what that Means?


@ jonny I do get emotional when i read the Bible. I just wasnt sure where you were going with this. So I didnt respond Especially when I read abut the passion of Christ! Peace!

Foolster41 said...

Kim: I see. You fallaciously heiled Hitler to imply we're natzis, but WE are the haters and ones not willing to understand the other side.

Not only are you hateful, but you are have shown how much of a hypocrite you are, and how morally corrupt and unwilling to reason you are as well!

Billy said...

Kim, if you are claiming that you do not admire Hitler and do not hate Jews, that is great. However, I have seen pictures of burka-wearing women holding up signs saying, “God bless Hitler” etc. The fundamental problem is that Muslims hail Mohammad, who perhaps was the most violent man in history.

I wonder, whether anyone has compared the creeds and deeds of Mohammad (and his associates) with some of the most evil men ( and their associates) in history, such as Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc., to ascertain where Mohammad ranks.

Billy said...

Kim also stated that we do “not try to understand the other side”. The other side wants to enforce sharia on us. That deeply concerns us. The Islamic law gives us three choices: conversion, subjugation, or death—so this issue of Islamic dominance is an existential threat for us.

Can we negotiate and come to a compromise on this sharia thingy? Here is a suggestion: If Muslims in the West want sharia so much, how about we apply the sharia penal code just for them? If a Muslim steals, cut his hand off. However, if a Christian steals, give him community service—soup kitchen for a day. J/K.

donna60 said...

johnykzj

I think I understand your feeling, I have just never attributed it to oxytocin, but it could have been.

In any case, I did email you at the email you left, and if you want to talk to me, please reply to my email account.

So far as I know, I have never got that warm feeling of excitement that I think you are referring to, by reading 1st John. Usually that warm feeling for me, comes when I am around people, not when I am studying.

But I will be glad to talk to you.

Baron Eddie said...

@ All Muslims in the East "Don'k kill us, Don't bomb and burn our Churches" ...

@ All Muslims in the West "Wake Up, you are going in the same path" ...

D335 said...

Kim,

I don't see you try to understand the other side. You always showed up with insignificant arguments trying to go against whatever posted here, just because.

Does your opinion matters? to some maybe. Certainly not me. Can you change others opinion about Islam? I don't think so. You yourself never been under such scrutiny of living differently, being minority under the oppressive majority.

From your arguments you clearly say what you think without any possibility of being persecuted. Not realizing you can be:
1 woman
2 non muslim
3 different race
4 or just ugly
and you still have to face dire consequences.

You can advertise that Sharia is the law of God, the supreme wisdom to rule mankind. You can declare that rapists are criminal and not representing islam, while in my eyes the court of Islam is the whole things that tolerate rapes.

@Billy
good idea, unfortunately naive. The majority WILL inevitably controls the state, therefor the law.
Such sharia has been implemented in UK, and the muslim community grew in such a rapid manner in which the old no longer feel the same way about their home country anymore.
While the non muslims enjoy the right the nation has provided but also incapable to listen the cry of those who cried under sharia.
You can eat on your own table, but you can't stop hearing the pleas of those persecuted.

hugh watt said...

JK

What is the Arabic for "Word" in this ayah?

Q.3:45. Behold! the angels said:
"O Mary! God giveth thee
Glad tidings of a Word
From Him: his name
Will be Christ Jesus,
The son of Mary, held in honour
In this world and the Hereafter
And of (the company of) those
Nearest to God;

John 1:1.

Usama said...

Kim:

This proves your racism not ours. You assume that every white person who speaks European languages is a Nazi. However, Nazis are not just white, in fact there is an Egyptian Nazi Party with Islam written all over it.

If you want to continue your false and slanderous ideas you may do so, but don't do so in IGNORANCE.

Peace.

Rale said...

@hugh watt
3:45 The word is
كَلِمَة : kalimah

Rale said...

@ hugh watt
The Gospel of John begins with the same word:

فِي الْبَدْءِ كَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ

fi lbad-i kaana lkalimatu

Usama said...

Rale:

Yes it does... that's the point.

jonnykzj said...

@Hugh Watt



"What is the Arabic for "Word" in this ayah?

Q.3:45. Behold! the angels said:
"O Mary! God giveth thee
Glad tidings of a Word
From Him: his name
Will be Christ Jesus,
The son of Mary, held in honour
In this world and the Hereafter
And of (the company of) those
Nearest to God;

John 1:1."

JK- "KaLiMaTin(ka-lam-meem-HA/ta marboota) minhu". It doesnt have the definite "al" so muslims might still claim Jesus is just "A word" and not "THE Word" from GOD BUT THE feminine form with "ha" stands out from the term "kalaam(kaf-lam-meem)" when the Quran talks abt "God's word" like Quran itself or other scriptures OR decrees.
ALSO the Quran seems to have numerical structure CENTERED AND NR 19 BUT THEN READ WHT 19:19 says.
"He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a HOLY/PURE(ZaKiyYAn) son."
Now thi has always bothered me a bit coz nobody was ever termed pure right from birth in the Quran except Jesus. Now im asking myself the question tht even if the quran is partly demonic n false MAYBE YET GOD PUT IN THERE SIGNS THT SHOW JESUS IS SPECIAL AFTER ALL n thus lead ppl to the Gospel. Cant say for best possible surity tht i need as yet but all pts i considered seem to go in tht direction. tell me wht u think. n plz also add me to skype so we can talk this out more. thnks

jonnykzj said...

Donna60

"I think I understand your feeling, I have just never attributed it to oxytocin, but it could have been."

JK-That's understandable. It's also not just one hormone or even two but a combination of alot of them which cause the brain to experience love n then send it to all the body and perhaps even specifically the heart as i read at heartmath.org.
ANYWAYS it is important to note tht God makes everything SYSTEATICALLY i.e. we can trace back everything ranging from apparent movement to emotions to some causal mechanism in this world. If God just wanted us to move or thnk or feel otherise there was no need for our bodies made of atoms or containing electrical signals or a central nervous system.
ALSO one can see in psychopaths tht they always have either some kind of injury in certain regions of the brain whcib produce hormones to ensure feelings of empathy or an error in the wiring. BUT since the brain cannot be 100% divided into region theres probably always some parts which remain healthy n those can be stimulated to repair the rest n empathy arise once again.
I believe if Christianity is true the Holy Spirit inspired the doctors too and the best n most efficient doctors wld a) arise out of a Christian environment n b) wld be christians themselves.
ALL THE SUPERNATURAL STUFF i belevie wldve ended with Jesus's disciples IMU but if anyone can still demonsrate such then the JRF challenge is there for tht.

"In any case, I did email you at the email you left, and if you want to talk to me, please reply to my email account."

JK- I did. Plz state a time tht is suitable for u.

"So far as I know, I have never got that warm feeling of excitement that I think you are referring to, by reading 1st John. Usually that warm feeling for me, comes when I am around people, not when I am studying."

JK- Ah ic. i replied in more detail in my email.

"But I will be glad to talk to you."

JK- awesome!

hugh watt said...

1-

JK

Q.4:171 Christ Jesus the son of Mary
Was (no more than)
An apostle of God,
And His Word,
Which He bestowed on Mary,
And a Spirit proceeding
From Him: so believe
In God and His apostles.

Q.6:73. It is He Who created
The heavens and the earth
In true (proportions):
The day He saith, "Be,"

Behold! it is. His Word
Is the Truth. His will be
The dominion the day
The trumpet will be blown. - Y Ali

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

John 1:1-14

JK. "ALSO the Quran seems to have numerical structure CENTERED AND NR 19."

Q.19:19 He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son [Isa].

Q.47:19 So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.

I believe Muhammad heard things from Jews and Christians and got them jumbled up. If you do as the Koran says you should read Al-Kitab.

Read the next article I posted after this.

hugh watt said...

2-

The Qur’an commands Christians to judge by the Gospel:

Qur’an 5:47—“Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.”

Thus, when Christians present their beliefs, it makes sense for Muslims to ask, “Could you show us where the Bible says that?” Christians should therefore be eager to present evidence from the Gospel, because Muslims cannot condemn us for doing what the Qur’an commands. Indeed, since the Qur’an affirms not only the Gospel, but also the Torah (Qur’an 5:43), Muslims cannot ignore what the Bible says without thereby rebelling against Islam.

Muslims around the world are being trained to ask Christians, “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am God, worship me,’ in those exact words?” However, if Muslims are suggesting that Jesus could only claim to be God by uttering a specific sentence, we may reply by asking, “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am only a prophet, don’t worship me,’ in those exact words?” The unreasonable demand for a particular statement, if applied consistently, would thus force Muslims to reject their own view!

Fortunately, we have a simple way to examine what Jesus said about himself. According to both the Bible and the Qur’an, there are certain claims that only God can truly make. For instance, God alone can correctly state that he created the universe. Of course, a mere human being can pronounce the words, “I created the universe,” but the statement would be false coming from anyone other than God.

Hence, if Jesus said things that can only truly be said by God, we must conclude that Jesus claimed to be God. Interestingly, Jews, Christians, and Muslims agree on many of the claims that cannot be properly made by (or about) mere human beings. Let us consider a few of these.

THE FIRST AND THE LAST

Surah 57:3 of the Qur’an refers to Allah as “the First and the Last, the Most High and the Most Near.” The Old Testament agrees that God is the “First and the Last,” as we read in the Book of the prophet Isaiah:

Isaiah 44:6—Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me.”

When “LORD” is written in all capitals in the Old Testament, the term refers to Yahweh, the creator of the universe. Since both the Bible and the Qur’an give the title “the First and the Last” to God, it should be quite shocking for Muslims to open the New Testament and read Revelation 1:17-18, where Jesus says:

“Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.”

Would a mere prophet claim to be the “First and the Last”?

hugh watt said...

3-

WHO FORGIVES SINS?

While one human being may sin against another human being, there is a sense in which all sin is rebellion against God. Similarly, while you and I may forgive one another for the wrongs we commit, only God can offer ultimate forgiveness. Thus, the prophet David could say to God, “Against You, You only, I have sinned
 and done what is evil in Your sight” (Psalm 51:4), and the Prophet Daniel could declare, “To the Lord our God belong compassion and forgiveness, for we have rebelled against Him” (Daniel 9:9).

The Qur’an agrees that ultimate forgiveness belongs to God, for it asks, “Who can forgive sins except Allah?” (3:135).

It might surprise Muslims to learn that, in the New Testament, Jesus claims the ability to forgive sins. In Mark 2, a paralyzed man is brought to Jesus in order to be healed. Jesus’ response leads the religious leaders to accuse him of blasphemy:

Mark 2:5-7—And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” But some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?”

The scribes correctly recognized that only God can forgive sins. Yet Jesus (who referred to himself as the “Son of Man”), knowing their thoughts, replied that “the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” (Mark 2:10). He then healed the paralytic, proving that his claims were true.

THE LIGHT

In Psalm 27:1, the prophet David proclaims: “The LORD is my light and my salvation.” Similarly, the Qur’an declares that “Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth” (24:35). Yet Jesus tells his listeners that he is “the Light”:

John 8:12—“I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

THE TRUTH

The prophet David refers to Yahweh as the “God of Truth” (Psalm 31:5). According to the Qur’an, “Allah is the Truth” (22:6). Jesus, however, applies this as a title for himself:

John 14:6—Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

How can a mere human being claim to be “The Truth”?

THE FINAL JUDGE

In Chapter 3 of the Book of the prophet Joel, Yahweh declares that the nations will be gathered and that he “will sit to judge all the surrounding nations” (v. 12).

According to the prophet David, “the LORD abides forever;
He has established His throne for judgment, and He will judge the world in righteousness” (Psalm 9:7-8).

The Qur’an maintains that Allah will judge the world, rewarding believers and punishing unbelievers:

Qur’an 22:56-57—The kingdom on that day shall be Allah’s; He will judge between them; so those who believe and do good will be in gardens of bliss. And (as for) those who disbelieve in and reject Our communications, these it is who shall have a disgraceful chastisement.

So why, we may wonder, would Jesus tell his followers that he will be the final judge of all people?
Matthew 25:31-32—“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”

Jesus goes on to say that he will admit certain people to heaven and cast others into hell. Isn’t this something only God can do?

hugh watt said...

4-

THE RESURRECTION

The Bible and the Qur’an agree that God is the one who will raise the dead.

1 Samuel 2:6—The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to Sheol and raises up.

Qur’an 22:7—Allah will resurrect those who are in the graves.
Since God will raise the dead at the resurrection, why would a mere prophet tell his followers that he will resurrect the dead?

John 5:25-29—“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.”

John 11:25—Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies.”

GOD’S GLORY

The Qur’an tells us that “Whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Allah” (57:1).

In the Old Testament, we find that Yahweh will not share his glory with anyone.

Isaiah 42:8—“I am the LORD, that is My name;
I will not give My glory to another.” (Cf. Isaiah 48:11—“My glory I will not give to another.”)

Yet Jesus claimed, not only that he would be glorified with the Father, but that he had glory with the Father before the world was created!

John 17:5—“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

How can anyone see this as anything other than a claim to deity?

FURTHER EVIDENCE

In Mark 2:28, Jesus calls himself the “Lord of the Sabbath.” In Matthew 22:41-45, he proves that he is the Lord of the prophet David. In John 8:39-58, Jesus says that he has seen the prophet Abraham. In Matthew 12:6, Jesus claims to be greater than God’s Temple.

Jesus tells us that he has an absolutely unique relationship with the Father (Matthew 11:27), that he can answer prayers (John 14:13-14), that he is present wherever his followers are gathered (Matthew 18:20), that he has “all authority in heaven and on earth” (Matthew 28:18), and that he is with his followers forever (Matthew 28:20). He even makes the startling declaration that “All things that the Father has are Mine” (John 16:15).

According to Jesus, all people must honor him just as we honor the Father:

John 5:21-23—“For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”

Since one of the ways we honor the Father is by worshiping him, it should come as no surprise that Jesus’ followers worshiped him on numerous occasions. Indeed, the Gospel tells us that Jesus was worshiped throughout his life: shortly after his birth (Matthew 2:11), during his ministry (Matthew 14:33, John 9:38), after his resurrection (Matthew 28:17), and after his ascension to heaven (Luke 24:52). Jesus’ disciple Thomas even addressed him as “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28).

hugh watt said...

5-5

ASSESSMENT

Where did Jesus say, “I am God, worship me”? As we have seen, Jesus claimed to be the First and the Last, the forgiver of sins, the Light, the Truth, the Final Judge, and the Resurrection. Jesus proclaimed that he had glory with the Father before the world was created, that he is the Lord of the Sabbath and of King David, that he had seen Abraham, and that he is greater than God’s Temple. Jesus has a unique relationship with the Father, he can answer prayers, he is with his followers no matter where they are, he has total authority on earth and in heaven, he is with his followers forever, and he owns everything. Jesus even demanded that he be honored just as the Father is honored. Clearly, these are not the claims of a mere human being. They are not even the claims of a mighty prophet. These are claims only God can truly make. This is why Christians believe that Jesus is God.

POSTSCRIPT: THE ISLAMIC DILEMMA

Since the Bible obviously supports the Christian view of Jesus, Muslims who want to deny the deity of Christ will have to argue that the Gospel has been corrupted. But if the Gospel has been corrupted, why does the Qur’an command Christians to judge by the Gospel? By commanding us to judge by what we find in the Gospel, the Qur’an has inadvertently ordered Christians to reject Islam!

But it gets worse for Muslims. The Qur’an affirms the inspiration and reliability of the Christian Scriptures (3:3-4, 5:47, 5:66, 7:157, 10:94), as well as man’s inability to corrupt God’s Word (6:114-115, 18:27). Muslims therefore cannot reject what the Gospel says, which leaves them with quite a dilemma. If the Gospel is reliable, Islam must be false, since the Gospel presents Jesus as God. Alternatively, if the Gospel is unreliable, Islam must be false, because the Qur’an tells us that the Gospel is the Word of God. Either way, Islam is false, and anyone who is searching for the truth will never find it in the Qur’an. - David Wood

hugh watt said...

Thanks Rale.

JK, watch this.

http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/testimonies/testimony_faisal.wmv

My Two Sense said...

Kim - speaking as someone who is not a Christian, you are just as much of a hypocrite as you accuse people on this blog be. Way to prove everybody's point.

"Sticks and stones", luv...

jonnykzj said...

@Hugh watt N ALL OTHER CHRISTIANS

Thanks for the detailed post. BTW I had a long talk with "Rale" yesterday N IT WAS AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESOME. We touched so many pts. One of the most exciting issue was me telling him THAT WHILST ONE REGION OF MY BRAIN WAS STILL BEING QURAN ALONE, THE OTHER WANTS TO ACCEPT GOD'S TRIUNE NATURE. SO i hypothesized of how it wld look like IF I LAY UNDER AN fMRI(FUNCTIONAL magnetic resonance tomograph) N SE WHT A FIREWORK WLD GO ON IN MY BRAIN IF I ACCEPTED SAY JESUS CHRIST AS LORD WHILST UNDER THT MACHINE(which btw i find to God inspired as well made by scientists RESULTING FROM A CHRISTIAN ENVIRONMENT). Hows tht? Want tht be just FANTASTIC!

jonnykzj said...

@Hugh watt again

Cld u also plz add me to skype so i can talk with u too? my ID there is idmkhizar . thnx.

Rale said...

@jonnykzj

thanks for your comment! I undestand your point. I'm especially aware that's not easy to leave Islam coz the God of the Qur'an is threatening with hellfire those who disbelieve on almost every page of the book. But here we could ask ourselves: what kind of religion is that when you have constantly to threat people to make them believe? Does the truth require so much threatening in order for us to embrace it? That constant threatening with punishment in hell and the description of the physical suffering that goes with it is what stunned me most when I read the Qur'an.
On the contrary, out Lord Jesus Christ is calling us with His meekness:
28 Come to me all you that labor and are burdened, and I will refresh you. 29 Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: And you shall find rest to your souls. 30 For my yoke is sweet and my burden light. (Mat 11)

hugh watt said...

JK

This is an easier way for me to interact with you.

Glad to be of help with the references.

mkvine said...

jonnykzj,

I'm taking biochemistry and I couldn't help but notice your comment on "oxytocin" since we just covered that a few weeks ago.

You said "As i started IMMEDIATELY MY OXYTOCIN LEVELS STARTED RUSHING BUT NOT JUST CONTINOUSLY BUT IN DESCRETE "PACKETS".

You do know that oxytocin functions in stimulation of milk production, right? So I don't know how to make sense of your statement....Unless, your a female? But how is that even relevant to this video?

jonnykzj said...

@mkvine

Do i have to go all over this again? PLZ read my posts above tht "oxytocin" also enables humans to SOCIAL RECOGNITION and has been studied for such. Infact just read the 3rd para at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

mkvine said...

jonnykzj,

Yes, oxytocin has various functions including roles in social recognition, as you said, sexual orgasms, and milk production. You can't pick and choose and what oxytocin plays a role in, since it has a role in ALL these functions. I still don't see your point.

John 8:24 said...

mkvine,

Stop going after jonnykzj on the oxytocin issue. Please see my comment above.

jonnykzj,

Please ignore this topic! By the way, I sent you a short email on Sunday did you receive it?

mkvine said...

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jonnykzj said...

@mkvine again

If ud have read it in its entirety ud have noticed tht the social recognition does not just inc sexual bonding. Ppl who dont secrete as much oxytocin wld lack empathy in general NOT ONLY SEXUAL. And yes there r also other hormones which play a role here. THE ONLY REASON i first came up with Oxy is coz i rem a discussion btw Sam Harris n some pastor where it came up n they were discussing empathy in a moral context. also i can rem michael shermer brining it up when he talked abt moral behavior n how it comes to be naturally.

jonnykzj said...

@John 8:24

Thanku for coming to my defense. Just read ur email. mustve overlooked it be4. sent u my skype id.