It is sad to see all those people, worship a pagan god instead of the one true God, Jesus Christ. It is weird to see all of those people have such hate for God's chosen people,the Jews!People who say they belive in Jesus Christ need to pray for all of the people who have a life with out Jesus Christ!Thank you for shareing the video.
Oh and the oppression the Israeli's put on has nothing to do with it.I find it real sickening Christians don't condemn the war crimes comitted by the "promised land" warlords and immediately jump on the attack Palestine bandwagon when any Palestinian speaks out.David do you think Palestinian Christians love Israel? I know Lebanese Christians don't.Once again David, you show your true Christian side.
Woman For Truth,Why on earth are you berating David?? He is not in the video calling for Jews to be killed...oh, I see...
How long had the Jews been around? Hmmm... seems like "Allah", with all his might and power, couldn't just exterminate this "hateful" race. Or maybe, he just ain't listening to these "prayers"?
Thanks for sharing the video, I think its just another example of the other side of Islam, nothing new. I just want to point out a comparison between this video and the freedom march of Martin Luther King. You don't have to resort to violence and harassment to get your agenda across. Violence leads to violence and let the blame be on both sides. I find it real sickening Christians don't condemn the war crimes comitted by the "promised land" warlords Of course we do! Many of my friends even voice their support of peace through organized "peaceful" demonstrations alongside their fellow Muslim friends. I could also say that I feel its sickening that I don't see Muslims condemning this type of behavior by the Hamas and other groups like Hezbolla but I have heard of some moderate groups trying. Unfortunately in Islam, the Hamas can defend their actions based in Quran and Hadith.
ArchAngel thank you for your mature and professional reply. I'm surprised David approved of your comment. Speaking against Israel can be an indirect way of "blaspheming the holy spirit". Interesting to note that other Christians didn't even care to think about Israel's war crimes."I could also say that I feel its sickening that I don't see Muslims condemning this type of behavior by the Hamas and other groups like Hezbolla but I have heard of some moderate groups trying. Unfortunately in Islam, the Hamas can defend their actions based in Quran and Hadith."Do you think Hezbollah and Hamas would exist if Israel was around or atleast with in their own orginal borders?Yes, when an invading army takes over your land, kills your family from air strikes and every year continues to expand their borders, I wouldn't see it as a problem for a Muslim to take up arms. I believe you would all do the same.And thank you for not adding Taliban and Al Queda to your list. Seems to me you realise their actions are un-Islamic. Which again surprises me why David pubslished your comment.
@ William WallaceWhy do you think they have hate? You know, I never had a Christian answer me one particular question. Christians always show their love for Jews, but Jews don't return that love. Christians say Jesus is the God of the Jews but no Jew will ever agree to that (except for maybe some modern day cults).My question is which faith, Judaism or Christianity, or which scripture will lead me to paradise? Because both faiths are heavily contradictory of each other. I can't see god screwing up 2 faiths?
Adding to William Wallace, why are you saying Jews believe in Christ?
WomanForTruth, no problem. I think there is an important message for everyone to understand in regards to Israel.1. Israel as a nation / political government.2. Israel as a historical and biblical region.3. Israel as a (metaphor) for the new temple Christ made within all those who are baptized through Him.With that being said I don't think that attacks on the Holy Land are blasphemy against the holy spirit because that dwells within us. But yet I see your point.In regards to history however, Israel has always been there. The difference is that in Islam, Muslims believe that Abraham is Muslim as well as the prophets. But for Christians, Jews, and anyone who picks up a history book and can read history and scripture It states that the land of Israel, of Abraham, Moses etc. is the land of the Jewish people from the very beginning. Now we have an instant conflict in our hands with the Quran which collides with history. The Jews were always there, they have a right to be there and in fact, anyone living there should have that right. However, to raise up arms and say that Israel is to blame for all this is nonsense as they have a right to defend themselves too (keep in mind I say defend, and they often exceed their limits and powers which is wrong... again on both sides).Honestly, its all a mess, it will always be a mess and unfortunately in our lifetime I doubt we'll see any real change with exception of building / destroying a house here and there, raising this flag or that. Its all very unfortunate. Just a note.. to all our christian brothers out there that I've seen on other posts, stop the Muslim bashing (you know who you are) and pratice a little respect and virtue. Your poor snide remarks don't help anyone except ruin your credibility.
WFT said:"Do you think Hezbollah and Hamas would exist if Israel was around or atleast with in their own orginal borders?Yes, when an invading army takes over your land, kills your family from air strikes and every year continues to expand their borders, I wouldn't see it as a problem for a Muslim to take up arms. I believe you would all do the same."I reckon this should have read thus:'Do you think Hezbollah and Hamas would exist if Israel was around or at least within their own original borders? Damn you: Can't you see they are Jews!!!? If they were on the moon Muslims would go there to do Allah's will. After all, Allah is evidently limited in his attempts to annihilate the people he most hates.Yes, when an invading army of Muslims takes over your land, kills your family from air strikes and every year continues to expand their borders, I wouldn't see it as a problem for a Muslim to take up arms. I believe you would all do the same; especially if you read and believed Al-Koran. Come on people, why can't you see those Jews are responsible for every bad thing that happens in this world? Oh, sorry, I forgot those Jew loving +ians also.'
WowmanofBlasphemy said..."I find it real sickening Christians don't condemn the war crimes comitted by the "promised land" warlords and immediately jump on the attack Palestine bandwagon when any Palestinian speaks out."So praying to your God that all the Jews will be killed is speaking out. Interesting, because before there was a Palestinian, before there was a modern state if Israel, Muslims have been praying and hoping for the extermination of JEWS.There is a AUTHENTIC Hadeeth that says that Muslims will kill all the Jews, at the end of time. That Jews will be hiding behind a rock or a tree, and the rocks and trees will call out "O Muslim there is a Jew hiding behind me come and kill him"I even got a FATWA on this, it is considered glad tidings that this will happen, and it will only happen when MUSLIMS RETURN TO THERE RELIGION ISLAM.FATWA KILL ALL THE JEWS. NOT NOW BUT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN MUSLIMS RETURN TO THEIR RELIGION.
WFT101 says: "Christians always show their love for Jews, but Jews don't return that love."WFT101, FYI Christians are instructed to love 'everyone', yes even Muslims who go around persecuting them in Islamic countries. But obviously being Muslim you will find that hard to understand. I ask you what harm are the Jews doing by not loving Christians in return? Are they burning churches and mosques? are they beheading unbelievers? are they forcing Muslims or Christians to convert to Judaism?All these cruel acts are the traits reserved for Allah alone.Please read the following and think:Jesus says Matthew 5:"43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."Allah says:[9.80] "Ask forgiveness for them or do not ask forgiveness for them; even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them; this is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle, and Allah does not guide the transgressing people."[4.144] "O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?"That is a damn good reason why you should abandon the religion of Allah, who only loves those who love him first[3.31], who encourages you to hate Jews and Christians[5.51], who promises a burning wrath on the unbelievers[33.64]and many more evil reactions that not surprisingly actually come naturally to humans, and really don't require a divine revelation....In essence, Jesus asks you to strive towards perfection of the father, while Allah requires you to sink the your lowest of your humanity in the treatment of others. I hope someday you will see the light.Peace
@WomanofBlasphemy History Lesson Part 1"Do you think Hezbollah and Hamas would exist if Israel was around or atleast with in their own orginal borders?"Since Muslims will kill all the Jews when they return to their religion regardless if there is an Israel, and regardless of where a JEW is hiding, at the end of times. Then Yes real Muslims like this will be around according to Islamic theology to KILL ALL THE JEWS.Now what do you mean by "their own orginal borders?"In 1947 the UN voted in favor of a two state solution, this two state solution would give Israel a small portion of the land, the majority going to the indigenous Arab population which was controlled by Egypt, Jordon, Syria and Lebanon. The Arab league which included these 4 countries voted against the two state solution. In May of 1948 Israel declared it’s independence, the NEXT day the Arab League sent the UN a letter re-stating officially their opposition to a TWO STATE SOLUTION. On that same day the armies of Egypt, Jordon, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, on their way to “DRIVE THE JEWS INTO THE SEA” invaded the territory partitioned for the Arab state. The invading Arab armies printed in newspapers, and broadcasted on radio and loud speakers for the “Palestinian’s to get out of the way of their tanks and bullets, they had no intention of taking “ANY BOOTY”.This action by Arab Muslims who rejected the UN mandate for a two state solution, and invaded the Arab territory that was portioned for a Arab state, caused the refugee problem. “Palestinians” who left their homes because of the invading Arab armies were not allowed to return. However Arabs that were on the Israeli side were allowed to become full Israeli citizens. But what about the Jews who lived on the Arab side, of the line. They were forced to leave by the ARAB OCCUPIERS driven from their homes. What about Jews living in Arab countries? “The status of Jewish citizens in Arab states worsened dramatically following the 1948 Israeli-Arab conflict. Jews were uprooted from their longtime residency or became political hostages of the Arab–Israeli conflict…285,000 of them from Arab countries.” Source Wiki
@WomanofBlasphamy History Lesson part 2In 1956 Egypt violated its agreement with Israel by closing the straights of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockading the Gulf of Aqaba. It then violated international law by nationalizing the Suez Cannel, and closing it to Israeli shipping. Israel, France and Great Britain responded with military intervention. Israel captured Gaza, and the Sinai Peninsula. Both of which it gave back to EGYPT after the conflict. In May of 1967, Egypt once again violated its agreements. It expelled the UN peacekeepers from the Sinai and deployed over a 100,000 troops in the Sinai and closed the Straits of Tiran. On May 30th Jordon singed a “Mutual Defense Pact with Egypt, and mobilized Sinai unitsNo one doubts the reason for this. The Egyptians and Jordanians were going to invade Israel. In response Israel launched a devastating air assault, destroying most of the Egyptian air force. They then turned to the east and destroyed the Jordanian, Iraqi’ and Syrian air forces. The Egyptian army was caught on the ground in open desert with no air cover, it was a total rout. The end result was that Israel gained control of Gaza, the Sinai, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, The Golan Heights, and Shebaa Farms.In the summer of 1967 after the third crushing defeat, Arab countries met and came up with the tree NO’s, no recognition, no peace, and no negotiations with the State of Israel. In October of 1973, Arabs proved the age old adage “insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result” and invaded Israel AGAIN for the third time, causing the 4th Arab Israeli war. This time they caught Israel off guard, it took Israel 3 days to fully mobilize. But once they did they drove out the Arab invaders, and on Oct 25th 1973 a official armistice was signed. So WomanofBlasphame as you can see from History, it was the Arab Muslim hatred for Jews that caused the "Palestinian" refugee problem. It was that same hatred and rejection of the state of Israel that created the modern state of Israel as it is today. All terratorial gains Israel made over the years was because Muslim Arab armies kept invading.So if you want to blame anyone for the modern state of Israel, blame the Arab Muslims. Second why should Israel give up any land it gained through defending itself against the illegal Arab Muslim aggression?
WomanForTruth101 (or Ali since I doubt her knew any Christian in Gaza or West Bank)... this kind of prayers were being saide by the people intoxicatted by islam long before the XX century partition off palestine into the 90% to arabs and 10% to jews thate those neber accepted...
Speaking against Israel can be an indirect way of "blaspheming the holy spirit"... hahahaha... Israel, as a nation, did many crimes in the past... ooops... did I blasphematte agains the Holy Spirit? I do not think so... grow upp you ignorante person...
"why are you saying Jews believe in Christ?"... another "former"-Christian thate did not knew anything aboutte her religion... I think thate Jesus first disciples were jews; weren't they? or do wante to claime thate they were muslims? qua, qua, qua...
Once again ArchAngel thank you for your kind statements. You have a much more logical approach about the Israel-Palestine issue.TPaul, a link for you:Commonly Miquoted Verses and narrationshttp://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414§ion=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions
The day muslims kill all the Jews will be the day pigs fly. I've already read the end of the story......it'll never happen!
The "Israeli/Palestinian" conflict is MUCH MORE complicated than it looks on the surface. Israel is not "perfect" in any way but there were unkept promises by the Arab nations (which ousted all of their Jews) in 1948 which has created the "Palestinian" problem (the "palestinians" btw are not philistines as their name implies but are Arabs! To embrace a "philistine" identity would mean that they relinquish their status as "descendants of Abraham - Philistines were Hamites).As for Jews and Jesus...Messianic Judaism (Jewish belief in Jesus) is now Judaism's fastest growing sect - with now rroughly 300 congregations in the Land of Israel. And for those not learned enough to know....though the MAJORITY of Israel rejected Jesus, Jews have ALWAYS believe in the Messiahship of Jesus. If they hadn't, we would not have the New Testament or any churches in gentile nations today. It was the Jewish apostles of Jesus with names like Matisyahu (Matthew), Kefa (Peter) and Sha'ul (Paul) that spread the message of Jesus 2,000 years ago. May Messiah's return be in our lifetime. According to the fulfillment of prophecy concerning Jewish return to the land in 1948/1967 as well as Israel's ever-growing spiritual revival through faith in Jesus, I am confident that it will be. So be it!Sha-alu shalom Yerushalayim
From the Islamic World: Television Clips Demonizing JewsNote: the themes in the soap operas and their characterization of Jews from Muhammad's time are taken from the core Islamic texts.Part I: A Jordanian-produced Soap Opera Demonizes the JewsPart II: A Jordanian-produced Soap Opera Demonizes the JewsPart III: A Jordanian-produced Soap Opera Demonizes the JewsJewish conspiracy soap opera set during Muhammad's lifetimeEgyptian Cleric Abdallah Samak: The Jews, who Slayed the Prophets, Are Known for Their "Merciless, Murderous, and Bloodthirsty Nature"Saudi Arabian TV Asks People If They Would Shake Hands With a JewIranian TV shows professor lecturing that Tom and Jerry cartoons are a Jewish conspiracySaudi Arabian/UAE TV: Former Jordanian Minister and a Cleric Explain the Canonical Hadiths About Talking Trees and Stones Helping to Kill the JewsIran TV Clip: the Jews Kill People and Mix Their Blood with Matza; Syrian Author Says Israel Should Be Destroyed and the Holocaust Never Happened.Lebanon TV Clip: Islamic Judge says: "The Only Religion The Jews Understand Is A Weapon or Rod On Their Heads."A good short video:Islam, Nazism, and Children
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says the earth belongs to Muhammad and Allah, warns the Jews to accept Islam if they wish to be safe, and says he wants to deport them:In Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection: Book 019, Number 4363: It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe.They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe.They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he [Muhammad] added:You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land. Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).********************************From page 464 (690 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad presides over the beheading of 600 to 900 Jews:Then [the Banu Qurayza tribe] surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them.
On page 369 (554 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says "kill any Jew who falls into your power":It's a "beautiful" story of two brothers, Muhayyissa and Huwayyisa: (To avoid confusing the two brothers, keep in mind that the brother whose name begins with M is the Murderer and the Muslim in the story.)"The apostle [Muhammad] said, ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power.’ Thereupon Muhayyisa bin Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed [the Jewish merchant] Huwayyisa began to beat [his brother Muhayyisa], saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'...[Huwayyisa] replied, 'By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?' [Muhayissa] said, 'Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so.' [Huwayyisa] exclaimed, "By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvellous!' and [Huwayyisa] became a Muslim."
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says that one day the very trees and stones will help Muslims to kill Jews.He says it both in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984:Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
Someone tried to direct someone to load-islam.com... to those whoo doo nott know, this is a site connected withe groups financed by the Muslim Brotherwood... I invitee wll off you to go there and see withe your own eyes the mountain off lies they present: they pick and chose some "comentaries" ignoring thousands more in the oposite directtiuon made by more respectefull and recognized muslims schoolars... yett another exemple off a muslim tactic: let's bombard them withe lies and they eben startte to beliebe they are true...here is the way to deel withe these actitudes: WomeForTruth101... just presente here, on daylighte, any claim presented in thate site and you'll see how it's claims crumble likke a sand castle... do you dare to do so? ;-)
TrehGreat links.The so called Moderate Muslims either have to be really stupid, or think we are really stupid to believe them when they say "We love Jews, we protect them"... Or "We hate Zionist, if it wasn't for them we would have no problem with Jews".I mean really how much more proof do you need for the Muslim hatred of Jews.It's in there Koran, it's in their hadeeths. They actually look forward to a time when Muslims will kill all the Jews, they pray for it. This all pre dates the modern state of Israel. The interview with the Saudi's summed it up the best. More then one said that Jews are the eternal enemies of Muslims.
For a Muslim, to "protect" an infidel is merely to put off the attack for one minute or a few days.Muslims have never protected anything. They cannot even protect themselves from the violence that is inherent to their culture.
womanfortruth, all I said is that we, as belivers in Christ, should pray for the Muslims to come to Jesus, repent of their sins, and become a Christan. In fact we should pray for all the people, who have a walk with out Jesus, to do that.
Womenfortruth wrote:'Do you think Hezbollah and Hamas would exist if Israel was around or atleast with in their own orginal borders?'I know that the grand mufti og Jerusalem existed already within the second world war. This particular individual who represented the Palestinian people and Islam saw it religiously acceptable to wipe out the Jewish race, oh yeah even prior to the Jewish exodos to the promised land.
WowmanofBlasphamy said..."My question is which faith, Judaism or Christianity, or which scripture will lead me to paradise?"The answer for you. You have no hope of salvation, your done. Careless words you typed on the internet sealed your fate. You have no hope, of even having hope. You did the one thing you should not of done. You Blasphemed against Gods Holy Spirit. You have no hope.The sad part is, you honestly thought you were doing good when you typed the vile things you typed. You boast and brag in your rebellion against GOD as if you were something special. I'm sure to your momma you are, but your just another blasphemer who God has removed his restraining hand, a dime a dozen.I have no glad tidings for you. I only have bad news and worse news for you and even worse news beyond that. The bad: your going to hell. The worse news: There is nothing that can be done. The even worse news: You wont be alone.I don't know if I should pray that you have a very long life, knowing what awaits you after you die. Or pray that death takes you quickly. To be honest I am torn on that.I say this only because to some death is a mercy, and some pray for death, and death will not come.I honestly don't know what would be more merciful for you. But I do know this, it would be cruel of me to lead you on as if you had hope. And I not that cruel. So I will pray that you have a long life. That you achieve every petty selfish goal you set for yourself. May you be richer then BILL GATES. May everything you do be met with the greatest success. May you have throngs of fans. May you never no hunger, thirst or pain. May you always feel joy, and never bitterness. May you receive every thing you desire and everything you think you deserve.Because in the end, you will get just that, what you justly deserve. And for that I am truly sorry. Because i do not wish that for my worst enemy.
@ HoganI think I posted on here before or someone else did on a piece by Time Magazine or the National Geographic (can't remember). They had a timeline of the creation of Israel. In the 20's and 30's, Jews continued to move into Palestine. In an article that was right beside wrote that there were riots by Arabs because the Jews were taking over their jobs and stuff (kinda like modern day France and Germany where Mulsims are being blamed for ruining the economy). I don't know the accuracy of the article but it said Jews started their own laws and courts. This was before WW2 started.
WOMANOFBLASPHEMY said..." In an article that was right beside wrote that there were riots by Arabs because the Jews were taking over their jobs and stuff (kinda like modern day France and Germany where Mulsims are being blamed for ruining the economy)."Couple of things, first non Muslims are not rioting in France and Germany because of Muslims. Instead it is MUSLIMS WHO ARE RIOTING because of NON MUSLIMS.Second, Jews did no take Jobs they created JOBS. Just some facts for you
WomenforTruth101, continuing to fire at her (his?) own feet, saide: "In the 20's and 30's, Jews continued to move into Palestine."... and wahte? I'm absolutelly sure Arabs did the samme thing: they moved into "Palestine" since they were frequentelly nomads... so whate? so whate? are you saying thate inmigration is wrongue? please: tell so to your muslims brothers who are inmigratting to western countries... I'm sure they'll love too know thate... she (he) also saide: «all this started before WWII»... sure it did: it started when muslims armies invaded non-muslim land withoute habing been provoqued to do soo... only due to the eagerness off richess thate thei had following the motivation off muhammad...
Womenfortruth wrote:In the 20's and 30's, Jews continued to move into Palestine. In an article that was right beside wrote that there were riots by Arabs because the Jews were taking over their jobs and stuff (kinda like modern day France and Germany where Mulsims are being blamed for ruining the economy). I don't know the accuracy of the article but it said Jews started their own laws and courts. This was before WW2 started.Hogan replies:Let me get this straight, Women of truth, are you saying that Westerners would be justified in launching bloody persecutions on Muslim immigrants?
this is from a prophecy in the hadith that says "and the rocks will cry out, there is a jew behind me kill him!"they are saying amen, because they believe when this happens the end will arrive and they will go to paradise (or judgement)
@WomanForTruth101:Please clarify some things so we might better understand your position...1# You said: I find it real sickening Christians don't condemn the war crimes committed by the "promised land" warlords and immediately jump on the attack Palestine bandwagon when any Palestinian speaks out.This is a common logical fallacy called a "red-hearing" where the arguer tries to take the focus away from the topic at hand. In this case it came up in response to a video where there is clear hatred demonstrated by Muslims toward Jews. So please answer the following:- So what is your reason and justification for presenting a fallacious argument in this context? What are you assuming when you make this comment (why should we be left to guess)?- Could you explain how what we just viewed was NOT hatred toward Jews, or not Muslims? Or, please help us understand how that hatred is accepted and justified in your worldview?Also, please clarify these few comments:1# You said: David do you think Palestinian Christians love Israel?- Do you mean to say love "Israelis" (the people)? When it comes to people Christians reflect the love Christ that He demonstrated to them through his amazing and overwhelming sacrifice for their sin. We're human, so not always perfectly, but we should not be "harboring" hate or unloving. I do not personally know anyone who has received this salvation and still harbors hate for others. Upon salvation and receiving the Holy Spirit god gives us a new heart, new desires. Even Stephen in the bible was asking God to forgive the people that where stoning him to death because as he said "do not hold this sin against them" - Acts 7:60 (you may want to read all of Acts 7.2# You said: I know Lebanese Christians don't.- Is it true that "ALL" Lebanese Christians do not love people if those people are Israeli? If so, how do you know? Do you know all Lebanese Christians? Are you sure they are all Christians? Are you assuming that because someone says they are a Christian that they have been saved by Christ and have the Holy Spirit inside them?#3 You said: Speaking against Israel can be an indirect way of "blaspheming the holy spirit". - When you say it "can be", well is it or isn't it? (There is no middle ground in blasphemy, you either do it or you don't). In what sense would this be blasphemy? What your justification is for even suggesting it is blasphemy?#4 You said: Interesting to note that other Christians didn't even care to think about Israel's war crimes.Please help us understand what that comment has to do with the video/the current attitudes of Islam toward Jews? (Also, it might be helpful if you can explain to all of us, why you think they have those attitudes, and provide any justification from the Qur'an for harboring such hate toward this people group.I'm not trying to be hurtful WomanFortruth101, it just doesn't make sense to even respond to all these seeming logical fallacies in your comments without first hearing what you have to say about the video, and second better understanding what assumptions you are making. Thanks!
I personally agree with WomanForTruth101 about the whole "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" issue, because frankly there is a whole lot of disagreement among Christian denominations about what that means. Some teachers say that it can't be done now, because miracles have ceased, and we really can't call any miracles "acts of belzebub."I happen to think that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rejection of the gospel to the point of death.In any case, if we refuse to listen to Muslims because of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and they refuse to listen to us because of what they perceive as our blasphemy, then we are not going to get very far in talking to each other.I refuse to say Mohammad pbuh, and a Muslim refused to talk to me anymore. The reason I refused to say Mohammad pbuh, is because to me, wishing peace on Mohammad, who according to Galatians 1:8-9, is accursed, is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.If we keep refusing to let someone have their say because of what we perceive as blasphemy, we could go on and on forever.On the other hand, this isn't my website, and I don't set policy.
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