Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Muhammad's Man-God


“It's their vain desires in believing in a Man-God, which I find absolutely degrading to the Supreme Creator of all things.” – Kim the Muslimah

“I saw my Lord, the Exalted and Glorious in the most beautiful FORM…. He then placed HIS PALM between my shoulders and I felt its coldness in my chest…” – Kim’s prophet

According to the Islamic sources Allah is a “thing” and a “person”; he has a “soul” and a “spirit”; he has a “likeness,” “shape,” and “form”; he has a “face,” “eyes,” and “ears”; he has “arms” and “elbows”; he has “hands,” “palms,” “fingers” and “fingertips”; he has a “chest,” “waist,” and “side”; he has a “shin” and “feet”; and he has dimensions, mass, and weight. This is why Allah can be said to wear a veil, sit on a throne, live in a house, look out over a watchtower, ascend and descend, run, stroke a person’s back, shake hands, grasp things, etc. Furthermore, although it is not characteristic for him to do so, Allah can even converse directly with people, i.e. without the mediation of an angelic messenger, and he has even directly spoken in this life to a select few, was seen by Muhammad in this world and also on the occasion of his ascent, and will be seen by all Muslims at the great assize, antecedent to which event Muslims are even expected to have a mental picture of Allah by which they can identify him on that day. And for all that, Muslims have the audacity to malign Christians as those who believe in a “man-god”.

The body of evidence for the above statements is massive and the subject of a larger, forthcoming project to be published on Answering Islam. Hence, to prove the point that Allah has bodily limbs and anatomical features, I will limit my focus in this post to what the Islamic sources say about Allah’s hands.

To begin with, the following passage that speaks of Allah’s hand could simply be a figure of speech referring to Allah’s power and control,
Say: "O Allah. Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In THY HAND is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power. (S. 3:26; so likewise 3:73, 5:64, 23:88, 36:71, 83, 39:67, 48:10, 49:1, 57:29, 67:1)
just as “hand” can also be used figuratively for human beings, as in the following passage,
Make not thy hand tied (like a niggard's) to thy neck, nor stretch it forth to its utmost reach, so that thou become blameworthy and destitute. (S. 17:29; cf. 40:29, 41:26, 68:47)
But just like the figurative use of hands for human beings does not rule out that humans have hands or that the word hands can be predicated of human beings in a literal sense, as the Qur’an itself testifies in other verses,
O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful. (S. 5:6, Yusuf Ali)
so likewise, just because the word “hand” or “hands” may be used in some passages for Allah in a figurative sense does not mean they are never used for him in a literal sense. In this vein, the following statement about Allah’s hands clearly inclines toward a literal meaning:
(Allah) said: "O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one [i.e. Adam] whom I have created with MY HANDS? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?" (S. 38:75)
The fact that Adam was created with Allah’s hands is given as a reason in the above passage why Satan’s refusal to worship Adam as commanded is met with incredulity by Allah. But if this is to be taken in a metaphorical sense, i.e. when it says Adam was made with Allah’s hands it means that he was created by Allah’s power, then it would imply that Satan and the other angels had the same reason (or that Allah had the same reason to command the angels) to bow down to anything and everything that they had for bowing down to Adam (or Allah had for commanding them to prostrate to Adam), for according to the Qur’an everything was made by Allah’s hands in a metaphorical sense.

This is made all the more clear from what is said in the following hadith about Adam’s creation, which is abundantly attested:
Narrated Anas: Allah's Apostle said, "The believers will be assembled on the Day of Resurrection and they will say, 'Let us look for someone to intercede for us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are Adam, the father of mankind, and Allah created you with HIS OWN HANDS and ordered the Angels to prostrate before you, and He taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with our Lord so that He may relieve us.' Adam will say, to them, 'I am not fit for that,' and then he will mention to them his mistake which he has committed.' " (Bukhari, 9:93:607; see also 4:55:556, 6:60:3, 6:60:236, 8:76:570, 9:93:507, 9:93:532; Muslim, 1:373, 1:378, 33:6411)
This same idea of the importance and uniqueness and high privilege of Adam based on being made by Allah's own hands is also invoked by Moses as grounds for finding aught with Adam:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There was an argument between Adam and Moses (peace be upon both of them) in the presence of their Lord. Adam got the better of Moses. Moses said: Are you that Adam whom Allah created with HIS HAND and breathed into him His sprit, and commanded angels to fall in prostration before him and He made you live in Paradise with comfort and ease. Then you caused the people to get down to the earth because of your lapse. Adam said: Are you that Moses whom Allah selected for His Messengership and for His conversation with him and conferred upon you the tablets, in which everything was clearly explained and granted you the audience in order to have confidential talk with you. What is your opinion, how long was the Torah written before I was created? Moses said: Forty years before. Adam said: Did you not see these words: Adam committed an error and he was enticed to (do so). He (Moses) said: Yes. Whereupon, he (Adam) said: Do you then blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam got the better of Moses. (Muslim, 33.6411)
Another version of this tradition tells us that Allah wrote the Torah for Moses with his hand.
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with HIS OWN HAND. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times. (Bukhari, 77.611)
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: There was an argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for direct conversation with you) and wrote with HIS OWN HAND the Book (Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said:. This is how Adam came the better of Moses and Adam came the better of Moses. (Muslim, 33.6409)
It is hardly surprising then to read the following in Kitab al-Sunna:
"Allah wrote the Torah for Moses with His hand while leaning back on a rock, on tablets of pearl, and the screech of the quill could be heard. There was no veil between Him and him," (Vol. 1, p. 294)
Putting these narrations together, it would appear that Adam makes this retort to show the greatness of Moses’ error in blaming him for getting everyone kicked out of paradise. That is, Moses argued that Adam was uniquely created with Allah’s own hands, which points up the greatness of his sin, but, as Adam observes, Moses was uniquely given a book written with Allah’s own hand, which was a transcription of what Allah decreed before ever creating Adam, a fact that Moses should have realized before imputing guilt to Adam.

Summarizing the above, Adam, the father of mankind, is distinguished from others by the fact that he was created with Allah’s own hands, a fact that will cause people on the day of resurrection to seek him out as a potential intercessor with Allah, and which served as the grounds for Moses to indict him for committing a great sin, all of which must, therefore, indicate that something different is in view when it speaks of Adam being made with Allah’s hands than the metaphorical sense in which all things in general are said to be the work of Allah’s hands.

In fact, certain traditions prove this even further, limiting the number of things that were created directly by Allah’s hand or hands to three or four. If the above wasn’t enough, this conclusively demonstrates that the sense in which “hands” are being attributed to Allah in the account of the creation of Adam and in the hadith of intercession and the argument between Moses and Adam is not a mere metaphor as it may be in some other cases:

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On the authority of al Haarith ibn Nawfal:
“Allaah created three things with HIS HAND:
1. He created Adam with HIS HAND.
2. He wrote the Tawraah with HIS HAND and
3. He planted Firdaus with HIS HAND.”

[Collected by ad Daylami, It was also collected by ad Darqutni in ‘As Sifaat’ P. 26 #28 and Abu Ash Shaikh in ‘Al ‘Udhmah’: 5/1555]

In another Hadeeth narrated by ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr:


“Indeed Allah - the Mighty and Majestic - created three things with HIS HAND; He created Adam with HIS HAND, He wrote the Torah with HIS HAND and He planted Firdaws with HIS HAND.”
[Collected by ad Darqutni in ‘As Sifaat’ P.45 and al Bayhaqi in ‘Al Asma was Sifat’: P. 403 on the authority of al Harith ibn Nawfal.]

It was authentically reported that ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar said:


“Allaah created four things with HIS HAND;
1. The Throne
2. The Pen
3. Aadam and
4. The paradise of ‘Adn.
He then said to the rest of the creation ‘Kun’ [Be] and it was.”

Adh Dhahabi stated in ‘Al ‘Uluw’: ‘It’s chain is good.’

Al Albaani stated in ‘Mukhtasar al ‘Uluw’ P.105: ‘The chain is authentic according to the conditions of Muslim.’

On the authority of ‘Abdullaah ibn al Haarith who said; the Messenger of Allaah - صلى الله عليه و سلم - said:


“Allah created three things with HIS HAND; He created Adam with HIS HAND, He wrote the Torah with HIS HAND and He planted Firdaws with HIS HAND. He then said; “By my Glory, neither a drunkard nor a ‘Dayyooth’ will live in it”

The companions asked: ‘O Messenger of Allah, we know the drunkard, but who is the Dayyooth?’
He responded: “One who consents to evil in his family.”[1]

[Collected by al Khira-ity in Masaawi al Akhlaaq: P.62, #426]

On the authority of ibn ‘Umar – may Allah be pleased with him:


“Allah created four things with HIS HAND: The throne, the paradise of ‘Adn, Adam and the Pen
He veiled the creation from Himself with four: Fire, then darkness, then light, then darkness.”

Al Haakim stated: ‘The chain is authentic according to the conditions of both Bukhari and Muslim but they did not collect them [in their Saheehs].’

[Mukhtasar al ‘Uluw by al Albaani]

Ibnul Qayyim stated:

It has been authentically reported by both al Bukhari and Muslim in their Saheehs, that the Prophet - صلى الله عليه و سلم - said in the Hadeeth of the intercession: it will be said to Musa: ‘…You are Musa that Allah has specified with His [direct] Speech [to you] and wrote the Tablets for you with HIS HAND…’

[Bayaan Talbees al Jahmiyyah 1/153]

Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:


The people of knowledge stated that Allah did not create anything with HIS HAND except Adam, the Paradise of ‘Adn – for indeed he created it with His Hand, and He wrote the Torah with His Hand. These are three things that were by the HAND of Allaah – the Mighty and Majestic, as for [those of mankind] other than Adam , they were created by the word ‘Kun’ (be).
[Tafseer Surat al Kahf: P.89]


(The above is taken from the following source; emphasis mine)

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Other hadiths of interest tell us that when Allah made Adam with his own hands he stroked or passed his right hand over Adam’s back in order to bring forth Adam’s offspring, which means that Allah was the first masseuse and that Adam received the first (and second) back message in history:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: Muslim ibn Yasar al-Juhani said: When Umar ibn al-Khattab was asked about the verse "When your Lord took their offspring from the backs of the children of adam" - al-Qa'nabi recited the verse--he said: I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say when he was questioned about it: Allah created adam, then passed HIS RIGHT HAND over his back, and brought forth from it his offspring, saying: I have these for Paradise and these will do the deeds of those who go to Paradise. He then passed HIS HAND over his back and brought forth from it his offspring, saying: I have created these for Hell, and they will do the deeds of those who go to Hell. A man asked: What is the good of doing anything, Apostle of Allah? The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When Allah creates a servant for Paradise, He employs him in doing the deeds of those who will go to Paradise, so that his final action before death is one of the deeds of those who go to Paradise, for which He will bring him into Paradise. But when He creates a servant for Hell, He employs him in doing the deeds of those who will go to Hell, so that his final action before death is one of the deeds of those who go to Hell, for which He will bring him into Hell. (Sunan AbuDawud, 40.4686)
Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Abi Unaysa that Abd al-Hamid ibn Abd ar-Rahman ibn Zayd ibn al-Khattab informed him from Muslim ibn Yasar al-Juhani that Umar ibn al-Khattab was asked about this ayat - "When your Lord took their progeny from the Banu adam from their backs and made them testify against themselves. 'Am I not your Lord?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness' Lest you should say on the Day of Rising, 'We were heedless of that.'" (Sura 7 ayat 172) Umar ibn al-Khattab said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, being asked about it. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Allah, the Blessed, the Exalted, created adam. Then He stroked his back with HIS RIGHT HAND, and progeny issued from it. He said, "I created these for the Garden and they will act with the behaviour of the people of the Garden." Then He stroked his back again and brought forth progeny from him. He said, "I created these for the Fire and they will act with the behaviour of the people of the Fire." 'A man said, 'Messenger of Allah! Then of what value are deeds?' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, answered, 'When Allah creates a slave for the Garden, he makes him use the behaviour of the people of the Garden, so that he dies on one of the actions of the people of the Garden and by it He brings him into the Garden. When He creates a slave for the Fire, He makes him use the behaviour of the people of the Fire, so that he dies on one of the actions of the people of the Fire, and by it, He brings him into the Fire.'" (Malik’s Muwatta, 46.1.2)
Not to be outdone by Adam who received a divine back rub, Muhammad claims that Allah touched his chest:
Ibn Abbas reported that the Prophet said: My Lord came to me in the best FORM, whilst I was asleep, and said: O Muhammad, do you know what the angelic assembly is disputing about? I said: I do not! Then Allah placed HIS HAND between my shoulders until I felt Its coolness in my chest and I became aware of what was happening in Heaven and on earth... (Tirmidhi, pp. 82-83)
Other narrations, providing something of a synoptic perspective on this event, even mention Allah’s palm(s) and fingers:
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn A'ish: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: I saw my Lord, the Exalted and Glorious in the most beautiful form. He said: What do the Angels in the presence of Allah contend about? I said: Thou art the most aware of it. He then placed HIS PALM between my shoulders and I felt its coldness in my chest and I came to know what was in the Heavens and the Earth. He recited: 'Thus did we show Ibrahim the kingdom of the Heavens and the Earth and it was so that he might have certainty.' (6:75) Darimi reported it in a mursal form and Tirmidhi also reported. (Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 237- ALIM CD-ROM Version)
Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was detained one morning from observing the dawn prayer (in congregation) along with us till the sun had almost appeared on the horizon. He then came out hurriedly and Iqamah for prayer was observed and he conducted it (prayer) in brief form. When he had concluded the prayer by saying As-salamu alaykum wa Rahmatullah, he called out to us saying: Remain in your places as you were. Then turning to us he said: I am going to tell you what detained me from you (on account of which I could not join you in the prayer) in the morning. I got up in the night and performed ablution and observed the prayer as had been ordained for me. I dozed in my prayer till I was overcome by (sleep) and lo, I found myself in the presence of my Lord, the Blessed and the Glorious, in the best FORM. He said: Muhammad! I said: At Thy service, my Lord. He said: What these highest angels contend about? I said: I do not know. He repeated it thrice. He said: Then I saw Him put HIS PALMS between my shoulder blades till I felt the coldness of HIS FINGERS between the two sides of my chest. Then everything was illuminated for me and I could recognize everything. He said: Muhammad! I said: At Thy service, my Lord. He said: What do these high angels contend about? I said: In regard to expiations. He said: What are these? I said: Going on foot to join congregational prayers, sitting in the mosques after the prayers, performing ablution well despite difficulties. He again said: Then what do they contend? I said: In regard to the ranks. He said: What are these? I said: Providing of food, speaking gently, observing the prayer when the people are asleep. He again said to me: Beg (Your Lord) and say: O Allah, I beg of Thee (power) to do good deeds, and abandon abominable deeds, to love the poor, that Thou forgive me and show mercy to me and when Thou intendst to put people to trial Thou causes me to die unblemished and I beg of Thee Thy love and the love of one who loves Thee and the love for the deed which brings me near to Thy love. Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: It is a truth, so learn it and teach it. Transmitted by Ahmad, Tirmidhi who said: This is a hasan sahih hadith and I asked Muhammad ibn Isma'il about this hadith and he said: It is a sahih hadith. (Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 245; ALIM CD-ROM Version)
Hence, it should hardly come as a surprise to learn that Allah will even shake hands with people on the day of judgment:
'Ubayy b. Ka'b (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "The first person with whom ALLAH will SHAKE HANDS (on the Day of Judgment), will be 'Umar; and he will be the first man to whom Allah will pay salutation (say: Assalamu 'alaika) and he will be the first man whom He will HOLD with HIS HAND and make him enter the Paradise." (Online Source)
One can only imagine the interesting four way argument all of this could generate between Adam (who was created with Allah’s own hands), Moses (who received the book written with Allah’s own hand), Muhammad (whose chest Allah touched) and Umar (who was promised to be the first with whom Allah will shake hands).

Having said before that some statements about Allah’s hands could well have been (and probably were) intended figuratively by Muhammad in those specific instances, it should be stated that some Muslims not only have held and do hold that Allah literally has hands on the basis of the verses and hadith narrations that I have argued were intended literally, such as Surah 38:75 and the narrations on seeking the intercession of Adam since he was made with Allah’s hands, but that even those verses and narrations that could be meant figuratively are also to be accepted as proof that Allah literally has hands. Here is how one Muslim frames the argument:
when we say the clausal phrase “the kingdom is in the hand of Phillip” the most obviously understood meaning implied here is that the kingdom is under his dominion and rule, and not in the literal thing called hand with five fingers etc. However, the grammarians o[f] the religion pointed out that in order for an attributed to be attributed to an individual like this expression above, then the prerequisite of using such an expression is that the subject must be among the class or genre of those things that have an actual hand. In other words, for simplicity, we coul not say “the food is in the hand of the table” because the subject being discussed i.e. the table, is not among the genre or things which actually have hands.
Likewise when Allah says 
“Nay, both of My Hands are outstretched” the obvious meaning hinted in this ayaah is that His generaosity knows no limit and it is not pointing to the literal thing of a Hand. However, it is becaue Allah has Hands which qualifies Allah to be the subject of attributed this ayaah for Him. WHY? because He is among the class or thing which actually has Hands. In other words, if Allah did not have hands, then the person who subscribed to this viewpointm from a grammtical level is attributing illogic to Allah because Allah attributed this ayaah to Himself without possessing the Attribute of Hands. 
However, in other ayaa, He says 
“Why have you not bowed down to one whom I have created with My Own Hands”
The obvious meaning here does not leav[e] us with the obvious meaning of the first, because in this ayaah, the bounties of Allah is not what is being implied here, but the actual merit of Adam because of the fact that Adam was created by Allah’s literal Hands. SO here, Hands means Hands, it is just that we have no grasp, or understanding of what these Hands are. This is the reality of knowing the meaning and not knowing the nature. (Ash’ari Contentions: On Tafweedh and Allah’s Hand)
Note that according to the above, while some verses are using "hand(s)" figuratively, Surah 38:75 is not. In addition, even those verses where "hand(s)" is being used figuratively, the "grammarians of the religion" maintain that such words can only be used figuratively for something that has these things literally. On the possibility of the soundness of this claim, and at least in the case of such Muslims who take this approach, many other verses and narrations from the Qur’an and Sunnah would also apply, such as the following:
"And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of God: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the HAND of God: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And God careth for all, and He knoweth all things." S. 3:73
The Jews say: "God's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both HIS HANDS are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from God increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, God doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And God loveth not those who do mischief. S. 5:64
Say: "Who is it in whose HANDS is the governance of all things, - who protects (all), but is not protected (of any)? (say) if ye know." S. 23:88
See they not that it is We Who have created for them - among the things which OUR HANDS have fashioned - cattle, which are under their dominion? – S. 36:71
So glory to HIM in WHOSE HANDS is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back. S. 36:83
No just estimate have they made of God, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth will be but HIS HANDFUL, and the heavens will be rolled up in HIS RIGHT HAND: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him! S. 39:67
Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to God: the HAND of God is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with God, - God will soon grant him a great Reward. S. 48:10
That the People of the Book may know that they have no power whatever over the Grace of God, that (His) Grace is (entirely) in HIS HAND, to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. For God is the Lord of Grace abounding. S. 57:29
Blessed be He in Whose HANDS is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power; - S. 67:1
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah said, ‘The offspring of Adam abuse the Dahr (Time), and I am the Dahr; in MY HANDS are the night and the day!’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, 8.73.200) 
Narrated Abu Huraira: "The Prophet said, ‘Allah said: "The son of Adam hurts Me by abusing Time, for I am Time; in MY HANDS are all things and I cause the revolution of night and day."’" (See Hadith No. 351, Vol. 6) (Bukhari, 9.93.583) 
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with HIS RIGHT HAND and say, 'I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?" ' (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.479) 
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah's Hand is full, and (its fullness) is not affected by the continuous spending, day and night." He also said, "Do you see what He has spent since He created the Heavens and the Earth? Yet all that has not decreased what is in HIS HAND." He also said, "His Throne is over the water and in HIS OTHER HAND is the balance (of Justice) and He raises and lowers (whomever He will)." (See Hadith No. 206, Vol. 6) (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.508) 
Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will grasp the whole Earth by HIS HAND, and all the Heavens in HIS RIGHT, and then He will say, 'I am the King." Abu Huraira said, "Allah's Apostle said," Allah will GRASP the Earth...' " (Sahih Bukhari,9.93.509) 
Narrated 'Abdullah: A Jew came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Allah will hold the heavens on a FINGER, and the mountains on a FINGER, and the trees on a FINGER, and all the creation on a FINGER, and then He will say, 'I am the King.' " On that Allah's Apostle smiled till his premolar teeth became visible, and then recited:-- 'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him....(39.67) 'Abdullah added: Allah's Apostle smiled (at the Jew's statement) expressing his wonder and believe [sic?] in what was said. (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.510) 
Narrated 'Abdullah: A man from the people of the scripture came to the Prophet and said, "O Abal-Qasim! Allah will hold the Heavens upon a FINGER, and the Earth on a FINGERand the land on a FINGER, and all the creation on a FINGER, and will say, 'I am the King! I am the King!' " I saw the Prophet (after hearing that), smiling till his premolar teeth became visible, and he then recited: -- 'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him... (39.67) (Sahih Bukhar, 9.93.511) 
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The RIGHT (HAND) of Allah Is full, and (Its fullness) is not affected by the continuous spending night and day. Do you see what He has spent since He created the Heavens and the Earth? Yet all that has not decreased what is in HIS RIGHT HAND. His Throne is over the water and in His other Hand is the Bounty or the Power to bring about death, and He raises some people and brings others down." (See Hadith No. 508) (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.515) 
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody gives in charity something equal to a date from his honestly earned money ----for nothing ascends to Allah except good---- then Allah will take it in HIS RIGHT (HAND) and bring it up for its owner as anyone of you brings up a baby horse, till it becomes like a mountain." Abu Huraira said: The Prophet. said, "Nothing ascends to Allah except good." (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.525y)
It is reported on the authority of al-Mughira b. Shu'ba that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Moses asked his Lord: Who amongst the inhabitants of Paradise is the lowest to rank? He (Allah) said: The person who would be admitted into Paradise last of all among those deserving of Paradise who are admitted to it. I would be said to him: Enter Paradise. He would say: O my Lord! how (should I enter) while the people have settled in their apartments and taken the shares (portions)? It would be said to him: Would you be pleased if there be for you like the kingdom of a king amongst the kings of the world? He would say: I am pleased my Lord. He (Allah) would say: For you is that, and like that, and like that, and like that, and that. He would say at the fifth (point): I am well pleased. My Lord. He (Allah) would say: It is for you and, ten times like it, and for you is what your self desires and your eye enjoys. He would say: I am well pleased, my Lord. He (Moses) said: (Which is) the highest of their (inhabitants of Paradise) ranks? He (Allah) said: They are those whom I choose. I establish their honour with MY OWN HAND and then set a seal over it (and they would be blessed with Bounties) which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and no human mind has perceived: and this is substantiated by the Book of Allah, Exalted and Great:" So no soul knows what delight of the eye is hidden for them; a reward for what they did" (xxxii. 17). (Muslim, 1.363)
Narrated 'Abdullah: A Jew came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Allah will HOLD the heavens on a FINGER, and the mountains on a FINGER, and the trees on a Finger, and all the creation on a FINGER, and then He will say, 'I am the King.' "On that Allah's Apostle smiled till his premolar teeth became visible, and then recited:-- 'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him....(39.67) 'Abdullah added: Allah's Apostle smiled (at the Jew's statement) expressing his wonder and believe in what was said. (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.510) 
Narrated 'Abdullah: A man from the people of the scripture came to the Prophet and said, "O Abal-Qasim! Allah will HOLD the heavens on a FINGER, and the mountains on a FINGER, and the trees on a Finger, and all the creation on a FINGER, and will say, 'I am the King! I am the King!' " I saw the Prophet (after hearing that), smiling till his premolar teeth became visible, and he then recited: -- 'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him... (39.67) (Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.511)
All of this means that Muslims are far from being in anything even remotely close to an enviable position when they mischaracterize and ridicule the Christian doctrine of the incarnation as belief in a man-god. After all, there is a big difference between saying that one of the persons of the Godhead took on a human nature at a point in time in addition to his eternal, unchanging divine nature, such that it can be said that the Divine Word or Son, not by virtue of His eternal divinity but by virtue of assuming a human nature, literally has a face, hands, feet, etc., and saying that God qua God, that is, God as He is in Himself and apart from a voluntary act of condescension in taking a human nature upon Himself, actually has anatomical features like those possessed by human creatures. The same principle applies to the incarnation-anticipating theophanies of the Old Testament and to any and all other acts of divine self-humbling whereby the Ineffable, Inscrutable, Incomprehensible God manifests Himself and makes Himself known to His creatures, whether in heaven, on earth, or under the earth.

In conclusion, all Christians should find what is taught in the Islamic sources about Allah being a man-god “absolutely degrading to the Supreme Creator of all things.” God is far above the attributes they associate with Him.

48 comments:

Kim said...

Oh boy. 1400 years of scholarship vs the Anthony Roger. Let's see who wins.

Radical Moderate said...

Allah has hands but there all right hands

Kim said...

“I saw my Lord, the Exalted and Glorious in the most beautiful FORM…. He then placed HIS PALM between my shoulders and I felt its coldness in my chest…”

Obviously that can't be taken literally and it's embarrassing that after an adequate understanding of Islam people would say this.

Taken from:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/counter_rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_s_article__muhammad_literate_still___round_2_


Narrated Masruq:



I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse:

'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited:

'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31.34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice."

So the dream that the Prophet Muhammad had, we can clearly say that Allah did not appear physically. It must have a different meaning, which I'm sure their is but I haven't searched hard enough yet.
According to Aisha and the Quran, you are a liar. Taken from the mother of believers, the same woman you say was sexually abused by the Prophet, which is totally false.


"According to the Islamic sources Allah is a “thing” and a “person”; he has a “soul” and a “spirit”; he has a “likeness,” “shape,” and “form”; he has a “face,” “eyes,” and “ears”; he has “arms” and “elbows”; he has “hands,” “palms,” “fingers” and “fingertips”; he has a “chest,” “waist,” and “side”; he has a “shin” and “feet”; and he has dimensions, mass, and weight"


When you take everything literally, you're going to look like a fool (some advice for starters). And you added way too much most likely just for insults. But no problem. That is your hateful nature, I understand.


Taken from:
http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/description.html

"It is He who has sent down to you the book, in it are verses of established meaning, they are the foundation of the book while others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversion follow what is allegorical in it seeking discord and attempting to interpolate it. No one, however, knows its real interpretation except Allah. Those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: we believe in it; each is from our lord. No one will remember except those who have reason."( 3:7 )

Only those perverted people wish to misinterpret the allegorical verses in the Quran because their heart is diseased. And if the Quran refers to verses that say something about Allah's hand as allegorical, then the hadith is also taken to be the same way.

May Allah guide you to the truth :)

D335 said...

Part 01
To the blogger: My apology for broken english. Feel free to edit this entries (2) to be more accessible or readable if you wish.

Let's put ourselves within the time before Muhammad the self-proclaiming prophet.

God exist before him (Muhammad), there was no ISLAM or muslim, nor any record in history of the word Allah being praised 5 times a day.

God exist before him (Muhammad), there was records, bible of many codices, some with significant differences but also record the death of a man which is told as the Messiah, who is divinely righteous, prophecized even before his birth.

With the Jews prophecies within the Torah, from Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Noah, Job, King David of Israel, his son King salomon, indeed brought the most significant argument between the jews themselves.
Was Jesus the divinely prophecized of the God-Messiah written in the text?

To extent some of those who believe, they were called Christians, and some refused and stay within Judaism.

50-100-200 years after "alledged" Jesus crucifixion the need for scriptures goes as well as the fear of the Romans prosecution against "this new heretic religion". Writing in papyrus, animal skins, tablets, metal codices were made. Within them are records of "alledged" death authenticated by the many manuscripts and also by the romans and jews historical records.

Some reffered as "Injeel" /Gospel and some were just considered blasphemous for writing that Jesus kills, Jesus kisses woman, Jesus this and Jesus that.
The romans saw this opportunity, seized the chance and roman leader claimed himself as the Constantine, the Pontifax Maximus, the bishop of bishop (the highest spiritual leader). His goal, denounce the prosecution of Christians (Edict of Milan 313 AD), set a selected numbers of bibles, check their authenticity and set the beginning of the new religion, the roman's new weapon of mass-destruction, the masses themselves.

But what did people do? IN THIS TIME BEFORE Muhammad people create more and more and more of the word of God for themselves, they were hungry for the words of enlightment! More new versions of scriptures according to Mickey Mouse the apostle and to Goofy the prophet. The content remains the same as Injeel (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) within : 1. Jesus Son of God, divine 2.Jesus died from Crucifixion, 3. Raised from dead in 3 days. The extra content that Jesus rode a bycicle while naked, perhaps will be found someday. And what did Constantine did when he discovered that? Prosecute them as heresy.

D335 said...

PART 2
This story is way too long and to painful to read, but IN THE TIME BEFORE MUHAMMAD:

1. the birth of Roman catholicism
in which the meaning of early inquisition (papal the 3rd) against those who reproduced injeel (multiply) and translated them to their own native language. The bible is early written in Latin and Greek as Rome was east and west. For today's Christian, this is what we are trying to tell our muslims brothers/sisters. Why wouldn't the early roman catholic translate the Injeel to each and every language?

Will they be mis-interpreted? Yes, but not if there are multiple translation in which case YOU CAN SEE AND COMPARE FOR YOURSELF if it's the word of God.
For what purpose? Well since you can't read the word of God, would you believe me if I tell you that God wants you to buy only green T-shirt from Wallmart and no other places? If that so, would you believe me if I tell you that God wants you to kill your nextdoor neighbour?

This is also the beginning of the DARK AGES, as it was taken from PSALM 119:105 "Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path".

Fortunately today, Vatican reforms what was, to modern standard, a fail.


2. the seed of the protestant movement, MUCH EARLIER before Martin Luther set apart himself from Catholic rome. IN THIS PERIODE BEFORE Muhammad or even Martin Luther, even the word Protestant was not yet uttered, people who read the scripture can no longer pretend to be BLINDED by what they were told or commanded by the Roman catholic pope. They have this sincere hunger to read for themselves what the scripture of God really is. SOLA SCRIPTURA!
They keep coming, reading the Gospel, re-tell the gospel again and again and again so other people can receive the same salvation as what they obtained! Thru printing and translations to other language, the movement becomes larger and during Martin Luther, the scripture was no longer bound to one, BUT ALL!
The Christians today at the very least - the lazy one can point to the basic theology of Christianity, i.e. Trinity, Father Son and the Holy Spirit, found testaments of faith within the bible. Not to mention scripture wizards like I believe David Wood, Sam Shamoun. Those two will not even be here today if they are UNABLE TO ACCESS the scriptures.
I don't think Muslims in general could easily understood why they must fought every non-muslim until they bow in the name of Allah. Nor they care why did Islam which is 600 years away from Jesus included Isa as the messiah or Moses as the prophet in which NONE attained testament of the teaching of Islam?
(John 8:31-32) So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

D335 said...

PART 3:FINAL.

3. the Mohamedan era (690 AD).

Have you no knowledge even that before Muhammad obtained the "alledged" revelation he also met Christians and the Jews? Have you wonder why it is called "Judeo-Christianity root?
The word of LIGHT and GUIDANCE was before Muhammad (Quran surat Maidah 5:46). The gospel was before, as it preceeded the Torah.

Was Quran the NEXT FINAL REVELATION of God? Let's examine it.

1. Muhammad placed himself as the pole of telegraph of divine presence in the world. Yet he succumbed to Torah, Bible and what was that religion that prayed 5 times a day before Muhammad?

Was any of what Muhammad told is really SIGNIFICANT PART OF EITHER TORAH AND BIBLE? If so, why would the Christians and Jews did not claim that Islam is the religion of truth?

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, NOR ACKNOWLEDGE THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Quran 9:29)"

2. The Romans required an army to protect it's sovereignity. They had their once prosecuted Christianity turned as the main religion of the state. Instant army. Muhammad required an army to obtain 2 cities as today Masjid Al'Haram (Mecca and Medinah). Why not get the Christians and Jews to fight for Muhammad too? or do you believe in a sudden those pagans were called Muslims in the time of Muhammad?

Would you muslims even wonder WHY LET THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK BY THE TORAH OR THE GOSPEL? Because Quran was supposed to be the Final revelation of God's words on earth!.

Yusuf Ali
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. (Quran 5:47)

3. The early roman catholic regards reading or reproducing (multiply) Gospel as a blasphemous act condemned by death. The "ROMVNS", the John wyclef version, or the "TRANSLATED" bible to middle english were all blasphemy and prosecuted by INQUISITION and EX-COMMUNICATION .
Any acts against Roman Catholic at the time would be condemn as an act against God!. People who read the scriptures and those who found out the truth were... liquidated.
This I tell you that many muslims believed that Quran should be read in Arabic language, as the early Romans believe that bible should be read in Latin, Aramaic or Greek. Why would the early roman catholic's decree on bible or today's translated Quran are detestable?: Well I wish for you on this matter to use your own logic. God provides a brain for you.

For many translations, if you fear, you wil not find out the truth.

For many translations, if you brave because God is with you, you will be given the mystery of the kingdom of God.

4. Is there a force MORE CAPABLE than God?

"No change can there be in the Words of God—that is the supreme triumph." (Qur'ān , Yunus 10:64)

If any muslims CLAIM that the Torah and Injeel are the words of God, therefore NONE CAN SURPASS THE AUTHORITY of God.
No change can be made and circulated as the new building blocks of any religion if God is Supreme.

To Our Lord Jesus Christ, thank you for opening our eyes, reminding us that in John 16:2-4, you've reminded us in the most important time in our history.
"They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. "These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. "But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Kim said...

@D335

Sources please. Im guessing answeringislam.org lol.

PETE said...

Muslim said, arcording the oldest bible that found in palestine, have said that Jesus is not God but He is a prophet. Is that true..?

taomeano said...

Kim
When a verse is literal you say it should be allegorized and when it sounds allegorical, you say it should be literalized.

The bottom line is your Koran is just plain confusing and man made.

Do not start insulting people when all they are trying to do is show you the truth, the incovenient truth. I am looking forward to the day when your eyes will be opened to see the truth so you will depart from Islam and embrace the LORD JESUS CHRIST. It has happened to countless others and I am praying that it will happen to you too.

Radical Moderate said...

@Kim did you even read what Anthony wrote...

You said...

"When you take everything literally, you're going to look like a fool (some advice for starters)."

Anthony Rogers wrote in his main article...

"To begin with, the following passage that speaks of Allah’s hand could simply be a figure of speech referring to Allah’s power and control"

He also writes...

"just as “hand” can also be used figuratively for human beings, as in the following passage"

He also writes...

"so likewise, just because the word “hand” or “hands” may be used in some passages for Allah in a figurative sense does not mean they are never used for him in a literal sense"

He also writes...

"Note that according to the above, while some verses are using "hand(s)" figuratively, Surah 38:75 is not."

Kim notice Anthony Rogers makes the distinction when the use of Allahs hands is ment to be figurativly, he did not as you falsly accused him of, take everything literally.

It is you on the other hand that has taken everything figurativly and even taken everything he has written to mean he is taking everything literaly. So by your own standard the only one who is looking like a fool is YOU.

donna60 said...

Kim, Kim, Kim, do you really believe that our True and Living God is cold to the touch?

Not so, my friend. Both the scriptures of Jews and Christians portray Him as Fire! A Consuming Fire.

Both His friends and His enemies are consumed with fire. Christian men are commanded in Ephesians to cherish their wives. The word "cherish" in the Greek means to "keep warm."

To you and me, God promises all of the warmth of love. What an invitation to the house of the Living God, Kim.

Leave behind your cold dead god, and come, special invitation, to the Warm and Living God, who loves you completely and utterly.

D335 said...

@Kim
nah, answeringislam.org did not provide any relevancy in the time when Christianity split towards Protestantism and Catholicism.

From Quran perspective, I included the Surah and Verse. To some spesific Surah, I include it within.

Some reference were, hmm, told by friends in the same faith and some that I was taught in my early life. But all I assure you, is fresh from me.
--------------------

As another simple mind in this earth, I surely hope that maybe helping you grow in spirit,... as a great comfort to me.

If therefore my attempts are not fruitful, I hold no grudge, for you already seen what us, Christian minds, works in the big playground that God put us into.

Amen.

Kim said...

@RadicalModerate

No. He tries to compare Allah's hand with the hands we have and says that Allah therefore must be in the form of a human. Once again, Allah is nothing like us, he doesn't have a bodily form like anything he creates or will ever create. He doesn't have hands with shoulders and a scapula etc. Read Surah Ikhlas again for at least 10 more times, its only 4verses. Everytime hand or finger or whatever is used in the Quran or Hadith IS ALLEGORICAL AND YES IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY EVERYTIME, otherwise Satan is going to have fun manipulating your mind with images of God.

And did you not read what I wrote? No vision can grasp him.


Btw.....Ask yourself. What do you use your hands for? Manipulating objects? What else?

Lets ask my sister in 3rd grade.


Peace.

Kim said...

@ taomeano

If I ever decided to become a Christian. (astaghfiruallah) I would be a Unitarian because that is what the Bible teaches apart from Paul's interpretation and that is the most logical.

But I'm satisfied with Islam, and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger of God. I decline your invitation because Islam's evidence overrides the countless historical doubts of Christian doctrine.

CharlesMartel said...

Oh, what a drubbing!!!

Kim said...

@donna

Please explain to me how Gos is fire? I know you don't mean the fire I get after I strike a match?

And I also believe that Allah isn't cold...which is why Moses could not even bear to see Him and which is why Allah tells us that He has placed 7 veils between Him and His creation so that His light doesn't burn everything.

If that's all that Anthony Rogers can show then it is the weakest argument against Islam.

search 4 truth said...

This is how the Muslim mind works.

I will only accept the facts that correlate with what my version and interpretation of Islam is! Any evidence to the contrary of what I have molded and shaped Islam into are weak hadith and misinterpreted. I may contradict myself in the future but for right now I will use this evidence to support my position. But in the future I may disregard this evidence if it doesnt suit my argument or contradicts my position and interpretation of Islam1

Royal Son said...

Kim, I hope this time you will not run from my questions as you have done so on other threads of this blog:

You quoted and said:
“I saw my Lord, the Exalted and Glorious in the most beautiful FORM…. He then placed HIS PALM between my shoulders and I felt its coldness in my chest…”
Obviously that can't be taken literally and it's embarrassing that after an adequate understanding of Islam people would say this.

My response:
How do you know it is not literal? I am going to press this question upon you. You make the assertion that PALM does not mean a literal palm. How so? You insist that Allah’s hands are not like ours. Wait a minute. Does Allah have hands or not? Does he literally have hands or not? You may insist that they are different from our hands but that DOES NOT MAKE THEM ALLEGORICAL. We’re still talking about literal hands.

In this passage, Mohammad speaks of this palm being placed between His shoulders. Now if Allah has literal hands, it would stand to reason that these hands have palms, albeit different from our palms but palms nevertheless. Does Mohammad have literal shoulders or only allegorical ones? Of course he literally has shoulders. And he felt the coldness of this palm in his chest. Notice the list of items so far: palm, shoulders, chest. Are we only talking about something allegorical? No, he gives a physical description of the sensation he felt from this palm, i.e. coldness.

Everything in this passage points to a literal interpretation. Notice, I’m not assuming that the hands are like ours. I give the provision for a uniqueness of Allah’s body parts. Nothing in the passage however indicates an allegorical interpretation. Were Mohammad’s shoulders literal? Yes. Was Mohammad’s chest literal? Yes. Did He have a literal sensation associated with touch? Yes. Does Allah have literal palms? Yes.

Now you appealed to Surah 3:7 as your exit clause. I’m sorry, you are not going to be able to use this to help you. It will lead you down a slippery slope. Let me ask you, what is the umm al kitab that surah 3:7 refers to? I want to know which passages of the Qur’an belong to the mother of the book. Would you be satisfied with Ibn Kathir’s and Bukhari’s identification of it being Surat Al Fatihah?

So you point to 6:103 which says that no vision can encompass Him. Does that verse in itself belong to the Umm al Kitab? If it doesn’t, then you cannot even understand what that verse itself means because the verses outside of the Umm al kitab are known only to Allah according to 3:7.

Your hadith quotes Aisha applying this verse to mean that Mohammad has never seen Allah. But I can point you to hadiths quoting Mohammad Himself saying that He did see Allah and that believers will see Allah on the day of resurrection. Who wins Kim? Aisha or Mohammad? I don’t think you can even begin to interpret Surah 6:103 until you settle this problem.

You also quoted Aisha saying "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." This makes your problem even worse, because there are hadiths quoting Mohammad saying what would happen in the future, e.g. the day of resurrection. Not only so but Muslims appeal to 30:1-4 as a prophecy of the Roman defeat by the Persians. According to Aisha’s words, these verses should be thrown out because you can’t have anyone giving prophecy, saying what would happen in the future. Essentially, Aisha is calling Mohammad a liar.

So the hats are in the ring ladies and gentlemen. Kim is rooting for Aisha. My money is on Mohammad. Who is going to win this domestic battle of interpretation and application? Taking your bets...

Royal Son said...

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 530:

Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own eyes."

In this Hadith, Mohammad not only tells His believers that they will see Allah but in what sense, i.e. with their eyes.

With this in view, let us look at other Hadith in this same collection, Bukhari, the most trusted collection for Muslims:

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 531:

Narrated Jarir:

Allah's Apostle came out to us on the night of the full moon and said, "You will see your Lord on the Day of Resurrection as you see this (full moon) and you will have no difficulty in seeing Him."

As the believers see Allah with their own eyes, will this be a blurry or faded seeing of Allah? No, it is likened to seeing the of a full moon.

This is strengthened by further Hadith:

Bukhari Vol 9 Book 93 Number 532c

On the authority of Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night?" They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "So you will see Him, like that. Allah will gather all the people on the Day of Resurrection, and say, 'Whoever worshipped something (in the world) should follow (that thing),' so, whoever worshipped the sun will follow the sun, and whoever worshiped the moon will follow the moon, and whoever used to worship certain (other false) deities, he will follow those deities. And there will remain only this nation with its good people (or its hypocrites). (The sub-narrator, Ibrahim is in doubt.) Allah will come to them and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will (deny Him and) say, 'We will stay here till our Lord comes, for when our Lord comes, we will recognize Him.' So Allah will come to them in His appearance which they know, and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord,' so they will follow Him.

Here we see that Allah will appear to his followers such that they will see Him clearly as they see the sun on a clear day or the moon on a clear night, WITH THEIR OWN EYES. He will come to them in a shape other than that which He come before and they will NOT RECOGNISE HIM. And they will reject Him, telling Him that He is not their Lord (essentially committing blasphemy). Then later, He will come in a form that they DO RECOGNISE, whereupon they will prostrate before Him.

Let's summarise:
- Kim says that Allah cannot be seen because of surah 6:103.
- She appeals to Aisha's interpretation citing hadith saying that anyone who says Mohammad saw Allaw is a liar and quotes surah 6:103.
- Mohammad Himself tells believers will see Allah clearly with their own eyes, first in a form that they don't recognise, then in a form that they will recognise.

Radical Moderate said...

@Kim

You wrote...

"He tries to compare Allah's hand with the hands we have and says that Allah therefore must be in the form of a human. "

So allahs hands are not like our hands but he has hands so they are space alien hands, does he have a claw.

THe point is doenst matter if his hands are like ours or not, he still has hands.

PYEM Ministry said...

Does Allah my girl shave her legs?

Radical Moderate said...

@Kim,

I just noticed this, Allahs hands are COLD.

People with COLD hands have poor circulation.

People are said to be COLD, if they have no compasion, COLD BLOODED like a REPTILE.

So your GOD IS COLD he has ice water running through his veins.

My GOD the true living GOD IS THE GOD OF FIRE.

HE BURNS, HE IS FLAME AND SMOKE.

Kim said...

@ Royal Son

The Prophet Muhammad (saw) did not know what would happen to him or others tomorrow except in the times when Allah had inspired him with knowledge through the Angel Gabriel.

Those were specific times, and in the Quran, which was in itself the WORD OF GOD. Prophecies only come from God because he knows everything and then shares some of this information with his Messengers and Prophets. Which means that the Prophet Muhamamd (saw) cannot tell you what will happen to you tomorrow or the day after unless Allah inspires him.


And the Hadith of Aisha tells us that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not see him, it ISN'T THE DAY OF JUDGMENT YET.....She was referring to the people saying the Prophet Muhammad (saw) had seen Allah during his lifetime and this is false, no prophet or messenger or even angel has seen Allah.

And the verse which says that no vision can grasp him. Yes no vision until the Day of Judgement where our bodies will be reformatted so that we will be able to see Him clearly. He won't be in the shape of a moon or any object but He will be Himself, so please don't misunderstand when it says that they will see Him clearly.

Let me restate. No vision can grasp Him. However when the final judgement arrives and people are being judged then He will allow for them to see Him.


And I'm confused, what are you talking about Umm Al Kitab?

Also visit this. The person asks about seeing Allah and if anyone had seen Him. In reality though, nobody has:

http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/2734/see%20allah

Kim said...

Read the Q&A three times at least before you get excited!! :)

May Allah guide you all to the religion of Islam!

uniquenz said...

Kim said: "If I ever decided to become a Christian. (astaghfiruallah) I would be a Unitarian because that is what the Bible teaches apart from Paul's interpretation and that is the most logical."

Kim, since you assert that Paul's writings were the only part that deviated from unitarianism, perhaps you could show us a sample of those verses.

Since the rest of the bible teaches unitarianism according to you, please answer Yes or No as two whether the following verses could be applied to Mohammad:

1. Are Muslims allowed to honor Mohammad in the same way they Honor Allah? (John 5:23)

2. Did Mohammad exist before Abraham? (john 8:58)

3. Did Mohammad pre-exist the universe? (John 17:5)

4. Did the entire universe come into being through Mohammad? (John 1:3)

5. Did Mohammad have the power and ability to raise Himself from the dead? (John 2:19)

6. Is Mohammad the way, truth and life? (John 14:6)

7. Is Mohammad the first and the last? (Revelation 1:17)

8. Does Mohammad see everything God does and does those things Himself in like manner? (John 5:19)

9. Is Mohammad Lord of the Sabbath? (Mark 2:28)

10. Does Mohammad receive people's spirits at their death? (Acts 7:58)

11. Does Mohammad claim to be Yahweh whose path was to be made clear at His coming? (Mark 1:1-3)

12. Does Mohammad make Himself equal with God by claiming to be God's own son? (John 5,18 ; Surah 43:81)

13. Is Mohammad the Lord of glory? (James 2:1)

14. Does Mohammad claim that praises directed toward him were a fulfilment of people prophecied in the Old Testament to worship Yahweh? (Matthew 21:16,Psalms 45:3)

15. Did Mohammad ever consider worship directed toward Him as an act of true belief? (John 20:29)

16. Did Mohammad teach his own omnipresence? (John

17. Did Mohammad affirm the belief in His omniscience ? (John 16:30-31)

18. Did Mohammad teach muslims to pray to Him in His name? (John 14:14)

19. Was God's name given to Mohammad? (John 17:12)

20. Is Mohammad's name the ONE name by which men must be saved? (acts 4:12)

Thank you for your response in advance.

curly said...

Kim said "I'm satisfied with Islam, and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger of God. I decline your invitation because Islam's evidence overrides the countless historical doubts of Christian doctrine."

I disagree... I think it is opposite. Christian is my first choice. Theist is my second choice. Atheist is my third choice. I really do like about Muslim: Polygamy (GRIN!) and strong community.

D335 said...

THIS IS NOT a special question for KIM, (the princess of answeringmuslims.com,)lol
But this is an open question to anyone, especially the muslim.

As written:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There was an argument between Adam and Moses (peace be upon both of them) in the presence of their Lord. Adam got the better of Moses. Moses said: Are you that Adam whom Allah created with HIS HAND and breathed into him His sprit, and commanded angels to fall in prostration before him and He made you live in Paradise with comfort and ease. Then you caused the people to get down to the earth because of your lapse. Adam said: Are you that Moses whom Allah selected for His Messengership and for His conversation with him and conferred upon you the tablets, in which everything was clearly explained and granted you the audience in order to have confidential talk with you. What is your opinion, how long was the Torah written before I was created? Moses said: Forty years before. Adam said: Did you not see these words: Adam committed an error and he was enticed to (do so). He (Moses) said: Yes. Whereupon, he (Adam) said: Do you then blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam got the better of Moses. (Muslim, 33.6411)
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WOW, since Adam and Moses never seen each other in a lifetime, would that means that both are arguing in afterlife?
If this so? why not they engaged in sexual manner as islamic "Jennah" in the afterlife was about, hump, hump, hump and oh yeah?

But then again Allah asked Jesus in the last day, if Jesus and his mother claimed to be divine.

That means I would be one day arguing with Elvis, that he was never the king of Rock and the Islamic version of afterlife is about discussing what "alledgedly" or "supposedly" happen in the previous lifetime.

That means also "Allah" granted NO UNIVERSAL UNDERSTANDING in afterlife as an enlightment to the many question from all of us after we die. THEREFORE, Islamic scholar version in afterlife is argue, argue and argue ... while they're humping?

I still wonder why Muhammad made an approach like that. As it written in PAST TENSE, Muhammad meant the conversation "literally" happened in the afterlife and not just allegorical story.

donna60 said...

Kim,
Thank you for your inquisitive nature and questions. It shows a character trait that not only I love, but God loves as well.

As to how we know that God is fire, please review these verses.


Deuteronomy 4:23-24
23 So watch yourselves, that you do not forget the covenant of the LORD your God which He made with you, and make for yourselves a graven image in the form of anything against which the LORD your God has commanded you. 24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.


Hebrews 12:28-29
28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us [a]show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire.


Deuteronomy 9:2-3
2 a people great and tall, the sons of the Anakim, whom you know and of whom you have heard it said, ‘Who can stand before the sons of Anak?’ 3 Know therefore today that it is the LORD your God who is crossing over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and He will subdue them before you, so that you may drive them out and destroy them quickly, just as the LORD has spoken to you.

I'm glad that you realize that God is not cold. Unfortunately, Mohammad did not realize this, because he called allah's palms "cold"

"“I saw my Lord, the Exalted and Glorious in the most beautiful FORM…. He then placed HIS PALM between my shoulders and I felt its coldness in my chest…”


That really must give us pause for thought. Because it could not have been God who had cold palms. It was some thing else that touched Mohammed, which was cold. Don't forget that he stated that he felt cold.

No one who is touched by God feels cold. His enemies are destroyed by His Consuming Fire. We are warmed by this same Comsuming Fire. It comforts us, and impassions us; and we spread His warmth to others.

(I'm really glad about the commandment to husbands.)

Mahdi said...

David, this was understood the same way Muslims for over 1400 years understood it. It's metaphorical. The ayat that you posted was Allah swt responding to Jews who claimed that God had his hands withdrawn (which was a way of saying that God was selfish). Obviously, they didn't literally mean that God had human hands grasping on to something.

There's a Hadith Qudsi that states that whenever a servant walks towards Allah swt, Allah goes to that servant running. Again, this isn't literal. It's a metaphor that shows how God responds in a better way to those who make an effort to worship him.

Regarding the seeing of Allah, we Muslims believe that on The Day of Judgement Allah will show himself in a way that his creatures can comprehend.

Kim said...

@uniquenz



Did answeringislam really brainwash you that bad with those verses?
www.unveiling-christianity.org

Royal Son said...

Oh dear Kim, I think you have made matters worse for yourself.

You said:The Prophet Muhammad (saw) did not know what would happen to him or others tomorrow except in the times when Allah had inspired him with knowledge through the Angel Gabriel.

My response:You are inserting an exception clause where there is none. Aisha says that whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow is a liar.

You said:Those were specific times, and in the Quran, which was in itself the WORD OF GOD. Prophecies only come from God because he knows everything and then shares some of this information with his Messengers and Prophets. Which means that the Prophet Muhamamd (saw) cannot tell you what will happen to you tomorrow or the day after unless Allah inspires him.

My response:Again you are inserting an exception clause where none is to be found.

You said:And the Hadith of Aisha tells us that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not see him, it ISN'T THE DAY OF JUDGMENT YET.....She was referring to the people saying the Prophet Muhammad (saw) had seen Allah during his lifetime and this is false, no prophet or messenger or even angel has seen Allah.

My response:Your argument now goes from bad to worse. You now try to make a new exception clause to the verse in the Qur'an which says that no vision can grasp Him. You used this to prove that Allah can never be seen. Now all of a sudden, it is possible that Allah WILL be seen on the day of judgement? So no vision can grasp Him means you can't see Him now but you will in the future?

You said that this is different because this hadith does not say that Mohammad had seen Allah (past tense). But other hadith DOES teach as well as the Qur'an itself in Surah 53:11,13 which cannot be talking about Jibreel since Mohammad is the slave of Allah not Jibreel. (Shamoun, http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_seen.htm)

You said:And the verse which says that no vision can grasp him. Yes no vision until the Day of Judgement where our bodies will be reformatted so that we will be able to see Him clearly. He won't be in the shape of a moon or any object but He will be Himself, so please don't misunderstand when it says that they will see Him clearly.

There you go again, inserting new exception clauses, no vision until our bodies are reformatted. Kim I think you need to reformat your hard drive, because whichever articles you got this idea are in dire need of visiting the recycle bin.

Royal Son said...

Nor was I saying that Allah would be in the shape of a moon. However, it does say that Allah would come first in a form other than that which He has come before and that the Muslims do not recognise and will thereupon reject Him. Then later He will come in a form that they do recognise whereupon they will prostrate. If Allah is coming on the day of resurrection in a form other than that which He has come before and the Muslims don't recognise Him, that tells me He must have come in a form in the past which is recogniseable. And it is this very form which He appears to them in 532c and 532s. Mohammad thus tells His followers that they will certainly see Allah with their own eyes.

You said:Let me restate. No vision can grasp Him. However when the final judgement arrives and people are being judged then He will allow for them to see Him.

My response:Okay, so putting aside the fact that you are now abrogating 43:81 at least by your own interpretation, lets deal with this. Judgement day, believers will be able to see Allah with their own eyes.

Question: When they see Him, will he have legs, eyes, arms, etc? Note I'm giving provision for uniqueness of these body parts. I want to see if you're going to flip-flop now and start saying yes they will see His legs, eyes, arms, legs.

If they will see His eyes, arms, legs, etc then does that not refute your earlier claim that his eyes. legs, arms etc are only allegorical?

If you say that they will not see His eyes, arms, legs, etc, will this vision of Him grasp Him? i.e. will you see all of what Allah is or only a part of what He is?

If you see only a part of what Allah is, why does the Hadith say you will see Him as clearly as the moon on a clear night or the sun on a cloudless day? And does not seeing a part of Him not violate His oneness because now you're dividing Him up?

You said:And I'm confused, what are you talking about Umm Al Kitab?

My response: Why are you confused? You appealed to surah 3:7 to insist that the verses talking about Allah's body parts are allegorical. That same verse speaks about the clear verses constituting the Umm al kitab. So I'm asking you which verses constitute the umm al kitab because any other verses outside of it are understood only by Allah (which begs the question why he'd send the veiled revelation in the first place).

Anthony Rogers said...

Kim said: "Oh boy. 1400 years of scholarship vs the Anthony Roger. Let's see who wins."

Interesting. I got the impression you were much younger.

Joking aside, are you the same person who later said this: "So the dream that the Prophet Muhammad had, we can clearly say that Allah did not appear physically. It must have a different meaning, which I'm sure their is but I haven't searched hard enough yet."?

And also this: "And I'm confused, what are you talking about Umm Al Kitab?"?

You better get cracking girl; it looks to me like you need to catch up with 1,400 years worth of scholarship.

Our visiting scholar exposes her ignorance again when she directs us to the following site and tells us all to do our homework:

Kim said: "Also visit this. The person asks about seeing Allah and if anyone had seen Him. In reality though, nobody has:

http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/2734/see%20allah"

Read the Q&A three times at least before you get excited!! :)"

And yet, the site is a Salafi site, and Kim apparently doesn't even know what that means. How else could she have made such a dumb mistake of pointing us to a site that refutes her claim that Allah does not have attributes analogous to human attributes? Well, Kim, listen up, for here is what the site you directed us to says about Allah having attributes similar to human attributes:

"The Prophet’s words, “Adam was created in His image” means that Allaah created Adam in His image, for He has a face, an eye, a hand, and a foot, and Adam had a face, an eye, a hand, and a foot… but that does not mean that these things are exactly the same. There is some similarity, but it is not exactly the same...." (See here)

If you would, Kim, please read the above three times and weep.

I think others are doign a fine job interacting with your claims, so I will let you carry on with them for now. I just thought I would put in an appearance to say hi and see how you were holding up after the post. Perhaps I will check back in on you in a day or two and add some more comments.

search 4 truth said...

@ D335

Don't you know she does not accept that hadith today? But retains the right to accept it at a later time if it helps her argument!

Come on man, you have to be consistently inconsistent or your not being comically Ismically scholarly!

Kim said...

"Another thing that will help to explain the meaning of this hadeeth is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The first group to enter Paradise will be in the image of the moon” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3245; Muslim, 2834.” What the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) meant here is that the first group will be in human form, but because of their purity, beauty and brightness of face they will look like the moon, so they are likened to the moon, but without resembling it. So just because a thing is said to be in the image of a thing it does not mean that it is like it in all aspects. "

Refuted yourself. I thank. You for the link though, it's very informative and I learned something new.

Search 4 Truth said...

One thing is for certain. Islam is so convoluted, inconsistent and incomprehensible that a Muslim can mold it and shape it into anything they wish it were instead of how it has been historically taught or practiced.

To be a Muslim is to be inconsistent, hypocritical, selective, and have two sets of rules, one for the treatment of Muslims, and one for the treatment of kafre.

Truly a satanic death cult as I have ever seen one! Allah was clearly wrong when he stated he has made things clear. Total insanity!

donna60 said...

Kim, you don't have to look like the moon. You were designed to be in the image of God, my good friend, and with the grace of our LORD and Savior, you can be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Matthew 5:47-48
47 If you are kind only to your friends,[a] how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Hemel said...

This Kim is really entertaining.Hope she was born in a muslim culture where she would sentenced to be beaten by lashes for talking to other men

Royal Son said...

Kim, you completely ignored the verses I posted under the nick uniquenz and directed me to another site.

I was asking you if those verses could be applied to Mohammad, yes or no. Please fill out the survey and get back to me :)

And as for my other posts, well let's just say you are the current reigning champion of dodgeball. Congratualtions.

CristoTeAma said...

Anthony rogers quoted..

"The Prophet’s words, “Adam was created in His image” means that Allaah created Adam in His image, for He has a face, an eye, a hand, and a foot, and Adam had a face, an eye, a hand, and a foot… but that does not mean that these things are exactly the same. There is some similarity, but it is not exactly the same...." (See here)

If you would, Kim, please read the above three times and weep."

-It's amazing, she actually keeps proving that she get what she need from any source just to give shape to her Islam (which is not the Muhammad's Islam)

Baron Eddie said...

Pretty soon Kim will make her own Fatwa :)

Baron Eddie said...

Umm Al Kitab is the preserved tablet (al lo7 al Mah photh)

By the way the preserved tablet contains Quran, Bible, Torah, everything that we do!

Hemel said...

I see Kim blindly copying from Bassam Zawadi.Why so?Are you eve thinking if he is right or wrong.Just saying sth in reply is not always an answer.Blindly believing in Bassam can take you to hell with him.
And why not Anthony Rogers have some debates with Bassam.Bassam is running away from Sam Shamoun as Sam has the ability to make him look bad ,which Bassam does not want as he has gained some popularity among young kids like Kim.So whatever excuse Bassam is making in not debating Sam I think he cant make the same against Antony Rogers.But its true Bassam has an ability to look him bad even if what he says is totally ridiculous

Royal Son said...

Baron Eddie, thank you for providing your response which Kim was unable to do.

You mentioned that the Umm al Kitab contains the Qur'an, Bible, Torah, Injeel, and everything that we do.

I do not believe that the Umm al Kitab mentioned in Surah 3:7 bears out such an interpretation. Allow me to paste Surah 3:7 and then we shall look at the other verses in the Qur'an that also speak of the Umm al Kitab, namely Surah 13:39 and 43:4.

Firstly, Surah 3:7 in the Palmer translation:

He it is who has revealed to thee the Book, of which there are some verses that are decisive, they are the mother of the Book; and others ambiguous; but as for those in whose hearts is perversity, they follow what is ambiguous, and do crave for sedition, craving for (their own) interpretation of it; but none know the interpretation of it except God. But those who are well grounded in knowledge say, 'We believe in it; it is all from our Lord; but none will remember save those who possess minds.

Notice that in this verse, a book is said to have been revealed to Mohammad, i.e. the Qur'an. In it are verses which have a decisive meaning. They are muhkamat, they are clear. They i.e. the clear verses of the Qur'an are the Mother of the Book. Notice, it does not say they are a part of the mother of the book, but that they in themselves are the mother of the book. To summarise thus far - The clear verses of the book revealed to Mohammad are the Mother of the book.

Then it goes on to describe other verses of the Qur'an, i.e. those which are not the mother of the book. They are described as Mutashabihat, they are unclear, ambiguous and they are understood by God alone.

So the question becomes for the Muslim, which verses of the Qur'an are the Mother of the Book and which verses are unclear?

If she can get over this first hurdle, maybe then we can ascertain whether she or any of her scholars are have the ability to interpret the meaning of the verses she has posted for us, for example surah 6:103. Is this one of the muhkamat verses of the umm al kitab or a mutashabihat verse which is understood only by Allah? If the former, I'd like to know how she came to that conclusion and if the latter, who is she to apply this verse to say that noone can see Allah?

Moving on to the other verses that speak of the Umm al kitab:

Surah 13:39 God doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book.

This verse tells us that the Mother of the book is with Allah but does not tell us that it contains the Bible, the Qur'an, the Torah, and all that we do.

Of course, the verse before it does speak of Allah giving books to every age, however that does not in itself necessitate the mother of the book containing all of those books. What is more plausible is that the umm al kitab verses can be found in all of the above mentioned books.

Looking to verse 43:4

And verily, it is in the Mother of the Book, in Our Presence, high (in dignity), full of wisdom.

Verse 3 speaks of the Qur'an, and thus it would seem that the entire Qur'an is in the Mother of the book.

This is most likely what gave rise to the notion that Surat al Fatihah is the mother of the book because as is claimed, it contains the whole of the Qur'an in its essence.

Remember, there is a clear distinction in 3:7 to those which are clear, THEY are the mother of the book, and those which are unclear. So to put this all together, one could say there is a group of verses which are clear and represent the Qur'an itself as a whole, and they are the Mother of the book. Others are unclear, and are understood only by Allah.

Of course, there is another option, which is that there are multiple umm al kitabs and that it depends on the context as to which umm al kitab one is referring to.

So the question to Kim is, according to surah 3:7, which verses are Muhkamat and which ones are mutashabihat?

Zack_Tiang said...

What a beating Kim is getting.... Have mercy on this willfully ignorant scoffer.

Royal Son said...

"How can Jesus sit on the right hand of God?" the Muslims ask us.

Oh, I'm sorry, should that be the right hands of Allah?

Baron Eddie said...

thanks Royal Son ...

Muslims should ask us (Ahl Al thikr) ...

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ إِلاَّ رِجَالاً نُّوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ فَاسْأَلُواْ أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

For [even] before thy time, [O Muhammad,] We never sent any but men, whom We inspired – hence, "If you do not know this, ask the followers of earlier revelation" (7)

Royal Son said...

Kim, I'll save you the trouble because you seem to be taking your time.

Surah 3:7 speaks of the Umm al kitab, being the clear verses of the Qur'an.

Since Surah 3:7 is speaking of the Kitab given to Mohammad we know that the Umm al Kitab is the Umm al Qur'an. This is confirmed by Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, Sahih al Bukhari, Sunan Ibn Majah, and Sunan an Nasai.

As such, the Umm al kitab (Umm al Qur'an) is the first seven repeated verses of your Qur'an, i.e. Surah al Fatihah, the opener.

Since Surah 3:7 says that the clear verses are the umm al kitab, and the other verses are known only to Allah, you have a mere SEVEN verses that are clear and can be understood. The remaining 113 of 114 chapters of your Qur'an can be understood only by Allah. This is according to your book Ma'am.

Thus, the verses that you have attempted to explain to us regarding no vision grasping Allah, according to your book is classified as mutashabihat, unclear, ambiguous, and understood only by Allah.

Of course I'm not bound by the statements made in your Qur'an, but you are as a Muslim. So I would just like to thank you for trying to invoke 1400 years of scholarship against Anthony Rogers, when your "scholars" should simply throw their hands in the air and say Allah knows best.

With a consistent Islamic presupposition, you would thus be forced to the conclusion that you as a Muslim have no rebuttal to the article of my dear friend and precious brother in the Lord, Anthony. You would have no way to declare his explanation to be false because these verses in the Qur'an cannot be understood by you if you in fact are willing to be under the authority of your ambiguous book.

In contrast to this, may I present to you 2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness ;

Unlike the Qur'an which has vast portions understood only by Allah, and thus calling into question whether it can be said to be a revelation at all, the Bible is completely profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness.

I pray that you will abandon the book of confusion, i.e. the Qur'an, and embrace the truth of the God-breathed scriptures, which reveal that you as a sinner must repent, believe into Jesus Christ, who died on the cross, rose from the dead, ascended to the right hand of God with all power, glory, and majesty, and will come again to judge the earth, as your Lord and Saviour, and receive the forgiveness of your sins. God is not a God of confusion(1 Cor 14:33). His gospel is clear. I am not ashamed of it, for it is the power of God unto salvation(Romans 1:16).