Friday, July 22, 2011

At Least Seven Dead, Fifteen Injured in Terror Attack in Norway

I know what you're thinking. All religions teach the same thing. Hence, this could just as easily be an attack by disgruntled Methodists or frustrated Shaolin monks as by Muslims. Yes, so long as we ignore history and the teachings of Islam, it's perfectly reasonable to avoid jumping to conclusions.







***UPDATE*** Rumors are spreading that the youth camp attack may have nothing to do with Islam!

As many as 30 people are feared dead in a shooting at a Norwegian youth camp after a bomb in the capital, Oslo, killed at least seven.

Shots were fired by a man dressed as a police officer at a youth meeting of the ruling Labour Party in Utoya - an island around 20 miles from the capital.

He has been named in Norway as Anders Behring Breivik - an anonymous official said he was believed to have been working alone.

Police said they do not think the attacks were linked to Islamic terrorism.

An eyewitness reported seeing between 25 and 30 bodies on the island.

Police have confirmed that 17 people were killed, but said that was a preliminary figure which they expected to rise. (Read more.)

51 comments:

Mike A Robinson said...

Well, the only Shaolin monk I have seen has been the fictional Kwai Chang Caine. He never advocated the murder of innocents and he never plotted to murder people for his religion; if an accurate film was produced concerning Muhammad’s life, it would not be able to receive a Film rating due to the massive amount of blood he spilled and the enormous amount of bodies piled up from Muhammad’s advancement of Islam by the sword. Methodists, Buddhist monks, Nuns, and the like maybe a bit boring, but I’d rather sit next to one of them on an airplane. Keep up the fine work, but I’m afraid that even learning super Kung Fu would not adequately protect you from an Islamic homicide bomber.

Bartimaeus said...

It is too earlie to tell but if I were a betting man I would put my omoney on the religion of peace and tolerance.

ALLAHU AKBAR

characterbuilder said...

David has it been confirmed that Muslim terrorists were the attackers?

Joe Bradley said...

Hopefully Europe (and Australia) is starting to wake up to Islam. If there is no other way to convert the non-believer, they will kill them into submission:

SURA 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

GreekAsianPanda said...

Eyewitnesses say that the shooter looked Nordic, so I kind of doubt this terror attack is Islamic in nature. Then again, it could possibly be a case of "white trash jihad." I guess we'll have to wait and see.

GreekAsianPanda said...

There's no link to Islamists; it's a right-winger.

Anders Behring Breivik (32) in Oslo was arrested after the bombing and mass killing

So what have we learned today, David?

Joe Bradley said...

Ambassador John Bolton was just interviewed on Fox News and he is very suspect of the Norwegian story. He believes that it would be a stretch to think that Anders Behring Breivik acted alone due to the amount of places he had to be in within such a short period of time.

Mr. Bolton implies that it would be more politically correct for Norweigan officials to place the blame on a single individual and claim that he is unaffiliated with Middle East terrorists than to admit that Middle East terrorists were allowed to strike within Norway.

There is one Arabic jihadi website that is reportedly claiming that this WAS the work of Middle East terrorists.

I guess time will tell.

More on this by [Clicking Here]

Radical Moderate said...

WOW did you guys here that? Its the sound of all the Muslims in the wold exhaling a sigh of releif.

Muslims you can start can start breathing again, turns out to everyone's surprise that the Norway killer wasn't a MUSLIM.

Now that is a shocker, I wonder how many people saw that one coming.

Nazam said...

Luckily you didn't place that bet after all; Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old suspect, is a right-wing extremist with a Christian back-ground. See his profile on BBC.

From a Dutch website, that links Pam Geller (Atlas Shrug)to the Norwegian killer, as well his links to white supremacist and pro Israel far right groups, like SIOA, EDL and Atlas Shrugs

Apparently, the norwegian far right Anders has also praised Geert Wilders PVV party as being the only true party.

Anyone have Geert Wilders response to this? Please post if anything comes up

‘Verdachte aanslag en schietpartij heeft sympathie voor PVV’
http://welingelichtekringen.nl/14368-schutter-heeft-sympathie-voor-pvv.html

Google translate from Dutch to English

‘Suspicious attack and shootings have sympathy for PVV’

Anders Breivik Behring, the man suspected of the bombing and the shooting on the island, according to Fox News Utoya sympathy for Geert Wilders. On a Swedish news site he would have said that the Freedom Party is the only “true” conservative party. The media were not critical enough towards Islam.

David Wood said...

Nazam said: "Luckily you didn't place that bet after all; Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old suspect, is a right-wing extremist with a Christian back-ground. See his profile on BBC."

Ha! Nazam came here to brag that there's finally another terrorist attack that didn't come from Muslims. When adherents of a religion rejoice that they're not responsible for 100% of terrorist attacks in the world, I think that says something about their religion.

GreekAsianPanda said: "So what have we learned today, David?"

I can't think of anything I've learned. Do you mean we should have learned something like "Not all terrorist are Muslims"? We already knew that. We know that there's the occasional Timothy McVeigh. We also know that the Tim McVeighs are rare and that terrorist attacks are usually committed by Muslims killing in the name of Allah. Or, do you think everyone learned that Islam is a religion of peace? How would a non-Muslim terrorist attack prove that Islam is peaceful?

Joe Bradley said...

WOW, I'm pretty sure that the thousands who died in the World Trade Center feel better. Christian Martinez, the guy who was whipped by Muslims in Australia, probably doesn't even feel his welts after he heard the news.

This changes everything!!!

Joe Bradley said...

Not So Fast!

CBS News reports:

"A group called "Helpers of Global Jihad" has taken responsibility for the bomb which ripped open buildings, including the prime minister's office, in Norway's capital, CBS News has learned."

The jury is still out on just who is responsible.

[Click here for more on this story]

M.C. said...

Well, we can let the muslims off the hook on this one. They said it was a right wing extremist. I am surprised by this because I do remember either norway's or finland's last election being a bit charged. But no one would have expected something like this. So sorry for those Norwegians. Its almost like attacking a Canadian. Such peace loving folks.

mkvine said...

GAP,

I think all of us would condemn any terrorist attack committed by anyone of any background. You, however, continually try to justify and even make excuses for muslim terrorist. And even when it is proven to be islamically related, you still doubt it. Why?

mkvine said...

Nazam,

Wow! He wasn't a Muslim, what a huge surprise! I guess these rare events do occur.

Lupus el Lobo said...

David said:

Ha! Nazam came here to brag that there's finally another terrorist attack that didn't come from Muslims. When adherents of a religion rejoice that they're not responsible for 100% of terrorist attacks in the world, I think that says something about their religion.

I say:

Actually according to Europol out of the 249 terrorist attacks in 2010 only three were comitted by Islamists.
Dave I suggest you get your facts straight before opening your ignorant mouth.

characterbuilder said...

David, did you "jump" the proverbial gun with the intro comments on your post?

David Wood said...

CharacterBuilder said: "David, did you "jump" the proverbial gun with the intro comments on your post?"

I don't see how. I simply pointed out how silly it is that people insist that all religious believers are equally likely to commit a terrorist act. If all systems are equally likely to inspire violence, why is everyone so surprised that this wasn't a Muslim? It's because we're so used to Muslims committing terrorist acts, which proves the point: Not all religious systems inspire violence the way Islam does.

Let's alter the scenario. Say you're about to roll a six-sided die. I say, "It probably won't be a five." And I'd be right. It will probably be something other than a five. Of course, a five might come up. But this doesn't mean I "jumped the gun" by saying that it would probably be a different number.

Out of curiosity, when there's a terrorist attack, and a Muslim group claims responsibility (which is what happened yesterday), you're saying that it's "jumping the gun" to post videos and say that it's silly to claim that all religions have an equal probability of being responsible? (Note: Even after Muslims claimed responsibility, I still didn't identify the terrorists as Muslims. I simply pointed out where the probability lies. That's not enough restraint?)

minoria said...

Hello Nazam,

I thought yo no longer read answeringmuslims,your appearence has taken me by utter surprise.

YOU SAID:

"Luckily you didn't place that bet after all; Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old suspect, is a right-wing extremist with a Christian back-ground. See his profile on BBC."

You and all the others should check out this video that shows the BBC is doing bad reporting.

It shows he was a member of the liberal party in Norway.Now you dont think liberal=fascist,do you?

PLUS,that he was a "Christian" is not so.

http://youtu.be/Pi3yn33s308

Chuck said...

I notice the press today talking about extreme right-wingers. And I notice that Liberals are also talking about skinheads, white supremacists, and Neo-Nazis. Oh yeah and apparently this guy is pro-Israel. They are emphasizing he is pro-Israel. You can't be a neo-Nazi and pro-Israel at the same time. But the Liberals are sure no matter what political cause he aligns himself with he is a fundamentalist Christian.

Are there going to be the usual libs who jump down peoples throats to make sure the whole world knows the overwhelming majority of Christians are peace loving like they do when Islam is mentioned? They are always there to make sure we hear that disclaimer before going forward with a conversation on Islamic terrorism.

The emphasis also that this guy is pro-Israel and pro Geert Wilders is disturbing. When Muslims murder does the media make sure to emphasize that these Muslim radicals are anti-Israel and anti-Jew?

I also notice they say he is anti-Muslim and anti-immigration. He is anti-Muslim? So why did he terrorize and murder his fellow Norwegian people who were neither immigrants nor Muslims? This story nor his political beliefs or motives does not add up.

This doesn't mean that all religions are equal because all religions have their lunatics. Nor does it mean all beliefs are equal. What it does mean is that the only things that are equal are twisted, hateful, bigoted, ideologies that produce terror and death. And all these ideologies should combated just as equally with just as much prejudice. I have just as much hatred and disgust for this individual who murdered these innocent people as I do for the Islamic terrorists. I'm not going to use this attack to excuse the Islamic terrorists like liberals do. Whether it be neo-Nazis, skinheads, white supremacists, KKK, Islamists, right-wing extremism, left-wing extremism I am all against them equally because I believe in equality. One group should not be used to excuse the existence or operations of another. They should all go down equally. A crap ideology is a crap ideology.

Joe Bradley said...

It appears that the video at http://youtu.be/Pi3yn33s308
exposes 80% of all Norwegians as fitting the profile of the Oslow terrorist.

Lupus el Lobo said...

Hi Miniora,

According to the Norwegian police the man is a right wing Christian. I rather trust the Norwegian police rather than Christian fundies.

Guess what David he has in addition to religious affiliation another thing in common with you. He's a known Islamophobe who frequented blogs like these spilling out his hate.

David, keep up the good work someday one of your disciples will do a similar thing in the states.

Bartimaeus said...

es I wpuld have lost my money. And some are saying he was a Cristian right wing extermost.

let us assume for the sake of the arguement that the shooter was a Christian right wing extremist. The problem iwith tat argumet is his actions cannot be justified by anything written in tbe bible or the exmple of Jesus Christ. But if he were a Muslim jihadist his actions could be justified by the teachings of the Qur'an and the example of Mohammed.

GreekAsianPanda said...

@ David,

"I can't think of anything I've learned. Do you mean we should have learned something like "Not all terrorist are Muslims"? We already knew that. We know that there's the occasional Timothy McVeigh. We also know that the Tim McVeighs are rare and that terrorist attacks are usually committed by Muslims killing in the name of Allah. Or, do you think everyone learned that Islam is a religion of peace? How would a non-Muslim terrorist attack prove that Islam is peaceful?"

No. I mean that you should avoid jumping to conclusions and publishing your predictions so early, because they could turn out to be wrong. (And you were clearly saying that it was Muslims in the beginning of your post; don't even try to avoid it.)

If I recall correctly, when news was first released that there was a failed bombing attempt at Times Square, you exercised a lot of caution, saying as your first response, "It's too early to jump to conclusions." Whatever happened to that?

@ mkvine,

"I think all of us would condemn any terrorist attack committed by anyone of any background. You, however, continually try to justify and even make excuses for muslim terrorist. And even when it is proven to be islamically related, you still doubt it. Why?"

I assume you mean the one time I questioned whether or not it was wrong for the Taliban to execute a bunch of police officers they claimed had killed six children. But I suggested that it was justified if the officers actually DID do that. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about.

...

So anyway, I don't really blame anyone who, upon hearing about an attack in the Western world, at first thought it was the hand of Islamists, considering...

-Norway has been the target of threats for its involvement in Afghanistan and Libya.

-Three men were arrested last year in Norway because they might have had links with al-Qaeda and were planning a terrorist attack.

-The U.S. killed bin Laden very recently, which is a pretty big deal and has angered radical Muslims.

-Denmark has received a lot of threats for the Muhammad cartoons published in 2005.

-The Madrid attack of 2004.

-A Muslim man, angered by Sweden's involvement in Afghanistan and some Muhammad cartoons, attempted an attack in Stockholm last December.

So I can understand why a lot of people automatically assumed it was al-Qaeda or some lone jihadist. I just think it was kind of unwise to voice their thoughts so quickly.

The lesson we can learn from all this: Don't jump to conclusions.

David Wood said...

GAP said: "No. I mean that you should avoid jumping to conclusions and publishing your predictions so early, because they could turn out to be wrong. (And you were clearly saying that it was Muslims in the beginning of your post; don't even try to avoid it.)"

I've explained what I said, and now you're calling me a liar. Shouldn't you avoid jumping to such conclusions? Oh, I forgot. It's only Muslims who always get the benefit of the doubt.

How is this so difficult? When there's a terrorist attack, it's usually a Muslim. So when there was a bombing in Oslo, and police were saying it looked like an al-Qaeda attack, I made fun of the idea that all religious believers are equally likely to commit a terrorist attack. And a lone Norwegian bomber does nothing to change that. If Muslims commit 17,500 terrorist attacks over the past decade, and non-Muslims commit a few hundred, the probability that the next terrorist attack will be committed by a Muslim is quite high. True, it could always be a Shaolin monk or a Methodist, but such attacks are extremely rare by comparison. So how am I lying, GAP? Why shamelessly attack my integrity?

GAP said: "If I recall correctly, when news was first released that there was a failed bombing attempt at Times Square, you exercised a lot of caution, saying as your first response, "It's too early to jump to conclusions." Whatever happened to that?"

When there was a failed bombing attempt at Times Square, no one had claimed credit. When there was a bombing in Norway, Muslims claimed credit. Are you saying that when a Muslim says, "We're responsible for the bombing," I should assume he's lying? But why should I regard Muslims as liars, GAP? Why jump to such conclusions?

Kiwimac said...

There may still be links to Islamic terrorism- Pamela Geller on her website 'AtlasShrugs' has shown that the suspects facebook page was altered after he was arrested. Someone 'added' that he was a Christian fundamentalist. I wonder who?

Lupus el Lobo said...

Bart said:

let us assume for the sake of the arguement that the shooter was a Christian right wing extremist. The problem iwith tat argumet is his actions cannot be justified by anything written in tbe bible or the exmple of Jesus Christ. But if he were a Muslim jihadist his actions could be justified by the teachings of the Qur'an and the example of Mohammed.

I say:

The standard Christian argument, but we still have and always have had Christians who interpret the Bible as a text legitimizing violence. Either the text lends itself to misunderstandings or it does actually promote violence.
You can claim that Christians have for hundred of years misunderstood the Bible, and if so what kind of religion lends itself to so much misunderstanding.
You say Islam is a religion of violence but how many Jews and Muslims were left in Spain after the Muslims were ousted.
Ask yourself how many Christians are left in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Syria after more than a thousand years of Islamic rule. One thing is for sure we didn't exterminate them as the Christians in spain did with the Muslims and Jews.
Yeah by the way where did the Jew flee to. Perhaps, a tolerant Christian country?

Nazam said...

David, it was you who were bragging by trying to apply the attacks were probably committed a Muslim. When in fact Government statics show that more terrorist attacks have been committed by certain separatist and extreme right wing groups in the West than by Muslim groups.

"What have we learned?" we always knew extreme right wing christians were violent criminal thug terrorist, we didn't need yesterday's terrorism to confirm that for us.

minoria said...

Hello Lupus

You do know the evidence has appeared that after he was arrested somebody altered his facebook information.They added "Religion:Christian","Politics:Conservative."

In fact his facebook page was created only 5 days before the shooting.Since he was under arrest he could not have changed his facebook information somebody else had access to it.

Now for you the man is a "Christian"?

Tell me this,by the same way,are you willing to say Osama ben Laden was a Muslim?Yes or no?

And that Hamas,Hezbullah,the Taliban are Muslim?Yes or no?

If you say no,and I think you will say no,even though Al-Qaida,Hamas,Taliban,etc say all the time they are Muslim then in the same way even if the man says he is a "Christian" he is not one.

Joe Bradley said...

Nazam, you say:

"When in fact Government statics show that more terrorist attacks have been committed by certain separatist and extreme right wing groups in the West than by Muslim groups."

Where can I get a copy of these statistics?

Thanks.

mkvine said...

GAP,

You said: "I assume you mean the one time I questioned whether or not it was wrong for the Taliban to execute a bunch of police officers they claimed had killed six children. But I suggested that it was justified if the officers actually DID do that. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about."

I am taken aback by your comment. That is a very radical statement.

Kiwimac said...

Was it unreasonable to assume that this was the result of a Muslim terrorist? An article in the American Spectator reveals that 1) it was only a year ago that a plot by Al Qaeda to attack Norway was thwarted 2) the attacks were nearly simultaneous- an Al Qaeda calling card and 3)last week Norway indicted a Muslim for threats against politicians!
How many Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11?

Nazam said...

Joe said, Where can I get a copy of these statistics?


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/2010/RAND_OP292.pdf

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/

http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2007.pdf

http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2008.pdf

http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/EU_Terrorism_Situation_and_Trend_Report_TE-SAT/TESAT2009.pdf

Joe Bradley said...

"Kiwimac said...

Was it unreasonable to assume that this was the result of a Muslim terrorist?"

Not at all, especially since Muslim Radical Jihadi groups, immediately, took responsibility for it.

Muslims got caught up in their own lies and now they are complaining about being taken at their word.

The lesson to be learned through the Qur'an is that when a Muslim asserts something to be true, he may only be practicing Taqiyya and it is as likely to be false as true. This is, once again, punctuated by the (perhaps) false acceptance of responsibility by a Muslim Jihadi group.

Once again, this situation is not unlike a child killing his parents and the complaining that he is an orphan. If there is any misunderstanding, it is based on the, perhaps, false acceptance of responsibility for this bombing by Muslim Jihadi group(s).

Lupus el Lobo said...

Miniora said:

In fact his facebook page was created only 5 days before the shooting.Since he was under arrest he could not have changed his facebook information somebody else had access to it.

I say:

Ok let's for the sake of argument say it has been changed. However, there are a lot of other evidence of him being Christian. For instance his diary and internet postings.

Minoria said:

Tell me this,by the same way,are you willing to say Osama ben Laden was a Muslim?Yes or no?

And that Hamas,Hezbullah,the Taliban are Muslim?Yes or no?

If you say no,and I think you will say no,even though Al-Qaida,Hamas,Taliban,etc say all the time they are Muslim then in the same way even if the man says he is a "Christian" he is not one.

I say:

If they met the criteria for being muslims then they are Muslims. I can't say that a particular organization is muslim, only individuals. Moreover, in Islamic jurisprudence being a muslim is a legal status it doesn't tell us whether an individual is a good muslim or not. Ultimatley, only God knows that.
As for Usama bin Laden and people like him there is no islamic established scholar who condones their actions.Moreover, there is no Muslim country that wouldn't prosecute such individuals as criminals. May I add that Usama bin Laden was asked by Journalist why they targeted women and children although hadiths condemn such actions. His reply was that such commands weren't written in stone. That doesn't sound like an orthodox muslim to me.
If you like I can give you the reference.
As for Hamas, they are fighting for their freedom. Have they in that fight done un-islamic acts of violence against civilians? The answer is probably yes. We need to remember that Hamas didn't seek out Jews. The Jews came to their country and comitted genocide.
It's you who have to defend your view on the Israeli occupation and atrocities since you're probably one of those Christians who think it's legitimate for the Israelis to occupy the west bank and enforce an embargo on Gaza. I might be wrong.

Lupus el Lobo said...

Minoria said:

if the man says he is a "Christian" he is not one.

I say:

Who are you to say he's not a Christian? You yourself argue for the new covenant and doesn't the new covenant entail that a person is saved through faith and not works as in the old covenant?

TAREK said...

Dear friends I think many of you are exposing their level of undestanding by going to the point of insulting. Please behave yourselves.
Example of Lupus el Lobo said... Who wrote and i quote: "Dave I suggest you get your facts straight before opening your ignorant mouth." I think you need to stop and think for a minute of what you are writing and whom you are writing to. What you said is false first of all and you have the courage of calling someone ignorant, please you have a mirror in your room to look at yourself.

The only thing I will say to Dr. David is to ignore individuals like "lupus" because they do not understand the meaning of what you write. I know you are not made of glass please. You can see muslims are happy that at long last they will be left alone. But if one wants to link them it is very simple from the information we are getting, the terrorist killed because of the free ride given to muslims by the government of Norway which is leading to the review of Immigration system in Norway.
Regarding this current situation I'd like to challenge all the muslims to bring forward a single word not a verse from the HOLY BIBLE that justify this act of terror please
MAY YAHWE BLESS AND PROTECT YOU ALL IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

minoria said...

I want to add more about labels.

The Case of Nietzsche

Most probably the greatest philosopher of the 19th century he was an atheist.His masterpiece is Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

There Zarathustra/Zoroaster says "God is dead" and proclaims the Ubermensch or Superman

The Superman is the person who creates his own values without God,lives the full life.

The Nazi Interpretation of the Ubermensch

For Nietzsche the Superman was not the Aryan-Nordic man,it was not racial.The Nazis said it meant a race,the Aryan race.

The Historical Nietzsche and the Historical Jesus and Paul

The historical philosopher would have condemned the Nazis as being False Nietzcheans,as NOT being His Disciples.I don't think any Muslim would disagree the historical Nietzsche would be rights.

In the same way,the the Historical Jesus and Paul would say:"the KKK,the Positive Christianity of Nazism,the Inquisition,etc were NOT Christians"

TAREK said...

Waiting to hear from Mr. Osama he has not said anything so far about this issue Some good "taquyya" on the way. Dr. David the other thing they want from you si to see how they can information about Dr. Nabeel relationship with you. Well I'm glad you do know this type of tricks. MAY YAWEH BLESS you always IN JESUS' NAME AMEN.

John 8:24 said...

Lupus / Nazam,

It is not right to call this guy a "Christian fundamentalist". READ WHAT HE SAYS HIMSELF. All of his writings indicate his motivations were due to his anti-Islam, anti-multiculturalism, pro-nationalism ideologies, and not because of religious motivations. Breivik, like most Norwegians, is a cultural Christian, NOT a religious one. It's clear from his writings that he considers Christianity to be important solely as a cultural heritage to unify Europe, and not out of devotion to a God (like an Islamic terrorist):

Just look at his manifesto answering a question:

"A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?

If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and
moral platform. This makes us Christian. …" (page 1309).


So STOP calling him a Christian fundamentalist! He is not the "devout Christian" you would wish him to be.

minoria said...

Well Lupus,

This is how to tell a good Christian from a bad Christian from a false Christian(one who says he is but is not).

Jesus said not to commit adultery,for example.A good Christian obeys it.A BAD Christian knows it is wrong but does it.

A FALSE Christian is one who says:"Adultery in itself is not bad,I see no evil with it."

So the Norwegian had as part of this ideology that it was GOOD to kill innocent people,that is not what the historical Jesus taught.Breivik shows no regret,or little of it,with what he has done.He is not saying:"I knew it was against Jesus,against God,but I willingly did it anyway."

Osama Abdallah said...

I certainly condemn this attack, and thank Allah Almighty that it wasn't another LIE ON ISLAM!

We now have to fear everyone who looks tall and norwegian like David Wood and who happens to be from the country side :>).

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

Anthony Rogers said...

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2011/07/is-breivik-christian.html

TPaul said...

Lupis says
"Who are you to say he's not a Christian? You yourself argue for the new covenant and doesn't the new covenant entail that a person is saved through faith and not works as in the old covenant?"

You have yet to understand the Christian concept of "faith and works" as taught by Jesus Christ.
Even though we are saved by faith, our faith MUST reflect Chirst's teaching or else it is a dead thing. Therefore in reality an Evil Chrisitan is actually an oxymoron.
Please read what Jesus had to say in regards to those who claim to be his disciples but contradict his teachings.
True and False Disciples
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven...."

In contrast let us see if Osama BL and his ilk are Muslims as per the koran.
[2.216] "Fighting is enjoined on you, and is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know."

So even if you a moderate Muslim may try to white wash Islam, the truth is plainly written in the koran, that Allah has prescribed for every Muslim a jihad on unbelievers until all the world sucumbs to Islam (and it's brutality)

"[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Lupis says "...whether an individual is a good muslim or not. Ultimatley, only God knows that..."
Well then you are the ones who should be afraid of Allah judgement because eventhough you (who are influenced by the west)do not approve of fighting, you are required to do so as per Allah's command in the koran.

I hope this makes sense to you now.

TPaul said...

Osama wrote"...We now have to fear everyone who looks tall and norwegian like David Wood and who happens to be from the country side :>)..."

Wrong Osama, this happend ages ago when gullible spiritually-starved westerners started embracing Islam.

Home-grown Islamic radicals are a commonplace thing in the west now, and are here to stay and do some major damage. We need not do any racial profiling of individuals now, in order to look for Muslims. They come in all colors.

Nevertheless, I hope you condemn the acts of these "white" radical Muslims the same way you do the brain-dead Norwigean.

TAREK said...

Osama Abdallah said...
I certainly condemn this attack, and thank Allah Almighty that it wasn't another LIE ON ISLAM!

Hello Mr. Osama! Was waiting to hear from you. Nice having you around. I said it before, I was waiting to readsomething funny from you and this is it a direct attack than dealing with the issue.
You are thanking Allah wao who will Allah thank? I'm asking this question because I want you to tell me to who Allah is praying in the quran?
Mr. Osama, Dr David isn't into this type of business. Please tell us what did he say that isn't true? And do not forget to address my question please.
MAY YAWEH BLESS you all IN JESUS' NAME AMEN

valentin said...

Someone claims to be "a Christian" and hates people including his enemies and commits murder. On one hand The fool looks at this and says "oh look at this Christian" He must be a Christian right? On the other hand the "Discerning" and honest person looks at his and compares it with the teaching of Christ to see if and how it measures up. This isn't only referring to the Oslo murderer but applies to any so called chritian whether labeled by others or professing to be a follower of Christ.

valentin said...

Dr. Michael L brown weighs in on the massacre in Oslo on his radio show. http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2011/07/25/dr-brown-looks-at-sobering-current-events/ He also write an article. http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2011/07/25/a_right_wing,_fundamentalist_christian_mass_murderer

Osama Abdallah said...

"You are thanking Allah wao who will Allah thank? I'm asking this question because I want you to tell me to who Allah is praying in the quran?
Mr. Osama, Dr David isn't into this type of business. Please tell us what did he say that isn't true? And do not forget to address my question please."

Response:

1-
The Arabic word "Sallah" is derived, as you know, from the root word SILAH, which means connection, to connect. This is where "SILATU ALRAHM" comes from, which refers to your immediate relatives.

2- Allah Almighty "Sallah" upon a person as in "Sallah Allahu Alaihi Wa Sallam", means Allah Almighty sends down the Connections, through the Holy Spirit, to bring down blessings and peace into the heart of the certain believer.

Allah Almighty doesn't pray to anyone. I know where this desperate lie comes from. It's been refuted a long time ago, and not a single Muslim on the face of this earth would say that Allah Almighty prays to anyone. Show me one one scholar that ever said that. It is only the deceivers who lie to the non-Arabic non-Muslims who come up with these laughable jokes. These jokes never fly with Arabic-speaking Muslims.

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com

TAREK said...

Dear Dr. David,
Please can you read the response of Mr. Osama A. to my question to him on "Allah praying". I do not have enough document to support my answer and my level in Arabic is very low if not zero and i mean it. So, please help me getting a good and clear answer to his rebutal. I will also email the full discussion to you Dr.
MAY YAHWEH BLESS you always IN JESUS'NAME AMEN.

TAREK said...

Thanks Mr. Osama.
Because my arabic isn't good I've Kindly asked Dr. David to please jump in in order to help me getting all the fact alright before we put this topic to rest.
Best Regards
MAY YAHWEH BLESS you and LEAD you TO THE TRUE WAY IN JESUS'NAME AMEN.