Sunday, December 6, 2009

Topics for "Jesus or Muhammad"

Friends,

Sam and I are going to be doing several live episodes of "Jesus or Muhammad" on December 11th, 12th, and 13th. Any thoughts on topics? We'll try to cover as many of your suggestions as possible. Also, if anyone would like to upload a question on YouTube and send us the link, we could play the question on the program and then respond to it.

58 comments:

mkvine said...

Hmm, perhaps you should make a topic on Human Rights in Islam. See whether the Islamic way of life or Sunnah of the prophet has any impact on preventing immorality such as Murder, Alcoholism, Prostitution, etc..

mkvine said...

Oh, one interesting thing I would like to see is how tolerant are Muslims of Christians when expressing their Christian views and practices (i.e. Nativity scene, Christmas tress, Christmas songs, etc.) during the Christmas season in Muslim countries.

LouisJ-B said...

I would like to hear discussed the quranic and extra-quranic sources pertaining to muhammad' revelations.For example,surah 9,was it revealed in one sitting?Who was present?Was he foaming at the mouth or turning red? etc...;-)

Royal Son said...

I would like to see one regarding Allah appearing on the day of resurrection, vs Jesus being God manifested in the flesh.

The reason being that I think the hadith literature (primarily Bukhari) supports the notion that God can come in physical form, thus they should have no objection to the incarnation or the crucifixion.

Royal Son said...

I would like to see one regarding Allah appearing on the day of resurrection, vs Jesus being God manifested in the flesh.

The reason being that I think the hadith literature (primarily Bukhari) supports the notion that God can come in physical form, thus they should have no objection to the incarnation or the crucifixion.

Fernando said...

Hi Doctor Wood...

thanks for this chance to participatte in your God blessed work...

some sugestions:

1) is islam like a cult thate intoxicates mentaly its members?

2) is islam a religion or an fascistic (soething wanting to impose unto others its point off view) ideology?

3) are there real moral values in islam when every moral rule as an exception?

God bless you all...

Unknown said...

How about "defending Christianity'?

leviMichael said...

how about:
-the pagan roots of islam
-what do the secular historians, who muslims like to appeal to, really say about Jesus
-the Trinity
-why the Bible can be trusted
-the falsifiability test of Christianity vs islam
-does the Bible accurately speaks about the natural world
-Biblical prophecy vs quranic prophecy
-supposed contradictions in the Bible
-the violence and sinful acts in the Bible;

david, maybe u should also debunk fellas like naik and co who muslims revere

i reckon, if the topics are more about Christianity, osama will call in bcos he rather attack Christianity than defend his own (undefendable) faith

Bartimaeus said...

Yes absolutelu

How is a person declared righteous in the eyes of Allah in Islam as opposed is how is one declared righteous in the eyes of God according to Christianity.

Noticed I did not say good.

Bartimaeus said...

Also because it is the advent season why was the incarnation necessary.

Ariel said...

Perhaps you should make an episode dedicated to the historical evidence for Resurrection of Jesus, or an episode about the Satanic Verses.

Rafa-el_1 said...

I believe that one of the most effective ways in exposing Islam is to show how muhammad used to plagerize other sources.(talmud,folklore,etc) Besides that you guys can show human influence on the Qur'an. For example Umar on surat 33:59 and Ibn Umm Maktum on 4:95 etc.

I believe that would be very interesting to witness.

The Fat Man said...

I was talking to a muslim psychologis online... (PAUSE For Laughs). Ok now that everyone has stopped laughing.

It occured to me that Islamic model on how sin is delt with is just behavior modification. Anyone who has studied psychology will know that behavior modification does work but only on a tempory bassis. As soon as the ridged structure is removed most people go back to the way they were before.

Just like the Bible says "A dog returns to its vomit"

So I'm wondering if the differences can be discussed in regards to how each relegion deals with sin. For example in Christ we are to foccus on the inward casues of sin, were as in Islam they foccus on the behavior of sin.

Another example, the muslim explained that the harsh punishments prescribed in Islam are to protect society for the Sinful. That as long as you sin in secret and you dont get caught you wont be punished. Since most sin in secret, most cover up there sin, and hide it from the light. This is the problem of sin. So Islam teaches the sinner just to be a better sinner.

This has a few concequesnces, becasue if a person can not confess his sin, and deal with it out in the open, then the sin can not be delt with. So the sin will continue.

For instance what motivation does a sinner have to seek conselling if they are afraid of being punished if thier sin is found out.

Now in Christ we are are told to confess are sins to each other daily. Not brag about out sins but confess them to expose them and seek forgiveness. This encourages the sinner to seek some form of counsele to challange there sinful nature. To change the heart and not just conceal or supress it.

Note: I have so got to get my spell check fixed.

Christian 1 said...

What is the difference between "radical Islam" and "moderate Islam" as our politial elites understand and define it.

Are there theological differences or is it entirely a political distinction?

Tom said...

David, Please help us know what organized groups are trying to infiltrate our government and to spread the lies of Islam. I realize you can't possibly know all of them but tell us those of which you know. For instance, almost everyone has heard of C.A.I.R. and their affiliation with the "Muslim Brotherhood" and I'm reading some about the "OIC". Are there groups against which you can warn us and are you aware of the methods they use? Anyway, ANY solid information you can share with us will be helpful. Yes, I realize that it's OUR responsibility to be informed and activist about this but to hear it coming from you guys just means a great deal. THANK YOU for your intercession on behalf of the Body of Christ and on behalf of free people all over the world. MAY JESUS CHRIST BE PRAISED!

benoit said...

I would suggest 3 topics:

Pedophilia in islam:
- prophet of islam was pedophile, meanwhile he is the perfect example for muslims !!!
- pedophilia allowed in the quran
- pedophilia in the islamic current islamic countries

reason to discuss this: is muslims have been recently trying to change their history and claiming aisha was 17 at marriage !!! and many several absurd reasoning that should be exposed

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2nd topic:

signs of paganism in islam:

muslims used to claim that islam is religion of tawheed.. , which is not correct!!
tawheed perse desnt make a religion true, look at Bahai, shia, mormon, buddist..
so more investigation is required..
and when we examine islam , we find many sugns of true paganism:

Kaba, black stone, rituals from pre-islamic pagans, ramadan fasting ashura fasting , the islamic prayers, the very high ranking of the the prophet of islam in the islamic soureces and in the mind of every muslim.
Also Allah, muslims, and angles prays on the prophet !!!
Raheem in Beism Allah, refers to muhammed according to kortobi...
and many other signs

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3rd topic:
what is the name of the prophet, it is clear, that muhammed is an adjective, and he is he one who named himself so, cauz he believed hat there is such name in the bible !!! but noone noes his true name.

and who is his true father !!!

..............

4th topic:
quranic lies and false claims:
and on top: ozayr son of God!!!
no-where in history we can find this ozayer... and no-where did the the jews said that ezra (if they want to refer to him) as son of God ... hence noone should belive in the quran if it contain lies !!!

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5th topic:
the prophet is allowed to marry any woman, and any woman is allowed to devote herself (and leave her family, hsband and children) to go have sexual relation with the prophet !!!! is this islamic devotion ?! what is the vlaue ?? why ??
even Aisha, didnt like that , and she objected, but muhammed as always justified what he did by the quran !!!
Ironic enough is the comment of Aisha on the allah , : she sad your allah hastens to fulfil your desire, if this is what the mother of the faithful is saying about the prophet of allah, commenting on the quran !!! what should any normal thinking person say then ?!!


topics are just too many in isalm, so thats enough for this months.

P.S : please stress on the fact, that we should keep our holiday greeting Merry christmas, not X-mas, and not happy holidays.. people are trying to make celebrations of christmas as if not related to Christ !!!!

RefinedByFire777 said...

I think you should cover Deuteronomy 18:20 and what the jewish woman did to Muhammad by poisoning him. Therefore, proving he is a false prophet. And compare it with Paul and how he got bit by a snake on malta. In other words Proving Muhammad false and Paul and True prophet.

Eric S. said...

I think it would be an interesting show if you guys covered the Quranic view of the Bible. Sam has written some interesting articles on this subject.

Simon said...

i wud like to knw wut the difference is between suni and shia muslims. and also the difference between radical and quran only muslims.

BY THE WAY WUT R THE TIMES THE SHOWS R GONA START?

GreekAsianPanda said...

I don't know if this was already done or not but how about the alleged "advanced science" in the Quran?

Royal Son said...

Another topic I think that would be quite interesting would be on the 99 names of Allah

leviMichael said...

another topic:
who is allah?

Bryant said...

I would be interested in some shows on Islamic eschatology.

Also, You could talk about the stories in the Quran that have been plagiarized.

Fifth Monarchy Man said...

How about the New Covenant concept of indwelling Spirit leading to true sanctification verses the outward law based false sanctification in Islam.


I think that the Sermon on the Mount with it’s emphasis on the higher standard of obedience that God requires from us to enter into his kingdom is something that every Muslim should hear and understand.

It not only puts the lie to accusations that we Christians are with out a law but also is a missile to the heart of those who self righteously believe they can find salvation based on their own works

peace

Nakdimon said...

I would go for the topics

- does the Quran say that the Bible is corrupted?

- how much corruption of the Bible is needed for Islam to be true?

- why the Bible has NOT been corrupted

rgds,
Nakdimon

mkvine said...

Hmm, how about a topic on "Who does Muhammad think he is"?

Christopher said...

Peace and Blessings Brother David and Brother Sam.

Possible Topics:
(1) Original Sin and its implication to Man.

(2) The Expression of God's Love to Mankind.

(3) The Gift of Free-Will that God has given to every Man.

(4) Grace vs Works Alone.

(5)End-Time Prophecy.

(6) Both Religions Conception of Heaven.

Thank you both for your time and may The Father continue to Bless your Ministries.

FOR HIS GLORY!!
Bro. Christopher White

Negeen said...

I agree with fat man i'd want to see a topic such as sin covered. When I talk to my friends, they lack an understanding of the gravity of the consequences of what sin does and that is why they can't fully understand the atonement. So I'd probably cover like Islam's-Allah's perception of sin. And one thing I find odd is that I was always taught the story about how Allah forgave the man who murdered a hundred people, yet I also remember being taught about when Muhammad stoned the adultress to death. Wouldn't this be seen as Allah having poor jugdement on how his justice and compassion works when jugding sins? In my own experience I've always thought that Islam lacks a true perception of the reality of just how bad sin is.

Apollos26 said...

Maybe it is an old shoe, but some mentioned it to:

- The pagan origins of islam

- science in the quran debunked and compared with the scientific claims of the vedas for example.

- what others had to say about mohammed, like John of Damascus for example etc.


@Chistopher:

your questions are good, but point nr. (3) is to be rejected totally! free-will is an arminian heresy and the bible doesn't teach it.

just read romans 9!

James said...

Why do Christians serve a "circumcised" God?

minoria said...

I think before any subject is talked about it would be good to give a 15 min talk on some passages of the Koran,before EACH program.I mean,there are people,like I was before, who are ignorant 100% of those passages.

Like SURAS 5:64 and 9:111.That way new people,Muslim and not,will know how the Koran says there will always be some evil Jews till Judgement day,and that those who kill and are killed for Allah go to heaven(and if that were not enough,it claims it was part of the Torah and Gospel message.)

ADVANTAGE OF THAT

It will refresh our memory and give new info to those who don't know it.

EXAMPlE

Suppose someone new watches the program who is convinced the Jews had a golden age under Islam in the Middle Ages and that modern-day Judeophobia is due to Israel.

NEW INFO FOR HIM TO PONDER

If you show him SURA 5:64 he will see that whether X Muslim is Judeophobic or not,the KORAN ITSELF gives a BASIS for the belief in the "EVIL JEW".That encourages belief in the Protocols of Sion(that the Jews are secretly trying to rule the world),that Mossad is behind things,etc.

REACTION

He will say:"WHY doesn't the MAINSTREAM press talk about this?"

Fernando said...

Hi Apollos26... how are you?

you saide: «your questions are good, but point nr. (3) is to be rejected totally! free-will is an arminian heresy and the bible doesn't teach it. just read romans 9!»...

well... I'm no schoolar, butt I do think thate Rm. 9 is not the only text dealing withe this aspect and since in the Bible there are no contradictions when in connection to our salvation, all off them must be integrated... for instance in John 14:15 Jesus saide: "If you love Me, keep My commandments"; He's not saying: iff you are made to love me you'll be made to keep my commandments... whate does this mean? I do nott know...

and do you not think thate in Rm. 9 Paul is not saying thate we cannot go ontologically against God, rather than we should not do so? Yes, Paul saies that God suscited the Pharaon, butt his he saying he does so to withe all the people? I do nott know...

I guess there are many people who woulde say tahte denying free will (thate must be operated in response withe the always precedent grace) is an heresy...

One thingue I do know: this is not the place to debatte these things... do you not agree?

ubiquitouserendipity said...

the unrighteousness of allah, who would cause an unrighteous person, i.e., a Christian or a jew, to pay for the sins of the unrighteous mohammedan. how can unrighteousness pay for unrighteousness, allowing for the unrighteous to stand in the presence of a righteous G_d? in reality we all know that allah is just mohammed's cosmic bell-boy,,, but for the sake of conversation,,, ya' know?

koran 5-65 (ali english trans-mixturation of deceit): "if only the people of the book had believed and been righteous, we should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of bliss."

this "verse" presents an illogical if/then: to wit: if the people had been righteous, there would be no need to blot out their iniquities ~ and this type of statement is why i literally wretch at reading this garbage. mohammed was obviously an illiterate, illogical loon.

my mother instilled in me a deep respect for the written word (i remember her crying when watching a news-reel from world war two in which the nazis burned piles of books). thus i wouldn't waste my time by destroying such wickedness in print,,, but i do tell my children and grandchildren that there is only one book in this world that is certainly from satan incarnate,,, the kkkoran.

another topic, though i doubt that you would address it from this standpoint, but: the social/cultural aspects of mohammedanism. if this cosmic procurer of little girls as sexual objects is such an all-wise, all-capable being, why is it that most mohammedan societies are so regressive, and poor? if allah is G_d, why doesn't he bless the lives of the citizenry so that they can actually point to the blessings of G_d in their lives? i'm a poor man in a rich secular society,,, and i live better that the middle classes of the arab world. why? doesn't allah love his "children?"

the blessings of G_d our Savior to all who bow the knee to Jesus Christ, our Lord, our G_d, our Savior, and our King. Peace, in His love, papajoe

minoria said...

Regarding ROM 9,and I believe the reference was to ROM 9:14-23,I think that to understand Paul 100% we have to take into account other things he said in the SAME letter.

ROM 9:15 and 9:18 give the general statement that God gives mercy to who he will and hardens the heart of others.

And ROM 9:20-23 uses the METAPHOR of POTTERY where some are of honor and others for vile use.Notice it says:"And God,wanting to show his anger and make known his power,has SUPPORTED with GREAT PATIENCE vases of anger formed for perdition."

ROM 1:18-25

I think the KEY is here.It talks of how one can know there is a God using reason and with the evidence available.Then how some do evil.Then ROM 1:24 says "God frees them to their impurities",ect.

ANALYSIS

In other words there comes a time when God lets a person go HIS/HER way.If they want to not care,God won't bother them anymore.

In ROM 9:20-23 ALL begin with the SAME material,all are formed of CLAY,but some reject God.It is a metaphor and I believe Paul in ROM 1:18-25 clears up how ROM 9 is to be understood exactly.

So I see "vases formed for perdition" as a metaphor meaning that taking into account ROM 1:18-25 it refers to persons who God has left to their inclinations.Really,because notice the words BEFORE the metaphor:"God has supported with great patience."

HOW CAN THEY BE FORMED FOR PERDITION?

The only way is if God lets them be,freeing them to their desires.No more trying to convince,in that sense he "hardens their heart".

shafsha said...

James said:
{Why do Christians serve a "circumcised" God?}

cause imagine if the same God who ordered his followers to do circumcision appeared to them in the form of man and was not circumcised , this makes him like putting a burden on people that he himself wouldnt do ...

You know when muhammed married more than 4, we question his Allah, why does muhammed didnt listen to your words and just married four, meanwhile he is the perfect example...

so we wouldnt question such a question if he followed his Allah's law, however we would just ask our same question, why Allah allowed 4 women to a man ?!

applying same concept to what u said, I dont think your question is a calid question, cause God ordered Jews to circumsices , and when he appeared in the form of man form the generation of the Jews he followed the rules ...

may be you have to reform your question to elaborate more on any other specific point that you have in mind

thanks

Apollos26 said...

@Fernando:

I agreee with you, when you say that this is not the forum to discuss this topic. I just wanted to make clear that the conceot of "free will" was never a dogma in the early church. It began with the heresy of Pelagius and after that, thousand years later with Jacobus Arminius.

I just wanted to make clear that christians can't argument with free will against muslims, because it is not an established fact. We should stick to the clear teachings of the church and that is the deity of christ, his death, ressurrection and atonement for the sins for many.

Matthew 20:28


"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

John 1:12-13

12.Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13.children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

The ost important part is verse 13. As mentioned before, I agree with Fernando not to make a debate or discussion about this topic here on the forum, but I wanted to be clear.

God bless you all and guide you in/with His spirit.

Apollos26 said...

@minoria:

I absolutley agree with you, that man has a will against God. The thing is, he can say NO, but not YES to God. It sounds strange but that is the fact. Man is totally depraved and from his nature he doesn't know what good is, so a holy God can't be understood or seen by the human flesh unless the holy spirit reveals it to you. I think we shouldn't play the lawyer for God, to push him in a position that we think makes him a fair God. His thoughts are not ours and His ways are not our ways. Luther and all the other great reformers clearly rejected the concept of free will and the best resource to do so is the bible. Ok, enough was said, let's continue with the topic of islam;)

CharlieR said...

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CharlieR said...

Apollos 26,
I do not appreciate being called a heretic. Your language is both strong and insulting. You make such a claim based on your interpretation of Scripture which many disagree with. You equate arminian beliefs with those of Pelagius which is either a purposeful misrepresentation or out of ignorance. Tone it down just a notch please.
Most apologist i have listened to do employ free will as part of their ammunition. I am not saying complete free will as only God has that. This subject is much too complicated to go into here and i dont think this is the major concern of this website.
Although i guess i would be interested to know if the owners David and Nabeel do consider arminians heretics also. I certainly would not want to be here if that is the case.

AikiLady said...

I would like to see the differences between Jesus' and Mohammads ascendence into heaven. How and why are they different and which one proves or disproves divinity. While addressing one of Satans temptations of Jesus while he was in the desert for 40 days where Satan said to Jesus that he could forgo dying on the cross to get to heavan. And comparing to the Islamic claim that Jesus did not die on the cross but still ascended to heavan.

Apollos26 said...

@CharlieR:

1.) I am not interested in a quarrel.

2.) Nobody called you a heretic, please don't put false words in my mouth.

3.) I called the idea of free will to be a heresy, that is a big difference between calling somebody a heretic. So please distinguish.

4.) It is not my interpretaion of scripture because the bible is extremly very clear on this and all I need is to read out loud what it sais.

5.) I don't know your apologists, but on this topic they are totally wrong. William Lane Craig, Norman Geisler etc. I recommend you to read James R. White's book "The potter's freedom"

6.) the great churchfathers rejected free will and so did the great reformers.

7.) I didn't use any strong or insulting wording. I apologize when I did wrong, but in this case I haven't done anything bad.

8.) If you mean by free will, that I can decide what to eat, what to wear, what to watch, what to say etc. then with this ind of free will I can totally agree, but if you tell me that in my total depravity I can choose God, than I have to reject it totally.

2 Thessalonians 2:13

So please, enugh is said. There are diferent positions, let's go back to the topic of islam.

God bless,

A

Fernando said...

Hi AikiLady...

glad to see you arounde here... I made a jump onto your blogg... You are a fan of Aikido... good to know thate... I hoppe you can jump around this blogg sometimes in the future... may God bless you and your family...

characterbuilder said...

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minoria said...

Hello Apollos:

I am beginning to see your point of view.I know people to who I have given info over and over again about the evidence in favor of Christianity,plus the arguments against it and why I think they are inadequate,etc,slowly with arguments that are easy to understand and yet the person is really NOT interested in it.

IMAGINARY EXAMPLE

Suppose you know an atheist and say that the MATHEMATICAL probability that LIFE should have appeared were 1 x 10 (to the 50th power).

SO?

So there should be NO LIFE here at all.It was mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for life to appear at all,scientists agree.Yet there is life.How to explain it.Well,that shows there is good reason to believe in a God.

But there are people who hear this plus more and more info and they just don't care.They shrug their shoulders as if such really IMPORTANT info were superficial,trivial.

CharlieR said...

Apollos,
Reading your post tells me you dont know what arminian taught on total depravity.
So let me just say we disagree on one major thing at least. You believe that God is not responsible for what he ordains and I believe that God is not able to sin Heb 6:18. For you to believe the same you have to call it a mystery.

Fernando said...

I still think we shoulde not be debatting these thinhs in this blogg... there are many onther places in the NET where thate can be done...

I do believe thate all off us do believe that human nature has been hurt due to the sin off the origins... did that sin corrupted all our nature? yes it did... did that all corrupted nature become incapable off chosing totally -- I repeat: totally -- God withoute His help? I do think so... butt does have man an onthological orientation to God, due to the fact he has been made at his image and likenees, thate sin cannot eliminate? I do think so... can man operate this orientation to God without His grace? I do not think so, butt I do nott think thate "grace" is an extrinsic thing totally separated from "nature": we are created in and by God's grace... is this onthological grace communicated only to some persons? I do nott think so... Does God choose to whome He communicates His grace? I do think so: he choses to communicate this onthological grace, thate cannot be destroied by human's sin (is man stronger than God's omnipotence?) to every man... Is the redemption grace different from this onthological grace? I do think its complementary to it, butt since "grace" is the personal comunication off God, I do think they cannot be totally different... is the redemption grace communicated to some and notv to others? well, my previous answer gives an hint on my thought... is someone is only acting due to God and iff thate "someone" sins, who's the primary responsable to this sin? Iff someone does not say "yes" to God in a specific situation where thate "yes" should be given, is he not sinning? about church fathers... either we accept them, or not... they are a bunch off more or less instruvted persons thate, as James White saide, sometimes are correct and other times are nott and its very difficult to find a topic where everyone agrees on... and where was the currente "original sin" before Augustin?

well... this all is juste to reiterate thate we should nott be debating this topic here... the Bible is very crear thate we are placed on a mistery... some off us consider more important some aspect off thate overwhelming mistery; other do consider another aspect... butt do we all agree on whate is essential? I do think so: we have been all saved by the personn off Jesus Christ, true God and true man, thate communicated His redemptive grace so we can respond in gratitude to it by our faith and doing good works, not to gain meritts, butt to testify His love... can we, now, please, putt a rock over this toppic?

May God help us all...

Fernando said...

I still think we shoulde not be debatting these thinhs in this blogg... there are many onther places in the NET where thate can be done...

I do believe thate all off us do believe that human nature has been hurt due to the sin off the origins... did that sin corrupted all our nature? yes it did... did that all corrupted nature become incapable off chosing totally -- I repeat: totally -- God withoute His help? I do think so... butt does have man an onthological orientation to God, due to the fact he has been made at his image and likenees, thate sin cannot eliminate? I do think so... can man operate this orientation to God without His grace? I do not think so, butt I do nott think thate "grace" is an extrinsic thing totally separated from "nature": we are created in and by God's grace... is this onthological grace communicated only to some persons? I do nott think so... Does God choose to whome He communicates His grace? I do think so: he choses to communicate this onthological grace, thate cannot be destroied by human's sin (is man stronger than God's omnipotence?) to every man... Is the redemption grace different from this onthological grace? I do think its complementary to it, butt since "grace" is the personal comunication off God, I do think they cannot be totally different... is the redemption grace communicated to some and notv to others? well, my previous answer gives an hint on my thought... is someone is only acting due to God and iff thate "someone" sins, who's the primary responsable to this sin? Iff someone does not say "yes" to God in a specific situation where thate "yes" should be given, is he not sinning? about church fathers... either we accept them, or not... they are a bunch off more or less instruvted persons thate, as James White saide, sometimes are correct and other times are nott and its very difficult to find a topic where everyone agrees on... and where was the currente "original sin" before Augustin?

well... this all is juste to reiterate thate we should nott be debating this topic here... the Bible is very crear thate we are placed on a mistery... some off us consider more important some aspect off thate overwhelming mistery; other do consider another aspect... butt do we all agree on whate is essential? I do think so: we have been all saved by the personn off Jesus Christ, true God and true man, thate communicated His redemptive grace so we can respond in gratitude to it by our faith and doing good works, not to gain meritts, butt to testify His love... can we, now, please, putt a rock over this toppic?

May God help us all...

Apollos26 said...

CharlieR,

it isn't a matter of understanding Arminius position on depravitiy, but his concept of free will. We both agree that we totally disagree on this;)

God is not the author of confusion and HE as you rightly belief can not lie or sin, that's why we should accept that there are mysteries and not for everything an answer. No matter what God does, it is right, even if in OUR mindset it seems to be unfair etc.

It is not about us, but about the Glory of God. He is the only one who can say "I am". Free will in a way denies this. As long as you say "I want, I..." you dispossess God of his holyness. That's why I have to reject this concept of free will.

Ok, but really, this is the last time I will talk about this topic. We are in a blog, that dedicates it's time and effort to answer islam, so let's do that.

Blessings,

Apollos

CharlieR said...

I will certainly agree this blog isnt the place for discussing and or debating this issue, the only reason i got involved was the usage of the word heresy which i considered serious.
To any I have offended I apologize ask forgiveness.
Psalms 119:108 (ESV) Accept my freewill offerings of praise, O Lord, and teach me your rules.

Blessings, Charlie

recreation_man said...

http://www.miracleofkaaba.com/english_trailer.htm

The Golden Mean. Islamic Miracle.

David, I saw one of your debates, you actually come across like a nice guy you know, it is a breath of fresh air.
Can you talk to Sam Shamoun and make him more respectful towards others....please?

Tell us your thoughts on the Golden Mean Miracle of the Qur'an.

Rock48 said...

DAVID and SAM. I have a topic in mind.

WHY BIBLE IS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES or COMMUNITIES?

IF ISLAM IS A WORD OF GOD, WHY MUSLIMS ARE AFRAID OF THE TEACHINGS IN THE BIBLE? If they Muslims knew that other religions cannot stand in ISLAM.

Hopefully, SHIEKS and MUSLIM SCHOLARS can make debate with this topic.

Rock48 said...

DAVID and SAM. I would like to make a topic in your program.


WHY BIBLE IS NOT ALLOWED IN ANY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES or COMMUNITIES?

IF ISLAM IS A WORD OF GOD MUSLIMS SAY, WHY MUSLIMS ARE SO AFRAID OF HAVING A BIBLE IN THIER COMMUNITIES?


Thank you in advance....
Keep up the good work and GOD BLESS!!!!

Fernando said...

Hi Rock48... glade, very glade to see you arounde this God blessed blogg... and whate a start from you! almost a stereo post... hahaha... may God bless you and your family...

recreation_man said...

Islam and the Golden Mean - Discuss this.

minoria said...

Hello Charlie:

I don't think you offended anybody and I thought your questions were ok.I will be direct in that there are aspects of theology that are unknown to me like the ideas of the Arminians,though I have some knowledge of the JANSENISTS.But I always like to suggest new books.I have suggested him before,the book WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY by DINESH D'SOUZA.It is written for ATHEISTS.

He is an Indian Christian and also now a US citizen(he came to the US at 17 and has no accent at all).

LATEST BOOK

His second book on religion is LIFE AFTER DEATH:THE EVIDENCE.I think it is also for atheists.Concerning Islam,I don't agree with his views,he is in denial mode,but nobody is perfect.

CharlieR said...

Minoria
Thank you

Fernando said...

Hi CharlieR...

I also do not think you offended anybody... everyone arounde here, I guess, do believe thate we have freedom, but also thate thate freedom is so conditioned by the "amartosphere" in which we live thate without God's help is almost ("totally", woulde some say) impossible to say "yes" to love...

butt since we all here showned to eache other thate we do love everyone, then I guess God's grace is supporting our actions...

God bless you and your familie...

CharlieR said...

Thank you Fernando,
well said and appreciated, God bless all and their families
Charlie