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May 9th, 2009
Coastal Community Church
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Opening Statements
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Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Is the Qur'an Miraculous? Abdallah vs. Qureshi
Osama Abdallah vs. Nabeel Qureshi
May 9th, 2009
Coastal Community Church
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Opening Statements
Rebuttals
Crossfires and Conclusion
May 9th, 2009
Coastal Community Church
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Opening Statements
Rebuttals
Crossfires and Conclusion
32 comments:
Well... in thse videos our friend Ousama Abdallah seames less borderliner... I hope, and I'll pray, he'll keep his momentum to other dimentions off his life...
Doctor Nabeel: another good set of arguments; eben when I think Ousama's (traditional) points are very disapointing...
God bless!!!
Dr Nabeel another great presentation. I love the whole medical analogy part.
My favorite quote from Osama when commenting in the Cross X on the sperm between the back bone and the ribs.
"Im not a doctor"
Well evidently niehter was Allah or Mohamed for that matter.
His whole argument that if he breaks his back he wouldnt be able to have children. Sorry Osama, with modern medicine, the mans participation in the creation of a baby is optional. Not to get to graphic but not only is it possible to extract sperm from a parapalagic, it is also possible to extract from a patient who is comotos. Not only is it possible but it is done.
Nabeel, is it just me or did Osama threaten you in his closing? Quoting the quran saysing Allah will smite the liar in the forhead.
I dont understand what he was talking about. How could mohamed know what that allah would smite liars in the forhead? Some how he made the speculation that since allah will smite you in the forhead and cognitive thought is produces in the frontal loabs that this is a miracle?
Thank God Osama Abdallah represents Islam and not Christianity.
"Thank God Osama Abdallah represents Islam and not Christianity."
Indeed, Ameen. Thank GOD Almighty that I am a Muslim and I humbly and sincerely pray to Allah Almighty to die a Muslim. Ameen!
Osama Abdallah said...
"Indeed, Ameen. Thank GOD Almighty that I am a Muslim and I humbly and sincerely pray to Allah Almighty to die a Muslim. Ameen!"
Osama, unless you believe that Jesus is I AM, you will die in your sins.
Osama abdullah,
With all duo respect, but don't you think you should come up with more convincing arguments?
You are using the same (weak) arguments in this debate that you use on your site.
May the Lord of lords and King of kings open your eyes to make you look at these árguments' the same way the rest off us do. Namely tottaly inconsistent, inaccurate and blantly ignorant.
BTW. I don't believe you want to die as a muslim cause according to Surat imran 185 and surat maryam 71all muslims will taste Hell.
It is even recorded in the Qur'an that muhammad wasn't sure about his destiny ( surat 46:9 and in sahih bukhari)
Yet the Qur'an attest to the example muhammad (surat 33;21)
So the 'best example' of humankind doesn't have any insurrence!!
Think again en consider the scriptures before mqaking wishes Osama.
Osama Abdallah... glade to see you around here agains... let's hoppe these time youre participation will be more lasting. We all would be pleasede withe that. God bless you.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Osama say something like the Qur'an being miraculas is his biggest reason for being a muslim and if someone could refute the miraculous nature of the Qur'an, he would leave islam?
I wonder if he would care to recant that statement.
Not "if someone could refute that statement" but rather "If someone can show Osama that the statement has been refuted."
The first one has been done over and over again, the second one is impossible.
Osama apologizes for a picture of a sperm penetrating an egg as "graphic"? Has Osama read Islam's texts? Doesn't he find Muhammad's preoccupation with his genitals graphic? Graphic and boring? Graphic, boring, and OCD?
Nabeel addressed the v of where sperm is produced, and it's something that always bothered me with Muslim physicians. They know how squirrely Muhammad's explanation is, yet they are both Muslim and physician; two diametrically opposed positions.
During the rebuttal, Osama treats the sahaba's accounts, as given by Islam's early exegetes, as equivalent to the gnostic "gospels", et. al. heretical books. How did he make that leap? Sura 3.7 says he doesn't have the right to interpret the koran any old way he chooses, but must go to the early scholars of Islam. Since Osama isn't a scholarly representative - early, middle, or late - he doesn't get to rewrite and/or ignore what he can't explain. Shame on his attempted intellectual chicanery.
He also asks, "OK" with the same frequency that adolescents use the word "like", e.g., "I was like, 'no way, man, that is like not true, like you're lying". Very distracting. If his explanations were "OK", wouldn't we all be derriere up, saying something obligatory like, oh, . . . I don't know, . . . maybe like the five ritualistic prayers that Muslims blurt?
Then he lauched into Bible "contradictions" as if his Tu Quoque somehow proved the Quran is "miraculous". How desperate does that make him look?
He should have been stopped when he deviated from the debate topic. I stopped him by fast-forwarding through the rest of his dishonest screed. Shame on you, Abdallah. You have a fine example in Shabir Ally, but you meander all over your pasture of manure, pretending that you've defended your equally dishonest Koran, and refuted Nabeel's indictments against the "miraculous" nature of your book.
"Christians" are followers of Christ, first, those who saw, "That which was from the first, which has come to our ears, and which we have seen with our eyes, looking on it and touching it with our hands, about the Word of life". Christians know that we follow a sinless, holy Christ, who didn't cavort about with women (another repeated cheap-shot by a defeated Muslim). That would be the reprobate, Muhammad, who had no limits on his sexual appetite, nor was he restrained by age, or marriage, or loyalty, or anything even vaguely resembling integrity. Then Muhammad jammed words in his "allah's" mouth which made him an accomplice to the filth, even turning it into sunnah for the benighted Muslims. Osama is equally lacking in integrity, while trying to defend his indefensible death-cult.
Shame on Osama; it will likely be another few years before I allow another of his ignorant and dishonest assaults on my intellect. *BLECH*
Osama,
conclusions/closing statements are usually not intended for introducing new arguments.
This is funny. I'm listening to the Rebuttals section. Osama talks about Sahih Hadiths and rejects Tabari, etc.
But what about Mohammad being choked in the cave? That is from Sahih Al Bukhari, the most trusted Hadith collection.
So is the fact that Muhammad tried many times to kill himself.
Nabeel,
Please check out my latest update that refutes your "Between the Ribs and Breasts" point at:
Sex determination and human creation in Islam
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sex_determination.htm
Thanks,
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
I think Abdallah has many interesting points to make but he is hindered by his weak command of English so it can be frustrating listening to him as he does not articulate his points coherently...this frustration is further compounded by my belief that Abdallah has many useful and strong points to make but they get lost in his presentation...so I would suggest people view his website to gain an understanding of his views...personally I feel Abdallah should not be involving himself in oral debates and he is more useful through articles...I do get a feeling that the Christian side do capitalise on his poor articulation and thus score 'easy points'...this is not the best situation for somebody who is honestly looking for the Truth.
Yahya,
Really? I think Osama's English is very good. I was under the impression that he learned English as a small child, because even his accent is really good.
Stepher Shalom...
I am speaking relatively...so I am comparing it to the English of his opponent.
Also I think his opponent is more skilled at doing presentations
But Osama is improving and this is a new thing for him.
His writing skills are very good and you should view his site:
answering-christianity.com
Yahya Snow saide: «you should view his site»... well; thates like invitting some jew to enter a Nazi site...
Great work Nabeel, may the Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Osama had to be proud that the quran it self is full of contradictions e.g six days creation of all the heavens & earth in 10:3, 57:4, 11:7 but, it suddenly claims that all that was created in eight days 41: 9-12, well thats the biggest miracle of the quran.
Osama repeatedly emphasizes on the gosple of judas "kissing of mary", well if he mean that all that is in it is true & he do believes it then according to islam he is the biggest heretic because quran do not teach this about Lord Jesus.
My debate with David Wood about "Does the Quran contain Scientific Miracles in It?" can now be downloaded at:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_miracles_debate_osama_abdallah_vs_david_wood.wmv
I did much much better in my debate with David than in this one. Lack of debate-experience was a major factor.
Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Muslims probably love to eat goat meat because a goat ate a lot of the original manuscripts from under the pillow of Alisha's bed other than medical reasons. They are so ridiculed by those events but working hard to find cracks in the Bible. But they do not realize that Jesus is the one who overcame the world and death on the cross and our Word is eternal. It will be a waste of time!!!!!
Yahya said Osma's English is bad then corrected his englishwas bad only relatively...Whatever the case trying to defend something not defendable is an impossible task as facts will not be there to help them.They have to resort to all kinds of lies and twisting and exaggerations.When somebody does that in public not only his english but his mental stamina also start to disentegrate and that what Yahya saw there.
http://answeringchristians.blogspot.com/2010/01/dove-world-outreach-ministries-replies.html
Hey, is there any chance to see David Woods debate against Osamah entitled "is the quran miraculous"? I just downloaded the moviefile from answeringchristianity, but it is full of Osamahs comments.
Is there anywhere a chance to see it without biasing comments?
Thx.
The Qu'ran declares itself to be inspired because it is so beautiful.
So if were were to write a software program that performed a textural analysis of the Qu'ran, and was able to write surahs (software can now do this it's called Natural Language Processing). We could then see whether people can spot the ones that are supposed to be beautiful.
Oh I forgot can't do that- God only speaks Arabic.
This argument about the Qu'ran is hopelessly flawed.
H.G.Wells was a British Science Fiction writer. His books had remarkable predictions of the future such as sattelites, nuclear weapons, mass communication etc...
Has anyone been tempted to say his books were works of God? No
What about the book "the Wreck of the Titan" written in 1898? It was about a huge ocean liner on its maden voyage, remarkably similar to titanic, which sunk in 1912. The size, description of the ship, the ice-berg, lack of lifeboats, the number of passengers drown were remarkably alike the disaster 14 years later.
Has anyone been tempted to say this book was the work of God? No.
The Qu'ran is far more vague than the predictions of either of these examples. It is difficult to understand, and is open to all sorts of wild interpretation. For this reason I am amazed that anyone is convinced it contains miracles.
I had heard the same arguments as Osama's from Christians, trying to show the Bible predicted TVs, the shape of the earth... but good apologists don't resort to such desperation, we have far better reasons to believe than that.
Osama, look into Jesus. Come and join us!
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I think allah makes a big mistake by challenge his creation to produce a surah like it.
The challenge is already been answered in his own quran by Jinns.
Read surah 72 surah Al Jinn. A whole chapter created bij Jinns in quranic language.
Recited by allah...
Nabeel, great job brother. One of the things in the debate was that when Osama was talking about the semens, he mentioned something like "Sulala min 6een (teen)", and I wrote the verse down but it wasn't the verse he quoted 23;13. I am an arab and arabic is my first language. Osama, when you tried to explain that the Nutfa or Sulala was only one that caused the creation of a human being, why did you completely ignore that the verse, as I heard you say it, was saying "sulala min 6een" or sulala from Mudd, it's not even talking about sperm rather it's talking about mudd!! Also notice that all of the verses that Osama is quoting here talk about sperm but no mention of the egg that gets released from the woman. This was indeed nothing miraculous even if the quran stated it because every man could notice that he's depositing sperm into the woman to make a baby. The fact that the Quran does not even mention the egg that's released from the woman in any of the verses that talks about the subject shows the desperation of muslims to make the Quran seem miraculous. I have looked at all of the so called scientific claims of the Quran, and I could find none that are worthy even though I could read them in Arabic. On the contrary there are many errors. For example, look a t surah 88:20 where it says "Wa ela al ard kaifa sutehat" which translates literally to "and to the earth how it's flattened". While many muslim translators translate the word sutehet to "built", it's utterally wrong to translate it that way and please Osama consult your "lisan al arab dictionary" to see that sutehet indeed means flattened. There is just no way the Quran is from God. more likely from Satan and I believe it with almost 100% certainty.
Nabeel, Great job again, and I definitley think you won this debate. God definitely has his people on earth and you are one of them doing work for him. Thank you, and God bless you.
This is unbelievable. I'm watching all the videos.
Who needs reality tv when you can watch a Muslim debate?
too bad osamas power let him alone as we witnessed a drowning victim of false powers and recitations.Pearls b4 a ham.
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