Hi guys, how you are going to justify these versus from holly Bible.I kings:1:1 Now king David was old and stricken in years; and they covered him with clothes, but he gat no heat.1:2 Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat.1:3 So they sought for a fair damsel throughout all the coasts of Israel, and found Abishag a Shunammite, and brought her to the king.
David, is it possible to post here the clip of the Gaza mass-wedding which pastor (was it Joseph) showed in the Abn Show?
Islam is truly the religion of animal instincts. As soon as a little girl has her menses, she is eligible to have sex with. That is exactly how animals work. As soon as a female is in heat, the males will jump on them. And I keep challenging Muslims on this: What is the proof that Aisha had her menses at 9? What source are Muslims appealing to when they claim that? The fact that Muslims keep making this claim without anything to support their assertion is a stunning admission that they themselves, deep inside, know that it is shameful for a man to have sex with a girl as young as Aisha, but for some reason they are reluctant to condemn their prophet (which they should!) and give up their faith. So to hide Muhammad’s shame and keep the scam of Islam going, they make up another lie to cover up that shameful act of their prophet.Nakdimon
Ashraf,Let me answer you very quickly. Firstly, the passage is narrative and not the Mosaic. Hence this action taken by David and his associates was not in accordance with the Law of God. David is not our example of living, like e.g. Jesus is to the Christian and Muhammad is to the Muslim. Furthermore, if you read the passage you quoted in context you will notice a number of pointers that refute the idea you are proposing: Firstly, that this girl is to take for of David in his old age and care for himSecondly in verse 4 that David and this young girl did not engage in a sexual relationship:'The Girl was very beautiful; she took care of the king and waited on him, but the king had no intimate relationship with her'
Ashraf --I notice you omitted verse 4. Is this because you didn't read that far or because you're insincere/biased? I hope it's not the latter.-Nabeel
Hi ashraf... thankes for yor also entertaining Bible quizzes... did you miss verse 4 on purpose, or you justt toke this text from one anti-Christian site thate, frequentely, are written bie ignorant people?
The other day in paltalk muslims were defending Aisha and Mohamed. I not being afraid to get down in the mud said "If any of you give me your 9 year old daughter or your daugters after they has had her first period in marrage, to perfom Nikah on and have my way with I will become a muslim."I was completely shocked by the asnwer's I recieved. They called me a pervert and a PEDAPHILE. Can you blelieve that a Pedaphile. LOLNo just to let you know had anyone of said "Sure" I would of went to the FBI. But the point is they called me a pedaphile.
Comments like the one left by ashraf leave me feeling such sadness for the Muslim mind (or apparent lack of one). Muhammad was a vile, filthy reprobate, indulging in any sin he wanted. Ashraf, the true God never, EVER, used an unrepentant sinner as a messenger. The true God does NOT turn sin into sunnah. The true God is completely Holy, never accepting any filthy behavior as an act of worship. He judges and disciplines his servants. That's one proof of our adoption; He will take sleep from our eyes, if that's what it takes to get our repentance. If you really study the OT, Ashraf - and I pray you will - you will see how a Holy God deals not only with sin, but with the enemies of Israel. Islam is an enemy of Israel, and judgment is coming as surely as the sun is in the sky. Please, please wake up and use your mind. An eternity in hell awaits all who rebel against YHWH. Allah is NOT any god, but merely Muhammad's personal valet, waiting in the wings to do Muhammad's bidding, no matter how coarse and degenerate. Muhammad's eternity will be in hell; please do not follow him there.
Oddly enough, this popped up on another blog I read: http://ilovehishmatheblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/was-it-for-lust-answer-about-wives-of.htmlRead the comments and be amazed that women would seriously advocate child marriages. I've never figured out just why any mother or any woman would agree to this type of behavior. It makes my skin crawl just to think about it.
All, This topic is covered in great details at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm. There is no minimum age number for marriage in Islam. The determination and the allowance for any individual (male or female) to marry is conditional. The following conditions are straight from the Glorious Quran: 1- The person "balagha ashudduh" has reached the age of physical strength. This obviously varies from person to person. A 9 or 10-year old girl might be ready for marriage, while a 14-year old might not. 2- The person (male and female) is not "tifl" (child). Again, this is more of a mental condition and it too varies from person to person. 3- The females have become "FATAYA" (young ladies or young females or young teenage females, or young women). So a female who is still a child and not a fatah (singlular of fataya) is not permitted to get married. 4- The males have reached the age of "hulum". Hulum means had an ejaculation of semen either while awake or during sleep. Boys before this stage are also not permitted to get married, in Islam. So again, there is no number of minimum age in Islam, nor is the female having her first period a condition. Osama Abdallahwww.answering-christianity.com
In the link that I gave above, http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm, you'll also find that Mary was as young as 11 when she married 99-year old Joseph. Also, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/audio_rebuttals.htm to see detailed rebuttals to Sam Shamoun on thighing Aisha and other points. And while you're at it, please also visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links to see rebuttals to the many lies against Islam on this topic and other topics. Osama Abdallahwww.answering-christianity.com
All, There is also ample new evidence, which I linked in the link above, that proves that our Mother in Islam, Aisha, was 18 years old. But even if we assume that she was 6 when the Prophet married her and 9 when he actually consummated the marriage, this still doesn't mean that young baby girls could be married off. I've already given the Quranic quotes that clearly and indesputably prove that BOTH THE MALE AND FEMALE HAVE TO BE mentally, physically and socially ready for marriage. If our mother Aisha was indeed 6 and 9 and not 18, then my simple answer to this is: 1- She was both physically and mentally grown and ready for marriage. At the age of 9 her marriage was consummated, and she lived with the Prophet for a period of less than 10 years. Yet, thousands of Hadiths (Sayings) of the Prophet are narrated on her tongue. She with the evidence that we have, she appears to be quite grown up and very intelligent and smart; well above her age. 2- The marriage happened during the early days of Islam. Aisha was the Prophet's second wife. His first wife, Khadijah, had died. The Noble Verses that I gave came much later, and hence they are the Law that must be followed. So for instance, if you have a child that is mentally slow and is behind on many things (speech, intelligence, and other things) when compared to kids his/her age, then that child IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE GET MARRIED according to Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran. Plain and simple. It is not about being a brainless robot in following the example of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. It is rather about knowing the Glorious Quran and knowing the conditions and the timing that the Prophet did on certain things. The Prophet's marriage with young Aisha is not an excuse today to marry your young daughter off. Today's life is much much more complex and demanding than back then. If you know Allah Almighty's Commands very well from the Glorious Quran, then you would easily see that Allah Almighty forbids such marriages because they jeaperdize the couple and put them in social and financial danger in life today. LIFE TODAY IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX and requires more advanced people in age and mentality to handle it. Today, if you have less than a Bachelor Degree you would considered less educated! The world today is completely different! Muslims, especially those who brag about how much they follow the Sunnah (ways) of the Prophet, should not be like brainless robots! The Sunnah, while it must be cherished and followed, is not for all times and all places. There are many places where the Sunnah can not be applied (Ex: How should I clean myself after extracting feces? The Prophet used clean rocks for our modern-day toilet papers. SO SHOULD I TOO USE ROCKS?? The same goes with our modern-day SHAMPOOS, SOAPS, COLOGNES, CARS, CELL PHONES, COMPUTERS, INTERNET, TV, RADIO and on and on...) Read the Glorious Quran and see how our Holy Book is truly for all times and all ages and all situations. All Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone. Osama Abdallahwww.answering-christianity.com
Oh man... ounce again the myth of Mary being 11 an Joseph being 99... Osama: no, Mary was at least 16 years old as I crealy stated before: nowhere in the NT it refears to Mary's parents in relation to her engagement/marriage with Joseph and a girld would only be hable to do thate without the intervention off her parenst after the 16th birthday...you also saide: There is also ample new evidence, which I linked in the link above, that proves that our Mother in Islam, Aisha, was 18 years old... Osama: this are spureious accounts invented many centuries after the most reliable sorces of islam... to sad iff you don't seem to grasp this...p.s.: no where a 9 years old can be mentally, physically and socially ready for marriage... not eben muhammad, who was 54 years old, was mentally, physically and socially ready for marriage: he suffered from delusion thate made him beliebe he was possessed; he suffered from pshychosomatic problems thate made him want to kill himself and he was a misantrop willing to kill everyone who did not agree withe him...
ASHRAF laandiya! I know, Laandiyas will never come out of the spell of your Sexoholic prophet muhamMAD.Our Holy Scripture collections are in narrative format, unlike your confusing Quran. I love the honest of the Bible, readable literature and with deep details, to describe such historic events. Our Bible DESCRIBES but your quran PRESCRIBES ……Hence there so many real life incidents. Your old muslims men come to India and Pakistan to marry children. So ashraf Laandiya, these days Pakistani and Indian laws are very strict, you can tell your men to fly to Bangladesh to get their Child bride. But be careful of American and Brits they will grind your Cutelas.
To Osama Abdullah:I'm orthodox christian.In ortodox christian tradition we believe that Mary was 16 and indeed that Joseph was older than her.But we also believe that hey never had sexual relations after the birth of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.Also he took Mary as his wife because Angel of God told him to do so.So that's way different that what Muhammad did.Paul.
Brother Adam saide: «Our Bible DESCRIBES but your quran PRESCRIBES»... absolutelly correcte... and habe you thought thate no Christian source presents the person off Jesus as a bad moral example while in muslim sorces muhammad is everything except a moral example? you alsi saide: «Hence there so many real life incidents. Your old muslims men come to India and Pakistan to marry children»... not to speak the many thousand off poor muslim girls thate are taken to that pagan practice caled the Hajj never to return home because they were kidnapped and/or sold to rich muslim tirans...
hey ashraf, did watch the video that i gave u the link to or were u just blowing hot air? u said u wanted to know about the connection between islam and catholicism...imo, there's a lot of evidence to demonstrate that catholicism maybe behind islam
Brother leviMichael said: «there's a lot of evidence to demonstrate that catholicism maybe behind islam»...ounce agin: how strange tos ee Christians demonize other Christians... is thate the spirit off Christ opperating on this matters? Is this the proper place to speak aboutt thate? I do not think so... butt then: do Catholics believe thate Jesus, perfect man and perfect God, is our only redeamer and saviour? I do think so... do Islam beliebe in such things? No it does not... so: I must say it's berie starnge to me to see thate Catholicism is bhind islam in whatesoever aspect... butt I might be wrong... am i, brother leviMichael?
Hi,I hope all is well.I will try to respond to some of the errors in the video made by Wood and Shamoun.Please look into their claims raher than accepting them blindly.My response will, hopefully, be in the form of a video (and article) and I will attach it to the video on youtube. Insha'Allah.ThanksMay Allah help us all and guide us. I hope you all have a nice day too.Peace
Fernando said... Hi ashraf... thankes for yor also entertaining Bible quizzes... did you miss verse 4 on purpose, or you justt toke this text from one anti-Christian site thate, frequentely, are written bie ignorant people?Hi Kabayaan,i agree with you. But when you quote or talk islamic scripture please apply the same standard don't pick just what you need.okAdam said... ASHRAF laandiya! I know, Laandiyas will never come out of the spell of your Sexoholic prophet muhamMAD.Hi Adam Launde, please read our prophet's biography with open mind and you can find him until the age of 50s he didn't get married with another women.so tell me if he is sexholic is it possible? in reply bachu you can find plenty of porno stories in your holly book so pls don't show to your kids.by the way adam you are from which part of india buddy.
AshrafIf the quran had context we would quote it as so but seeing how it doesn't then we must take what it say. Plus this guy called and admited Islam allows it. I notice you forgot verse 4 you must have had the 72 virgins on your mind and you were thinking of sex. Get right with God accept Jesus before its to late.
Oh ashraf I forgot 1 thing even if you find instances of this sort in the Old testament, you must remember.1. It was not condoned by God.2. It is no longer being practiced and is illegal in western (civilized) world.
Master Phase said... Oh ashraf I forgot 1 thing even if you find instances of this sort in the Old testament, you must remember.1. It was not condoned by God.2. It is no longer being practiced and is illegal in western (civilized) world.Hi good master, regarding your 2nd point i think you are kidding.
To asharaf:Khadijah was a wealthy woman and the Prophet was a poor employee of her. Marrying a wealthy woman for him was climbing the ladder of social status. At that age, he was an orphan boy with little ambitions. Being a poor young man, no one paid attention to him. Kadijah was to him a boon. She gave him the comfort and the ease of mind from financial worries. Now he could afford to retreat to his cave and let his imagination fly; meet Jinns, battle with Satan, converse with Gabriel, and other creatures that haunted his feeble mind. The fact that he remained faithful to Khadijah was not due to his chastity or loyalty but because she was a powerful woman and would not have tolerated infidelity from him. At that time Muhammad had no followers and he would have lost everything if he had offended his wealthy wife. That would have destroyed him completely. However, he showed his true colors when he came to power and virtually nothing could stop him from doing what he pleased. It was then that he broke all the norms of the decency by the leave of his Allah.That's the moment he became a sexoholic.Paul.
ASHRAF True God is the one who reveals the secret sin of each n everyone & a false God will hide it n never expose. what the Spirit says "you people can do utter and vulgar things secretly even worse than what quoted, but the problem is when I proclaim it publicly?" Is it a double standard? people can do dirty things, but don't say? Yes..Finally..true God will speak the truth..but false God hide it n think it is shame? what shame my brother? be open to accept the character of true God not a false God. Our children, families; our mother or sisters doesn't have any problem or shame to read it, instead leads us to fear true God more n His attributes. So accept the true God who reveals the secret works of all people instead a false teachings that such verses leads to shame for 'God & His people' even though they are doing such dirty works secretly. Again I say Our Holy Scriptures are in narrative format, unlike your confusing Quran. I love the honesty of the Bible, a readable literature and with deep details, to describe such historic events. Our Bible DESCRIBES but your quran PRESCRIBES about muhamMadThe infamous sexOholic muhamMad prophet of islam in his 30 & 40s was nobody, hence nothing about his filthy life was recorded. but never know, prophet muhamMad the pervert must have visited brothels, as he was on his camel tours.
I have responded to this video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeVk7iOBOGc
Yahya, you call that a reply? man, I pray you call in instead of Osama since I can't wait to hear your voice when Shamoun and Wood school you and prove that Islam is the religion of molesting minors. I will pay for your call if you promise to muster the courage to call in. You're another sad apologist who thinks he is rebutting his opponent's arguments.
To Yahya Snow:Your arguments are strange and a bit unrelated to the topic.I mean:#1. You speak of jews in the time of Jesus that were doing the same thing(marrying child brides).But nowhere you give a reference to a historical document.And then you say that David Wood and Sam S. don't attack them. Well the reason is simple: they didn't created a religion and practice it to this day. And second of all: on this blog Islam is on trial, not those dead jews with their forgot practices.#2. You go on saying that Jesus never tells anything about it, or that He actually approved it. Please give me your Bible text for it.And more: Jesus never spoke about abortion or homosexuals, yet in Judaism and Christianity they were always considered sins.In the book "The 12 apostles teaching"(believed to have been wrote in first century) abortation was condamed as a sin.This proving that Jesus might haven't spoke about the topic, but the early church did it.Plus Jesus when speaks about marriage, he speaks of woman and man, not boys and girls.Paul.
Yahya Snow said...I have responded to this video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeVk7iOBOGcOctober 16, 2009 5:06 PMubiquitouserendipity says: pfffffttttt... just spattered my monitor with tea. john snow,,, you obviously have no idea what constitutes an argument. if you think fallacy and lie filled blather qualifies as argumentation and refutation, it logically follows that you would think that some 7th century bedouin pedophile who was obviously demon beset would qualify as a prophet. if that is what you call refutation, carry on dude, this could get hilarious.first you start with a claim that no one has made: "there is no rule in islam teaching us that girls must get married at the onset of puberty." that's a straw man, and a misrepresentation of what has been argued. what you are trying to accomplish is to poison the minds of your spiritually dumb audience to the presenters, and their offerings. you are deceitful. if you can't even represent their arguments, then you obviously are a fool for trying to refute them. your cheap attempt at sensationalizing and ridiculing sam and david shows you for what you are: lost. it's obvious that apologetics isn't for you. john snow, may the G_d of eternity, Hashem Adonai, bless your heart, and open your eyes, that you may believe, and see, and come to His Son Jesus, Who died for you. Peace, in His love, papajoe
John Snow from London (has this student off compared religions been recieving Gert Wilders withe signes invitting him to be killed?) aide:I have responded to this video here: [...]and here's a possible response too this ridiculous attempt to defend the indefensable (this baby is almost the same age poor baby Aisha was when she was forced to get married with muhammad):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qau-blonzsY
Ashraf Bhai, I am from Mumbai (Bombay) India...The same city you True muslim love attacking.Our Bible DESCRIBES but your quran PRESCRIBES ……Hence there so many real life incidents. Your old muslims men come to India and Pakistan to marry children....and the list goes on....and.............on................................80-year-old Arab buys Indian bride for Rs 10 khttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1422414,prtpage-1.cmsRescued child bride set to start a new lifehttp://www.rediff.com/news/2003/may/17ameena.htmNew garb to exploitation of child brides http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/18/stories/2004011804390600.htmWealthy 92-year-old Saudi man banned from marrying child bridehttp://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/wealthy-92-year-old-saudi-man-banned-from-marrying-child-bride_10060761.html#Protest marriages with oldies: Ameenahttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/711541.cmsGhost of sheikhs haunts city girlshttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/hyderabad/Ghost-of-sheikhs-haunts-city-girls/articleshow/433429.cmsContract marriage broker still at largehttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Hyderabad/Contract-marriage-broker-still-at-large/articleshow/1327068.cmsChild bride, 12, dies in Yemen after struggling to give birth for THREE days http://allindiadaughtersprotectionforum.blogspot.com/2009/09/child-bride-12-dies-in-yemen-after.htmlSaudi Child Bride Turned Back Over to 80-Year-Old Husbandhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543060,00.htmlOh Mother!http://www.thesundayindian.com/30082009/storyd.asp?sid=7600&pageno=1Indonesia: Cleric cleared of sex abuse over child bride http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=3.0.3876967805A mum at 11, a great grandmother at 38http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/225.htmlProphets child bride book may not be published in Britain following firebombinghttp://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports/prophets-child-bride-book-may-not-be-published-in-britain-following-firebombing_100102604.html
Regarding the theme of abortion brought up by Paul I read recently that in 2003 there were 41.5 million abortions in the world,of who 19 million were illegal.Plus 70,000 women dead due to illegal abortions.And that in 1995 it was 45 million.I didn't know it was so high.I thought at most it was a few million per year but not more than 40 million.I assume there have been about 900 MILLION abortions since the 70's or in 40 years.I had stated before that till around 200 years ago most people died as children...so they are in heaven.But I never imagined some 1 billion would go to heaven even BEFORE being born.Making abortion illegal would not stop the practice but only following Jesus.
Mr.Paul Guralivu i read your comments, please tell me honestly does it make any sense? Adam said:"Our children, families; our mother or sisters doesn't have any problem or shame to read it"i believe this is the reason it reflects in your(christians) lifestyle in the west. Adam bhai if you are showing individual mistakes of muslims then i have same type of stories of your priests,pastors,bishops ans reverends all over the world.so please give me your mail ID so i can send you full articles.let's see what your holly spirit is doing with them.
plz visit historical centresTHERE U WILL EVEN GET ARTICLES THATAISHA(MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH HIM) WAS 19-21 YEARS OLDWHEN SHE MARRIED OUR PROPHET AND YOUR PROPHET."Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."BIBLE MAY CHANGE FROM THIS LANGUAGE TO THAT LANGUAGEBUT TRUTH REMAINS WAT MORE WILL U IGNORE JUST B'COZ AISHA WAS MARRIED TWICE,HER AGE COULD BE THAT.IT IS OF CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS.1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). I & MY MUSLIM BROTHERS HAVE ANSWERED EXCELLENTLY TO ALL YOUR ALLEGATIONS BUT U HAVE NOT TOUCHED OUR ALLEGATIONS
You will also see examples of Prophets sleeping with their neighbor's wives, such as the following:David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home." This Holy Figure in the Bible is a pervert!. So what happened to "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"????How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law? Yet, the Jews use his star as their holy symbol; the David Star, and the Christians call Jesus his son; "Son of David".It seems to me quite clearly that the Bible is nothing but a compromised corrupted Book as Jeremiah 8:8, 2 Samuel 11:2-4 and Leviticus 20:10 suggest.If the strong eats the weak in the Bible, then what moral and wisdom are we to learn from this book?
- What about the Bible's Prophets' marriages?When we read the Bible, we learn about some Prophets marrying many wives, even hundreds of wives in some cases. Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament:In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married. Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus. Mary had already been "BETROTHED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer"."....it is possible that Mary gave birth to her Son when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age...." (Source) 11- Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary! Was he too a pedophile?"When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and hadsix children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place."
Aisha in Islam:Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!First of all, it is important to know:Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:1. People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 . So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.2. Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.The pedophilia in the bible was quite different, because girls were raped at 3-years of age by Moses and his men.Also, in Exodus 21:7-11 as further elaborated on below, girls were sold off as slave girls by their own fathers to other men. So most certainly, no one is qualified to call the Prophet of Islam a pedophile!Mr. Sam Shamoun of "Answering Islam" even admits that his grandmother was 12 when she got married:I was told that Aisha was already engaged to a non Muslim man named Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. Back then, the people of Mecca did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jober because she was physically big enough and tall enough to be considered for marriage. Her parents saw that and they engaged her to Jober.
To ashraf:I'm amazed. What doesn't make sense ?That Muhammad was nice guy and preached moderatly as long as his first wife lived. But IMMEDIATELY after she dies, in less than 3-5 years she married almost 8-9 women.Only 2 of them where widows and married them for taking care of them.The rest of them were preteen, or divorced on his(Muhammad) demand, or were beautiful virgins.And the reason is clear: His first wife gave a orphan guy social status, wealth. He was faithful(main reason: she could take those things from him), but after her dead he goes wild.As for my answer to Yahya:again the jews he speaks of(that were marrying child brides) didn't create a religion and left a holy tradition with this practice(as we can see in Sunnah and in Islam to this very day).So ya, it does make sense.Paul.
Dear Ashraf Bhai, Thank you for your thoughts. Once again I want to inform you Our holy scriptures Describes on the other hand your Quran Prescribes. I like the honesty of the Bible which records such incidents and condemns it as Sin. So that the readers understand this act is sinful. Hence our children, families, our mother or sisters have any problem or shame to read it. To this you said “i believe this is the reason it reflects in your (christians) lifestyle in the west.” First I’ll like to tell you. Western World does not represent Christianity. Form the very beginning We Indian and Pakistani Christians don’t identify with the west, though we are falsely accused as western agents by Islamic and Hindu extremists. Any ways, I have met many Westerners Who had biblical names but not interested in Christianity and I also met westerner with deep Christian belief and values. Now coming back to Islamic lifestyle, hear in India every third Rapist is a muslim, Muslims are involved in all kind of Crimes eg: Drug peddlers, Drug mafia, terrorist, Contract Killers, Human trafficking, Extortion, import and export of illegal substance, Forced prostitution especially of Bangladeshi muslim girls etc etc…You said “i have same type of stories of your priests,pastors,bishops ans reverends all over the world.”I too have many stories in India of Catholic priests molesting choir girls, altar boys, Pastors have extra martial affair, Priest having sexual relationships with Nuns. To such incidents We Church Parishners condemn it and also take action against such people. But I also have many such stories of Hafizs (Islamic teachers) Madarassa (Islamic schools) molesting children in India. The sad part is these men walk freely or made to marry.If you encounter such people (Christians), if we ask them if they inspired by Holy Spirit. These men and women, would put their head down with shame. On the other hand Muslim sinners use their Quran and Mullas to defend themselves. Even in the secular court of Law. You said: “you are showing individual mistakes of muslims”Whatever I had highlighted, seem to be an individual mistakes of muslims. But these individual muslim live freely in our society. Because islam supports them. Hence these criminal acts (acc to court of Law) or sinful acts (acc to Christianity) are supported by muslim community. Warning non muslim not to interfere in your religious matters.This what our Bible say about the so called holy people : “Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)”.
I doubt most religions need debates and fatwas on paedophilia.
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