Friday, July 1, 2011

Sam Shamoun vs. 1MoreMuslim on Allah's Repentance

Have you ever noticed that some Muslims are so desperate to attack Christianity, they don't care if they contradict Islam in the process? Here is another response from Sam Shamoun to 1MoreMuslim.

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It is time, once again, to turn the tables on 1MoreMuslim to show that he is both inconsistent and dishonest.

He wrote:
You should be busy correcting your theology, rather than teaching me about my language. And allah is not yahweh, Allah created human being knowing they will be wicked, so he felt no regrets, unlike Yahweh.
And:
unfortunately the only God who repents is the God of the bible, perhaps you can find other Greek Gods who do so.
What makes this assertion rather astonishing is that the Quran claims that Allah is a god who often and relents and changes his mind! Note the following verse carefully:
Then Adam received commandments from his Lord, and his Lord REPENTED towards him; for He is OFT-REPENTING (huwa al-tawwabu), Most Merciful. S. 2:37
Here is how the verse is translated in the various English versions:
Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He RELENTED toward him. Lo! He is THE RELENTING, the Merciful. Pickthall

Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord TURNED towards him; for He is Oft-RETURNING, Most Merciful. Y. Ali

Then Adam received (some) words from his Lord, so He TURNED to him mercifully; surely He is Oft-RETURNING (to mercy), the Merciful. Shakir

Then Adam learnt from his Lord certain words of prayer. So HE TURNED toward him with mercy. Surely HE is Oft-RETURNING with compassion, and is Merciful. Sher Ali

Thereafter Adam received certain words from his Lord, and He TURNED towards him; truly He TURNS, and is All-compassionate. Arberry

And Adam caught certain words from his Lord, and He TURNED towards him, for He is the compassionate one easily TURNED. Palmer

And words of prayer learned Adam from his Lord: and God TURNED to him; for He loveth to TURN, the Merciful. Rodwell

And Adam learned words [of prayer] from his Lord, and God TURNED unto him, for he is easy to be reconciled and merciful. Sale
Notice that these versions render the Arabic words taba and tawwab as relented, relenting, turned, turns etc. Now my question to you is what does repentance mean if not a turning away from something towards something? What does repentance mean if not relenting from something? Moreover, what did Allah relent from? What did he turn from when he turned towards Adam in mercy and compassion?

Here are a few more cases where Allah is said to repent and change his mind or course of action:
Except those who repent (taboo) and make amends and openly declare: To them I repent (atoobu); for I am Oft-Repenting (wa ana al-tawwabu), Most Merciful. S. 2:160

Do they not know that Allah accepts repentance (al-tawbata) from his servants and takes the alms, and that Allah is the Oft-returning (huwa al-tawwabu), the Merciful? S. 9:104

And to the three who were left behind, until the earth became strait to them notwithstanding its spaciousness and their souls were also straightened to them; and they knew it for certain that there was no refuge from Allah but in Him; then He repented (taba) to them that they might repent (liyatooboo); surely Allah is the Oft-repenting (huwa al-tawwabu), the Merciful. S. 9:118
Let us see how the lexical sources define these words:
= Ta-Waw-Ba = TO RETURN; REPENT; TURN ONE’S SELF IN A REPENTANT MANNER (with ila or without it), TURN with mercy (with ala), ADAPT.

taba vb. (1) (Project Root List)
Now just in case 1MoreMuslim still wants to stubbornly deny that these words mean that Allah actually repents and changes his mind, here are some verses where the very same words are used in connection to Allah calling individuals to change or repent from their evils ways:
They will question thee concerning the monthly course. Say: 'It is hurt; so go apart from women during the monthly course, and do not approach them till they are clean. When they have cleansed themselves, then come unto them as God has commanded you.' Truly, God loves those who repent (al-tawwabeena), and He loves those who cleanse themselves. S. 2:222 Arberry

And when two of you commit indecency, punish them both; but if they repent (taba) and make amends, then suffer them to be; God turns, and is All-compassionate. S. 4:16 Arberry

And to Thamood their brother Salih; he said, 'O my people, serve God! You have no god other than He. It is He who produced you from the earth and has given you to live therein; so ask forgiveness of Him, then repent (tooboo) to Him; surely my Lord is nigh, and answers prayer. S. 11:61 Arberry

Save him who repenteth (taba) and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. And whosoever repenteth (taba) and doeth good, he verily repenteth (yatoobu) toward Allah with true repentance (mataban). S. 25:70-71 Pickthall

Believers, turn (tooboo) to God in sincere repentance (tawbatan); it may be that your Lord will acquit you of your evil deeds, and will admit you into gardens underneath which rivers flow. Upon the day when God will not degrade the Prophet and those who believe with him, their light running before them, and on their right hands; and they say, ‘Our Lord, perfect for us our light, and forgive us; surely Thou art powerful over everything.’ S. 66:8 Arberry
To further confirm that Allah literally changes his mind and repents, here is what the Quran says Allah did when the people whom Jonah preached to repented of their sins:
If only there had been a community (of all those that were destroyed of old) that believed and profited by its belief as did the folk of Jonah! When they believed WE DREW OFF FROM THEM THE TORMENT OF DISGRACE in the life of the world and gave them comfort for a while. S. 10:98 Pickthall
Let us see how the Muslim expositors interpreted this passage:
(If only there had been a community (of all those that were destroyed of old) that believed) if only the people of a township believed when the punishment befell them (and profited by its belief) He says: their faith did not benefit them upon the descent of punishment (as did the folk of Jonah) except the folk of Jonah who benefited from their belief. (When they believed We drew off) WE DIVERTED (from them the torment of disgrace) the severe punishment (in the life of the world and gave them comfort for a while) We left them without punishment until they died. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Q. 10:98; bold, capital and italic emphasis ours)

If only there had been one town - meaning its inhabitants - that believed, before chastisement befell it, and profited by its belief - except for the people of Jonah: when they believed, after seeing a portent of the chastisement, for they did not wait [to believe] until it came to pass, We removed from upon them the chastisement of degradation in the life of this world and We gave them comfort for a while, until the conclusion of their terms [of life]. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Q. 10:98; bold and italic emphasis ours)

And they believed, after they saw [with their own eyes] the chastisement WHICH THEY HAD BEEN PROMISED. So We gave them comfort, We kept them alive to enjoy their wealth, for a while, until their terms [of life] would be concluded [while they took comfort] therein. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Q. 37:148; bold, capital and italic emphasis ours)

… Then he mentioned the multitude of followers that Musa had, peace be upon him, then that he saw his nation of people filling from the west to the east. The point is that between Musa and Yunus, there was no nation, in its entirety, that believed except the people of Yunus, the people of Naynawa (Nineveh). And they only believed because they feared that the torment from which their Messenger warned them, might strike them. They actually witnessed its signs. So they cried to Allah and asked for help. They engaged in humility in invoking Him. They brought their children and cattle and asked Allah to lift the torment from which their Prophet had warned them. As a result, Allah sent His mercy AND REMOVED THE SCOURGE from them and gave them respite. Allah said…

In interpreting this Ayah, Qatadah said: "No town has denied the truth and then believed when they saw the scourge, and then their belief benefited them, with the exception of the people of Yunus. When they lost their Prophet and they thought that the scourge was close upon them, Allah sent through their hearts the desire to repent. So they wore woolen fabrics and they separated each animal from its offspring. They then cried out to Allah for forty nights. When Allah saw the truth in their hearts and that they were sincere in their repentance and regrets, He REMOVED the scourge from them." Qatadah said: "It was mentioned that the people of Yunus were in Naynawa, the land of Mosul." This was also reported from Ibn Mas`ud, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr and others from the Salaf. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q. 10:98; bold and capital emphasis ours)
These commentators candidly admit that even though Allah had sworn to punish Nineveh, he nonetheless repented from destroying them when he saw their repentance!

The foregoing proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that when taba and tawwab are used in respect to the Islamic deity we are to interpret this as Allah literally changing his mind and course of action.

Now watch as 1More tries to pervert the plain and unambiguous meanings of these texts and Arabic words in order to force the Quran to agree with his theological presuppositions. Watch him do the very thing he condemns Christians for doing in trying to force these verses to fit in with his mistaken notion that his god is perfect and therefore never repents and changes his mind.

Lord willing, in my next post I will prove that Allah doesn’t simply allow people to do evil, as 1More erroneously asserted, but that he actually creates them to be evil and to act wickedly!

Inconsistency, thy name is 1MoreMuslim!

27 comments:

minoria said...

Sam,a fascinating article about the Arabic language.You mentioned that the Koran says Allah created men to do evil,maybe you are referring to the famous verse that literally says Allah created men and jinn for hell.By logic it means they were created for evil.

An article using that argument is in antisharia:

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/11/allah-as-the-litteral-creator-of-evil-christiansjews-and-evil-persons/

Gottschalk said...

Lol muslims will say that Allah repents but his repentence is unlike his creation. Just like he sits on a throne in his essence, but unlike his creation.

This is big hypocrisy, since when it comes to the Bible, they read everything literally, even if the Bible also says nothing is like God.

But where did 1moremuslim raise these objections, on wich website?

mkvine said...

1moremuslim is still around? I see he hasn't changed his inconsitent methodology. As always, Sam took him to task on this. I remember Sam showing me something like this on Paltalk. Those verses were crystal clear.

Radical Moderate said...

Looks like 1millmeter got schooled big time lol

Deleting said...

1mm is a pest. Plain and simple. He didn't come here to defend i-slam (how could he, with the exception of Yuseuf Alamo I don't think there are any muslims here for him to impress) He came here so he could be some punk and if it pleased Satan....er... I mean 'Allah' the more the better.
Take away the nappy grizzly beard, the pjs you wear in public and the kufi hat and you'd have some dumb kid who soaps your windows just because he can.
Sad really but not nearly as sad as the fact that muslims aren't born. They're made.

GreekAsianPanda said...

The Hebrew word used twice in Genesis 6:6-7 (which I'm pretty sure was the one 1MM was referring to) is nacham. Repent isn't its only meaning; the verses can also mean that YHWH was simply grieved. He can know that something is going to happen and still be grieved by it.

Also, isn't it the tu quoque fallacy to just show that 1MM has the same problem? I think you should answer to what he perceives as a problem with the Bible.

mkvine said...

GAP,

It would only be the "tu quoque fallacy" if it was a problem for God to repent. But as Sam showed, its NOT a problem for God to repent. What Sam was trying to do in this article was to show the INCOSISTENCY of 1MM's claim.

1MoreMuslim said...

OOOh SAm Sam Sam
I told you not to re-paste this from answering Islam, I have told you I have read your articles before.
I made a refutation of this pack of ignorance in one video, when James White used it against Muslims, because Sam Shamoun alone doesn't worth that effort.
You brought shame to the "Scholar" Dr James White.
As for the second part, the refutation is even easier. In what world to TURN with Mercy, or to lift punishment implies a change in the plan?? If one is driving according to a plan, and he turns left or right, does that imply that he changed his mind? Sam and your folks are an intellectual vacuum.

Sam said...

1MoreMuslim, is that all you got to say by way of response? A link to a pathetic reply that doesn't refute my argument? Really? That's it? Why don't you post your answer here and see what I do to it?

In fact, I quoted verses to prove that the the very words which are used for Allah changing his mind, namely tawwab and taba, ARE THE SAME EXACT WORDS which the Quran uses to prescribe and describe those who repent from their evil ways and to turn to Allah in faith and obedience. In light of this, can you you provide an exegetical and contextual reason why these words don't have the same meaning when used to describe your false god repenting and changing his mind?

You also didn't answer the question. What does Allah turn FROM whenever he turns TOWARDS anyone who hears the warnings of judgment and repents?

Moreover, if Allah lifted his judgment from the people whom Jonah preached to because they repent THEN DOESN'T THAT PROVE THAT ALLAH INTENDED TO DESTROY THEM BUT THEN CHANGED HIS MIND AND DECIDED NOT TO?

So let me turn your false analogy against you. Are you trying to tell us that if one leaves his house planning to drive west to a specific destination, but then decides to turn around and head back eastward in order to return home, that this doesn't mean the person changed his mind?

Finally, thank you for doing the very thing I said you would, and which you condemn Christians for doing, i.e. trying to reconcile these passages with your theological assumptions concerning the nature of your false god.

And this is what you call a "response" to my arguments!

I conclude by using your own words against you. You, your god, your book, and your prophet are an intellectual vacuum.

1MoreMuslim said...

Minoria:

"maybe you are referring to the famous verse that literally says Allah created men and jinn for hell."

Christians call that, the Doctrine of election.

Sam Shamoun wants to make you believe that every time the wind changes from east to west, that means that God has changed his mind.
Can someone give me how can God express the idea of punishing people, then lifting the punishment when they repent, in such a way that won't make Sam believe that God has changed his mind?
This passage is beautiful, no Muslim would object to:
1 Kings 8:35-36
When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them: then hear thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel, that thou teach them the good way wherein they should walk, and give rain upon thy land, which thou hast given to thy people for an inheritance.
Until Sam recognizes the difference between the above, and Genesis 6:6, I will be more than happy to discuss with you.

Sam said...

1MoreMuslim thinks he can use pathetic arguments and get away with it. He also thinks he can use the same kind of arguments which Christians use to defend against the imperfection of his god and get away with it.

Let me quote the lexical meaning of taba and tawwab one more time:

= Ta-Waw-Ba = TO RETURN; REPENT; TURN ONE’S SELF IN A REPENTANT MANNER (with ila or without it), TURN with mercy (with ala), ADAPT.

taba vb. (1)

His analogy with the wind changing from east to west backfires against him since, if he had actually been paying attention, he would have seen that I said that Allah CHANGED HIS COURSE OF ACTION. The similarity between the two is that boh of them changed their course and direction. Thus, much like the wind changes direction Allah also changed his direction since he changed his course of action from wanting to punish someone to forgiving them after he saw their repentance. In other words, Allah had to have changed his mind in order to decide not to go ahead with the punishment which he said he was about to unleash on rebel sinners.

In light of this, an someone please explain to me why it is so hard for 1MoreMuslim to see that if Allah says he is going to punish a people for their sins, but then decides not to punish them because they repented, that this means THAT ALLAH CHANGED HIS MIND AND REPENTED FROM BRINGING THE PUNISHMENT HE SAID HE WOULD? Does it really take a genius to understand this point?

If anyone needs to understand the difference between Genesis 6:6, and the meaning of nacham, with Allah performing tawba or repentance, it is 1MoreMuslim. He is comparing apples with pineapples here, and until he learns the difference between the two then it is obvious that it is a waste of time discussing with him any further.

Aiman said...

New to this site, I have already read enough. Early in the essay 2:37 is misquoted. The verse doesn't even make sense saying Allaah is repenting/oft-repenting . . . he is responsive to repenting/oft-responsive . . . he is forgiving/oft-forgiving. And how can you say that Allaah turning to a repented soul means Allaah changed His mind. The writer is ill in the heart.

Gottschalk said...

Aiman

Sam Shamoun is only using the muslim argument against YHWH i the Bible against their own Quranic Allah. If you think that Sam's argument makes no sense against Allah in the qur'an, it means that the muslim argument on YHWH's repentence in the Bible makes no sense either.

1MoreMuslim said...

Gottschalk:
There is no passage in the Quran like Genesis 6:6 not even close. All Sam has to do is to show Allah punished people then he repented that he PUNISHED them. Allah never regretted having punished people for their inequity, and he renew the punishment if they return to do evil. Sam 's whole argument is based on confusing verbs with compound verbs. Imagine if a one confuses "Give" and "Give up".

Sam said...

Part 1

1More keeps digging himself in a deeper hole every time he opens his mouth to speak or, in this case, types:

There is no passage in the Quran like Genesis 6:6 not even close. All Sam has to do is to show Allah punished people then he repented that he PUNISHED them. Allah never regretted having punished people for their inequity, and he renew the punishment if they return to do evil. Sam 's whole argument is based on confusing verbs with compound verbs. Imagine if a one confuses "Give" and "Give up".

This is what you get from someone who thinks he knows what he is talking about. To begin with, the verb nacham denotes the fact that God isn't some indifferent, emotionless idol like Muhammad's black stone which he smothered, but is a Being who truly expresses anger and pain over man's rebellion against him, despite his repeated acts of love and mercy toward them.

We can't help it that 1More's idol whom he worships is an emotionless tyrant who could care less about his creation.

See my next post.

Sam said...

Part 2

However, let me assist 1More in learning to think critically by asking him a series of questions about his sterile, impotent deity.

1. When Allah destroys cities, towns, villages etc. does he do so because of his hate and anger towards them?

2. If you say yes then when Allah repents from punishing a people that he has threatened to destroy, does this mean that their repentance caused him to no longer be angry with them?

3. If you say yes, then doesn't this mean that Allah not only repented from destroying them but that his thoughts and emotions also changed towards them?

4. However, if you say no then are you telling u that Allah still remains angry with the people whom he repented from destroying due to their own repentance? So was Allah still angry at Nineveh when he changed his mind about destroying them?

5. Or, are you saying that Allah was never angry to begin with so that he simply destroyed them just because he could so since he remains indifferent towards people's sins?

6. If this is your view, then thank you for proving that your god is not worth worshiping since he is no god at all, but Satan himself.

More in the next post.

Sam said...

Part 3

It is now time to teach 1More a lesson or two about verbs and compound verbs.

1. When the Quran uses the verbs tawwab and taba to describe people who repented of their wickedness doesn't this imply that they gave up something in order to do something else? I.e., didn't they give up their specific sins, whether disbelief, idolatry, fornication etc., and replaced that with belief, moral purity etc.?

2. Wouldn't this also imply that these people must have had a change of heart and attitude towards their sins? In other words, wouldn't this mean that they regretted their former evil ways?

3. If you answer yes then when the Quran uses the same exact verbs to describe what Allah does whenever his servants turn to him from their disbelief or sins, namely repent and turn towards them, wouldn't this also mean that Allah must have given up something in order to do something? I.e. didn't Allah have to give up his plans of destroying these people and decide to forgive them instead?

4. Wouldn't this further show that Allah's attitude and thoughts towards these individuals changed also, i.e. Allah went from being angry at them to now being happy and satisfied with them due to their repentance?

In other words, when are you going to learn to give up since the more you open your mouth to defend your false god the more opportunities you give me to not only expose your false beliefs, but to also show what kind of inconsistent, deceptive hypocrite you really are?

As anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear that have been reading these exchanges can attest, the very arguments you try to raise against Christianity can be used more forcefully raised against your false god. Yet instead of doing the honest thing by abandoning your false prophet, you continue to believe in your false god even though you know that your religion suffers from the same problems that you imagine Christianity has.

Inconsistency, thy name is 1MoreMuslim!

Yochanan said...

1MoreMuslim I dont really understand you objection.
God's wants us to worship and follow him. When we dont do it, God is sad and is not pleased with us.
But if we change, then God takes note of our change, and becomes pleased with us.
In other words, God's mind does not change. He hates sin and loves purity.
So when it is told that God repented or regretted etc, these are just human words to describe the fact that God is or is not satisfied by his people. But in the end, God never changed his mind, he always hates sin and loves purity.

So i really dont get your point, except playing on words with a kind of atheist argumentation.

1MoreMuslim said...

Sam Shamshoun

"5. Or, are you saying that Allah was never angry to begin with so that he simply destroyed them just because he could so since he remains indifferent towards people's sins?

6. If this is your view, then thank you for proving that your god is not worth worshiping since he is no god at all, but Satan himself."

You know very well that is not the description of God in Islam, but it's rather the Concept of God with CALVINISTS. I would like that you say to your friend James White that his God is Satan himself, because he destroyed people without any crime they commit, just to express his "Sovereignty". And Calvinists believe that God saved some people not because of anything good they did. So When you throw a stone, pay attention not to hit your fellow Christians on their head.

" didn't Allah have to give up his plans of destroying these people and decide to forgive them instead?"
That is what you should prove, I am still waiting. You have to prove that Allah made changes, which are not planned, good luck.

1MoreMuslim said...

To Yochanan:

"But if we change, then God takes note of our change, and becomes pleased with us."
Sam shamoun doesn't seem to understand your point, I completely agree with you.

You look honest searcher, I will explain my objection in few words:
-When God turn to people with Mercy and forgiveness, that is God's compassion.
-When God gets angry upon people, we call that God's wrath and justice.
-When God feels angry or sorry or whatever the Hebrew Nacham means, about something God has done himself, that is called ignorance.
Genesis 6:6 doesn't say God repented that people got wicked, it says God repented that HE created man. Which implies that Yahweh did not foresee that men will be wicked.

Sam said...

1Morecontinues to expose his ignorance so I am going to conintu to expose him. Notice what he says to Yochanan:

-When God TURN TO people with Mercy and forgiveness, that is God's compassion.

Why would Allah need to TURN to people with mercy and forgiveness if they were already under his mercy to begin with? Can you not see that according to your own words that Allah must have turned FROM SOMETHING, i.e. not granting mercy and forgiveness, TO SOMETHING ELSE, to then granting mercy and forgiveness?

-When God GETS ANGRY upon people, we call that God's wrath and justice.

So your god gets angry? In order for him to GET angry he must have gone from not being angry to being angry. In other words, ALLAH'S CONDITION AND DISPOSITION HAD TO CHANGE IN ORDER FOR HIM TO GET ANGRY!!!!

Is it really that hard for you to comprehend basic logic?

So what was that about Yahweh grieving again?

Sam said...

I can't let 1More get away with this lie and slander:

You know very well that is not the description of God in Islam, but it's rather the Concept of God with CALVINISTS. I would like that you say to your friend James White that his God is Satan himself, because he destroyed people without any crime they commit, just to express his "Sovereignty". And Calvinists believe that God saved some people not because of anything good they did. So When you throw a stone, pay attention not to hit your fellow Christians on their head.

I challenge you to quote White or any other Calvinist who says that God destroyed people without committing any crime or sin. You again have confused your god, Satan, with the true God worshiped by Calvinists.

Since you just don't know when to shut your mouth, it seems that I am going to have to send Wood the other post where I prove that it is the god of Muhammad, who is actually Satan masquerading as God, that actually creates people to do evil in order to destroy them.

So keep opening your mouth, since this gives me the great pleasure of helping you repeatedly dig both your feet deep down inside it.

Sam said...

Anyway, it is obvious that 1More has nothing substantially to offer except to repeatedly deny the massive amount of evidence form his own sources which proves that his god changes his mind and repents much like creatures do. Therefore, there will be no need for me to respond any further to 1More's smokescreens.

Time for me to start working on the other post where I will show that Allah creates people to do evil and then subsequently destroys them for it.

1MoreMuslim said...

Sam the unlearned Apologist:
Have you ever heard about Total depravity and UNCONDITIONAL election? DR White Is a Calvinist who can teach you about this.
Before the creation, Yahweh elected some to be saved and the rest to burn in Hell without ANY good or bad they did. Of course its inconsistent with the Bible, just like any other Christian denomination.

Yochanan said...

1moremuslim ok, i understand your point now.
But the fact is that Genesis 6:6 is a figure of speach to say that God was displeased by his creation weakness, even if he knew it would happen.
I dont really see here any point to make against YHWH or the Bible.

I think that John Gill well explained it:

"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
&c.] Because of the wickedness of man, the wickedness of his heart, and the wickedness of his life and conversation, which was so general, and increased to such a degree, that it was intolerable; wherefore God could have wished, as it were, that he had never made him, since he proved so bad; not that repentance, properly speaking, can fall upon God, for he never changes his mind or alters his purposes, though he sometimes changes the course and dispensations of his providence. This is speaking by an anthropopathy, after the manner of men, because God determined to do, and did something similar to men, when they repent of anything: as a potter, when he has formed a vessel that does not please him, and he repents that he has made it, he takes it and breaks it in pieces; and so God, because of man's wickedness, and to show his aversion to it, and displicency at it, repented of his making him; that is, he resolved within himself to destroy him, as in the next verse, which explains this:

and it grieved him at his heart"

God is simply displeased with his creation depravity. I mean it is obvious, only a bias reading can imply another understanding of the text.

1MoreMuslim said...

Yochana:
I completely agree that the understanding of God of the Bible is not viewed trough literal reading of verses. I personally never took Gen 6:6 as a real issue , after all, there are many verses in the Bible where God is omniscient. So we should have a balanced view and interpret these verses in light of clear verses about God's attributes. Something that Sam doesn't want to exercise in his reading of Islamic sources. I have only objected when Sam uses Tu Quoque fallacy, trying to prove that Allah repents in the Quran, distorting the Arabic language in the process. And even then, I did not respond, but when Dr James White picked the same blunder, I felt that I should step in. I have just given them a lesson of basic Arabic.

CristoTeAma said...

Hehe i have noticed that 1Moremuslim is answering "easy posts" instead of facing the arguments Sam is making. You only have to use some logic. I see it like this:

YHWH: All my creation is sinning, they just won't do justice, i will drown them all, oh wait Noah is Just, i'm not anger at him, i will save him.

Allah: This Jews and Christians are such a sinners, not recognizing Muhammad i will send them all to hell, oh wait some of them are becoming muslims i'm not anger at those, i will save those.

I'm not a scholar so don't refute me since i really want to see the answers you have for Sam's arguments, i just wanted to point the way i see this, maybe i'm wrong too XD .