In a recent post, I quoted both the Qur'an and the Hadith on the setting of the sun:
Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.
I also put together a video on the subject:
Finally, I linked to a number of articles that give a far more thorough analysis, with many additional arguments and sources.
As I note in the video, the narration from Sunan Abu Dawud is classified as "Sahih" (meaning that it comes with a chain of reliable narrators going back to a companion of Muhammad). Since most of Islam's teachings come from Sahih ahadith, Muslims aren't supposed to reject a Sahih narration unless it contradicts the Qur'an.
How does the great investigator Kim answer my argument? She responds by giving a link to a brief article by Yahya Snow!
Seriously, Kim? Yahya Snow? YAHYA SNOW? When Kim was citing Bassam Zawadi and "Islam: Q&A," she was at least citing some apologists who know their material. Now she's gone directly to the bottom of the barrel by appealing to Yahya Snow. I actually have far, far more respect for even Nadir Ahmed and Osama Abdullah than I have for Yahya Snow. Nadir and Osama at least try to give evidence for their claims. Yahya makes things up and provides no evidence whatsoever, and then acts as if the problem has been solved! Let's have a look at Yahya's claims (and his awesomely deceptive video!). Here's the article:
Sun Sets in a Pool of Slime – Hadith?
It appears as though Christian missionaries are confusing folk concerning the sun setting in a pool of slimy water via a dubious narration. IslamOnline clears the confusion as the narration is not thought to have come from the Prophet Muhammad (p):
The author claims that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) also explained it in a literal sense. He quoted a hadith in which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported as saying, “Do you know, Abu Dharr, where this sun sets?”
He answered, “God and His Messenger know better.”
Muhammad said, “It sets in a spring of slimy water.”
According to most authorities, this statement is not from Prophet Muhammad but it is attributed to Ka`b Al-Ahbar, a Jewish rabbi who converted to Islam and who reported this from the Torah, not from Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).”
IslamOnline’s clarification of the reference to Zul Qarnain in Quran 18:86 can be viewed here:
Well, that's it. That's Yahya's entire case. I quoted the Qur'an and a Sahih Hadith. He responds by claiming, in effect, "Most scholars tell us that the Jews said it, not Muhammad," and voila! Problem solved! He doesn't give us a single scholar who says that the source of the quotation is a Jew and not Muhammad. He doesn't show us where this teaching is found in the Torah (since he declares that it comes from the Torah). He doesn't give us the arguments or reasoning of his mysterious "scholars." He doesn't show us how actual scholars such as Abu Dawud, Zamakshari, and Ibn Hanbal were fooled into including such a dubious Hadith in their collections. He doesn't explain why Darussalam's scholars, to this day, classify the Hadith as "Sahih." He simply says, "The Jews did it," and that's enough for him and for Muslims like Kim.
Is everyone starting to catch on? The evidence simply doesn't matter to Yahya or Kim. No matter how much evidence we produce, they'll simply respond, "Jews." We've seen this over and over again from Osama and others. They constantly place the errors and blunders of their prophet on the backs of Jews and Christians (and I thought Muslims reject substitutionary atonement!).
Wow! When honesty and integrity go out the window, so much is possible for Muslim apologists!