Saturday, July 23, 2011

Muslims Enforcing Sharia in the UK?

Many people in the world rejoiced when Osama bin Laden was killed. The leader of the world's most notorious terrorist group, responsible for thousands of deaths around the world, had been shot in the face by Seal Team Six, and some were convinced that his death would make the world a slightly more peaceful place. President Barack Obama received a brief popularity jolt simply for being the U.S. leader in charge of the military when bin Laden was killed.

The hopes of peace lovers were dashed, however, when documents recovered by Seal Team Six proved that bin Laden had visited Mayberry, North Carolina, in the 1960s, a visit which culminated in a long-term relationship with the Sheriff's son, Opie Taylor. Unbeknownst to the world, bin Laden and Opie ultimately fathered a "love child." Shunned in the U.S. because he shares bin Laden's DNA, and unable to pass for Muslim in Afghanistan due to his red hair, the child is now enforcing Sharia in Great Britain.

The following article was posted by the Daily Star, and removed shortly thereafter. Were there inaccuracies in the reporting? Perhaps our friends in the UK can keep us updated.

United Kingdom--Hardcore Islamists have vowed to ban booze and mixing between the sexes in new Sharia law enforcement zones across the UK.

The move will see specific areas flooded with thousands of stickers saying "no gambling", "no music or concerts", "no porn or prostitution" and "no drugs or smoking".

The posters declare: "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone - Islamic rules enforced."

The radicals will kick off their controlled zones in the London borough of Waltham Forest later this month.

They also claim their hardline rules will be policed by thousands of "Sharia cops" on the streets.

Preacher Anjem Choudary has called the scheme an alternative to government attempts to combat violent extremism under the Prevent strategy.

Last night the former al-Muhajiroun and Islam4UK leader warned: "The Prevent strategy introduced by Theresa May is going to be countered in the next couple of weeks beginning in Waltham Forest where there will be a Sharia controlled zone sticker campaign.

"This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes - the fruits if you like of Western civilisation.

"This will be a very heavy leafleting campaign aimed at both the Muslim and non-Muslim community in terms of what the Sharia means economically, socially and politically.

"Waltham Forest, including Walthamstow and Leyton, will also be targeted with a march.

"We want to run the area as a Sharia controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.

"We want to create an area where Muslims can live together, make transactions with each other, and interact between themselves rather than with the wider community."

The ex-lawyer added: "There are 25 areas around the country which the Government has earmarked as areas where violent extremism is a problem.

"We are going to go to all these same areas and implement our own Sharia controlled zones.

"This is the best way for dealing with drunkenness and loutishness, prostitution and the sort of thug life attitude you get in British cities.

"We live among the non-Muslims but we have to distinguish ourselves from them."

In May we told how Choudary had announced plans to set up teams of Islamic "Guardian Angels" to help implement Sharia law across the UK. He reckoned the "Sharia cops" would do a better job of policing Muslim areas than traditional officers.

Choudary said: "We now have hundreds if not thousands of people up and down the country willing to go out and patrol the streets for us and a print run of between 10,000 and 50,000 stickers ready for distribution."

Last night Jamaal Uddin, 17, was pictured putting up Sharia controlled zone stickers in Walthamstow.

The Muslims Against Crusades member, who said he "embraced Islam" 11 months ago said: "Allah has told us alcohol, drugs, pornography, music and concerts are all forbidden under Islam.

"That is why it is our duty to go out and spread his word among Muslims and the wider community."

GreekAsianPanda coming to remind us that Sharia has nothing to do with Islam in three . . . two . . .


Juniper in the Desert said...

In the UK, whenever you see a gathering of mozlems there are always the "gingers" as they are known here. For some reason, maybe bullying, they are a disproportionate group who convert to islam.
Just looking at this boys' features, he is pure Anglo-Saxon - his nose, his white skin.
I think it was a silly prank! :))

Radical Moderate said...

That kid was featured in a documetarty that was posted on BlindBarts blog.

donna60 said...

My grandma was a member of the the Prohibitionist party in the US. Does that make her wicked? What about "dry" counties in the US? Should they be outlawed?

I wish the US would outlaw alcohol, gambling and pornography. I would vote for that candidate in 1/2 of a NY minute.

Radical Moderate said...

Donna60 wrote...

"My grandma was a member of the the Prohibitionist party in the US. Does that make her wicked?"

My Grandfather was a bootlegger in Chicago during prohibition. He made a lot of money thanks to people like your grandmother.

You also wrote...
"I wish the US would outlaw alcohol, gambling and pornography. I would vote for that candidate in 1/2 of a NY minute."

I got goodnews, you dont have to wait, you can move to a lovely islamic kraptakistan of your choice. I hear that the open sewege lakes in Gaza are lovely this time of year.

Joe Bradley said...

Donna, you are correct regarding VOTING for a candidate that embraces your values. The problem with Shariah is that nobody gets a chance to vote for it or the thugs that come to enforce it.

The Gates of Ijtihad were closed in the 10th century so there will be no change in Shariah anytime soon.

AKunde said...


Between this post and the previous one (blaming Muslims for an attack upon an assumption - with no retraction when it was discovered to be a Christian after all) I have realised two things:

1) Is it any wonder Nabeel left you guys? Perhaps the remnants of his Islamic chivalry caused him to abort Acts 17?

2) Why do I bother even reading this stuff? I'm so disappointed that an alleged academic like David would even put his name to claims of homosexual love children and the like.

Seriously, people, if this is Christianity - it's all yours.

David Wood said...

Abdullah Kunde said: "Between this post and the previous one (blaming Muslims for an attack upon an assumption - with no retraction when it was discovered to be a Christian after all) I have realised two things."

What was the assumption, Abdullah? That when a Muslim terrorist group claims responsibility for a terrorist attack, it's probably a Muslim terrorist attack? I'll ask the same question I asked GreekAsianPanda. Are you telling me that when a Muslim claims responsibility for an action, I should assume he's lying? Are you telling me to assume that Muslims are liars?

Abdullah Kunde said: "Is it any wonder Nabeel left you guys? Perhaps the remnants of his Islamic chivalry caused him to abort Acts 17?"

Ha! Ha! Ha! Is that your theory? You Christianophobes are some of the the most hilarious gossips in the world. Are you getting your information about Nabeel from Yahya Snow?

Abdullah Kunde said: "Why do I bother even reading this stuff? I'm so disappointed that an alleged academic like David would even put his name to claims of homosexual love children and the like."

It's called a joke. The kid looks like a cross between Opie Taylor and Osama bin Laden. I forgot there's no humor in Islam. But while you're in a condemning mood, can I get your official comment on Abu Bakr, when he told a polytheist to "go suck al-Lat's clitoris"? Do you condemn Abu Bakr? He's obviously saying something far more offensive than anything I've ever said on this blog. So if you're consistent, you'll have to condemn him. (BTW, I find it disturbing that you're more offended about a joke than about bin Laden slaughtering unbelievers in the name of Islam, or his son Opie Jr. attempting to establish Sharia in the U.K.)

Abdullah Kunde said: "Seriously, people, if this is Christianity - it's all yours."

INCONSISTENCY ALERT. Regardless of the actions of Muslims, we are told that we must never condemn the religion based on the actions of Muslims. Indeed, if a Muslim slaughters thousands of innocent people, we are told not to condemn Islam because of the Muslim's actions. Yet here Abdullah shows his hypocrisy. A Muslim group claims responsibility for a terrorist attack, and I assume that Muslims probably committed the terrorist attack, and Abdullah condemns Christianity for my actions!

Seriously, Abdullah, if this is Islam--it's all yours.

donna60 said...

Radical Moderate

Your grandfather and his fellow criminals caused a lot of problems in Chicago, as well as other places.

Meanwhile, my grandfather and grandmother were attending church, giving charity and were known in their community for their nondiscrimination of blacks or the poor.

My other grandmother was a school teacher, who also attended church, and was productive and helpful in her community.

There are inheritances, and then there are real inheritances.

Proverbs 13:22
22 A good person leaves an inheritance for their children’s children,
but a sinner’s wealth is stored up for the righteous.

Deleting said...

Not to mention that the shooter's description says 'christian'. In Norway it's more a distinction than a religion. They name everyone Christian even if they don't profess a religious denomination.
If Mr. Kunde wishes to press this further that the man is a true Christian, then I'm going to insist that the Ahmadiyya are true muslims. After all, they pray like the muslims, they believe in the prophet. They're muslim.

Cristo Te Ama said...

I'm sad, i didn't know Nabeel left u guys.. i saw his videos in a web site, one of them was "islam 101" it was cool, i know u won't tell me why he left, buy at least i hope he just left the web site and not Jesus, that would be enough for me :)

Joe Bradley said...


A MUSLIM terrorist group claimed responsibility for this atrocity on a Jihadi website, in Arabic no less, within minutes after it occurred and at least 24 hours prior to Norwegian Police developing any other suspects.

Why did these Muslims lie about such a horrific act, enraging the world against Muslims? Muslims foul their nest wherever they go making the worldwide disdain against them understandable. They are their own worst enemy and, to now complain about the wrongful judgement that the world placed upon them before they caught the shooter is like a child who kills his parents complaining that he is an orphan.

Tania said...

@AKunde and others,

At first, a lot of the early reports were claiming he was a "Fundamentalist Christian."
Though, his manifesto says otherwise.
I found this tidbit on another blog:

"PZ Myers, who’s reputed to be less than sympathetic to the Christian faith, skimmed Breivik’s 1500 page manifesto. Here are some of the quotes:

I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person as that would be a lie. I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment.

Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state for example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I'll say directly that this is my agenda as well.

If praying will act as an additional mental boost/soothing it is the pragmatical thing to do. I guess I will find out... If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past. I am pursuing religion for this very reason and everyone else should as well, providing it will give you a mental boost.

No, those are not the statements of a professing Christian, much less a credible profession of faith."

David Wood said...

CristoTeAma said: "I'm sad, i didn't know Nabeel left u guys."

Nabeel didn't leave anything. Nabeel and I were speaking at a conference several months ago, and a lawyer came up to us afterwards and offered to make us an incorporated 501c3 organization for free. But this required a clear mission statement. As we discussed our mission plans, we realized that we don't do much together (we make an occasional video together, and we speak at some of the same events), and that we had different plans for the future. So we decided to form two separate ministries. Since I run this blog, and since I've made more videos, Nabeel said I should probably keep the name Acts 17, and he would come up with a new ministry name.

Somehow Abdullah and the other gossips look at this and claim that we've had a massive falling out (absolute nonsense--nothing has changed except that we're not under the same name anymore). This would be like me saying, "Yahya Seymour left the Muslim Debate Initiative! It must be because he despises the actions and views of MDI! Yahya condemns his former organization!" It would never occur to me to say anything like this, because it requires too much speculation.

Unknown said...

Donna60, as a Biblical Christian, you should know alcohol is not a moral issue.

How dare you lump a gift from God (alcoholic beverages) in with the wicked lustful perversion of pornography.

In his earthly incarnation, Jesus drank wine. In his earthly incarnation, Jesus made wine!

He promises wine to be on the table at the great wedding feast of the lamb!

You have no right to do injury and violence to the scriptures in this way.

Legalism like you promote only promotes and fosters festering sin. It does nothing for sanctification of spirit or body. Quite the opposite.

Truth said...

"no gambling" is alright "no porn or prostitution" is alright "no drug" is alright.

But thousands of "Sharia cops" on the streets, "no alcohol" and "no music or concerts" ???

What nonsense ???
If anybody drinks alcohol in a limited way, whats the problem ?? everybody drinks alcohol is not drunkard. so whats the problem ??

And music. Whats the problem with music ??????????????????????

As there is no logic then we also can say "NO BEARD". Muslims can not keep BEARD.

If they stop music because they don't want it. Then, I can say - NO BEARD because I don't like to see a face with beard.

Chris H said...

Anyone else feel a desire to head over to one of these zones with a video camera, and test the enforcement?

Some music, a cold beverage... that's a nice summer evening for many people. Catching someone breaking the actual law of the land on video camera would make it all the sweeter.

Cristo Te Ama said...

David Wood said...

"Nabeel didn't leave anything
Thans for the answer David,..."

Thanks for the answer David, it might be even better that way(God Willing!!), since you can make the good work from different views.

I pray for You Guys keep on.!

My Two Sense said...

I guess I am a little confused as to how there can be a "Sharia Law Enforcement Zone" unless:

a.) The local police just don't come into a Muslim majority area to enforce local laws(?)

b.) The non-Muslims in these "enclaves" somehow think this is a "good idea" (or perhaps have no choice in the matter(?)

c.) The UK community at large is looking the other way.

It's one thing to not eat pork or not drink alcohol or wear a hijab because it's against your religion... it's another thing altogether to enforce your values on to a large community of people some of which do not share your religion or values... especially somewhere that is supposed to be a "western democracy".

Tolerance goes both ways and tolerance is not acceptance.

My Two Sense said...

"That is why it is our duty to go out and spread his word among Muslims and the wider community."

Why to we need to have Sharia cops enforcing Sharia law among Muslims AND THE WIDER COMMUNITY? I thought there was no compulsion in religion.

Oh wait...

My Two Sense said...

donna said: "I wish the US would outlaw alcohol, gambling and pornography. I would vote for that candidate in 1/2 of a NY minute."

Yeah. I would NEVER vote for that candidate. Ever. In fact, I would vote for the opposition even if I didn't agree with any of their other talking points just because of their stances on the issues you mentioned.

Aargh. I hate to be the only person here "defending" pornography (which I'm not)... so I'll just say I believe that what people decide to watch or do in their own homes is their business and no one else's. If they want to go to a strip club and waste their money... If they are gay and want to get married (I have gay friends who are married and they are good friends of mine) more power to them. I am sure to get emphatic rebuttals to this and I fully expect them. Sorry. I can only use Jesus's quote of "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Perhaps David will disagree... and I know there is a second part of that quote which is "go and sin no more"... but I don't profess to be the Son of God so therefore I cannot judge.

Since I have stated in other posts that I worked in a casino a long time ago and personally hate casinos... and I also know a few people with gambling problems... Would I advocate a law against gambling? Reluctantly, no. There are two casinos in the town where I live and the usual argument for them is that they "bring in revenue and jobs to the local community". Plus the casino revenue has gone a long way to "beautify" the town and "bring back other businesses". I hate and abhor gambling, but I cannot deny that my local community has benefited from the two casinos here. I worked at one myself when I needed employment... sometimes you just have to swallow your pride and do what is necessary. that is why I do not judge a woman working at a strip club if she is doing it to pay the bills.

As far as alcohol is concerned... I used to live in a predominantly "Christian" college town which historically had "dry" laws. Recently the local grocery store could only sell alcohol until 10pm... but if you drive down the street less than a mile to the next town you could buy liquor until well after midnight.

You also couldn't attend the local private college unless you signed a waiver that stated that you wouldn't "have sex, do drugs, drink, smoke or dance" (I kid you not) on pain of being expelled. Apparently the school hadn't had a dance in the last 50 years.

I can't tell you how many times one of my (I'm guessing here) "Christian" neighbors gave me dirty looks or asked me if I was a "heavy drinker" because I had the audacity to drive to the next town over and buy a six-pack of Blue Moon or St. Pauly Girl after 10pm and drink it in the comfort of my own apartment. One older lady was so judgmental that I eventually quit trying to say "hi" and be friendly to her at all.

My point is I have personally experienced "Christians" enforcing their social mores on "the community"... but by comparison "Muslims Enforcing Sharia?" I don't think I could live there.

vanhetgoor said...

It'll be fun on the streets of the London borough of Waltham Forest. According to the holy koran heroin is not forbidden, neither is morphine or cannabis. And sexual intercourse with girls under ten years of age is also allowed.

Pornography is something you have to look for, and aim your attention to, but the rape of children is something else.

Sharia-controlled streets will be fun for child rapist and other sex-offenders, junks & drugs dealers.