Wednesday, November 23, 2011

Josh McDowell vs. Ahmed Deedat: Was Christ Crucified?


Galafrin said...

very good videos, but I' m afraid non-muslim could never get rid of their muslim neighbours unless repealing them behind their frontier line.
Spain supported by the Catholic Church could not come to terms with the califat after 800 years fighting and converting into christians all muslims whom had not fled. Spain in 1610 had to expulse those 300 000 moriscos then 3% of population in order to preserve the nation's security, then hardly a modern country could fare better if confronted with a sect whom had threw away reason for belief.

Anonymous said...

ohhhh josh mcdowell. this guy made me became a true chrsitian when i had doubts about the resurrection after reading some of his articles

VJ said...

i dont know where this video was for so many years.
This is one debate muslims never dare to talk about. Deedat was totaly crucified by josh.
I hope this video reaches muslims worldwide especially deedat fans.

Dk said...

Few questions.

Where did Ahmed Deedat say "I am Deedat, do not worship me, worship the Creator"? in those exact words?

Where did Deedat explictly say: "I crucified Mcdowell and beat him in debate" otherwise he lost this debate.

Radical Moderate said...

Wow Josh McDowell looks and sounds different then he does in "SHARIA LOVE"

Radical Moderate said...

This debate brought to you by Coca Cola lol.

Samatar Mohamed said...


You don't get Deedats message and why it is important for Jesus (pbuh) to utter those words. It is a criteria of God to clearly identify himself as he does in the Old Testament. All jesus (pbuh) has to say is an explicit statement that would prove he was calling himself the one true God. However, Jesus (pbuh) does identify himself as the messiah, and prophet in explicit terms in the New Testament. Therefore, If a man was claimed to have a divine nature. I`m sure you would want to see if he stated it himself.

mikeyh428 said...

Interestingly, the transcript on has slight variations from the actual speech, but was still helpful in following Deedat's speech, especially with the sound quality. I had not heard another debate of Deedat's except for the Shorrosh debate in the UK. I had forgotten about his exotic delivery style. It's amazing how he can take two minutes of monologue and squeeze it into ten minutes. Classic Deedat!

@Galafrin - its stunning in that what evangelical Christians are doing each year in sub-sahara Africa, the Catholic church couldn't do after centuries in Spain.

D335 said...

one of deedat's point: why would the christian need to believe the Quran when infact it was 600 years away from the time of Jesus?


-misery loves company, as stupidity got 12 wives and messed up 1.6 billions morons.

“When stupidity is a sufficient explanation, there is no need to have recourse to any other”
M. Ullman

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Samatar,

you said,

You don't get Deedats message and why it is important for Jesus (pbuh) to utter those words.

I say,

No offence but it’s you who don’t understand the significance of making demands of God before you will surrender to him .

Any time you demand Jesus do something so as to be worthy of worship whether it’s say a specific phrase or show you a sign you put your self in the place of God as king.

This is same sin Satan commited at the beginning of Jesus' ministry.


And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread."
(Mat 4:3)


and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you,' and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'"
(Mat 4:6)

End quote:

It’s what the Pharisees repeatedly did by always demanding Jesus show a “sign” before they would follow him.

The fact is Jesus has revealed his identity plainly enough it is your duty to humbly submit to God’s revelation.

Even if Jesus jumped through all the hoops that you demand of him I’m sure there would always be one more thing you would ask before you would submit to him,

It’s just what rebels do


curly said...

Jesus Christ was crucified that is strong reliability! Jesus Christ crucified is the big thorn in Islam's credibility. I reject Islam because of it.

Brother C.L said...

@ Samatar Mohamed Deedats "message" is eisegesis the Biblical text and offer your own unique private personal rendering of it that just so happens to agrees with your Islamic presuppositions.

If we use his "message", since we have 6 billion human beings on earth they can all each have their own unique private person interpretation of anything. I doubt Deedat would have accepted his "message" being applied to the Quran or hadeeth.

Jesus did identity himself with the same exact names and attributes as Jehovah God in the OT. Here is one example

John 8:56–59 (NASB95)"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

1. Jesus did not merely say before Abraham was I was, which would have indicated his existence predated Abraham, he said ἐγώ εἰμί I Be/Am, which denotes self existence without beginning or ending.

2. ἐγώ εἰμί or I Be/Am is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew personal name of the God of Israel YHWH or I Am, used by the translators of the Septuagint.. Exodus 3:14 (Logos LXX)
14 καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν "Ἐγώ εἰμι"(EGO EIMI/I AM) ὁ ὤν, καὶ εἶπεν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ Ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς.

3. Since words only take on meaning within a context, besides the contextual use of "before Abraham was I Am" in verse 57, you have the context of verse 58 with the reaction of the Jewish hears of Jesus calling Himself I Am..they wanted to kill him on the spot.

proof for god said...

Wow. I didn't know this got filmed. What a find. The content was put in book form many years ago and is available on amazon. A young McDowell was a lion.

Galafrin said...


What is so stunning about evangelicals in black Africa? Civil war all over Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Sudan all the way thru Zanzibar.

History shows the actual counter-jihad had been already fought and won by Rome for the last centuries, with the help of the russian orthodox church in the balkan against the ottoman empire.

In the French Army of Afghanistan, whenever a conflict occurs beetween muslims and catholics, the few reformed christians always side with muslims, for their hatred of Rome supposedly. It has been filmed, commented and tells a lot about schismatic churches that only reinvent the wheel.

No need to curse other christians but if some completly ignore the deeds and writings of Rome, it could be a bit counter-productive.

Deleting said...

Samatar said, "You don't get Deedats message and why it is important for Jesus (pbuh) to utter those words. It is a criteria of God to clearly identify himself as he does in the Old Testament. "

And he does. God, more importantly Jesus,does NOT have to self-identify in the way a person can or would accept. He does NOT have to cater to your prejudices, nor does he have to use an explicit set of words, not when you have the gospel accounts showing his life.
Last of all, and I'll get off my rant, he SHOWED he was God. He didn't have to say it. The mouth can say whatever but the proof is and as always been in his demonstration.
My friend Samater and Kim, there is another demonstration of his deity coming. It's when he comes to execute God the father's wrath. Do you really need to see it then? Because you probably won't survive it.
Repent. Now.

Dk said...

Hey Samatar

(I don't believe we have meet, so it's a pleasure.).

You said: "However, Jesus (pbuh) does identify himself as the messiah, and prophet in explicit terms in the New Testament."

Actually that's not true. Jesus explicitly prohibits the disciples from telling people he is the Messiah.

And secondly the passage referring to Jesus as a prophet is by the narrator not by Jesus himself calling himself a prophet. Oh there is another passage where people refer to him as "prophet", but there are passages where he is referred to as God. So what does that prove?

Also there are no explicit passages in the New Testament where Jesus said "My mother was a virgin when she gave birth to me", therefore he had no virgin birth? There is not a single passage where Jesus even IMPLIES he has a virgin birth.

As for God identifying himself explicitly in the OT as God. Are there not other explicit titles and functions that identify God as God? e.g. "I am he", "Savior" "Creator" "The Lord (Ha Adon)" "The one who gives and takes life".

Most of these are all attributed to Jesus by Jesus or the New Testament Authors.

Plus Trinitarians have pointed out given the nature of the Trinity, Jesus cannot present the false analogy of modalism e.g. "I am God" implies "I am God the Father sitting on the throne in heaven" to a first century Jew. So distinctions and clarifications are needed, in order for Jesus to make clear he is "not the Father".

Can you also explain how Jesus claiming the authority and power of God on earth, and to "sit at his right hand" in the heavens, is not IDOLTARY?

Where does the OT also EXPLICTLY SAY: "The only way to claim to be Yahweh Creator is to say "I am Yahweh", or are you assuming the Old Testament is saying this? Do you have any actual proof?

Please explain to me how the voice of the Son of God resurrects the dead and the living at the last day, and the Son of God proceeds to judge every human being, when both the function and role of judgement and ressurection from the grave are given to God alone. Please let me know how this is compatible with Islamic Monotheism.

Please let me know how Jesus was able to say "I saw you under the tree philip" , is Jesus omni-present in Islam?

Look Samatar who are you kidding BRO?

Samatar Mohamed said...


What you do not understand is that the fundamental faith of Christianity is to believe that Jesus (pbuh) is God. If you do not believe that he is God, than according to Christianity, they will go to hell. Therefore, it is important that Jesus(pbuh) should confirm to people that he is God.

minoria said...

Jay Smith said he was born in India and lived there till he was 17,and then lived in Senegal for 5 years.


Hey that means he knows HINDI and FRENCH,he SHOULD make VIDEOS in those languages.Believe me there are Muslims who would be reached.

That was one reason why I decided to write in French,I saw there was little info in French.I also always tell the readers they can use GOOGLE TRADUCTION to translate English aticles I suggest.I give them the Google Traduction link.

In my view,those French articles are really for the non-Muslims,to give them reasons NOT to believe in Islam,but a few Muslims also read and comment,to my amazement,but my REAL FAITH is in INFLUENCING the NON-MUSLIMS,they can be touched.

And those non-Muslims can give the information to other French-seaking non-Muslims.I really have very little faith in influencing the Muslims,Ali Sina was right in that view,he himself said his blog was far more for the non-Muslims.

Brother C.L said...

@ Samatar

Serious? Did you bother to read my last post? Or are We moving the goal post now?

John 8:24 said...

Samatar Mohamad said: All jesus (pbuh) has to say is an explicit statement that would prove he was calling himself the one true God.

@Samatar, why are you Muslims like a broken record? You keep asking the same questions and making the same statements no matter how many times it has been explained to you. Tell me how many times this topic has been discussed here on this blog? If you disagree or don't understand why didn't you bring it up then? Why keep bringing up the topics that have already been dealt with thoroughly? What is the problem with you guys?

Here is David's post on it:

I am also re-posting some of my comments on this topic. You can look up comments from others as well.

John 8:24 said...

Repost 1:

Osama Abdallah,

You don't even have the basic understanding of the Bible or Christianity and you are making fun of Jesus being God using the Bible as a proof? Ok, Osama, tell us truthfully: have you ever read the Bible fully, or the New Testament or even a single gospel end to end? Have you read a single Christian commentary? It doesn't sound like it. And you consider yourself a great Muslim debater? This same pattern I see with each and every Muslim debater. And every Muslim that I ever argued with blindly picks up Muslim debaters points. I am pretty sure the Muslims apologists never read the Bible or a commentary for themselves. They all parrot the first ignorant idiot's (Ahmad Deedat) points!

You are quoting verses when Jesus obviously did not have the full authority!!! That is what is incarnation. It is not a little secret that Christians keep hidden or anything they are embarrassed by! This is just what incarnation means. This is quite basic, Osama. It is Christianity 101. That Jesus became FULLY man! And YOU (and other Muslim debaters) should be embarrassed by not knowing it or understanding it!

When Jesus took on flesh he gave up his authority, his power and his other godly attributes!

"(Jesus) who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross! "
(Philippians 2: 6-8)

Jesus Christ in flesh was not omnipresent, omniscient or omnipotent as he gave up the fullness of those attributes willing through the incarnation and therefore limiting himself. Jesus limited himself to a man - a little lower than angels (Hebrews 2:9). Jesus was bound by space and time. He had to depend upon the Holy Spirit for knowledge & power. He had to communicate to his Father through the Spirit, therefore he prayed. Jesus in the Bible is not like a baby speaking like an adult (as portrayed in the Quran). Jesus had to learn how to speak, how to write etc. Jesus grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52). Jesus only started his ministry after being baptized and sent by the Spirit - where God the Father himself says: "This is my Son, whom I love" (Matthew 3:17). Jesus only knew what the Spirit revealed to him and therefore did not know the day or the hour of his second coming (Matthew 24:2) - a favorite verse used by ignorant Muslim apologists. Jesus felt pain, he was tired, he was hungry and yes, he did go to the toilet! (how ignorant and stupid of Muslim apologists to keep using the God can not go to the toilet argument without even understanding what incarnation is!). When Jesus was arrested he says to his disciple who tries to defend him, "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" (Matthew 26:53). The only time the Spirit left him, was when God abandoned him on the cross as Jesus took upon himself our sin. That is why he cried out 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?' (Matthew 27:46) - another favorite verse of Muslims. But after Jesus rose from the dead, all authority in heaven and earth was given back to him (Matthew 28:18). (Hmm, I wonder why Muslims never use Matthew 28:18?) Even if you had just managed to read till the end of the gospel of Matthew, it would have saved you for revealing your ignorance.

According to your disparaging comments, you seem proud, arrogant and haughty. "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." (Proverbs 16:18) and it was pride that made Satan fall! In spite of getting to know that you have been wrong, if you are going to remain stubborn and not going to humble yourself before God you will for sure join Satan in his doom. And this, indeed, is the warning for every Muslim.

John 8:24 said...

Repost 2:

Summing up for all Muslims who have no understanding of the basic concept of incarnation and just blindly pick up arguments made by ignorant Muslim debaters:

7 Sequential Steps

1) Jesus existed eternally as the Son of God, the Word of God (both are titles)
2) Then, Jesus limited himself by taking on flesh (incarnation)
3) Then, Jesus preached the gospel, performed many miracles
4) After that, Jesus took up on himself our sin and payed of us by dying sacrificially on the cross
5) Then, Jesus bodily rose from the dead
6) Then, all authority is given to Jesus and He ascends into heaven
7) Jesus is going to come back to judge the whole world and set up his kingdom

First, there is no point in showing verses from the Bible in steps 2, 3 and 4 where Jesus was limited because of incarnation to show that he was limited and therefore not God!

Second, who in their sound mind would openly say "I am God, worship me!"? Only a fool would say that. Jesus was no fool! And, therefore, Jesus did not say those exact words, though he truly was divine. Jesus did give a lot of hints and made many direct and indirect claims to divinity and proved his claims through performing miracles and showing knowledge that puzzled even his staunch enemies. Instead of foolishly saying "I am God, worship me!", Jesus wanted people to discover for themselves who he indeed was! All you have to do is to read a gospel end to end and it would be absolutely clear! At the height of his ministry Jesus asks his disciples "Who do people say I am?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:13-16). Saying openly "I am God, worship me" would also harm his mission of bringing salvation by offering himself as a sacrifice (Matthew 16:20-28). People would demand a spectacular sign like the devil (Matthew 4:6) - which Jesus would not perform. So when he refuses to perform the sign, people would claim he is a lair and reject him. Lets say, for the sake of argument, he performs the sign they ask for, then everyone will make him a king - which again would defeat his mission. He can't be a rightful king without the cross! He needs rightfully earn it by going through steps 4, 5 and 6. In fact, when people tried to forceably make him their king he escaped from them (John 6:15). Either ways it a bad thing. So Muslims, please don't throw this Jesus never said "I am God, worship me" junk argument! Please read the gospel and understand why Jesus never said that. It isn't too hard to understand. Is it?

Third, even in step 2, 3 and 4 Jesus displays power and knowledge like no other. He performs miracles like no other. John the baptist testifies about him. God the Father testifies about him. In step 4 even a pagan Roman soldier recognizes his divinity. His disciples and those who knew him, however, did not get it fully. They did not really understand who Jesus was, what his mission was and what his kingdom looked like. (Peter, knew the right answer to Jesus' question "Who do you say I am" but did not clearly comprehend the implications). But after step 4 and 5, it became clear to all disciples - so much so that all the apostles preached, in spite of opposition and fierce persecution, that Jesus is God, he died for our sins and rose up from the dead. Ultimately 11 out of 12 apostles died as martyrs sacrificing their own lives for preaching this truth. And on this very blood of the martyrs was the early church built!

The miraculous birth of Jesus, his great moral teachings, his sinless and exemplary life in accordance to his teachings, his amazing miracles, his sacrificial death on the cross, his resurrection and the early church witness and martyrdom should move one to exclaim, like the Roman centurion, "Surely, he is the Son of God" (Matthew 27:54)

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Samatar says,

If you do not believe that he is God, than according to Christianity, they will go to hell. Therefore, it is important that Jesus(pbuh) should confirm to people that he is God.

I say,

First of all Jesus does confirm that he is God to anyone with eyes to see. Second of all the implied complaint that “God is unfair” is oldest excuse for rebellion in the book.

It is what the serpent whispered in Eve’s ear in the garden, convincing her that God was not fair because he did not give her access to every tree in the garden.

You need to understand that God is under no obligation to save you from the hell your own sins deserve.

If He in his mercy chooses to reveal himself to others but to leave you completely in the dark as to his Gospel then that is his prerogative.

That is what Grace means. It’s not’s God’s duty to provide rebels an with escape from his wrath it’s his merciful choice.

Instead of complaining that God has not made himself clear enough to satisfy you you should fall on your knees in gratitude that he spoke at all and humbly accept his free offer of forgiveness.

But then again whining about the perceived unfairness and injustice of God instead of bowing the knee to him is just what rebels do.

I don't mean to be harsh but there is no way to sugarcoat the uglyness of your arrogant rejection of God in the person of the Son.

I would hope that instead of continuing to make demands of God you would look in the mirror and consider what your actions look like to Him.


andy bell said...

Jesus christ was crucified. That probably isn't a dispute.

The real question is whether or not his bones are still in the golgotha area, where he was buried.

The leap of faith is that the man was the God, who resurrected from the dead and rose up to heaven.

That second part is not what I'm so sure about.

mikeyh428 said...

@Galafrin, how are evangelicals responsible for ethnic wars in those countries, some of which have been going on for centuries? My point was that evangelicals are leading millions in Africa to Christ every year without military action. While I'm not trying to downplay counter-jihad/crusading in response to military offensives (sometimes you just have to defend yourself against military aggression as a last defense - eg. Battle of Tours in France as well as the Ottomans), the Church was slow to respond to the Muslim threat early on which ultimately lead to wars later on. (Though part of it was due to the complex history of things in Europe at the time.)

As far as relations, there are, unfortunately, lingering resentments in the Reformed/protestant denominations against Rome which heavily persecuted the followers of Luther and Calvin. It wasn't until Vatican II that the Roman church really reached out (somewhat) to Protestants. But I agree with you - siding with Muslims against Rome because of past relations is just idiotic.

D335 said...

Even IF Jesus spoke in english and arabic as "hey dude, I'm God", recorded and televized world wide,
Samatar Mohammed still not believe in Jesus. Simple as that.

that's point 1

God reached for you and yet you deny him Samatar. Sure, Islam may have it's own way of salvation trough Muhammad. But funny for a religion based on Jews and Christianity, muslims call Jesus /Isa the son of Mary as "AL-MASIH"
or the saviour.
What's that "Al-Masih" for? Just a title with no purpose?

that's point 2

To believe in Muhammad denies Jesus and the rest of the prophets.
In example, What's Jesus works in Quran? strolling around until 34 yrs old, doing some magic tricls and then suppose to be crucified but gone to heaven instead?
No need for Jesus then, Samatar will sufficed.

And the rest of the prophets that told the coming of the Messiah? Were they on crack? Why would they carry such prophecies? The bible is wrong again?

that's point 3

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

Hey Samatar,

Since you have probably not taken the time to read God’s genuine revelation I thought I’d provide you with yet another example of the way rebels always demand that God do just a little more to make his message clear. This one is from the story of the rich man and Lazarus found in the Gospel of Luke chapter 16


The rich man said, 'Then I beg you, father Abraham, send Lazarus to my father's house, where I have five brothers. Let him go and warn them so that they, at least, will not come to this place of pain.'

Abraham said, 'Your brothers have Moses and the prophets to warn them; your brothers should listen to what they say.' The rich man answered, 'That is not enough, father Abraham! But if someone were to rise from death and go to them, then they would turn from their sins.' But Abraham said, 'If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone were to rise from death.' "
(Luke 16:27-31 GNB)

End quote:

Does the attitude of the rich man sound familiar? You see there is a long history of sinners complaining that God has not done enough to keep folks out of hell.

But as Abraham points out the problem is not that God is unclear it’s that rebels refuse to listen.

The sad appendedum to the story is now you have the additional evidence that the rich man demanded and you still refuse to repent and submit to God.

You now would have us think that if only he uttered a particular phrase then you will repent and believe.

color me sceptical.

Your continued rebellion proves Abraham’s prediction right and at the same time proves that God is just in punishing those who have never heard the gospel.


Tatersalad said...

CAIR - the hypocrites that they are!

Turker said...


free said...

I suppose you didn't read any of the other posts regarding this topic. Of if you did read them you still insist that Jesus should outright state that He is God and that all should worship Him.

If he did say that, would you really believe him? Or would you discount it because he is just a man after all? You already reject what he said and what was said about him because he was "just a man".

Could God come and reveal himself as a man? If you read Genesis 18 then you see that the Lord (YHWH) appears to Abraham as a man. The Lord appeared to Abraham with two other fellows. He proves he is YHWH by his omniscience. He asks "Where is your wife Sarah?" as if he didn't know but the when she laughs to herself about a comment he made he asks, "Why did Sarah laugh and say 'Will I really have a child, now that I am old?'" He knew her thoughts. So this was YHWH manifest as a man and he ate and drank with Abraham.

If you continue to read in Genesis 19 then you find that the other two men were angels of the Lord. But the Lord stayed longer chatting with Abraham about the fate of Sodom. In Genesis 19:24 we find the Lord (YHWH) arrives at Sodom and pronounces his judgment and calls down burning sulfur from the Lord (YHWH) in heaven. Note the 2 references to the YHWH. This hints at God the Father in heaven and God somebody else as man on earth. That somebody else is the Son of God. So when Jesus indicated that he met Abraham in John 8 he was talking about this encounter with Abraham.

Anonymous said...

These Muslims don't understand. Even if Jesus says "I am God, worship Me" the Muslims wouldn't do it. For example, Jesus says many, many times, that He is the Son of God. But yet Muslims say He is not, because the Quran says, Allah cannot begot and Allah wasn't begotten. The Christians say Christ is the Son of Allah. So basically they are just saying that, for the same of argument.

I believe 100% that Jesus (Yeshua) is the Son of God. He is God that became flesh and dwelt among us. He saved us from our sins. For there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. He is the Messiah and the Savior of mankind. I know that if I die, I will be in Heaven with The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit forever. That is something a Muslim could never say because a Muslim will never know until the day of judgement. Even Muhammed didn't know if he would be in heaven, but yet I have that confidence because I am saved by my Savior, Jesus Christ.

Unknown said...

All christains I Challenging you.
Please Read Your Bible and Show me any Verse which says This is Bible from God??? the Word of Bible is not Mentioned in the Bible!!! I don't know who Named this Book as BIBLE !!!
in the Koran you can see hundreds that God saying this Koran From God. This Koran Revalation from God.
Another challenge:
Please Show me One verse which Jesus saying " I am God Wordhip Me?
Another Challenge:
The Name of Jesus in Hebrew is not Jesus but issa, so He Called him Jesus??? where are you taken this Name??
I am confident that you never answer these challanges

Unknown said...

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This link will provide answers for all your questions.

Unknown said...

Ahmed Deedat gives straight forward points and proof, Josh Mcdowell reads from a paper, where he said around 5 give of take stories which had no proof OR nothing to do with the debate, he just played with your emotions, for some people. If you are interested on finding the truth continue clicking on videos after this video is done where related debates like "Is Jesus God" or "Is the bible word of God" etc. And keep watching until you find truth.

Unknown said...

Jesus was not the name of Jesus? Bible is not the name of Bible? Word "Christianity" he pbuh never heard in his life time? Last but not the least Jesus was not born on 25th of December?

Ahmed Deedat is correct; Christianity desperately in need to crucify Jesus.

Mathew Ch 12: 38-40 proves that Jesus pbuh was not crucified.

At any point in the Bible if the above verse contradicts than it is not the word of God!

Unknown said...

Hi All,

All Christians are still in misunderstanding. Ahmed Deedat had told " I was dead and I have come back from death". And the sentences from Book of Revelation is

"I am he that a liveth, and was b dead; and, behold, I am alive for
c evermore, Amen; and have the d keys
of e hell and of death.

This is very clear both sentences are not the same meaning. But Christians does trying to prove and they need to prove by hook or crook that Jesus was dead and resurrected.

All are fake because;

- Bible is not the words of God.
- Paul has written most of the new statement and its his creation.

I am asking Christians to show their proof agin,