Last year, I was scheduled to debate Osama Abdallah in Michigan, but he cancelled on the day of the debate. Due to this cowardly display, we weren't going to deal with him again. However, after I debated Nadir Ahmed last month, Osama came on this blog, boasting that he is finally willing to face me. He even agreed to debate Sam Shamoun, and Osama has repeatedly affirmed that he won't back out of the debates.
Well, Sam and I are here in Phoenix, ready for action. But Osama isn't coming. Time wasted. Money wasted. People will show up tomorrow to watch debates, only to see lectures.
I suppose his career was going to be over either way. I wonder what excuses Osama will come up with in order to justify his cowardice.
Say what you want about Nadir Ahmed, but at least he showed up to his debates.
***UPDATE***
For those of you who suspected that Osama may have had a "valid" excuse for not showing up, here's the best he could come up with:
David,
I called George Seige from the Dulles Airport and had him speak with one of the staff of United Airlines. There two main problems that prevented me from coming:
1- I didn't know that United Airlines has a policy of not allowing a passenger from checking in if he comes 1/2 or less before departure. I came a little less than 1/2 hour before departure and had no check-in luggage. I was ready to walk right in through security, but United didn't let me.
2- I tried rescheduling for another flight, but the next flight was booked. It was a connect flight to Chicago (I believe). The earliest I could've gotten to Phoenix was by 7:00 pm on Sunday.
As to ending my career, I couldn't hold myself from laughing at this one! You are too silly if you think that I care oneway or another about debating again. But Allah Almighty is my Witness I did not back down. George spoke with a United Airlines staff ON MY CELL PHONE at Dulles Airport. I didn't know United had this ridiculous policy. Also, the distance between VA and AZ is too far. It's a four-day drive from I live. I couldn't have just driven there or just taken another flight.
Now you have a moral responsibility to not only allow this post of mine, but to also post it on the main page, or change your silly title about me backing down and ending my (debating) career (enough laughs at this one).
Now, next time (if there will even be a next time), I won't accept far distances. It's just too far. In fact, if one wants to debate me, I will most likely do a remote one at my home and on my computer. I think this is the best way to do debates, anyway.
Airports constantly tell people to show up 1-2 hours early for their flights (and they've been announcing this for years), but it seems that Osama Abdallah believed he could march through the security checks just before take-off. We can only wonder how eager Osama was to debate when, after promising not to miss the debates, he showed up to the airport a few minutes before his plane was scheduled to leave!
111 comments:
You can look on the bright side David, Osama was consistant.
Consistantly absent but he was consistant.
He was afraid of you and the Assyrian Encyclopedia!!!
lol. Why did he cancel it? Maybe there was a good reason?
The only reason Islam still exists is out of fear and ignorance. Thats why when a Muslim realizes how ridiculous, inconsistent, and contradictory Islam is they slaughter them. Thats why they have blasphemy laws. Islam dying everyday through education and integrity! Good bye Osama and answering Christianity! Next, Islam!
He backed out? Maybe he got arrested up for solicitation of cheep Latina prostitutes in Phoenix
Any one who have any sense will back out.
Did Osama give any particular reason for his absence?
GLORY BE TO GOD. i see the victory in this back out.
Dear Dr. David & Brother Divine Search Engine Sam Shamoun, I give all the glory and honour to YAHWEH. I was waiting to ask him again to whom Allah is praying. You made me proud. There is no muslim who can stand you today on earth.
MAY YAHWEH BE WITH you always IN JESUS' NAME AMEN.
David -
Can you give some details about what you will be doing instead?
Also, before you guys present tomorrow (instead of debate=(, will you be able to speak to the audiences and explain to them what happened and why you think it did.
Who knows, perhaps we can shame Osama into an apology?
Here's hoping ...
Vocab
I think his goat ate his paper
Come on Mr Abdallah. You can do it! I will be cheering for you!
i guess hes working on numerical miracles in the "noble" quran.
like if addthe first for letters to the last 3 and mutlyply by 600 ad divide by 5 and then add 150 and then subtract x we will get 1. see the quran is perfectly preserved !!!
and yes semen comes from the backbone!!
Anyways good job david and sam you guys are not scared cos you have the truth on your side.
I pray that the reason of his cancellation is that he receives Jesus Lord as his Saviour.
LOL! I guess he was not a worthy opponent anyway! You guys are really humble and generous for even accepting debate this guy who thinks that the semen comes from the backbone and tells Nabil Quraishi that if the science doesn't agree that semen comes from the backbone then maybe it hasn't yet discovered it and maybe this is something for Nabil and other doctors to look into and try to discover! I mean Wow! What marvelous reasoning!
With this level of "quickness" on his intellectual feet he better run away before the debate starts!!!
The truth shall prevail and this cancelation and others go on to show that these Muslims KNOW deep down that the excuses that they are making for their religion are phony and ridiculous. They don't buy them either but they are too proud and too stubborn to give up Islam! There is the rare open-minded individual like Farhan Qureishi who would stop the hypocrisy and goes where the evidence leads him.
Osama, you are a coward and a hypocrite!!!!
If Osama Abdullah has some shame he should never come back to this blog again
This coward email forger Osama Abdallah calls Lord Jesus a rat saying that your God ran away to Egypt to hide Himself from the hands of Herod.
I heard him once or twice saying so...thats nothing but a blasphemy.
Now where did Osama run when Wood and Shamoun were ready for the debate in await of him ?
I read his comments on this very blog and still remembers his boastful words that he wrote.
Right said someone that empty vessels makes much noises.
Guys, please give mr. Abdallah the benefit of doubt. I know that he has backed out before, but he might be seriously ill or something similar.
In relation to the debates, he is clearly the loser, and it is probably not very easy for him. So please show a little compassion.
I know it is frustrating that he first boasts and taunts and then backs out from the debate. But if he really is a scared bully, then we should pray for him. Not mock him.
Kim, it's not the first time he cancelled out of a debate.
The first time, okay. The second, well, it's a little embarrassing but maybe there is a good reason.
I don't think this is the second time though. It tends to be a habit to schedule a debate and then withdrawl.
Nadir Ahmed, who has threatened physical violence to Osama, isn't much better. Asa matter of fact go to the nadir ahmed links and click on his debate with Dr. James White. Nadir lost it and started rambling on during the closing arguments of his debate that he doesn't sleep with prostitutes and doesn't participate in muta.
But Nadir still showed up.
That's too his credit.
PRAISE THE LORD,
Osama Abdullah, except Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour, Amen.
Bye the way Kim can you find out for us what was the reason that he never show up?
Peace.
Did he give any reason? Maybe there were family matters to attend to or something.
Mr Wood, did you receive any news of Osama Abdallah that why he did not come so far ?
Osama,
Technically, a debate isn't a matter of "winning" and "losing" It is simply presenting contrasting viewpoints about a matter so that everyone can logically decide the merits of one over the other in a question.
If you just give the Muslim viewpoint, you have already "won" because that is all you are asked to do. And I will be hoping that you do your best. Even if I don't agree with you, I want you to do your best.
If it is a matter of fear or shyness, please change your mind. I know you can do this. You do it all the time.
Osama,
And don't forget I am praying for you, exactly like I promised. If you debated in Detroit, I would even come watch.
@ Kim and GAP
He knew prior and he has a history of this. Short of someone in his immediate family dying unexpectedly or his plane crashing I can't think of a sufficient excuse.
And this is just like kim when she gets cornered she stops responding on that particular topic and waits for an opportunity where she feels she might be able to do some Dawah with Taqiyya!
@ APB That is hilarious!
In total shock,maybe Osamahad good reason but if he did he should have told David.
But probably there was no good reason.David and Sam did their part.If only the other Christian leaders were to take the time and effort to speak about why Islam is not the truth.
I tell you,in the various churches I have gone to neither the leaders nor the ordinary person ever researches.When I give them information they are not interested,it give a very negative impression.
I've the news from AP!
Wait here, Osama in Pakistan, stealth helicopter, Seal Team 6, oh wait...
wrong osama, back to work folks!
This is disappointing. I remember that Osama emphasized many times that he will NOT back out of the debates when this set of debates was discussed in an earlier thread. Oh well, you two would deserve better debate opponents anyway.
Hopefully you did manage to at least record some of the lectures (or have someone else do it).
Thank you Peter. Nice to see a positive comment/suggestion. Keep up the optimism!
I was driving by Osama's house and I think he was chasing a halal goat. Maybe the goat won.
Nadir ahmed is willing to make a fool of himself. He doesn't care how bad he is.
David,
I called George Seige from the Dulles Airport and had him speak with one of the staff of United Airlines. There two main problems that prevented me from coming:
1- I didn't know that United Airlines has a policy of not allowing a passenger from checking in if he comes 1/2 or less before departure. I came a little less than 1/2 hour before departure and had no check-in luggage. I was ready to walk right in through security, but United didn't let me.
2- I tried rescheduling for another flight, but the next flight was booked. It was a connect flight to Chicago (I believe). The earliest I could've gotten to Phoenix was by 7:00 pm on Sunday.
As to ending my career, I couldn't hold myself from laughing at this one! You are too silly if you think that I care oneway or another about debating again. But Allah Almighty is my Witness I did not back down. George spoke with a United Airlines staff ON MY CELL PHONE at Dulles Airport. I didn't know United had this ridiculous policy. Also, the distance between VA and AZ is too far. It's a four-day drive from I live. I couldn't have just driven there or just taken another flight.
Now you have a moral responsibility to not only allow this post of mine, but to also post it on the main page, or change your silly title about me backing down and ending my (debating) career (enough laughs at this one).
Now, next time (if there will even be a next time), I won't accept far distances. It's just too far. In fact, if one wants to debate me, I will most likely do a remote one at my home and on my computer. I think this is the best way to do debates, anyway.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
"Muhammad said that "War is deceit."
Last year, I was scheduled to debate Osama Abdallah in Michigan, but he cancelled on the day of the debate. Due to this cowardly display, we weren't going to deal with him again. However, after I debated Nadir Ahmed last month, Osama came on this blog, boasting that he is finally willing to face me. He even agreed to debate Sam Shamoun, and Osama has repeatedly affirmed that he won't back out of the debates.
Well, Sam and I are here in Phoenix, ready for action. But Osama isn't coming. Time wasted. Money wasted. People will show up tomorrow to watch debates, only to see lectures.
I suppose his career was going to be over either way. I wonder what excuses Osama will come up with in order to justify his cowardice.
Say what you want about Nadir Ahmed, but at least he showed up to his debates."
Response:
I already told you before that you were boycotted, and this is why I cancelled that debate, 3 or so years ago. I got pressured into not debating you from Muslims. It wasn't a "COWARD" act from me. I just didn't want to go against the will of my brothers and sisters. This debate's absense, however, was a total bad luck! I probably should've come an hour earlier, which is frustratingly boring to get stuck in airports for this long, but I know that I wasn't runny late at all. The other airlines that I've used and always used don't have that stupid "No Entrance before 1/2 of Departure" policy, which caught me entirely by surprise! I too was very frustrated. George called me 1 hour after my flight departed, AND I WAS STILL AT THE AIRPORT! Either you didn't speak with George, or George here was the "coward" who didn't share this piece with you. Either way, it was bad luck. Things happen. It's not the end of the world. Quit crying like a female dog in heat! You sound more and more ridiculous when you always bring Islam up, negetavily, in everything. And all you say are lies anyway about my charished faith.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Nice try, Osama. It was 2010 (i.e. last year), not three years ago. And you're willing to break your word in order to please your Muslim brothers? So you're admitting that your word means very little to you. (If all of my Christian brothers combined tried to convince me to break my word, I'd still keep my word, because I have integrity.)
To top things off, you've called me a "female dog in heat." Everyone knows what that means.
I could return insult for insult, but I'd rather just go after your prophet. I'll have a special video about Muhammad on Friday, dedicated to you.
At least Osama found something to make his muslim brethren to hide their shame!
Osama-cut the crap.
EVERYONE KNOWS airport check in and security procedures!
If you were flying to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj you wouldn't show up 1/2 hour before the flight. You wouldn't even show up an hour before the flight.
If you were flying to Cancun, on someone else's dime let's say, you'd still show up on time.
I don't buy your arguments.
I don't buy your lame excuse that the last debate was cancelled because your muslim brothers and sisters asked you to do it. I haven't heard such a lame excuse for backing out of a debate since Sheik Awal backed out of the second debate with James White because his mosque didn't want him to debate because David Wood/Nabel Quereshi were arrested in dearborn.
No...take that back. That was still a lame excuse.
David I hope you have Osama blacklisted from here on out and let everyone know what he's done in the past.
The only good thing about all this is you have the floor to talk about islam and teach people what the religion teaches.
@ David Wood ---
I really wonder that after being remaining a failure and giving excuses for not being able to come, this fellow is such a shameless one that he hasn't refrained from coming and insulting again by addressing you " female dog in heat " .....
Well I am eagerly waiting for the visual you gonna dedicate to Osama Abdallah on Friday.
This is why we ought only to engage respectable debaters.
LOL Nabeel, when did you wake up?! We thought you already left David's team.
David, sorry about the "female dog in heat" insult.
All, whether you wanna claim that I backed out or not, I gave my explanation. I am sorry to have disappointed you. I myself was very disappointed. It's really too bad that I couldn't make it.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Osama,
Where is your "Sorry"?
Mr. Abdallah,
On top of being an appalling debater you are also a very arrogant, rude and bad-mannered human being! Apparently not only do you not know when you have the burden of proof in a debate, but also you do not understand when you have the burden of a humble apology in life!
Two sentences "I am SO SORRY!!" + "Please forgive me for my mess-up!" would have recovered at least some of your lost credit! But Instead you come here and brazenly demand that David Wood post your lame excuse for missing the debate as if that pathetic excuse was in anyway going to exonerate you! And then you call David wood to whom you own an apology this very very rude and nasty names!!! Have you no shame?
When you schedule an appointment (ANY APPOINTMENT) with another person and make him commit his time and money to be in a certain place at a certain time to meet you it is your ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that YOU WILL BE THERE at the agreed upon time!
If your plane was canceled or crashed down or was victim of a terrorist attack or hijacking or if you would have fallen and broken your leg or had come down with a horrible strand of flu virus you could come here and say "bad things happen". But when you are so irresponsible and lazy that you don't get thyself on time to airport and miss your plane you cannot say "things happen"!!! The "Thing" didn't just happen! You caused it to happen by your nonchalant messiness and lack of punctuality and you should take responsibility, man up and apologize to David Wood for breaking your word and wasting his time!
He also came from far away and he came to meet you at the appointed time. I know he is an infidel and you consider him inferior to you! We all know what you Muslims think about us, but that doesn't change the fact that you gave him your word to be there and he counting on that devoted his time and energy and resources to fulfill his side of the agreement and you by your irresponsibility wasted his time and resources. I would say even if you had a truly valid and respectable excuse (which you do NOT) you should have still said sorry to him to show your regret for his wasted time!
But it seems that you are so badly brought up and so arrogant and narcissistic that you think you have no obligation to keep your word to other people and you don't value their time. On top of your arrogant and nonchalant excuse making and lack of remorse for your costly mistake you have the audacity to also insult David Wood and call him those horrible words????!!!!
I think you owe David Wood a very serious and humble apology for wasting his time by your irresponsibility, but more importantly for calling him those ugly words that really shouldn't come out of any self-respecting and decently brought-up person's mouth anyway especially towards someone who has been just wronged by him!!
HA HA HA HA HA,.
Oh this is to funny. OSAMA ABDULLAH shows up a half hour before the fligh is to take off with NO lugage.
He is lucky he didnt get a full caveity body search LOL.
David,
Let me ask....is it possible to have Osama on skype?
If it's possible, he doesn't have to be in phoenix and if he tries to weasel out again he has to work harder at it.
A quick seacrh on Google: How early should i be to airport!
Most US airlines have printed their preferred time schedule on their tickets, which you can treat as your guideline to aid you to calculate how early you should arrive in the airport. The standard timing mentioned is one hour before a domestic flight and two hours prior to an international flight.
However, many airlines now recommend two hours before a domestic flight and three prior an international flight, especially if the threat advisory level is at yellow or higher. Due to the tight security measures in recent times, airports no longer allow checking in for your flight from curbside. All other offsite airport check-ins are no longer available either. Hence, you are bound to get into the long queue to use the check-in counters to check your luggage, which is much more time consuming.
Standard check in times. Any easy check on Google or Bing or a dial up phone service you have had since 1995 would answer this.
I would have to imagine that common sense or watching TV in the last ten years would tell you that you need a little more time. This is preposterous! he as no integrity! And anyone that would consult him for information is a fool. Everything he says and does is suspect. Just like Islam ad Mohamed!
I am curious as to what other airline he previously used doesn't suggest you get there an hour early.
Jeopardy theme shall ensue!
@ Deleting.
No we shouldn't censor. Truth always defeats falsehood. So the more they come, especially the likes of Osama, the ore they expose the hypocrisy, inconsistency, logical fallacy, and falsehood of Islam and Mohamed!
Thats what they do. Kill apostates, and critics to censor and hide in the darkness. Evil blasphemy laws to shelter the lies and emptiness of Islam.
We want true transparency!
David Wood,
A Muslim is not at war with anyone, unless there is a good reason. Why did you start your title about me with "war is deceit in Islam"? And by the way, doesn't your religion also support the same concept about war is deceit anyway?
But who told you that I was at war with you or with anyone? Frankly David, this seems to tell a bit about YOUR personal character. May be you should look into that. Just an advise.
I am not at war with you, David. Debates are not wars. And Allah Almighty clearly told us:
[060:008] Allah does not forbid you to be just and righteous towards those who did not go into battle against you , and did not expel you from your homes. Deal with them justly. Allah loves those who are just.
You might have narrations from our Islamic sources that may support your claims about Muslims can be obnoxious (before this Noble Verse and many others like It were revealed in the Holy Quran), but this Noble Verse came as a response to the Muslims, and to your narrations (if you have any)to set the record straight about dealing with the average person on this earth; that a non-Muslim is not an automatic enemy! I am a Muslim who whole heartedly believe in this.
Again, I apologize for calling you a female dog in heat. I just want you to know that Muslims are not what you may think they are. We're not these sneaky evil people who hate everybody, and are after everybody. Again, maybe you should review your own character about this, David. Just a friendly advise. It's obvious that you always see Muslims are very sneaky and evil people.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
I wonder how sam shamoun feels about Osama Adallah running from him and also other muslims like shabir ally and bassam? And also david wood you have done a excellant job exposing islam. Lord willing hopefully our brother sam gets a chance to destory these false teahers like shabir, bassam and others in public
And I just wanted to add one more thing. Osama Abdallah if you are really sincere about wanting to debate Sam Shamoun then you can either challenege him to a paltalk debate or you be on skype while sam is on the ABN set. side note: blog watch the Sam Shamoun and Osama Adallah debate on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWwzl0WJYNA here Shamoun exposes Osama... makes alot of sense why he wont debate Shamoun again and comes with a poor excuse
Osama,
Shame on you! You are pathetic just like your website!!! Instead of being profusely sorry for missing the flight you are throwing insults at David! The onus of appearing for a debate that is agreed upon is on you. I doubt that your story is genuine. You are either lying or at best you are a weasel! Even if one accepts your excuses you come across as a sloppy, unreliable and untrustworthy person who cannot keep his commitments.
Any normal person in your place with any bit of courtesy would be embarrassed, feel terribly sorry and apologize. But instead you are acting proud and as if it is David's fault. You are even resorting to insults! You lack any sense of decency, courtesy or good culture! Shame on you!
Osama,
Could you please provide a list of airports/airlines that you have used, which permit passengers to show up less than 30 mins before the scheduled departure time?
I have flown many, many times in my life and have never known any such policy to exist anywhere.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoping you will provide a list of well known airlines to back up your claims. If you don't, I will assume you to be an outright liar.
HAHAHA! This is a reflection of Davids character!
HAHAHAH! The darkness, the backwardness, the hypocrisy, the disrespect and total lack of integrity!LOL!
David didnt you know it would reflect on you what Osama does? How dare you. Why should you and the organizers and crowd have expected him to do what he says and then be upset that he didnt know he should be their early because of the terrible atrocity his Ummah committed against innocent civilians.
David how dare you cause 9-11 and everything that resulted from it. And how dare you make him call you a female dog in heat? David How dare you engage him? Didnt you know he wasnt going to do what he says and be responsible for his actions? David how dare you?
Do you get it? Does anyone see it? This is true insanity.. But do you see it everyone?
LoL...This is going extreme.
If Mr Abdallah is really serious about the debate.....then it is possible via video conference or on the instant messenger named Paltalk.
I wanna make a request to the both parties (if Osama Abdallah is really serious) to arrange a debate somehow what if not possible Abdallah to reach the destination he were supposed to reach.
Well, on second thoughts, Osama, you are a Muslim! I don’t want to stereotype every Muslim but when I come to think of it: when was the last time I saw a Muslim take responsibility for his mistakes and say sorry? Instead, I have seen Muslims give lame excuses (as they do for Muhammad even till today!) and act as if nothing happened i.e. erase or beautify history. And then they act prideful and resort to blaming and insulting others – especially those who confront them!
Islamic history is full of such examples. Germany took the responsibility for atrocities done to the Jews in World War II and made reparations. Germans as a nation have repented and words cannot express how terribly sorry they are about it. They made sure that future generations know about what happened, even the gruesome details of the holocaust. This subject is one of the most thoroughly dealt with in school, even taking school trips to former concentration camps. Germans want to make sure that nothing like this happens again! As far as I know, there is no such parallel in the Muslim world. What about Arabs who actually fought alongside Hitler? Where is their apology? Where is the apology from Turkey for the Armenian genocide? More than one million Armenians were killed by the Turks. But far from accepting the responsibility and repenting, they hide it under the carpet. They deny the historical fact and violently oppose anyone who confronts them with the facts. And I am still waiting for an apology from Muslims for the Islamic crusades! (The crusades by the Catholic Church were, after all, only a response that came after 460 years of the Islamic jihad.)
Osama all I'll say to you is this: Shabir Ally would have shown up.
Nadir would have shown up.
If you were sincere in the least you would have suggested doing the debate via skype.
This is nonsense, first abdalllah insults david, but later when try to apologize? He almost call david an islamophobe,this is a good example again of how muslims mind work...
btw its sad he didnt show up because islam couldnt be again exposed, so good move abdallah, you have no integrity but you are smart..
Osama,
Assuming you are willing to front up and take responsibility, are you willing to compensate the people who wasted their money for a debate that is not going to happen?
Also would you mind please telling us which airlines you have flown in the past? I'd be interested to know their procedures.
Thank you.
HA HA HA HA HA,.
Oh this is to funny. OSAMA ABDULLAH shows up a half hour before the fligh is to take off with NO lugage.
He is lucky he didnt get a full caveity body search LOL.
RESPONSE:
I had my personal carry-on luggage and small bad that required no check-in. I did say no CHECK-IN luggage in the previous post.
Osama abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
and would you need to unpack your carry on? You would if you had your laptop with you because that has to go through the scanner separately.
And your shoes.
And if there was also a spiral bound notebook they'll scrutinize that separately and pull you out of line to wave that wand thing over you.
I know. It happened to at Newark when my belt (which was apart of the pants set and couldn't be taken off) set the metal detector off.
Give it up. You have a lame excuse.
If you were passionate, you would have requested some way to have the debate done on skype.
David did he pay for the flight and accomodations to vegas or did the event plan it?
I hope you guys didn't pay him for this in advance.
In any case Deleting, the guy should compensate anyone who bought tickets for the debate including flight and accommodation, since Osama and he alone is responsible for this.
I find his excuse completely inadequate but at least I could have some level of respect for him if he actually fronts up and offers compensation.
This is no more simply about David vs Osama. Other people are now affected by this matter and it should be rectified by the responsible party, namely Osama himself.
Can anyone imagine the uproar if the situation were reversed?
“Quit crying like a female dog in heat!” (Osama Abdallah).
This man is simply following the example of his prophet who used to utter vile, profane, obscene language. See below for a partial account by Fr. Zakaria Botros translated by Raymond Ibrahim.
“Next, Fr Botros discussed the sort of foul language Muhammad -- the "greatest example" -- employed: "Sorry, so sorry to reveal to you the sort of despicable language Muhammad used—language I am too ashamed to even mention. In fact, your prophet said one of the most obscene Arabic words—the equivalent of the 'f-word' [he counseled his Arabic viewers to google the "f-word" to understand what he was talking about]. "
Refusing to pronounce or spell this word, which he said appears in 67 books, including Sahih Bukhari, the text containing this word, "inkat-ha" -- or, in context, Muhammad asking a man about a woman if he "f***** her" -- was portrayed on the screen for all to read.
Then, "Quick! take that filth down! What would you Muslims do if the Sheikh of al Azhar went around using such language? Worse -- it's your prophet, the 'greatest creation.'"
The host asked if Muhammad used any other foul language, to which the priest responded, "Oh, boy, did he ever; unfortunately this program is way too short to list them all."
According to Qaid al-Qadir (v.1, p.381), Muhammad told Muslims to retort to uppity infidels by saying things like -- again, he didn't pronounce it, but the text appeared on the screen -- "Go bite on your mother's clitoris!" or, according to Zad al-Mi'ad (v.3, p305), "Go bite on your dad's penis!"
Then, once again while shaking his head in sheer disappointment, "O prophet of Allah...prophet of Allah....Would that you would've heeded your lord Jesus' counsel: 'The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks' (Luke 6:45)."
Mr. Abdallah represents his prophet well.
I second Royalsons sugestion.
What do you say Osama are you going to reemberse those that because of your eiher lazyness, incompetence or both you managed to disapoint?
Osama what is the name of the airline that you previously used that allowed you to show up 15 minutes before take off. Come one now. substantiate your statement!
There is NO airline that permits or suggests this. You are a liar and it's clear for all to see!
Another nail in the coffin of Deedatism to the glory of Christ.
But wait, Osama's prophet can claim "but Allah wills it" on many occasions, such as marrying Aisha 6 yrs old, such as marrying Zainab, infact, for nearly everything.
Can Osama do the same thing?
"They won't let me in, I was late, but Allah wills it" ?
Nabeel is correct. Lets not debate Osama or Nadir EVER AGAIN. I was with George when he arranged the the debates with Osama and Osama PROMISED he would not back out. Just prives that Osama is a LIAR and cannot be trusted.
Why dont we try some Skpe debates with guys like Shabir some one at least who at least can make it a little more even.
In a way it is better for Osama to come up with lame excuses as he has rather then embarrass his religion by debating Sam. He would have done more harm to Islam, to his prophet and him self if he had debated Sam. The pathetic explanation he comes up with of his Quran are much more damaging then running late to catch a flight (probably intentionally).
How can you blame Osama for not showing up when he is doing a favor to his religion. The more Islam is talked about the more it is exposed of what it is. I have heard from many debaters that debates are also a kind of jihad. Moslims are defending Islam when their prophet and religion are questioned. So in jihad (war) you can use all kind of deceit for that is what thier prophet commanded them to do. Osama has used intelligence here by not debating brother Sam for he knows Sam was going to destroy him by the power of the true and living God.
My prayer is that all moslims might come to know the truth which is only found in the word of God the Bible and obtain salvation thru our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. How long will you fight the true and living God of the Bible and stick to a religion of a man (Muhammad).
This jihadi should have gone with the chasing the halal goat excuse. Bin laden, nadir ahmed, zaki nutjob, osama abduallah.....these muslims are all the same. Liars and calculating jihadis.
All sons of female dogs in heat.
How do you know when a muslim is lying, their lips are moving.
@SGM
At some point, I was wondering why the moslems need to debate at all.
Their breeding rate and their ideology to stop anyone looking in depth into Muhammad has proven enough the real power of their domination on this world. Exactly like a cancer.
Sigh. More lambs to the slaughter.
The EXTREMELY HATEFUL bigots and their bigotry on this board are really sick! So now, for me as a Muslim, an accident or bad luck would never and must never be accepted by anyone to would have happened just for the simple bigot fact that I am a Muslim? Somehow, the idea of me honestly missing a flight is absolutely impossible to you?!
Let me explain my point again to your brains, since they were shut the first time with all of the hate that they were processing: THE GEORGRAPHIC LOCATION/DISTANCE BETWEEN VA AND AZ WAS TOO FAR! It would've taken me 4 days (at least) to drive to AZ and save the debates! George Siege's choice was poor for choosing AZ. It left me with no choice. The next flight was booked, and the one after it would've brought me to AZ by 7:00 pm Sunday night. GOT IT?! Is it really too hard, for you bigots, to understand even this much?
As to my 1/2 hour-prior-to-departure arrival, it was totally justified! It would've taken me 10 minutes to go through security, maximum 10 minutes to walk to the gate, and 10 minutes to wait to board inside the airplane. I've done it many times in the past, but never with this airline, United Airlines.
You guys are very disgusting! What kind of Christ do you represent, or even believe in?! You can't even bring yourselves to speak one kind word in the load-of-garbage-paragraphs that you spew when you talk about Islam and Muslims. You guys are too sick!
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Hello Mr. Ossama!
As usual I just want to ask you a simple question please. Is deceit accepted in islam?
You used taquiyya about Allah praying and this time you did the same with thousand if not millions who were waiting to watch this debate. Again please be sincere this time in answering my question. Is deceit accepted in islam?
I haven't heard much from Ms. Kim.
Ms. Kim please search for the truth as I did, read, ask questions in order to learn more so that you can know where you are atanding. Do not perish because of lack of knowledge.
If only Mr. Ossama had not back down he was going to cause more damage and expose islam. In fact I was praying that the debate shouldn't take place in case Mr. Ossama had malicious plan. He dilikes "Divine Search Engine" Brother Sam Shamoun with all his mind, heart and body. In fact I think he was planning in that direction and perhaps was waiting for a go ahead before he could make a move; and the call came at the last 1/2 hour or so.
Dear Dr. David and Brother Sam Shamoun as I said in my previous post there is no muslim and ther will never be a muslim on earth who can stand you. Your work and researhes have closed all doors for muslims. Their quran witnesses this claim. Surat 3 Ayah 55 and I qoute "(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ" (Pickthall).
Victory is ours in CHRIST JESUS. AMEN
MAY YAHWEH BE WITH YOU ALL IN JESUS' NAME AMEN
OK guys, I think you have proven your points.
There's no need to put Mr. Abdallah down any further.
I don't think that Mr. Abdallah's reason for cancelling is very good. If he really wanted to debate, then he would have made sure to catch the plane or to leave early enough to be able to catch another plane in case he missed it. So I think that we can conclude that he prioritized other things over attending the debate.
I also think that some of Mr. Abdallah's comments are rude.
But on the other hand some of the comments here about Mr. Abdallah are also very rude.
And eventually Mr. Abdallah wrote "I am sorry to have disappointed you. I myself was very disappointed."
I think that everybody should accept this apology and forgive Mr. Abdallah. Forgiveness is not the same as just pretending something didn't happen. You don't have to forget to forgive. So based on the cancellation of the debate, perhaps it is not a good idea to have debates with Mr. Abdallah in the future. Or maybe it is. Maybe David Wood or Sam Shamoun will agree to debate Mr. Abdallah some other time under different circumstances. Time will tell.
In any case I ask you to please stop the animosity against Mr. Abdallah even though you are frustrated with him. One person suggested that Mr. Abdallah should compensate for some lost money. I don't know i this is a real issue, but I think that it is a very bad idea to argue over money. Therefore, if that is in fact the real problem - if it somes down to an argument about money - then I will be happy to pay for Mr. Abdallah in order to end the feud. Simply write me in this thread and I will pay for him.
Please continue the good work with debating against Islam. It is important to show that the muslim way is wrong and that Mohammad's teachings are false and dangerous. Peace.
Osama said: "George Siege's choice was poor for choosing AZ."
Osama, as I recall, you were the one who challenged David and Sam. David then mentioned that they would be in AZ at the end of October and you quickly accepted. Don't blame George. Join the club and blame yourself. Then we will all be on the same page.
TSA IS NOT REQUIRED TO LIVE IN OSAMA LA-LA LAND! They are under
N-O- OBLIGATION to let YOU OR ANYONE get on a flight if you were too lazy or stupid to get to the airport an hour or two before the flight LIKE ALL THE AIRLINES TELL YOU DO!
Quit blaming George. Quit blaming David and Sam. Quit blaming us because we're telling you the truth.
Or...you know...just quit posting if you don't like being told the truth.
Osama, is there any way you can make this up? Is there some other venue that could work for you?
I was thinking maybe Sam shamoun should debate Bassam Zawadi. Zawadi has gained more experience and is perorming extremely well (If anyone saw the debate between James white and Bassam Zawadi). I love my muslim brothers Nadir Ahmed and Osama Abdullah, but I would prefer Sam shamoun to debate Bassam Zawadi. I do not know if this can be arranged, but if it could, I personally think it would be a must watch debate.
@Osama
what is a "bigot"? can we buy it in a store? does it comes in choco or vanilla?
Peter,
I appreciate your tone and loving character brother. I will make a few brief points.
I agree that we Christians should not turn Osama's folly into a license to mock and insult, for it is not becoming of a Christian.
You mention forgiveness, and yes I agree we are indeed called upon to forgive. However, I do not feel it appropriate to demand forgiveness when it is not mine to grant. I am not one of the people he affected. Others are. It would not be in my proper place to demand that the people affected forgive him, especially in light of the nature of his so-called apology. I certainly agree however that the constant barrage of insults and attacks upon his character do need to stop. They do not bode well for our testimony.
Furthermore, what I see in Osama is not really a genuine repentence, as his "apologies" are quickly followed up with further insults and passing blame.
This is not simply a matter about Osama and David or Osama and George. This matter now involves all the people who spent money to attend the debate. People spent money for debate tickets, plane tickets, other travel expenses, accommodation, and so on.
I would think that it is fitting that Mr. Abdallah take genuine, solid, heart-felt responsibility by offering a compensation of sorts.
This matter has been raised by myself twice before this post as well as seconded by Radical Moderate. As such, I am rather surprised that rather than at least acknowledge the recommendation, that he instead perpetuates ill-feeling (as do some of the posters here as well to be honest).
I would like to see a plan of action from Osama.
Osama: "So now, for me as a Muslim, an accident or bad luck would never and must never be accepted by anyone to would have happened just for the simple bigot fact that I am a Muslim?"
So which was it? An accident or bad luck?
Osama: "As to my 1/2 hour-prior-to-departure arrival, it was totally justified! It would've taken me 10 minutes to go through security, maximum 10 minutes to walk to the gate, and 10 minutes to wait to board inside the airplane. I've done it many times in the past, but never with this airline, United Airlines."
I've seen a number of people ask you which airline allowed you to do this in the past and you still haven't answered this question.
Samatar.I have contacted bro Sam.He is willing to debate Bassam.It is Bassam Zawadi who is running away from him though Sam wants to debate him.Bassam will always want to make excuses as he knows he cant get away with Sam on islamic topics as he gets away with others.Sam is a very very tough debater.So its not possible for Bassam to make himself look smart.That is why he is making excuses for not debating him
Search4Truth,
You obviously have minimal knowledge about domestic travel in the US. Most of the airlines wouldn't block you from entering, especially when you've ordered online (electronically). You asked for an example: Southwest Airlines. I've flown with them for many years. They used to have a great program where for every four flights ordered online, you get one free. I used to give those free flights to my mother.
I think the problem with United here is that too many of their domestic flights are connect flights to international flights. Yes, when you fly internationally, you are required to be there an hour or so before departure. In the case of United Airlines, it's probably 1/2 hour. All of the other airlines that I've flown were domestic ones, when I traveled from US-State to US-State. Let this be a warning to all of us; that carriers that fly internationally have different rules.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Osama,
I believe you. Back in the day, it was nothing to be able to slide onto a plane at the very last minute. And also, when my husband was taking business trips, my sons and would stay with him up to the very last second when he got on the plane.
My sons and I could kiss him goodbye right before he got on the plane. Also, we could meet him, right as he got off. I was a nervous, tired wife, and I really needed those last minutes with my husband.
Unfortunately, flying became much more dangerous in the last twenty years, due to a certain religion's beliefs that it was their religious duty to teach Americans a lesson in the middle of a flight.
When that happened we all payed a price. Women had to decide which kind of modesty they were willing to lose. I had to drive more, because I didn't want to be exposed naked at the airport.
I'm not blaming you, or any other Muslim that I know and care about. I'm just reminding you that there are elements of your religion that made this happen. I live in Detroit, and I was right here when the Underwear Bomber attempted to explode an airplane literally over my head.
Please try to make up for your lost debate. It doesn't matter that you "win" That isn't what debating is about. Debating is about evaluating two opposing viewpoints, against each other. I believe you can do this.
"I would think that it is fitting that Mr. Abdallah take genuine, solid, heart-felt responsibility by offering a compensation of sorts."
Response:
Why should I compensate anyone when the crowd who attended, expecting a debate, got one-sided attacks on Islam that went totally unchallenged? If anything, this had given Islam's opponents a much better opportunity to present their case. I also paid for the airline and booked for the hotel from my pocket. I still have credit with the airline, but the point I am making is that no one paid for any of my expenses, and certainly, I don't think I am obligated to pay anyone anything.
As to your comment: "I would think that it is fitting that Mr. Abdallah take genuine, solid, heart-felt responsibility by offering a compensation of sorts."
What difference will it make anyway, to you and your bigots on this board, when a Muslim makes a "genuine, solid, heart-felt" action towards any of you? Not that I feel I owe anyone anything, except for an apology to George, David and Sam and the rest of the crew, but still, even with that, why should I even bother doing it when I know it'll be flushed down the toilet by you? So why not take the other to-hell-with-you-bigots approach?
But despite all of this, I'd like to tell George Seige, Sam Shamoun, David Wood and the other people who were expecting me to come to the debate that I am sorry for missing the debate! It was not intentional.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Donna60 - with all due respect, "back in the day" effectively ended 10 years ago. Unless Osama has been living under a rock, there is no way that he could not have known about airline procedures. I do not fly and I am aware. Early check in, no liquids, molestation by TSA etc...
Osama - You could greatly help your case by forwarding David all of your prepared materials to prove that you did in fact have every intention of honoring your commitment. I doubt this is important to you, as your attitude so far has been very disrespectful. David and his team flew to Phoenix on DONATIONS. How dare you?
Osama, thank you for your response. As I mentioned before, I cannot demand an apology because it has nothing to do with me. However, to help your reputation with the audience, I recommended that you offer a compensation of sorts to those people who spent money on tickets for debates that would never eventuate.
It seems that now you have not only insulted me, who spoke no insulting words to you sir, not only to David, Sam, and George who you were supposedly "apologising" to, but also now to your audience.
It is unfortunate that you have taken this route.
I will say no more on the issue.
A lot of people here are saying really nasty things.
Don't you think it would be a good idea to ban these kind of people, David?
Osama said -
"Why should I compensate anyone when the crowd who attended, expecting a debate, got one-sided attacks on Islam that went totally unchallenged?"
Osama, this is a bit strange ... remember, your Qur'an attacks Christian doctrine in a most one-sided and unfair manner (especially in that it completely misrepresents what we actually believe).
I was in attendance for Sam's lectures on Christology. It was not really an attack on Islam but rather a positive presentation on the deity of Christ - he was very fair. If anything, he was hard on the Christians in the audience for not speaking up more when he asked questions!
We were all very let down you did not come, although it was not totally unexpected based on previous events.
I will let David know when he have the audio (and maybe video) done and he could put it online and I guess you could try to respond to it then?
vM!
"I would think that it is fitting that Mr. Abdallah take genuine, solid, heart-felt responsibility by offering a compensation of sorts."
Response:
Why should I compensate anyone when the crowd who attended, expecting a debate, got one-sided attacks on Islam that went totally unchallenged? If anything, this had given Islam's opponents a much better opportunity to present their case. I also paid for the airline and booked for the hotel from my pocket.
Osama this was part of the question we all had: did you fly out on your dime or someone elses.
You said you paid for the flight and accomodations. Fine.
The confusion was who paid for it. Now that its answered fine. You ate your own ticket.
But the poster was respectful despite how much you hate the question. Don't call them a biggot.
wyllow,
I know that it was ten years ago. I know all too well. I used to not mind flying. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either.
Now I hate it. You used to be able to bring food and drink from home onboard. Now you have to discard everything, even unopened bottles of water. You have to purchase everything once you've gone though your full body search, and it is so dang expensive, you almost have to take out a loan to buy a sandwich.
You can't take hand lotion onboard. You can't take a bottle of perfume to priss up before you meet someone meeting you at the airport.
It is so uncomfortable. But I feel that we should give Osama the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he really didn't know. Since he hates travelling so much, obviously he doesn't do much of it.
Maybe he would like a second chance to do this debate a different way. Air-flight is a hardship for some kinds of people.
donna he said in his last post he flies a lot on southwest and every fifth flight he'd give to his mom.
So he flies alot. He also issued the challenge.
He goofed up and doesn't want to admit why.
I understand benefit of the doubt but i don' think this fits that situation. IMO.
Osama, I have used Southwest, and all I can say is that if you had good luck with them, I haven't. They still insist that you get there two hours before departure. I'm not even sure that it has anything to do with the airliners. It has to do with TSA, and all the strip-searches they do.
They have to examine your boarding pass, again and again and again. You have to take off your shoes, extra sweaters, and anything else they want to look at. You didn't bring check on luggage, but they really don't care. You have to get in line with all of the other people and wait your turn.
Unless you live in a really small city, it is just crazy getting on board of an airplane these days.
Osama said, "So why not take the other to-hell-with-you-bigots approach?"
A fine example of a man following the commands of the Loving Allah, the Most Merciful.
Osama also said, "As to your comment: "I would think that it is fitting that Mr. Abdallah take genuine, solid, heart-felt responsibility by offering a compensation of sorts."
What difference will it make anyway, to you and your bigots on this board, when a Muslim makes a "genuine, solid, heart-felt" action towards any of you?"
It's called doing what's right. A righteous deed is not dependent on the response of the recipient(s) of that righteous deed.
Doesn't Islam teach you that? I guess not.
@ OSAMA
Now go ahead and tell us you werent saying that Southwest airline isnt the one you used to use that suggested being there 30 minutes before flight. And I have flown enough to know to be there at lest 60 minutes prior to flight. I would say that would be common sense by now.
More deception, deflection and disrespect!
http://www.cheapflights.com/airlines/Southwest-Airlines/
Southwest Airlines Check-in
Passengers can check in online, at check-in desks, at the departure gate or at self-service kiosks. Check-in times vary by airport, but Southwest suggests arriving between 60 and 90 minutes before your flight is due to depart.
Osama said:
"You asked for an example: Southwest Airlines. I've flown with them for many years."
http://www.southwest.com/html/air/airport-information.html
Is this a weak hadith perhaps?
Mr. Abdallah also forgot an important piece of the puzzle. 30 minutes before departure does not equal 30 minutes before boarding time.
He had the illusion that he'd still have 10 minutes to wait in the lounge. Acutally no. Boarding would have taken place well before then. And then what happens?
Before the plane departs it goes into taxi mode, i.e. it follows a path until it reaches the runway. This process in itself often takes more than 10 minutes, it can even take up to half an hour or more depending on how many planes it has to wait to land/takeoff.
Not only so, but sometimes passengers have to get on a transfer bus from the departure lounge to the plane itself.
I'm not going to carry this on with Mr. Abdallah. I see no point. But I thought these points should be taken into account.
@ GAP Osama called David a female dog in heat.
Are you willing to be consistent and objective? Or continue to be inconsistent and subjective?
And has anyone equaled the depravity of that in any way? I'm sure you know what a female dog in heat is? Remember Mohamed commanded the killing of dogs as well.
Trying to have a Muslim take responsibility for theirs and Mohamed's actions is an impossibility. They can justify anything. Rape, murder, torture, adultery, child molestation, wife beating, extortion, theft. If they can do that with Mohamed, they think they can do it with everything.
but of course they only get away with it in their backward oppressive draconian Islamic nations!
Search 4 Truth,
You are getting more and more obnoxious. Everyone in the country, who flies in its airports, knows that you can board domestic flights 1/2 hour before departure. You can even come at last minute and still depart for as long as they didn't give your ticket to a "stand by" passenger. What you posted was their recomendation/suggestion to the passengers. Either you're ignorant or you're flat out liar. Either way, you're wrong.
Enough about this silly point already.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Osama said: "The EXTREMELY HATEFUL bigots and their bigotry on this board are really sick! So now, for me as a Muslim, an accident or bad luck would never and must never be accepted by anyone to would have happened just for the simple bigot fact that I am a Muslim?.... Is it really too hard, for you bigots, to understand even this much?.... What difference will it make anyway, to you and your bigots on this board... So why not take the other to-hell-with-you-bigots approach.."
WOW! You are now insulting others! You are proving to be a lot more obnoxious than I thought you were!
Remember, Osama, it is your own fault! Don't blame others. You are to blame yourself. As I said before, any normal person in your place with any bit of courtesy would be embarrassed, feel terribly sorry and apologize. Yes, things happen. But when things happen good mannered people feel embarassed and give a geniune apology immediately. You didn't apologize when you first wrote and when people started questioning, you gave, what seems to be, a halfhearted apology. Then again you quickly got back to throwing more insults and lame excuses. No wonder people don't trust you. You are showing a complete lack of decency, manners, courtesy and good culture! You should be ashamed of yourself!
And, Osama, stop that name calling! Everyone knows that you don't have any substance so you just keep calling others "bigots".
By the way, bigot is defined as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance". No one fits that definition better than your own prophet! Do you want some examples? I bet you would know enough, but people here will be glad to help you with it. And by that same definition most Muslims are bigots - you guys hate Jews, hate the west and intolerant to minorities and other religions. It will be silly of you to ask for examples if you follow this blog or read a newspaper! So my advise to you is to better stop name-calling for he who digs a pit will fall into it himself!
GAP said: "A lot of people here are saying really nasty things. Don't you think it would be a good idea to ban these kind of people, David?"
Could you care to give some examples of nasty things that people are saying here? Do you mean Osama insulting David by calling him "female dog in heat"? Or Osama insulting others who are confronting him for a no-show as "EXTREMELY HATEFUL bigots"?
"He had the illusion that he'd still have 10 minutes to wait in the lounge. Acutally no. Boarding would have taken place well before then. And then what happens?"
RESPONSE:
What happens? I already mentioned that I booked electronically, above. So what do you think will happen, Sir Brains? Just stand in line with those who are boarding. 10 minutes before departure will give you ample time, because:
1- The line is still moving. There are still people boarding.
2- The airplane still has 10 minutes to fly. In fact, they rarely fly on time. They usually wait for additional 5 minutes to allow for late passengers to arrive.
Ok, hopefully this will end the discussion about this already over-killed point.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
The only thing that will end your deceptions and lies. Is for you to take responsibility and admit you are incapable of defending your fascist bigoted death cult. And then maybe you would regain a smitten of respect. But you think your superior to us kafre and you can do as you please to us. Just like Mohamed and your demon Allah commands!
You are exposed and your a laughing stock!And Islam and your false pervert barbarian prophet are being exposed every day in the free world!
@ John 8:24 and Search 4 Truth,
Examples:
"he was not a worthy opponent"
"If Osama Abdullah has some shame he should never come back to this blog again"
"This coward email forger Osama Abdallah"
"Failure"
"Shameless one"
"appalling debater you are also a very arrogant, rude and bad-mannered human being!"
"you are so badly brought up and so arrogant and narcissistic"
"he has no integrity"
"You are pathetic"
"Well, on second thoughts, Osama, you are a Muslim! I don’t want to stereotype every Muslim but when I come to think of it: when was the last time I saw a Muslim take responsibility for his mistakes and say sorry? Instead, I have seen Muslims give lame excuses (as they do for Muhammad even till today!) and act as if nothing happened i.e. erase or beautify history. And then they act prideful and resort to blaming and insulting others – especially those who confront them!"
"This jihadi should have gone with the chasing the halal goat excuse. Bin laden, nadir ahmed, zaki nutjob, osama abduallah.....these muslims are all the same. Liars and calculating jihadis. All sons of female dogs in heat. How do you know when a muslim is lying, their lips are moving."
"Your a laughing stock"
Yes, calling David a crying female dog (in other words, a b*tch, and an unclean animal according to Islam) might be one of the worst insults in this thread, but at least Osama took it back. (Honestly, I kind of doubt it was a sincere apology, but whatever. At least he said sorry.)
If this were my blog, most of you people would have been banned a long time ago.
GAP said: "If this were my blog, most of you people would have been banned a long time ago."
Interesting. GAP gives several examples of words and phrases that would get people banned from her blog. Yet we find much, much harsher words and phrases in the Bible.
For instance, in Acts 13, Paul tells a man: "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?"
Similarly, in Matthew 23, Jesus says to the religious leaders: “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?”
I could pull out dozens of examples, but the point would be the same: GAP would ban Jesus and the Apostles from her blog. But if she's willing to ban Jesus and the Apostles, I'm not sure she's an authority on how to run a Christian blog. However, if we ever start a blog titled "Ban the Bible," we'll be sure to call GAP for advice.
@ GAP
The vast majority of what you complain about are adjectives that accurately depict Osamas actions and character.
Calling someone a female dog in heat is a direct insult that has no semblance of accuracy or description.
Why should anyone apologize for using the English language to accurately describe someones actions and attributes? You are as confused as any Mohamedan I have ever encountered! Inconsistency an logical fallacies abound!
GAP would have a blog where only people that agreed with her and were polite when people committed atrocities and insults. But of course you could give an empty apology and all is good, unless of course you were banned and didn't have the chance to give that apology! I will never apologize for telling the truth! GAP you are part of the problem, not the solution!
@ GAP, per your advice, David should also ban Mr. Abdallah as he was insulting others:
“Quit crying like a female dog in heat!”
“The EXTREMELY HATEFUL bigots and their bigotry on this board are really sick!”
“You guys are very disgusting!”
“You can't even bring yourselves to speak one kind word in the load-of-garbage-paragraphs that you spew when you talk about Islam and Muslims.”
“You guys are too sick!”
“What difference will it make anyway, to you and your bigots on this board,…”
“Either you're ignorant or you're flat out liar.”
GreekAsianPanda said...
"If this were my blog, most of you people would have been banned a long time ago."
Are you just considering something that you don't like or something that is over the top? People need to be allowed to express their views. It is a very healthy way to exchange ideas. I don't see much that would be considered over the top in the context of discussion. Perhaps the only person that I would highly consider banning is Osama because he seems to have far less respect than everyone else. I would perhaps ban him for his disrespect rather than his speech. Shouldn't you evaluate this in a different manner?
@ David,
I don't have a problem with the words themselves. It's that they're throwing insults at Osama (and Muslims in general) and slandering his character for making a mistake. One of them even put him on the same level as bin Laden! And yes, I do recognize that it's still a really big deal to you since this is the second time he hasn't shown up at a debate, but it was still a mistake nonetheless. What the commenters here are doing is not the same as in the passages in which Jesus and Paul are calling people out on theological matters.
@ Osama
I wont call your alibi, I called United airlines and spoke to them. I told them I had just a carry on and asked when I should be there prior to the flight, even with an easy check in. And they said to be there 60 minutes prior to the flight! And then I asked is there any way I could come any earlier than 60 minutes, and she responded that you must be their that early for security purposes. And yes I said it was a domestic flight, carry on, and an easy check in that can be performed 34 hours before and be done on line1
EasyCheck-in Online call united.com customer support at 1-800-589-5582
Any more lies Osama?
@GAP
You have got to be kidden me...
"It's that they're throwing insults at Osama..."
Really, so Osama is calling everyone Bigots, he called me a Jackass, he has told us to GO TO HELL numereous times...he called David a "Female dog in heat" in case you don't know the technical term is BITCH.
The only thing I and others have been doing is pointing out obvious flaws in his "STORY". A story that is insulting to everyone.
so the only one who has been doing any insulting is Osama.
BTW GAP, how many times does a person have to lie to you before you can call them a liar and it not be a insult?
@Green Asian Panda:
You said: "I don't have a problem with the words themselves. It's that they're throwing insults at Osama (and Muslims in general) and slandering his character for making a mistake. "
No Panda, we didn't "insult" Osama because of making "a mistake". We rebuked him in no uncertain terms because on top of his mistake he offered no apology, he never admitted any responsibility for his mistake and immediately started to blamed the airline and the organizers for asking him to come too far, etc., didn't appreciate the fact that he wasted many people's time and money, and last but not least after so many "mistakes" he insulted David Wood whom he had just wronged by calling him "a female dog in heat"! Truly ugly language indeed!
Now you tell me such a person needs no serious verbal chastisement! ??? We never called him names! We called him adjectives! Very suitable ones indeed! The only person who called names was Osama himself who called David Wood "a dog" which is not an adjective but it is a proper noun and it is a four legged animal which by the way muslims consider unclean and in no way resembles David Wood!
In fact! Osama called David so to degrade and dehumanize him just because he dared to show that he is ticked off by Osama's lack of respect for his commitments, untrustworthiness and brazen excuse making! I guess according to Osama David should have just beaten his tongue and put up with all of that with no negative reaction!
Anyway what we wrote about Osama was descriptive of his attitude and perfectly justified and if anyone should be banned at all from this blog it should be Osama himself for using truly foul language.
Now quit complaining and get used to it! If you are too sensitive to stomach what we write then don't read it! But please don't tell us what we should and should not write to express our sincerely held opinions! We don't need politically correct censorship even on the blogosphere!
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